Hi everyone, I hope all have rejoiced with their family and friends. And I hope all of you gained 15 pounds...lol...!  ;D joking. Lovely - to be here.

I was wondering if I can get us to talk about the interpretations of the year 2012? What we feel will happen, how it will effect mankind, the fears which people have concerning 2012?

Its okay to speak out ones fears, as they are present, so I am extending to all newsbies to interact wholsomely in this topic too.

Reading diverse Websites I`ve come to understand that some people think that 2012 earth will "explode", some believe that "interplanetary beings"  will land in the back yards of every country and scare the living poo poo out of everyone causing them to have a sort of trauma", some believe that "2012 all continents will make a decision out of 2 choices and that because of this, there will be a world war 3".. while as others say that "flooding will take place, earth quakes, massive dangerious lightning bolts, ice storms and chaos will take place causing people to freak out and change their way of thinking towards each other, because they will need each other to survive"..

What can you contribute to the thoughts of 2012.

Nanner

Hi Nanner, and may everyone have a peaceful holiday time.

I believe that what will happen in 2012 is already happening, and it is that our world is "waking up" to the fact that many of our ways of life are not sustainable for our children and grandchildren to come.

Whether this also awakens the everpresent demons of fear and anger, or whether new, healing realizations come, change must come.

Simply to pull ourselves out of the brainwashed consumer daze that many live in is a daunting task. But it must be done, and on a grand scale. The acceleration will continue...the proliferation of weapons and goods...but in what way do we choose to participate?

We must choose to sink or swim, and we are very stressed creatures, so much of the time....but what is stress? We have very little yet, in my opinion, compared to what is to come.

What will we choose? To medicate ourselves into lala land? To pretend it's all okay as long as we have that great sleeping pill on our nightstand? Or will we choose to get real?

love, blink :)

Thanks Blink dear. I want to "get real" and find I am ready for to have the real scoop dropped on my lap! Wheres the beef Blink, wheres the beef?  :-? Nanner

P.S. did ya gain 15 lbs?

Hi,

I agree with your third choice and with Blink, Nanner, that it's a series of events that are already happening. Maybe 2012 will be the peak or the ending. People  are helping each other more too, don't you think?

A few years ago I was shown a particular scene about a particular person that was set in the early 2020's, and life seemed to be going on pretty much as now. In that scene historical and new buildings stood side by side, and people were doing daily tasks without fear. It was very reassuring to me but guidance seemed abit perturbed I had picked up on the background views, maybe because it softens my need to focus on the purpose of current calamities. (I just realized that, will have to work on it.)

Love, Bets

Thanks Bets, I found something else ..Hmmm take a look.
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/

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Adrian Gilbert and Maurice Cotterell, in their book the Mayan Prophecies, say that the end of the Great Cycle is the culmination of a series of long-term sunspot cycles which will flip the sun’s magnetic field, causing earthquakes and flooding on earth. Moreover, the changing magnetic field will alter the endocrine production of  the pineal gland.

The Winter Solstice is on December 21 at 10:08 PM, PST. The next day Venus is square Neptune, the moon is square Saturn, Mercury is opposing Mars, which brings storms and strong winds, the moon is square Uranus, which brings lots of water, the Sun is conjunct Jupiter, possible large earthquakes, and the moon is trine Neptune. Basically we have four planets in an alignment including our Sun. The Sun, Mercury and Jupiter are opposing Mars, which is at its closest point to Earth and making an electrical alignment with the huge comet Holmes. The Sun, Jupiter, Mercury, and Pluto are also conjunct the Galactic center or really close to it. This activates a tremendous amount of energy.

The moon is in Taurus on December 19, 20, and 21. If the energy decides to let loose on that day, watch out West Coast, Middle East, or Indonesia. Whatever happens the last ten days of December will be big. The exact conjunction of the Sun, Jupiter, Mercury, and Pluto opposing Mars is right over the longitude of the Mississippi River and the surrounding states as far south as New Orleans or Texas.  Mercury brings storms, and the Sun, Jupiter aspect could bring an earthquake. The opposite side of the world is Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India. Both sides of the world could be affected by this energy, especially around the full moon of December 23, when the moon is also at the closest point to Earth. Basically, the whole world will be affected by this strong energy.

