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Hello Dear forum,

At dinner, my daughters were telling me about this David Icke Guy. Well it appears all the world leaders are reptilian shift shapers. This includes Hillary and George Bush. , the royal family of England and so on adinfinitum. You guys having had access to internet so much longer than me more than likely know more about this idiot.

I did watch two video of his of a young woman supposedly shift shaping into a lizard. All I saw was a happy young girl baking a cake.

However the final infinite insult came when I looked at a video of my hero Larry King, were he briefly licks his lips, they stop the video this moment with the comment “clearly not human, but a lizard” WHAT  !!! My beloved Larry a “lizard” where is my gun? I just saw Larry with his two beautiful little boys on his show.

Why do people just sit back and let this mindless idiot insult people like the honorable Larry in this appalling way?

I really think the shape-shifting lizard is this David Ike

Please don’t think I take this moron seriously but if some said I was really a lizard I would get very angry, or would  I am logging Off Quickly and going to  find the first mirror to check.

ALAN

I haven't read David Icke much, because too soon a bunch of doubts started to arise.

Was this because I was using my discrimination, or because a reptilian started to control my mind? ;)

 I'm not a fan of Icke and his info (only have read a little overall) and believe its way too fear, celebrity, and drama based, BUT at the same time i do believe there probably are Reptilian E.T.'s and in particular an unfriendly and not so positive race of same.  

 Some might say, well maybe there are friendly and unfriendly Reptilians even within the same race, just like with humans.  

 It's possible, but with the info that i've gotten more directly and pieced together from what i consider more credible sources, it seems that many, many, many other "races" are much more collectively minded that we humans are in this cycle.  

 If so, this would kind of argue against the whole, well some Reptilian E.T.'s are friendly and spiritual and some aren't, human type phenomena/pattern.   There seems to be a much greater conformity/uniformity of vibratory patterns in relation to the Reptilians and to many other E.T. groups, as compared to humans.  

 Some say there were other cycles, long forgotten in both the far past and in the future, wherein humans are much more collectively minded and telepathic as well.   Some say we, all races of Earth all once spoke a common, pure vibrationally based tongue, and its interesting some parallels which seem to relate to this.  In one of Bob Monroe's books, a guide he meets, he later says Ta Nah Sen too (a goodbye phrase from a 100, 000 years ago), and in the Cayce readings when talking about humanity during the last Golden age, mentions certain names like for example, a personality, a spiritual teacher in Ancient Egypt with the name Ra Tah (meaning Sun brought to Earth).   In any case, humanity was probably more consciously telepathic as well in some of those cycles, as well as speaking a universal, tonal based language (i believe based on math and frequency ratios/patterns, eg related to sacred geometry and the like).

 Either way, there is no nothing to fear even if there are not so human friendly Reptilian E.T.'s.  My sense, which is confirmed by Rosiland McKnight's guides, is that we are protected right now and will be until we can hold our own more fully and collectively speaking.   But as they say as well, we eventually must meet what we have attracted via our own collective negativity.   Self meeting self in "others".   The true meaning of that oft misused term, karma.  

Hey Alan, some of these politicans can be compared to as snakes, but not lizards...lol.. If shape shifting from lizard to humanoid is true, then I believe they would be the ones whom are loving and caring and not decieving and mean. Lizards are just beautiful in their hertitage and enviromental care for things. Nanner loves lizards! 1 inch - 5 inch, 15 inch or 5 feet tall, they are just beautiful!

:-)
Nanner

Alan McDougall wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2008 at 10:19am:

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :o :o :o 8-) 8-) 8-) Hello Dear forum, At dinner, my daughters were telling me about this David Icke Guy. Well it appears all the world leaders are reptilian shift shapers. This includes Hillary and George Bush. , the royal family of England and so on adinfinitum. You guys having had access to internet so much longer than me more than likely know more about this idiot. I did watch two video of his of a young woman supposedly shift shaping into a lizard. All I saw was a happy young girl baking a cake. However the final infinite insult came when I looked at a video of my hero Larry King, were he briefly licks his lips, they stop the video this moment with the comment “clearly not human, but a lizard” WHAT  !!! My beloved Larry a “lizard” where is my gun? I just saw Larry with his two beautiful little boys on his show. Why do people just sit back and let this mindless idiot insult people like the honorable Larry in this appalling way? I really think the shape-shifting lizard is this David Ike Please don’t think I take this moron seriously but if some said I was really a lizard I would get very angry, or would  I am logging Off Quickly and going to  find the first mirror to check. ALAN

Alan...how do YOU know what he says is not the truth?
Why? Because it sounds too 'Out There'?

