Hi! All,

I wonder if you can resonate with some of my experiences that I have had over my somewhat long life.

Do you experience lucid vivid nightly dreams I never seem to have a good night sleep like other people and always remember my dreams in detail when I awake.

Have any of you experienced walking or going to other planets in our physical universe. One interesting experience of mine was while in the ethereal body I found myself walking up a mountain on a moon (somewhere in the universe) when I reached the top I looked down into a huge crater. However, to my amazement instead of being barren and bleak it was like a beautiful little paradise, with glorious flowers, blue lakes, trees and bright green grass.  In science fiction we read of domed cities like this on the moon. But this paradise like place on a barren airless moon had “no dome” and some unknown force held the atmosphere over it.

"Note the universe is awash with live  and if it were not it would be a colossal waste of space, would it not?

I have gone OBE into other strange dimensions and realms that simply defy explanation. The apostle Paul said he was taken into the third heaven and saw unspeakable things or unexplainable things.

I have seen the futures as well as the past as there are gateways to there.” Katrina, Tsunami”

I have gone to the place of what I call “magnetic light”. Many souls are there. Much of this light is unimaginable beautiful and exists outside of our spectrum of sight on earth.

I have had the experience of going almost back to the moment of the big bang and seem to merge with the mind of God. Strange as these sounds I seem to be God, looked, and understood infinity, while in this glorious momentary state.

I have moved at almost infinite speed in lucid dreaming, existing the event horizon of our universe, seeing it as a huge black plane that became a huge globe as I receded into the white light that is the breath of god. The universe became smaller and smaller until it disappeared as minute black dot into the blinding infinite composite light that is the breath God.

There is much much more that I can share with the forum however, there is one member that has sent me accusing me of plagerisation and stealing knowledge from other minds. It should be obvious to any fool that I was not the author of the Planes and Realms of existence. I did not claim this just signed off. "When send in an article in the future, just to please this person". If it is by me, I will sign off as below: =

"""BY ALAN MCDOUGALL 19/12/2007"""

Hi Alan - thanks for the topic.

... And for petes poopy sake - I would suspect that your consciousness level is much higher than to pucker over a comment of anyone, its merely perspectives and how do we react on perspectives: We respect them. It doesnt matter if the other person does, we respect them, not judging the right or the wrong of it - it just is. The more we practice this the more it becomes contagious, the more people have been infected by it. That is grand - isnt it. In any case I like each and everyone of your perspectives.. Consider yourself hugged!

So now to your topic.
Yes, lucid dreaming seems to be my thing. For me it sort of "evolved" to what it is now.
You say you`ve had a somewhat of a long life, well mine on this plane hasnt been all that long but therefor pretty darn impactful. I must have decided to take 10 lifes into 1.
If we all stood in line infront of the desk of afterlife back then, wanting to "experience" things, I must have come to the line with an oversized heavyduty Hefty garbage bag to pack my wants in, instead of using a regular sized grocery store bag. Geez theres no more room left in that bag. I now call myself a nitt-witt for being so overzealious.  ;D

• As a kid we moved a total of 122 times and each time we moved I had a lucid dream and told my parents where we would move to...lol.. I mean I told them what the house looked like, the yard, the street, however I didnt know the name of the town or city whatever. My parents thought I was a weird kid...lol.. Heck I probably was... ;D
  

• Before my teenage years kicked in I had began to understand that I had something which no one around me had / or had and didnt talk about it. I could feel the presence of souls and the souls knew this too - as they would straight out zoom right on my butt and stay there for a while and they tell me "bye when they leave!
  

• I believe my soul travels at night, thats different for me than lucid dreaming, however I can`t seem to stear it yet. Its been so many places and when this happens I am so pooped in the morning
  

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• And last but not least I have premonitions, which have helped others.

 

The lucid dreaming, from which I have noticed is used to "communicate things to me" and not just to say hello.  For instance in several lucid dreams I was given a word, a word for a product or project. I was to paten that word and did so registering it till 2015. Geez it took the afterlife weeks to get me to understand & write down that friggin word! I probably frustrated the heck out of them. (Sorry guys/ Guides)

I was given the complete blueprint of an international business, from A-Z (no joke) This what I call a "blueprint" I am suppose to share with the right person at the right time, I was told "you`ll know".. I had to work 3 years on this project inorder to get it right. But its finished now. Contacted the initial manufactures & handled out pricing, completed all paperwork needed for the project, presentational Cd`s, Projections, Orderingforms, Online back office set up, everything is completed.... Hmmm after I did this the lucid dreams stopped... I hate it when they do that, and they know I hate that...