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..........the changing magnetic field will alter the endocrine production of  the pineal gland.  Here goes, now I need to find out what the doodles this gland is for...

Never ending story...Nanners work will never get done...lol..


You can`t tell me...that - that little gaget which can be found under the link above, HAS NO PURPOSE WHATSO EVER?!

Neee - something mighty fishy going on here...

using that gadget on that simulator...I have been bee-bopping back and forth between the years 2007 and 2022 and looking from the "moon" it seems that the earth we know today, seems to get a heck of a lot of clouds... and Afrika (to me it seems) moves upward, I mean the land there extends..or am I seeing things? ~Nanner movin to Afrika~ ;)

Greetings!

How come that NASA gadget only shows Australia?  Is there something important going on down there?
And not to be paranoid or anything, but...

What are the reasons that any earth changes will affect our pineal glands? Is it traditionally connected with the Earth's magnetic field, like in Buddhist or Sanskrit literature? I don't know those two guys Gilbert and Cotterell.

Here's a rundown on the pineal gland from crystalinks.com:

"The pineal gland was the last endocrine gland to have its function discovered.
Its location deep in the brain seemed to indicate its importance. This combination
led to its being a "mystery" gland with myth, superstition and even metaphysical
theories surrounding its perceived function.

The pineal gland is occasionally associated with the sixth chakra (also called Ajna
or the third eye chakra in yoga). It is believed by some to be a dormant organ
that can be awakened to enable "telepathic" communication.

In the physical body the eye views objects upside down. It sends the image of
what it observes to the brain which interprets the image and makes it appear
right side-up to us.

But the human body has another physical eye whose function has long been
recognized by humanity. It is called the 'Third Eye' which in reality is the Pineal
Gland. It is long thought to have mystical powers. Many consider it the Spiritual
Third Eye, our Inner Vision."

(I don't know crystalinks' reliability either. :)  )

So I suppose if one weren't already in tune with third eye/spiritual energies, if it suddenly got activated, one might be fearful.  --Just one more reason to be happy for the kindness and knowledge of those who share on this site!  Much appreciation to you all !

Bets



It IS finally raining here, as they said, but we need it !  Some other areas of the US have been having floods or heavy snows for the last few months.

Well. a lot of stuff seems to be happening already. Edgar Cayce predicted that California and a lot of other places would fall into the ocean about now. n fact it's the other way around, the ocean will advanc to cover a lot of California, Georgia, Florida, Bahamas, huge areas of Thailand and other SouthEast Asian lowlands, as well as New Orleans, Manhattan Island, Washington DC is essentially a swamp, not much loss there, and a lot of places in southern Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc. Greenland's ice cap has been estimated as capable of increasing the ocean by another two or three meters depth, which is quite enough to take out Venice etc, plague the Netherlands, wash all the heroin out of Marseilles and put the ministers feet awash in British Parliament.

The Sun's poles change polarity with the sunspot cycle every 11 years. That's normal. However, the Earth is covered by sea water, a conductor, in the solar wind, an electrical current. Moving a conductor in an electrical field causes an induced current, just like any other transformer. The induced current causes a magnetic field. So the Earth's magnetic field is going to go everywhichaway as the oceans change depth. The regular pattern in the past has been every 60,000 years, probably as an ice age effect, but this time we'll see something new.

There's an asteroid called Apophis www.armageddononline.org/99942_apophis_asteroid.php that might come by and give us a whack, which will definitely change the polar rotation. It's due to come by benignly  in early 2013. Whether the change will be detectable, as compared to theoretical, remains to be seen.

My personal feeling is that we'll have a lot of earthquakes as the tectonic plates reestablish equilibrium about the mean geodesical surface. The "rim of fire" plates are especially vulnerable due to their subduction zones. I just moved, and the wife and I made sure to have rocks under our house, and a location high enough to escape the onrush of sea water, even if we have a tsunami. The fact we're built on an earthquake fault promises to be interesting too.