I have found that there are at least 58 alien races outside of Earth and Reptilians are one of those races.
They are a very old race and came from another Galaxy.
They are a race of beings that the Aliens of Light are doing battle with.
I have read that certain 'Greys' are the Reptilian's clones/slaves. Other words they developed the Greys.

I would not be so quick in my judgment and name calling of someone just because YOU do not believe it.
I do know that the Clintons are higher ranking CFR members and I do not trust that organization one bit.

Here is just one Link to Reptilians: http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilians.html
Here is another: http://www.reptoids.com/

EDIT: Also on the Sumerian Clay Tablets they reference a Reptilian Race or 'Gods' of that time period.
It is worth looking into in my thinking.

EDIT TOO: A site to Sumerian Artifacts and Culture...
Link: http://www.xfacts.com/ancient/
Quite interesting...

I've read some of David Icke's books, and while I struggle with the more as you say sensationalist and 'out there' as aspects of what he has to say the broader cosmology he sets out seems pretty well figured out.

The other perspective as Nanner is getting to is that the sort of behaviour ego drives us towards is precisely what we archetypically might imagine 'reptilian' to be. As she says it's especially obvious when you get to people in positions of power who seem often to suppress their heart to get ahead.

Maybe we're giving 'reptilian' a bad press, maybe it's us it refers to. Either way I wonder if Icke might not somehow be tapping some form of guidance where perhaps 'reptilian' is only an archetype, or a symbol for egotistical behaviours; but out of some misreading is mistakenly interpreting it literally?

It'd be quite some development if he proved literally to be correct. What's interesting is that whatever it is that encouraged him to head off down that road he seems to be prepared to take plenty of heat and ridicule for it. He was quite successful in a previous life.

I suppose in the end given that it's mind and consciousness rather than physical form that matters it grinds down to the same thing, with the added spice that there's the outside potential for some sort of alien involvement as well....

I know a two girls here that believe in this guy so strong that they would probably eat children just for him. This person is no differant that any other cult leader with strong charisma. He may well have had a successful life before but you can bet hes making piles of dough off the fear he peddling now. Yes, yes ,yes their all out to get him.... You know the unfortunate thing is that there are so many willing to be led around by the nose by these kind of people. Give them money and support. When will people realize the differance between reality and a poor work of sci-fi.
Joe  

wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 11:09am:

I've read some of David Icke's books, and while I struggle with the more as you say sensationalist and 'out there' as aspects of what he has to say the broader cosmology he sets out seems pretty well figured out. The other perspective as Nanner is getting to is that the sort of behaviour ego drives us towards is precisely what we archetypically might imagine 'reptilian' to be. As she says it's especially obvious when you get to people in positions of power who seem often to suppress their heart to get ahead. Maybe we're giving 'reptilian' a bad press, maybe it's us it refers to. Either way I wonder if Icke might not somehow be tapping some form of guidance where perhaps 'reptilian' is only an archetype, or a symbol for egotistical behaviours; but out of some misreading is mistakenly interpreting it literally? It'd be quite some development if he proved literally to be correct. What's interesting is that whatever it is that encouraged him to head off down that road he seems to be prepared to take plenty of heat and ridicule for it. He was quite successful in a previous life. I suppose in the end given that it's mind and consciousness rather than physical form that matters it grinds down to the same thing, with the added spice that there's the outside potential for some sort of alien involvement as well....

