I am a normal human being. Anchored. Sensible. Eat organic. Held a responsible job and pay the bills. Don't do drugs, never have.( EXCEPT TO CONTROL MY ILLNESS) TwenThirty years ago, I went into my bedroom to go to bed, climbed on the bed, and in the stage between sleep and wake there appeared three  evil dark "things" in the air, about three feet off the bed--blobs of being which were pure negation, pure "lack",
pure nothing; so much nothingness that to perceive them was horrific.

These were not human, but had being, so they could not have been souless. These were not an illusion, nor were they tangible to the five senses. But they were real, almost
anti-matter blobs of pure destruction.

My own mental state may have invited them in; I was immersed in fear over mental agony brought on by bi-polar depression.They would have destroyed me, sucked all of me into their nothingness. Something Else (Love God) nearby enveloped me, preserved me, and then they were gone.

Maybe this lasted three minutes, much longer than that no human could sustain. I guard my mind carefully these days. Sing much. Try to smile, laugh, delight. When scientists speak of black holes in space, I shudder. If three tiny blobs could be so powerfully negative--think of a space hole. Or were these part of a huge anti-Matrix out there?

That is why I say we must approach OBE's with great care!

Regards
Alan

Dear Alan,

It seems to me only fair, and it would be of great benefit to you or anyone
who has had such an encounter with fear (such as I have had too) to at least try
reading our host's information on extinguishing fear with PUL.

You were free of such fears (of 'evil') during the grandeur and compassion of your
Near Death Experience-- but now has fear crept back in ? You are not alone in this
but you may have to take on the responsibility to change it. This is not a commercial
but I recommend Bruce Moen's books because they are what worked for me.
I found we do carry our own fears with us until we eradicate them with PUL.

I've read your websites and know from your words that you have tremendous Spirit. Such a
strong spirit can carry strong fears, so it is a huge struggle, Sir!  But it's not fair to you to continue
to ask yourself to deal with this burden. Many of us at this website have found a way to deal with
similiar situations---read the books. You have too much to offer to deliver it tainted with such fear.

Bets

Hi Alan,


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That is why I say we must approach OBE's with great care!

We almost do OBE all the night, unconsciously.  So why would it be"dangerous" to do it consciously?

Having fear while doing Obe  will almost create a layer in your mind between the experience and you.  A Christian would see something like demons, while a horror movie fan would see Jason 13th or Freddy...  Or Darth Vader for a Star Wars fan.  

Releasing the associate fear, will clear the layer.  This demon may now appear as a simple confused guy or a little child (often happen when it's an aspect of the self)

Betson, I did not see your post before I wrote mine.  

I totally agree with you!

Alan:

I'll share an experience I've shared before on this forum, because it makes a point.

One night while laying in bed I saw a lifesize heavy metal rocker dude. I could see kundalini flowing within him. He said: "I use my kundalini for evil."

Next I saw a lifesize demonic image of myself.

Next I saw the face of Jesus Christ.

The message was clear, when I go through the kundalini unfoldment process,  I should make certain that I do so with Christ consciousness, love in mind.

The point I'm getting at is that we can use our ability to create any way we want. If love is the direction we choose this is how we will create. Of course, it isn't always as easy as that. We have to deal with the task of overcoming our lower nature.

I can't tell you with any certainty what those three beings you experienced were about.  I believe it is significant that they weren't able to harm you, and here you are 20-30 years later and they still haven't got you. If you continue to grow spiritually and gain assitance from the light, you should be okay.

I agree there is a time where fear recedes during obe to be replaced with PUL, in the beginning of such a thing occurring, its usually not controllable so there is a natural fear of the unknown, as it approachs and this is why Alan expresses he does not feel like a normal person. maybe we need to throw away whatever normal means when on this sort of path to understanding.

you're question Alan is what are these beings that you saw as having independent life outside of your being?