For something else to worry about try this site, neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news146.html where they discuss the odds of being whacked in general, as well as by known rocks. And Mars has a few rocks headed that way as well. www.space.com/scienceastronomy/071220-asteroid-mars.html but the arrival time is much sooner.

As the oceans rise we are going to have a tremendous population pressure in SouthEast Asia. Muchof the low growing region will flood, so as we double population every 33 years (the usual rate) we'll also be reducing food supplies. That looks like a good excuse for a war. My guess is that we're going to run short of supplies in about 100 more years, not in 2012. Then there will be a period of major chaos and a lot of people dying of starvation, disease and things their neighbors do to them. After that, with luck, we'll learn to get along with each other, perhaps.

I think I'll watch a lot of this from the sidelines in spirit! :-)

dave

When I read up on Future Predictions I try to put my Skepticals on along with my Specticals. :D

We ourselves affect any future outcomes simply by what we think and do each day.
As we become more aware and informed I seriously believe that will affect outcomes.
Nothing is written in stone.  Nothing. That is why I do not believe 'The Book of Revelations'.
IT will only come true if we allow it too.  By believing for it to happen.

There are many websites on this set of events supposedly coming up.
I believe some will happen simply because enough 'time' has gone by and now 'time' is short.
Enough 'believing' has already been done. Mathamatically the Mayans have 'figured it out'.
Maybe there is something too this. Their Calendars are very accurate. Yes, Calendars as in pural.
They have more then one.  Most people think there is just A Mayan Calendar.
They seem to fit like gears.  Very interesting. Those people were/are very advanced in mathamatics.

Have any of you watched these videos? (About 3 hours total)

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097

Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232

This man died a few years ago. His name was Ian Xel Lungold.
His lecture was really interesting. He was 'off' by a few years as well.
Does that mean he is totally wrong?  Or does that mean he is 'off' because some aware people have 'tweaked' his numbers by believing?
Still, his break down of 'Ages' seem to hit the nail on the head.

There is also this guy... Patrick Geryl: http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm/home.htm
Not a pretty picture coming from him at all. I read a couple of his books. Hmmm...

Then there is this guy....Dr Deagle. Another 'Not so nice Future'.

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461

Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684

Part 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

Part 4: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371

Makes you wonder.

There is no reason to be anxious about 2012, you can't control what is going to happen. However, you can hope for the best and prepare for the worst. 2012 could be anything, but I am sure that it serves a good and benvolent purpose.

The future isn't set in stone, we have the ability to lessen the changes. But we won't avert them entirely IMHO.

Here are some articles if you are interested:

http://fromthestars.com/page171.html
http://fromthestars.com/page159.html
http://fromthestars.com/page177.html
http://fromthestars.com/page76.html
http://fromthestars.com/page74.html

Lots of good info on that website!

I know you are familiar with Afterlife101 Nanner, you should read it's articles on Earth Changes to get an idea of what it coming.

Peace,

Pat

Maybe the question should be, "Is life as a soap opera more fun?"

dave

Interesting stuff. I haven't a shred of knowledge from experience, only what I've read and that ranges as you guys have already said from annihilation to a relatively benign awakening helped along by some not too serious earth and other changes.

There seems to be a view that a lot will depend on how much we awaken - in terms of our handling of the practical situation we find ourselves in. Which in turn will be determined by how much love we can express, how much wisdom we can find to act upon.

My personal sense is that we simply can't hope to sail on unaffected. Whether you view our situation through ecological, environmental, climate, geophysical, astronomical, energy, economic, technological, societal/population lens it's hard to think that we're not rapidly reaching a choke point beyond which our old ways can lead only to disaster.

How fast is hard to gauge. Climate could bite very suddenly. We could get an economic collapse very soon if things go wrong - the current crisis is caused by a mix of corporate greed and naive borrowing, it's possible there's lots worse to come. Or that the system has already absorbed the shock.

My sense is that lots of positive change is afoot too. There's been an incredible spiritual opening since the 1960s. Whether it's going to be enough to get us through remains to be seen.