So if you know someone whom has been having strange dreams about a business - send em to me. I`m their "other part to the dream"...

Nanner

Alan - your picture is messed up, its not showing up on my screen, but rather an X.  ;) Nanner

Hi Alan. Don't worry about that sort of stuff. I think the suggestion was floated because there was a genuine interest on the part of several in the origin of the material, and because you'd not answered.

Don't draw too much from an absence of replies on some topics either. When anybody posts large blocks of apparently impersonal material in a book-like style it's fairly normal that it doesn't generate large amounts of correspondence. It can do if it generates questions as some of yours has done, but other times people presumably just read it. Or can't be bothered. Or whatever. Or decide that it's maybe a cut and paste from a book or other document. Posting a lot all at once means it tough for people to engage too.

Your Hitler thread has actually generated a lot of response, and a very varied set of views which seem to have gelled into some sort of concensus.

There's a lot of goodwill and understanding here, but maybe just slow it down a little, and rest easy - go with the flow. Maybe use a form of words that makes it clear that when you are posting experience it's personal and yours.

It sounds from the above that you have considerable ability. There's others here that have much wider abilities than I do, so i imagine some may be able to compare notes. Robert Monroe is well known for accounts of very similar stuff too. I'm cautious about coming in too much on it other than to say 'wow' to myself as I've no comparable experience.

What do you think is the point of it all? Why do you think you may have this gift? Where does it fit in your life?

Hi Allan,

Since you are a near death experiencer I would say that you are experiencing the after effects of this.  I’m an experiencer as well and I’m very familiar with the spiritual experiences that result.  These after effects are normal and they become more enhanced as time goes on.  You are experiencing more of who you really are… a spiritual being.  You feel different from everyone else because you are different from those that have not had a NDE.  However, millions of people do know what you are going through.

I have just finished reading PMH Atwater’s book that came out a couple months ago:  ‘The Big Book of NDE’ and I highly recommend it for both experiencers and non-experiencers.  She gives a good description of what you and I and many others have gone through as well as list many references for follow up research.

Love, Kathy

I for one am pretty skeptical about Alan's claims.  The reason is that I posted a reply maybe a week ago saying I thought he was just copying and pasting other sources, and writing his name at the bottom (basically I thought he was plagiarizing).

Since then I have gotten vehement personal messages from him that almost defy description in their ridiculous anger and insulting tone.  I've been called "stupid" multiple times, "small minded", and had such fun sentences directed at me as " Read the other threads of mine, even if the are too deep for you to comprehend." and " I said the forum members are not stupid back could you not see I excluded you in this comment."

At one point Alan wrote to me:


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The forum members are not stupid and I knew they could easily read it was not my work  and not from me.

And then went on to attack me again.  Basically he (1) denied plagiarism and got extremely insulting because I suggested he was plagiarizing, then (2) he admitted he was plagiarizing, then (3) he went back to denying plagiarism / insulting - all in the same letter!  Bizzare.

He also peppers his letter with gems such as these


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Of course over the years of reading thousands of books on nearly every subject, together with much musing, contemplation, meditation

and referred me to his blog which is literally titled "Alan McDougal Master of Wisdom".

I did call Alan immature in response to his insults.  This is because I'm a high school teacher and grow tired of immaturity in my every day life, let alone from adults who should know better.  His response specifically to this was enlightening:


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You say I am imature, what abject stupid nonsense. I am 67 yrs of age, and have a life time of mystical experiences and if you would just try to get to know me better you would gain much from dialogue. I really find this funny. I AM ALSO HIGHLY EDUCATED AN ENGINEER AND A IT SPECIALIST. WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS?

In any case, I think Jesus' admonition helps here in trying to assess the spiritual information that someone is claiming to be a bearer of based on their character: "Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit." Matthew 7:17.  Let me rephrase; I think Alan has some good info here; I doubt his ability to be honest and his spiritual adventures, because I don't think he is a developed spiritual person.