 Good points Vajra, and i have thought of the above too.  It's possible that a developed sensitive, who is tapped into the archetypal realms may perceive some folks, who with such a lack of love, as reptilian in nature and super-impose that image onto those certain individuals.  Dunno, because i've never seen a person as "reptilian".

In any case, it doesn't really matter if it is literal E.T.'s and influences or more Archetypal in nature, the effect is the same, and stuckness is still stuckness.   I do lean to the more literal explanation of E.T.'s because of certain info that i've become aware of.

Unlike Icke though, i don't believe that certain people in power are literally Reptilians in disguise, because they are shape shifters or what not.  Some humans may be in league with or more so unconsciously influenced by same, and it's possible that they may have been Reptilian before themselves before coming to incarnate on Earth, but literal shape shifters i doubt.

 To "shape shift", one has to have a rather fluid and fast vibrating and high frequency vibrational pattern.    Such negative consciousnesses, would be far too material, dense, and slow vibrating in nature, to be able to do that though they may be able to manipulate the M band field more than the average human.  

I have to agree with AhSo when he said that "they may have been Reptilan before". I have been, and may well be, in a body of different kinds  here and on other planets or on other vibrational levels. Ike would perhaps have been closer to reality if he had said they may have been influenced by a reptilian race. Now the whole eating babies thing.... perhaps influenced children would be better(to say than eating). It is my understanding that Ike is moving back from his earlier reptilian statements and moved more into a more mainstream, hate of the Masons. Its all still preaching hate though. At least he hasen't talked anyone into drinking Kool Aid or Helter Skelter. (yet?)
Joe
Of course if you believe that all those people are Reptilian then you must also know that the moon is made of green cheese.(blue?) Or perhaps when you got a smack as a kid that it hurt your mom or your dad more that it hurt you. OK... There is lots of things that you could believe in, but some things are ment for the weak in the mind and for followers. My opinion only, course I could be speaking with a forked tongue...

I didn't get to the baby eating part Hawkeye, but for sure that starts to sound like hype..

apparently Mr Ike's book tells of how the Royal Family's and the Bushs, the Masons, just to name a few, kill and eat babies.(rituals) All a part of the lizard thing. I would say that the best way to fully get the whole picture would be to go to his web site or to read his first book. But I then looked at that and the last thing I would want to do is sell any of his cr-p. Not that all he says is wrong. There are breeding programs when it comes the the royal families. They call them selfs blue bloods. But that dosen't make them lizards.
Joe

Most here don't even seem to know a thing about the person which they fear and then ridicule. Light and love? More like a facet of light polarity to be observed in all it's supposed glory. Icke seems to handle ridicule very well, which is more than can be said about a lof of spirits I've encountered, myself included. Well, doesn't matter if he can read it, does it? As long as the group consenus is that he's nuts?

Want to see reptilians first hand? Take stroll out of the body and visit Delta Orionis/Mintaka of the belt of the constellation Orion. Now, that's something to write home about.

 Hi Volu, i don't think he's nuts, just slightly skewed in his perceptions and perhaps trying to make a buck and/or get notoriety.   For every person that thinks he's luny, there are others which support him, buy his books, go to his signings, etc.

 I believe there are negative Reptilian E.T.'s, and i believe they do try to influence humanity in a not so positive way, etc.   I also believe there is a human group similar to the Cabal, etc.  But some things that Icke says, i would say are a little exaggerated, and more so its the emphasis on his writings and message which bothers me, because it is very fear based.    Or rather more so, focusing on the problems too much, and not enough on the solution.  

 Instead of all this writing about negative beings, conspiracy's, etc. why doesn't he go out and teach meditation, teach love by example, start charities, etc. like what real spiritual teachers do?  

 It's the solutions which matter more than the problems.  What we focus on, affects us.   If we focus more actively and consistently on love, positivity and service to others with an awareness of the issues and problems, the more we help to change things.   The more we focus actively and consistently on the problems, the issues, what's wrong, etc. the less we help things energetically.  We can actually strengthen those negative energies by too much imbalanced focus on negativity.  

  So, like one wise dude once said, "be ye wise as serpents, but as gentle as doves".

Lizards.....hmmmn.