My biggest fear is as Dave says - that if we get too big a shock too fast that we'll descend into warfare and dog eat dog behaviours before we can respond.

There's no value in getting really uptight about it - it's more a case of getting pointed in the right direction and then doing what we can to help on a day by day basis. It could even be that we're not seeing the big picture  - that it'll take quite some time for the sh1t to get in the fan.....

When I think of 2012 I always take time to view this short 5 minute video once again:
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxWZc1cRLnA

I never can listen to this to many times. I always get something 'more' out of this everytime I listen to it....

Adyashanti (the guy in the video) seems very credible, but there's hardly any info on him on his website.
http://www.adyashanti.org/

Anybody know his background, or anything much about him? Dood?

wrote on Dec 26^th, 2007 at 7:54pm:

Adyashanti (the guy in the video) seems very credible, but there's hardly any info on him on his website. http://www.adyashanti.org/ Anybody know his background, or anything much about him? Dood?

I heard about him from a wonderful Lady from the Near-Death forums.
Her alias was/is Eve.  She is a Britain Citizen that was living in France.
I knew she was going to go to India for a while with her husband.
She was getting fed up with all the BS drama that was going on over there.
I can't blame her at all. It was getting real thick. Sound familier? ;) 
I have emailed her a few times but not recently. I should send her a line and see how she is doing.

Eve was the one that turned us all on to this video and a few other ones.
I have no real knowledge of him except from these videos.
He seems real genuine to me anyways.

Like I said I get more out of his few words he speaks everytime I listen to them.

Hi,

If I am still a member I would like the forum to reflect on my comment below"


Just like other predictions of doom in the past nothing of earth shattering consequence is going to happen during 2012. "Nothing"  However, we just have to wait and see if I am right. Anyway worry is the most useless of habits.

Regards

Alan

I am confused by your mentioning of 'If I am still a member' line.

Also 'something' will happen.
Something happens everyday....there is no nothing will happen on any day at any time. ;)

THanks on A Dood.

Hi Alan. As Dood says that events will continue, with the possibility ranging from the normal gradual change (as goes on all the time) uninterrupted by sudden changes, crisis or catastrophe to more sudden step changes.

Whatever happens will be entirely natural, the result of cause and consequence playing out. We may indeed be working ourselves into some sort of post millenial flap. For sure too our job is to live day by day.

My view though is that it's not acceptable to stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything is OK while doing this - there are some very big man made risks facing the world - which if we can't respond to are likely to collectively teach us some very hard lessons.

Sooner or later.....

Wow, lots of perspectives and great ones at that!  :)

I had wondered about why at certain times the gadget only shows Africa or Australia, however when I began "changing" the time settings fro 10:00 o`clock to 12 and so forth I had been able to see different continents. So never the less I was relieved to see some exsisting continents a new... Whew I thought to myself..

However I still question "why is this gadget even available?" For what purpose? The fact that way different perspectives can be seen from whatever Orion, Uranius, Phoebie Satalites there are, or even the perspective from the Moon, Sun etc. makes it spooky for me in a way, sort of goes against everything I thought I knew (ergo: don`t sit infront of the sun or your butt will get severly crispy  :o) So how can a satalite be placed there hmmmmm )

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Alan, the fact that you are posting shows that you are a member Sweetie. You decide if you are a member or not, so whats the problem? :-/

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That "Nothing" will happen, can not be fact - as I seem to see that "something" is happening everyday. It is very nice to be able to observe from a far, that many people are changing their attitudes towards "foreigners", be it from their side to this side, or visa versa. Its starting to really take formation. Thats "positive"... People are starting to "care"..

I feel what effect that has on the "outcome" already can be seen. The more that reach out, speak out, pray in meditation and send PUL all around the world, will change attitudes that way - using genuine love, the less fatel the "outcome" will be, as then the "lesson" is understood by many, which means a whole new era of teaching will take place thereafter.  