Hi Alan- I'm another old fart, and as good a fool as the next one down the pike.

My interests in what you say arise specifically from my awareness that there is always a connection between different modalities of perception, and there is always some kind of purpose to what people say.

The "planes of existence" post was a perfectly valid perspective from some angle on reality - I'm still curious where it came from.

Some years ago it occurred to me that so long as people were doing their best to tell it like it is, then everyone is telling their (subjective) truth. Such multiple truths can be in agreement or conflicted - If I hold up a coin and say that it portrays a person's head, while all you see is the backside of a bird, that doesn't mean that either of us is wrong - perspective is important. This basic fact makes it a little more difficult to untangle whose truth is most pertinent at any time, but it is not a sign of being right, wrong, better or worse.

On that basis, I'm curious if the "planes of existence" thread had a specific experiential basis - in which case, my next question is how did this occur, what prompted it, and what kind of conditions obtained.

But now that you have disowned it, I'm also curious about how you could have not originated the post.

As Alice put it, "Things get curiouser and curiouser."  ;-)

dave

Dave -
 You and I are both fools I suppose for thinking he was pretending to be the author of that.  Maybe it was the absence of any reference to an author?  Maybe it was the chain of rapid emails spamming the forum with lots of information?  Who knows, its a fools' errand I guess.


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It should be obvious to any fool that I was not the author of the Planes and Realms of existence.

It's reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt. But angry messages aren't called for....

well goodness..lets all keep our shirts on...I do remember reading numerous material like the Planes and Realms of Existence because of my background so I knew he had copied it and just wanted to give it to us because we talk about the afterlife here as if we know nothing about the afterlife, in most cases I was suppose thats true.

I was curious of the author of Planes of Existence Alan. say Dave, as i get into Leadbeater, he was affiliated, and wrote a book with Annie Besant, they are belonging to an organization call The Theosophists Society, i believe formed up in England turn of last century.

Planes of Existence, I'm thinking belongs with this group. They also have a book about chakras and thought form colors I have on hand, some books I've carried around since I was 18.

Alan, you might want to gather all your material and put it forth somehow into some articles or e books. I don't have quite the experience you do, but have had lucid type dream obes same as Nanner. Precognition, or dreaming true.

Nanner, lol, I saw two houses I would be living in later, some 18 months later. I also saw some toothbrushes I would buy. HAR!! I mean, it was a lark!

thats only a few things that happened to make me sit up and look around.

we each have our talents and proclivities. one thing I learned here Alan, develop a tougher hide, learn to forgive the insults and be a part of our growing family as we are all in this together and I've enjoyed much of your stuff. love, alysia

Yes, Alan, you have been very generous to share with us as much as you have done, and, as Alysia says, we have all been challenged at one time or another here.  

Please, do continue.

love, blink :)

LaffingRain wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 10:50pm:

well goodness..lets all keep our shirts on...

 Aw shucks, and here i was just about to get nekked :-/   I like being nekked, almost as much as i like wheeling around on my new Heely shoes.   Now if i could just combine the two and not get arrested.....

Hi, people I see to my horror that I have attacked someone and am “”spiritually immature”” for goodness sake! Then who on the forum other than Bruce is mature? I said in a private post to"prav" that as he publicly “first pointed a finger at me in the public forum, so there were three fingers pointing back at him. Now in future if you guys still want me in the forum  "Just for him" I will mend my evil depraved and wicked ways and if any article that I post is not in totality from me I will indicate the source. Sometimes as you, all know this can be difficult because a thread can be a consolidation of different sources.

He said he was a schoolteacher and was used to dealing with immature children. Do my threads indicate to the forum that I am immature and childish He tersely informed that I needed to ‘GROW UP ““”MAN”’’’ FRUSTRATION IS NOT THE WORD... I love you guys but this sort accusation and back and forth unnecessary nonsense must stop and has brought to the point of considering unsubscribing and moving on. '"I don’t like being equated to immature schoolchildren”” for goodness sake! He must confine his schoolmaster attitude to the classroom and not the forum.

I have held considerable "considerably" higher more difficult and responsible work positions in my life than a schoolteacher. I again stress "considerably". He must keep his schoolmaster attitude off the forum. I acknowledge, however, the importance and education necessary to teach schoolchildren. I, however acknowledge that to be a good school teacher one must have a good tertiary educating that I know he has.