I have access to a video made at least 25 years ago which "shows" beyond doubt that I am a reptile. It's true! :)

I walked up to the cameraman (my boyfriend at the time) during a party and I guarantee that if you watched the clip you would see that I am a reptilian creature. I did something completely natural and unpremeditated, and I look exactly like a snake flicking my tongue in a particular way that looks extremely bizarre and surreal. It was scary and completely charming at the same time.

You really wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. My own eyes practically popped out of my head when I saw the video.

love, blink :)

wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 5:54pm:

Lizards.....hmmmn. I have access to a video made at least 25 years ago which "shows" beyond doubt that I am a reptile. It's true! :) I walked up to the cameraman (my boyfriend at the time) during a party and I guarantee that if you watched the clip you would see that I am a reptilian creature. I did something completely natural and unpremeditated, and I look exactly like a snake flicking my tongue in a particular way that looks extremely bizarre and surreal. It was scary and completely charming at the same time. You really wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. My own eyes practically popped out of my head when I saw the video. love, blink :)

Hmmm....you must have some real good 'talents' then? hehe! ;)

Ssssssssssss....... I could handle the idea that lizards are mixed up in the whole deal. But eating babies while not necessarily untrue sounds more like stooping to something calculated to deliver an emotional hit too.

More evidence needed for me at least, until then the jury is out...

Talent does what it can, Genius does what it must.

Edward Bulwer-Lytton
English dramatist, novelist, & politician (1803 - 1873)

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love, blink :)



Old Dood wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 6:16pm:

wrote on Jan 4th, 2008 at 5:54pm: Lizards.....hmmmn. I have access to a video made at least 25 years ago which "shows" beyond doubt that I am a reptile. It's true! :) I walked up to the cameraman (my boyfriend at the time) during a party and I guarantee that if you watched the clip you would see that I am a reptilian creature. I did something completely natural and unpremeditated, and I look exactly like a snake flicking my tongue in a particular way that looks extremely bizarre and surreal. It was scary and completely charming at the same time. You really wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. My own eyes practically popped out of my head when I saw the video. love, blink :) Hmmm....you must have some real good 'talents' then? hehe! ;)

Cool Blink. I was pretty sure you would take that in good humor and not be offened.

I just could not help myself....Ask Mrs Dood she has had to put up with me for 25 years so far....hehe!

It's funny how people will jump to conclusions about things they have never even investigated. Oh, shapshifting reptilians that sounds like BS; why bother even looking at the evidence?

The elite are laughing at us because most people in the world have no idea about the New World Order. That is the way they like it.

Whether you believe there are interdimensional reptilians or not doesn't matter. What matters is that you realize whats going on in your world. It is vital that you know what your government is doing and planning. Globalists are slowing bringing the world into a one world government where they can rule with an iron fist ala Communist Russia. "But this sounds to crazy, it couldn't be true. I trust the government so I won't even look at the facts."

Do you honestly think that David Icke is going around the world telling people this stuff for his own health? David's thoughts: "Ok, today I think I will go out into the world and make myself look like a fool for no reason. I am going to utterly shatter my reputation so I can make a little money off of some books. It doesn't matter that I can get arrested for fraud. This sounds like fun, self-humilation for no reason at all."

It's time to wake up and realize what the powers that be are doing:

Phil Schneider's lecture that got him killed: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8b5Ea3dgK3c
Best site on the NWO: http://www.illuminati-news.com/
Deep Underground Military Bases: http://www.subversiveelement.com/DulceSchneider.html

Phil Schneider's lecture is the best place to start. This guy was a former geologist that worked for the goverment. He helped excavate many of the governments Deep Undergroud Military Bases. Hmmm, wonder what the government is using those for? Nothing good, I can tell you that!

Before you call Icke an idiot, look at the evidence. Then reach your own conclusions.

Pat

Thanks Pat...
I didn't have a couple of those links.
I have the Phil Schieder one.
That is a good video.  Older. Mid 1990s.  Gets out of sync with the audio but, it still sounds fine.
Very Eye-Opening bit of information.