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A "systematic occurance" is anew taking place. I may try doig some ground work - like searching the "mathematical" part in all of this. Sort of checking "all numbers prior to big wars" to see, if at these times an over population had been. Checking the numbers prior to Tsunamis, Earth (Aches) Quakes, etc. and then placing them on a before and after sheet. That will give me a bigger picture at a distance and should tell me "if this whole ordeal is systematic". Considering that we have lots of info on prior exsisting civilisations, this shouldnt be all that hard to come up with.

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Something "cosmic" had to have happened around the days Dec. 20th thru 23rd this year. My body and mind was "at peak somehow" - It had felt like all of my circuits in my brain were going at high speed, reorganising something. I was baffeled beyond recognition. Did anyone else feel indifferent during this time.

Nanner

HI,
"If I am still a member"

I meant by this that 2007 is a long way off and anything can happen to me before then.

Alan

Guys you really misunderstood me, I meant nothing of “earth shattering, titanic, colossal and catastrophic proportions” will Happen, Like Armageddon expected nearly every year since the book of revelations was written, Lo and behold when the pricted time came, each prophesied or predicted catastrophe never came to pass..

I have gone into this prophet thing and found one consistent thread, they have all been proved to be consistently wrong Of course due to statistical probability there have been some “apparent hits’ Most prophecies are smothered in a huge blanket of ambiguity.

Alan

 I find the whole, "well so many have been wrong and off about future predictions of much change, so they can't possibly happen" to be a bit of an odd approach to the validity or lack thereof of all such predictions.   I guess i don't connect the dots there.  

  But anyways, yeah i agree worry in relation to such changes is pretty pointless and a total waste of energy.  Perhaps because of the lack of worry within this self, and the degree of detachment towards "outer" conditions is part of why i've been recieving info about the changes for so long now?

 When many, various more credible sources seem to be saying the same general thing, then i pay close attention especially if i'm getting personal guidance on such issues too.    For example, Bruce Moen, Rosiland McKnight's guides, Bob Monroe, Edgar Cayce, many NDE accounts, many indigenous peoples, all seem to be saying the same general thing, that major changes are coming on many levels and that for some, some of these may be upsetting and civilization alterning.

 There doesn't have to be anything "fearful" about such changes, but yet humans in general are so scared on average, individually and collectively of "change".   Why, because it represents the unknown and calls for less attachment to what's outside of us.  We tend to hold and cling to our attachments, as if they were precious gifts, and not the limiting patterns that they really are.  We desire and struggle to stay within our comfort levels.   Outer change may upset that clinging and may facilitate us realizing that we need to break those attachments or rather replace them with better, more constructive and interally oriented attachments.  

 In the long run, these changes will be seen to be the best things which could happen to humanity, we will look back with great gratitude and deep appreciation for the temporary "chaos" and challenging catalysts that such changes will have provided for us.  Of course, then, we collectively will have grown beyond such emotional fear and materialistic attachments as compared to now.

 Btw, as a long time student of the Cayce material, and having read a lot of books based on this material, i have repeatedly noticed a trend and pattern of many authors and critics either misinterpreting or twisting the meaning of certain readings, or taking them too much out of a much larger and very important to consider context.    When it comes to the Cayce readings, context, context, context is an extremely important factor and consideration.   Of course, Cayce did have blatant predictive errors, but this does not somehow completely invalidate the whole of his work or of his predictions for the future.  

 My understanding is that Cayce's guides, more than anything, pointed to general trends in relation to the changes, than giving a lot of specific and time based predictions.    Most often when dates where actually mentioned, they were mentioned in relation to a long term trend, and telling people to watch the longer term trends, to be observant of same.  