However, unlike him, I did not publish what he said to me publicly on the forum and take real “”UMBRAGE”” of being called a “PLAGIARIZER”, a “THIEF’’ of other peoples ideas. Read my somewhat crude blog, and you will see my sources there, long ago. I used the term there for myself "Alan McDOUGall Master Of WISDOM" for fun ""man"" it is my blog and i will call myself anything I want in it







The poem I just posted is by me what has my friend posted to the forum that was his original work and of substance. I looked at his previous threads and could not find anything




I created my crude blog before I joined the forum and as I live in South Africa only got internet broadband in Nov.2007. I think I am a good learner for an old geezer. You will read that nearly all of it is my own work over many years and there is no evidence of plagerisation. Disregard the articles  have transltiierated into Hindi

http://wwwalanmcdougall.blogspot.com

“”””BY ALAN MCDOUGALL”””””

The poem I just posted is by me, what has he posted to the forum that was his original work and of substance. I looked at his previous threads and could not find anything

Regards

Alan

Hi Alan-
I have no idea who is on your case, Alan, but I'm interested in what you have to say, so please stick around and say it.

You arrived with a lot of input and evidently you have a lot of unique personal experiences to share. Between the two, you evidently made an impression. Seems like a good thing to me.  It's a bit overwhelming trying to integrate everything at once, but that's my issue, not yours.

Everyone gets flamed a bit from time to time. No big deal. Consider the source and move along - not all of us are mature adults 100% of the time - myself included.

Now, without making any inference as to anything else, I am still interested in your description of the various planes of existence. The reason I'm interested is that if your experiences correspond to this model, then I'm going to want to know more about the levels and experiences. If not, for example if it's a book model that seems to work sort of vaguely as opposed to specifically, then I can understand it as simply being a matter of viewpoint.

I do regression work more or less professionally (mostly less this season) and have heard a lot of reports on how the spirit world is structured. Some of these are because that's what people actually experienced and came to understand, and some is because people expected something and brought it into their experiences. I'm still interested in how things look, either way.

dave

Alan, remember: darkness cannot penetrate the light, but light can penetrate the darkness...there is no darkness in the presence of enough light.

love, blink :)

Hi alan  I have not read any books apart from Doris Stokes and Derek Acorah and one book on NDE's, everything i get is from spirit,a lot of the stuff whats written,i dont have a clue,but i do beleive that lucid dreaming is actually astral travel,spirit come to me when they feel like it and when they do i write it on here and they do come to me when i ask especially my spirit guide Teresa my catholic nun.There are genuine and non genuine,i think your'e genuine in some of what you write but some i think is probably hyped up  from books you read.the mind is a strange thing,sometimes you could be doing that without even realising it.Sometimes i am not sure whether i got it right ,i just write what i get from spirit as i was taught in circle and my faith in spirit makes me feel deep down that i have got it right.But i still doubt myself

My first real experience of spirit was whispering in my ear,Jesus came in my bedroom one night with Teresa and he layed his hand upon my head and blessed me and we all said the lord's prayer and then Jesus told me to sleep,it was one of the most beautiful experiences i have had in my life so far.

Praise be the lord.


Love and God bless  love juditha

This thread is so bizarre and surreal.  I guess I expected more from a community that should be about love and truth.  Instead the community comes to the defense of a plagiarizer that is incredibly insulting towards anyone who disagrees with him and pretends to be a spiritual giant at the same time.  I have seen such arrogance before as to suggest that his profession (working at a computer) is far superior to mine (teaching).  The logic is flawed, the morality is flawed, the response has been pathetic, and I guess I no longer want to be a part of a community like this.  It has become a place where people are not willing to ferret out ideas that don't hold water and look for truth, rather one that wants to hear from people that parrot new age ideas.

For the record, I never used caps in my letters to Alan, and I never called him a thief.  I simply posted that I didn't believe he wrote that material (which he has since admitted to me and in this thread), and the outrageous negativity escalated at me from that point.  Also for the record, I do have 4 degrees, including two masters degrees, and a bilingual credential in physics and biology.  I am a graduate of UCLA, and the only reason I'm not teaching at a community college level is because one of my degrees was in Interdisciplinary Studies in Philosophy and Religious Studies, rather than simply Philosophy (which was my mistake at the time).  I will start my 3rd master's degree in the Spring.