This is why I ask people that are very good at OBEs and traveling in the 'Spirit World' to check out these things for the rest of us.

wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 5:54pm:

Lizards.....hmmmn. I have access to a video made at least 25 years ago which "shows" beyond doubt that I am a reptile. It's true! :) I walked up to the cameraman (my boyfriend at the time) during a party and I guarantee that if you watched the clip you would see that I am a reptilian creature. I did something completely natural and unpremeditated, and I look exactly like a snake flicking my tongue in a particular way that looks extremely bizarre and surreal. It was scary and completely charming at the same time. You really wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. My own eyes practically popped out of my head when I saw the video. love, blink :)

:o :'( :D

 I hope you were only temporarily channeling a reptilian consciousness... 8-)

 Anyways, i was watching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind last night, and for some reason i kept thinking of you in relation to Kate Winslet's character.  Except that perhaps you had (or have?) more shy periods or tendencies on average.  

Either way, i thought/felt it was a bit odd because i rarely think of you (or most people here) outside of when i'm reading this site.  

 I hope none of this sounds negative, because i really liked Kate's character and energy in that movie.

bwstaircase89 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2008 at 2:11pm:

It's funny how people will jump to conclusions about things they have never even investigated.

  On the other hand, it could be said to be 'funny' how some people will jump to conclusive opinions that others haven't investigated such things because they happen to disagree with certain aspects of another's info (or perhaps in other cases, the consistent emphasis).   Ah well, such is the nature of this world, of certain aspects of humanity, and of our personalities.  

 So, with this knowledge in hand, what does one do about it?   What can one practically do other than try to get themselves as spiritually intune as possible in this life, so that they can be better and more affecting and effective examples of what set's a person free?

 Reptilians can't bother humanity, if most everyone is spiritually free, nor can corrupt and shadow gov.'s and groups arise in those conditions of collective freedom.  

 This is what i'm concerned with, and yes, maybe it's important to occasionally talk about such seemingly "far out" stuff (so that we don't repress it), but should we really concentrate on it so much like Icke does?   And either way, the Reptilians or any negatively motivated E.T. group, or human group...well they are still our fellow siblings and aspects of self.   If we can learn to love them and maybe even especially them, then maybe, just maybe we can begin to transcend the collective and individual illusions of our reality(s)?

This just in: http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html

Not a good 'future' now is it....?

  I don't label the future good or bad based on the outer material conditions.   To me, that's just another, more subtle though, form of materialism.  

  The future is good if one and other's choose to align to Source's consciousness and the P.I.'s ways of being.  

 I see these challenging outer material conditions as catalysts towards that eventual collective growth...so in my mind, that makes it all quite "good" in the long run.   I had a dream wherein i was telling others from direct knowledge, that the Christ wants these changes to happen, because they will help humanity in the long run, though being challenging in some respects in the shorter term.  

 All in all, i'm quite optimistic about our future.  We're getting so much help right now...its just a matter of opening up to it.   For every one negatively intentioned E.T. group, there are tens or even hundreds more who are not, and a percentage of these who are quite positively and spiritually motivated, and who are actively trying to help us through these changes on many levels.

From what I have read, these visitors have no conscience. Showing them love sounds alright, but when they rip your head off it's another story.  ;D

We are dealing with reptilians, I don't think they care about us very much. They just want a race of slaves to do their work.

Nice link Dood, disturbing to say the least.

Pat

I loved that movie, Justin, although it could be a little disorienting...and Jim, one of my heroes.

:) love, blink


wrote on Jan 6^th, 2008 at 5:36pm:

wrote on Jan 4th, 2008 at 5:54pm: Lizards.....hmmmn. I have access to a video made at least 25 years ago which "shows" beyond doubt that I am a reptile. It's true! :) I walked up to the cameraman (my boyfriend at the time) during a party and I guarantee that if you watched the clip you would see that I am a reptilian creature. I did something completely natural and unpremeditated, and I look exactly like a snake flicking my tongue in a particular way that looks extremely bizarre and surreal. It was scary and completely charming at the same time. You really wouldn't believe it unless you saw it. My own eyes practically popped out of my head when I saw the video. love, blink :) :o :'( :D  I hope you were only temporarily channeling a reptilian consciousness... 8-)  Anyways, i was watching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind last night, and for some reason i kept thinking of you in relation to Kate Winslet's character.  Except that perhaps you had (or have?) more shy periods or tendencies on average.   Either way, i thought/felt it was a bit odd because i rarely think of you (or most people here) outside of when i'm reading this site.    I hope none of this sounds negative, because i really liked Kate's character and energy in that movie.