 For example, the "prediction" his guides most made, in relation to actual time periods, was the prediction of a general global warming trend becoming most noticable in relation the climate of the artic and antartic.   He basically said, this would start to become noticeable starting around the year 1958 and becoming ever more apparent, especially towards the year of 1998.  98 and after, would see a real pickup in various changes relating to climate, spiritual awakening, and earth/geological events.   Contrary to popular belief, Cayce never gave a definite date for the shifting of the poles, which really should be called the shifting of the Earths crust.    There is a reading which mentions the dates of 2000/2001, but if read more carefully and not so narrowly, one would see that Cayce's guides are still outlining more gradual trends.   So many authors before this actual date, did the Cayce's work a real disservice when they pointed to this reading and said that it definitively pointed to THE date of a poleshift, no questions asked and no other conditions given, etc.  ::)  

 Considering these first predictions about global warming were given almost some 80 years ago, i would say that this was a definite predictive "hit", unless one still wants to deny that there are major global climate pattern changes going on.   Cayce guides though, seem to point to more natural and cyclic Earth and cosmic cycles relating to the cause of this, rather than the more popular and mainstream human pollution cause as many today point too.  

 While i saw and did not completly agree with Al Gore's movie about global warming, i found something in it very interesting in relation to the Cayce material.  Gore mentions one of his professors being really interested in climate and that he became aware or noticing that there was a shifting, a change in the global climate patterns around 58 or 59, though he primarily links to increased carbon emissions.   What's interesting is that the 58 period is the exact period that Cayce's guides mentioned many decades before, for being the time frame for starting to notice these climate changes.  

 What a "coincidence" eh? :D ;)   It's also coincidental that his guides pointing to 98 being an especially important marking period in this whole changes phenomena.   What happened in 98'?   Nothing except our Sun aligning to the exact center point in its alignment to the Galactic plane, which only happens once every 6, 500 or so years, and only happens every 13, 000 or so years in relation to the Sun's solstice position in relation to the Galactic plane.   We're in the 13,000 cycle peaking phase.  Astromically this alignment started in a physically measurable way, in and around the year 1980, reached perfect center point in 1998, and will be in physical alignment till 2016.   So we have a 36 year cycle or period of physical/astronomical alignment to this great Center.   Cayce couldn't have known about this whole 98' thing, because astronomy/science itself didn't find that out until many years later.  Interesting that he just happened to point to this year, more than once, to an especially important marking period, and when the changes would start to BEGIN in earnest.  

 Sure, but such major and once in only 13,000 or so year Galactic Solar cycles have no import or connection to the destiny of humanity, and to its evolution towards greater and more pure Light.

 After all, so many predictions and prophecies, time frames, so many sources, etc. have been so off.   But few have had the amount of "coincidences" that this particular above source has had.

 As far as "2012" goes, i would say there is a lot of confusion, disinfo, and lack of holistic and clear reasoning in relation to same.    The Mayans, like many, were more pointing to general time frames in relation to the changes, and not just pointing to one momentous year.    It is and has been a gradual developement, with various marking points in relation to same.    

 What is interesting about 2012 as compared to other years, is this.  It's still within that 36 year Solar Galactic alignment cycle, but also marks the smaller Solar cycle maximum cycle wherein the Sun is scheduled to move into its most intense and active in its 11 year cycle, wherein it has a peak low and high point.  

 Personally, i see 2008 to 2015 being particularly "change filled" in relation to civilization, humanity, the economy, the geological and climate aspects of Earth, and changes relating to all the above.   This in particular may be an extreme and challenging period for many.  

 I should have mentioned earlier, that it wasn't until i stopped reading books based on Cayce's work, hence 2nd hand interpretations, info, etc., and started to study the some 14, 300 or so readings more directly myself, that i began to understand how much misinterpretation and out of context kind of stuff was going on with this particular set of material, how many authors were injecting their own preconceived beliefs or misinterpretations into these books and calling them directly "Cayce info".   So few of these books actually quoted large amounts of the actual readings themselves, and when they did actually quote, they usually only used little snippets taken out of a larger and more holistic context.  

 And in having my own experiences, dreams, and other guidance messages, helped me to understand more fully and clearly, the info related to the Earth changes in the Cayce readings.  Cayce guides seem to hint and repeat the hint, that these changes are a gradual developement all in all, but also having peak or climaxing points as well.   Too many have painted a too black and white picture of the changes, or of Cayce's material relating to same.  

Hi everyone, I hope all have rejoiced with their family and friends. And I hope all of you gained 15 pounds...lol...!  ;D joking. Lovely - to be here.