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I have held considerable "considerably" higher more difficult and responsible work positions in my life than a schoolteacher. I again stress "considerably". He must keep his schoolmaster attitude off the forum.

I find the anti teaching vibe particularly insulting because my wife is a 2nd grade teacher, and I think that her job is far more important than mine because of the impact that she has on the education of children.  Its also ironic, because I had a job working in a cubicle right after I graduated from college, and I thought to myself, what kind of impact on the world am I going to have sitting behind a computer most of my working life?  I ended up becoming a teacher mostly because of these issues.  In addition, this is all an ad hominem attack that is combined with a good dose of arrogance; even granting Alan's premise - that he is more successful, important, and educated than I - why should that make any difference in whether or not plagiarism and incendiary insults are correct?  People used to do this kind of thing in the 60's in the US - 'Don't believe what he says, he's a communist".  Since when did an IT career make one independent of criticism about plagiarism and immunize someone from criticism about parading themselves as some sort of spiritual guru while at the same time being incredibly insulting and arrogant?   What kind of degrees did Jesus hold, and did he ever criticize anyone?

As for the community, the response has been much more pathetic than I ever expected:


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Alan, remember: darkness cannot penetrate the light, but light can penetrate the darkness...there is no darkness in the presence of enough light. love, blink Smiley

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Hi Alan- I have no idea who is on your case, Alan, but I'm interested in what you have to say, so please stick around and say it. You arrived with a lot of input and evidently you have a lot of unique personal experiences to share. Between the two, you evidently made an impression. Seems like a good thing to me.  It's a bit overwhelming trying to integrate everything at once, but that's my issue, not yours. Everyone gets flamed a bit from time to time. No big deal. Consider the source and move along - not all of us are mature adults 100% of the time - myself included.

Did you even read what I wrote Dave?  Consider the source and move along?  You're writing this to Alan in this situation - seriously?  This person just insulted me repeatedly, totally validated what I had been saying about his personal messages, plagiarized, demonstrated some pretty significant arrogance and pretty much all the community can do is encourage him?  You've got to be kidding.

I'm not writing this because I want people to come to my defense at this point.  I wasn't going to respond to Alan's last post at all because I thought that surely critically thinking people can see that he is demonstrating exactly what I was concerned about.  I was wrong.  Oh well, cya... never.  This group's response is far more pathetic than I ever expected.

Hi Prateka I know that he could not have all this knowledge without quoteing what he gets off the net or books,thats what i mean't when  i said he hypes it up alan could not write all what he does with his human brain ,he could not store all  that in his memory without help from books and stuff but some of what he writes is probably some of his own work,if not his brain must be as  good as the latest computer on the market.This my honest opinion of it all,they do say in England "Honesty is the best policy"and thats what i'm doing, being straight laced

We all share love on here and that does not stop just because we are honest,because thats what its all about on here,saying what we each think from the heart,all for one and one for all.None of us on here are perfect and never will be,but thats what makes us human.

Love and God bless love juditha

pratekya wrote on Dec 20^th, 2007 at 5:11pm:

Quote: Alan, remember: darkness cannot penetrate the light, but light can penetrate the darkness...there is no darkness in the presence of enough light. love, blink Smiley

Pratekya,

I would like to clarify briefly for you that my comment was not meant to "defend" anyone or even to reply particularly to anything except Alan's sense of "justice." Basically, I could repeat the same comment to you, but I don't think you would "get" what I was saying in the same way, so I would not say it to you in those same words.

In fact, I am curious about his understanding of "the light," and my comment has multiple layers of inquiry imbedded in it, and is related to another thread of mine, in which he posted a poem. Of course, there is no way for you to know that, except by me telling you this right now.

But, it is clear that a lot of time is being consumed by each of you continuing to "call out" the other regarding supposedly harmful actions.

Why, I wonder? There must be a greater purpose to it all, hmmmn? Or no?

That is also your call.

I will simply say that peace is where it's at, baby. So, I guess, let it all hang out, right? We'll get there.

love, blink :)