I'm studying that. I have a full report later on, to the best of my ability and would be excited and thankful to share..later...and as you know, words can only say so much.

but briefly there is brought to my attention something called elemental, semi-intelligent matter. I don't know that I call it anti-matter composite, but possibly. will look into that also sometime.

the job of the elemental form is to work it's way into the physical plane, symbolically we can see it as a descending motion into dense matter, the most dense particles we can see as the mineral kingdom. when we see such beings, we fear what we do not understand, so the brain interpretor will produce sometimes an ugly face or figure because fear particles are able to take a thought form. fear, as well love, is a creative facet of the human being to master.

when we see these beings, they are real, but as you say, at the same time, not like a human ego, and they have a purpose to survive as a part of dense matter, but they have no aspirations for the higher planes, and they see humans as being the providers to help them descend further into matter; they gather astral particles around them for their form, which are generated from your emoting of fear, anger, etc.
they only thing they have which is remotely compares with your soul, is the instinct to survive on the astral matter they gather around them..from humans.

they are not evil, and you shouldn't hate them. they are just elemental stuff..its all around us in the air. they are easily to come under your dominion, your will by your further development and the PUL that protected you, is also you, your essence is PUL, you need not fear these beings any more than you would say, a fairy, a ghome, a nature spirit which also has a place in our world.

Also obe is really a pathway and the best way to avoid obe-ing to places you don't want to see, like the lower astral planes (unless you have a job there) is to in the daytime only think about the higher planes of thought, this places the mental obe body above the elementals in the lower astral is the only place they live.
but you already do this by your singing and what not. so keep it up!

love, alysia

Hi Alan-
What you mention, together with your largely Hindu philosophy, reminds me of an image of the three gunas, expressed in abstraction so that their emptiness is evident, and presented as not yet handled, hence work begun and yet to be accomplished. That this would fade in love (bhakta) is reasonable, since that's rajoguna in essence. Assuming this guess is close to truth, the next step would then be sarvastarka samadhi and satchitananda (basic liberation) which seems to be more or less the kind of thing you're experiencing at the moment.

While we view emptiness and voidness as threatening, they remain the origin of whatever we are today. To view their primitive essences would show a sharp mind and keen insight. Whether there is danger in such a view seems to me to be rather like our "instinctive" fear of spiders, without which we would be plagued b many times the number of mosquitos and gnats.

I wonder if since then you have had a vision of three aspects of reality in a beneficent mode?

d

Just to put thing in there true perspectives the episode with negativity I experienced was many years back and I have long overcome this and as you might have read, moved on into love and positivist.

I do not subscribe to any dogma, Hindu or otherwise but transliterate some of my stuff into Hindi so that I can dialogue with that enormous population.

However these three “things” were definitely not figments of me fearful imaginations, but I believe real demons

I  NOW SEE THE LIGHT

Regards

Alan

Hi Strangeme  I had the experience of seeing 3 dark cloaked figures in my bedroom one night as i suffer from anxiety and depression and this paticular night ,i was feeling symptoms of fear and depression,but i just asked God to surround me with his protection of love and light and I imagined this white shimmering light around me and these cloaked figures just went away as always when i commune with spirit i always ask God for his protection of love and light and i know that God's love is with me.

Love light and God bless   love juditha

Greetings,

this recent thread again got me into thinking about a vivid dream I had, there were also three hooded dark entities involved, providing fear, anxiety and cold chills.

Strange, why it has to be three of them, it is a bit contradictory, as three as a number is also involved in "trinity", what is in fact the opposite of "darkness".

A hint of a struggle with faith/believing?

yours since

Hi Alan-
No intention to classify you, although it looks a bit like your background is strong in modern Vedanta - somewherwe between Nisargadatta Maharaj and Ramakrishna.

My response was motivated by numerous images I used to have in which there were three unresolved principles that presented in a very large number of ways, some sinister, some not. They ultimately resolved nto a dynamic representation of what I was experiencing in life, and the problems of reaching satchitananda.

Upon reaching satchitananda I would expect that this kind of thng would disappear, along with the inner self-talk and other self-induced trivia. However, perhaps that's merely a way to suggest that if we refuse to acknowledge evil, viewing everything as non-evil, we live in a place that evil doesn't exist.

I enjoy your posts-

dave