I was wondering if I can get us to talk about the interpretations of the year 2012? What we feel will happen, how it will effect mankind, the fears which people have concerning 2012?

Its okay to speak out ones fears, as they are present, so I am extending to all newsbies to interact wholsomely in this topic too.

Reading diverse Websites I`ve come to understand that some people think that 2012 earth will "explode", some believe that "interplanetary beings"  will land in the back yards of every country and scare the living poo poo out of everyone causing them to have a sort of trauma", some believe that "2012 all continents will make a decision out of 2 choices and that because of this, there will be a world war 3".. while as others say that "flooding will take place, earth quakes, massive dangerious lightning bolts, ice storms and chaos will take place causing people to freak out and change their way of thinking towards each other, because they will need each other to survive"..

What can you contribute to the thoughts of 2012.

Nanner
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2012 is going to suck, because I'll be four years older
than I am now.
Aging is a drag. I'd advise you to avoid it at all costs...

B-coot

FUBAR , I tried that, been there - done that!  :D No such luck - I will also be 5 years older in 2012!  Ya know, this so called "Anti-Aging" is for the poops too, I tried that , and each darn year I got older anyway, so much for "Anti-aging!"

2012 will not suck, I do believe that up till then we will all make major leaps towards consciousness levels.. I would certainly hope so.
;)
Nanner

I have heard it validated from other sources that you are right, Nanner -  that consciousness levels are higher, as a whole, collectively, than they were 100 years ago. But there are still a lot of unhappy people out there.

I do like to think that Alysia is on target, also, as she says that there will, in time, be a tipping point toward collective higher consciousness, if we can hang in there together long enough to get there.

Perhaps best to see the glass half full....?

love, blink :)

p.s. B, everyone always tells me to "see it not there"....that does seem to do the trick sometimes.

wrote on Dec 28^th, 2007 at 11:33am:

... But there are still a lot of unhappy people out there. love, blink :)

Well Blink baby - I guess thats were "we" all come into the picture  ;)

It is up to you, Alysia, Ahso, Alan, Fubar, Deanna, Juditha, Old Doodi man, Bruce, good ole Bets, Lihn, wondermous vajra and all the others with higher vibes of consciousness and lets not forget itzy Nanner to reach out as fast as we can and help all the others to the next step.

Look at it sort of like horseback riding without a saddle. We bend down, get on all fours so that the other person can step onto our backs to use as a stairway and be able to get on that horse!  :D Since we know the key to all of this is PUL

WE are capable of extending exactly that, which means we are capable of infecting others with it too..

Much work needs to be done.. Who knows maybe thats why we always come back exactly to THIS BOARD, nomatter how many others we visit.  ;)

Hugs,
Nanner

:) You never know Nanner. We may even be the flap of the butterfly's wing that will be the tipping point. Or just a bunch of serial bullsh1tters.....

:D Well then sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many serial bull squaters CAN NOT BE WRONG! ...lol..

;)
Nanner

Hi,
Winston Churchill said the only correct prophet was one that prophesied after the fact. He was correct..

Regards

Alan
8-)

I don't know what will happen but I stumbled upon this guy (far out and crazy like me) David Wilcock and he has some interesting things to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKWW0KNntQ&feature=related

G

on a slightly related note
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0GtUnn2EMM

yes it is interesting

2012 is about the time when several breakthrough technologies will hit full production.  Several solar panel breakthroughs will dramatically lower the cost of solar energy production and they will become as common on roofs as satellite dishes.

At the same time, a tenfold improvement in batteries causing replacement of liquid fuel automobiles will be going full blast in 2012.  The Chevy Volt will be out in 2010 with others not far behind.  By 2012 everyone will be planning on replacing their liquid fuel car with an electric.

This could cause the collapse of the OPEC countries as well as the end of the ethanol boom in agricultural states.

It will also mean that our electric grid is adequate for years to come at its current state since everyone can use their solar roofs and new battery technology for their energy needs.

Here are some recent stories about new technology.