 Me too Blink, one of the few movies i liked enough to actually buy.   The huge majority of movies, i like to only see once or twice (once in the movies, then once again via rental).  I think Jim did an excellent job in there as well, it's interesting how both actors played such opposite roles to their own usual roles or actual personalities, but very well.  

 Personally, i'd like to think that the movie deals with things deeper than just memory and personal relationships, there are some deep under current spiritual motifs in it, or at least i see.

bsc89,
I think your right about a new world order where there is one govt. Its probably the only way in which our planet will survive, with the way most of us are taking care of it. I don't understand the problem. Working collectively, world wide, to find cures for disease, pollution, global warming, hunger, etc. That would be great. Only when greed and desire to own it all or have more than others, does the necessity of separate countrys and govt come into play. I look forward to a one world, common democratic govt. The paranoia of not being the top dog is what I think is the problem. Thats when you get these Ike types tring to confuse people with ridiculous statements like the ones in print about the Queen and the Bushs and Tony Blair being Reptilians. Perhaps , just perhaps if there was going to be a problem, it might have happined already. Is this guys old nick name "chicken little"? ( The sky is falling! The sky is falling!) As for him worring about his reputation because he wrote a few books....Monroe did the same thing. As did others. If you believe strongly enough about something then you do what is necessary to get the word out. I have no problem with him writing his trash. To me it shows that there is a market to sell anything to someone. One mans trash can be anothers belief. If he had said God or Jesus, etc,  were reptilians, would you have believed that also?
Of course he might be right.... ohhhh how scarey.  ;)  

Read this page...
Look at the 'Future' part: http://www.afterlife101.com/research2.html

These are Spirit Guides 'talking'.  They do not say they know ALL either.

Here is something I found on another forum I frequent.  Named: ThothWeb Forums ( http://www.thothweb.com/ )
It is a pretty good forum in my view.  There are some open minds there.  There are some real thoughtful people as well.
That is what makes a forum great anyways...The People!

Here is a link from a post about Reptilians: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm
Quite interesting.  I have read similar bits of info about this elsewhere.

[quote author=bwstaircase89 link=1199283556/15#18 date=1199643095]
Do you honestly think that David Icke is going around the world telling people this stuff for his own health? David's thoughts: "Ok, today I think I will go out into the world and make myself look like a fool for no reason. I am going to utterly shatter my reputation so I can make a little money off of some books. It doesn't matter that I can get arrested for fraud. This sounds like fun, self-humilation for no reason at all."


"Regarding the above, without getting into whether or not David Icke is a fake, there are all kinds of false gurus and such who come up with stuff they can be ridiculed for. For example, Ron Hubbard from Scientology. Why do they do it? Because they aren't worried about what the masses think. They're only worried about what the people who put them on a pedestal think.

Some people get off on controlling and manipulating other people. Such people don't need the entire World to manipulate, just a handfull.  Some people equate people thinking well of them as the same thing as receiving love. Especially if people think especially well of them. So they find a way to get people to put them on a pedestal. Some people do it for the money. Many do so for a combination of these factors.

Some scam artists purposely share information that is hard to believe, because the more their followers make excuses for their ridiculous claims, the more entrapped/brainwashed they become. There is an art, if you want to call it that, to brainwashing people.

Such scam artists will use a person's weaknesses to take advantage of them. For example, a leader of skinheads will look for angry youths to mislead.  People who are disgruntled about the World political and economic situation, could also be ideal candidates. Express some of the viewpoints they want to hear, and they might buy into what you're selling. Especially if you demonize the people they are opposed to."