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nf/57832

if Stanford University scientists succeed in commercializing a breakthrough in the laboratory. Assistant Professor Yi Cui and associates at Stanford's Department of Materials Science and Engineering said they have developed a method to increase the life of rechargeable lithium ion batteries to a whopping 40 hours.

Publishing in the journal Nature Nanotechnology, the Stanford researchers have shown that by using silicon nanowires as the battery anode instead of today's graphite, the amount of lithium the anode can hold is extended tenfold.

Revolution in Battery Design

"It's not a small improvement," Cui said. "It's a revolutionary development." And Cui means to move the development out of the lab as soon as possible. "We are working on scaling up and evaluating the cost of our technology," Cui said. "There are no roadblocks for either of these."



The Chevy Volt will use Lithium Ion batteries:

http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/12/19/lithium-ion-battery-storage-capacity-research-breakthrough/

The Chinese have a different battery technology they are betting on:


 http://jalopnik.com/344737/detroit-auto-show-byd-wants-to-build-your-dreams-if-your-dream-is-a-ferrous-battery+powered-honda-accord

Grant M wrote on Jan 14^th, 2008 at 3:48am:

I don't know what will happen but I stumbled upon this guy (far out and crazy like me) David Wilcock and he has some interesting things to say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKWW0KNntQ&feature=related G on a slightly related note http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0GtUnn2EMM

I like David Wilcock.
I don't know if he has all the 'right' answers however, what he has to say is interesting.

Here is the home of those videos that you posted.
They are 'cleaner' here and you can downloand the Windows Media files to your hard drive in case they somehow 'disappear' from the net.
Link: http://www.projectcamelot.net/david_wilcock.html

Yes old dood I agree with you.

I have been following this earth changes/2012 thing for a long time and I am hesitant to believe anything specific but am eager to hear/read someone's take on the concept. keeping my mind open and not making any judgements one way or another. Somehow I don't want to be saying that the 'big pumpkin' is coming and then nothing happens...

I think Bob Monroe or Bruce Moen simply refer to it as 'the event' (please correct me if I am wrong)

On a slightly related topic google/youtube anything on the 'disclosure project'. Now that is interesting! (to me)

regards

Well, check out that whole site at Project Camelot.

LOTS of info on Disclosure, etc.

It is a fantastic website.

I've felt my consciousness shifting ever since I became interested in spiritual matters and it seems that others around me are waking up.

From what I've read 2012 is an astrological event when one great Mayan cycle gives way to another and the earth will be aligned with the centre of the milky way galaxy.

A memorable quote I sometimes share is

'We are on our way to becoming fifth dimensional telepathic beings.' - Dr John Jay Harper who wrotes 'Tranceformers of the 21st century'

So pretty soon we won't be able to hurt one another without feeling it deeply. I hope that 2012 and beyond represents moving into a time of peace and advanced spiritual awareness, as many people have said. I sincerely hope that it doesn't mean the end of the world or more war, as many others have said too. Its hard to know exactly what to believe so I'm taking it all in and appreciate the links that people have posted.

Never say die,

Michael

Michael - that was quite well written. I too believe that "people around me are starting to do some serious thinking".

Just alone the fact that the world almost in its entirety is "watching" the USA political poles like hawk eyes! 20 years ago no one in europe was really concerned about "who would be president in the USA in the next election"..Today people are holding their breath at times...

Also the so called  "paranormal" is beginning to become more excepted in a broader range and is not being looked upon as being "a religious gift", such as being "holy" but rather as being "naturally aware and gifted". (I am happy for this change of attitude!)

More and more people speak out their disgust about the "death penalty" and are looking for better ways.

etc..

Love to all,
Nanner

Consciousness level of alot of people is changing rapidly and I hope it keeps going.

Another question on the 2012 though is this "Bang-boom" theory. I come straight out and ask how many really believe that the world as we know it today, is going to evaporate? The 2012 take according to Maya doesnt state it like that, but other theorist do state it. So whats the scoop? Nanner

I really have no real 'clue' as to what will happen.

However, I do like what David Wilcock has been saying.
I do not know if he has all the right answers or not.  Probably not but, still he has some interesting viewpoints.