What kind of world would it be if there were sex?Sex is very powerful,and I think very spiritual.Why do we have sex in our lives?I think its a part of God plan,but we sometimes misuse it.It was ment to produse ofspring for our happeness and lovein our lives.I often woundered what kind of world would we have without it.sex is the driving forse of having children,but we dont think of having children while having sex.we dont think of sex when we were kids,because are feelings of sex were not there,but we had fun with with out it.maybe when we pass on,our feelings will be different than they are here.this is only my opinion.maybe the rest of us here might think otherwise.

Maybe we get a choice. Ethereal sex with ethereal bodies, or we can listen to harp music, and play Mah Jong forever. It's an interesting question, you present, George. Some embodied souls don't appear to care for it. Maybe it brings a few people only trouble, since it can become an addiction, with no emotional bonding.  And then other people find a way to elevate it to high spiritual levels, and create emotional and physical balance.

Hi George-

My first thought is that without sex there wouldn't be enough people to have this forum.

As a second thought, I had a patient who recalled being an amoeba in a past life. Maybe we'd all be talking about the erotic effects of salt water on cellular division. That would go along with pornographic movies depicting large blobs of gelatininous substances - And doubtless Jello would be restricted only to adults. For that matter, I wonder if there'd be a distinction between fruit Jello and regular - or would it be "don't ask, don't tell"?  

d

Hi I  sometimes wish i had stayed a virgin,as sex got me where i am now,fileing for a divorce,the only good thing i got out of it is my children
I would rather have a curry and rice once a week,so if sex does not exist in the spirit world,i for one will not complain.

Love and God bless  love juditha

That's no joke, Dave, have seen the gelatin creatures in my dreams.....


dave_a_mbs wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2007 at 6:13pm:

Hi George- My first thought is that without sex there wouldn't be enough people to have this forum. As a second thought, I had a patient who recalled being an amoeba in a past life. Maybe we'd all be talking about the erotic effects of salt water on cellular division. That would go along with pornographic movies depicting large blobs of gelatininous substances - And doubtless Jello would be restricted only to adults. For that matter, I wonder if there'd be a distinction between fruit Jello and regular - or would it be "don't ask, don't tell"?   d

Juditha, I'm glad it doesn't have to be either/or, but can be "and".....

fellow curry lover, blink :)

jello sex..hehehehe :) curry rice experienced in taste bud chakra, say confuscious, while sex experienced in different chakra continue Confucious.
man not live by jello consumption alone... :D

Juditha sex without love is like a meal with no salt, very bland indeed.

George: in the bible, if u are inclined to ponder that antique, it says man and woman are as one and not to put them asunder.
I haven't looked up the word asunder yet, but I think it means don't put these that are one, as under. or under, like don't put them down when they join.

meaning, no sense passing around judgment on them.

another ponderous thought approaches..ha...what if in spiritland, there were all these blokes and they were One, both male and female were they but each had male and female traits, like dave's wonderful omoeba item.

sooooooo..then they were floating by Earth station one day, as there didn't seem to be much else to do...and they all conspired to become physical, split themselves into halves, so to speak, in order to experience life on physical dimension.

so now George, you have enlightenment exactly why your wife is your "better" half.
or, maybe, u r the better half! or maybe...hmmm. another profound thought! maybe you two take turns and there be no competition, but love makes whole.
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LOL Alysia. I think Plato beat you to it with your story - great minds think alike? :D I seem to remember he told a story about how all beings were both male and female to start with and then they split up, and the sex urge is the lonely halves wanting to get back together again with their missing bit. I think he had an explanation for gay men and lesbians too. I think their originals kind of had a double dose or male or female! Something like that.

PS "assunder" just means "apart" -- ie. when man and wife are married no one should try to split them up, by trying to seduce one of them etc

Personally i think life would be simpler without sex. I was very happy as a child without it, and think humans could still express physical love and affection without it

I fully agree, sex without love is bland indeed, Alysia. Cold blooded f*ing. Love without sex can be made to work quite well, though, especially if it has a spiritual basis.

I tend to be a bit flip with people's sexuality, because we change sex about as much as we change clothing. If anyone is offended, please forgive me.

In regressions I always discover some lives male, others female, and a few others in between. While the specific traits that cause homosexuality are still unknown, all mammals seem to have "aunts" and "uncles" who assist in the rearing of the young, but do not themselves bear of beget infants. There's nothing really unusual except for our social issues. The causes are more complex than simply having more testerosterone or estrogen, or more X or Y chromosomes, and involve brain structure and other things. I've been toying with the idea that sexual changes may occur over a period of more than one lifetime, which would be a reason to be partially one sex and partially favor the other. This is something that should be available from regression data, but the homophobic bias of our society seems to make this difficult to discover.

As for currying sexual flavors, I see no reason to feel that a little garam masala poured over the appropriate parts would be a problem. Of course what we view as "good taste" is an issue - ;-)

d

:) You guys and your curry!

It brings the 1972 movie 'The Adventures of Barrie McKenzie' to mind - it was maybe a predecessor of Crocodile Dundee, but made him appear refined: http://dvd.ciao.co.uk/The_Adventures_Of_Barry_McKenzie_DVD__5910894

Barrie was a rough Oz outback type travelling in Europe who liked beer, curry and Sheilas. The scene that stuck in the teenage minds of myself and a group of friends who saw it in Dublin at the time was where when demanded by this Kama Sutra waving sophisticated European lady that he get into bed and love her Eastern style.......

........ he downed his beer, flung what was left of his take away curry down the front of his Y-fronts and did so.

It seemed awfully daring and humorous at the time

daring yes Ian, too bad TV is not reality, we wouldn't be so constipated about talking this subject. although we don't do so badly on this thread.

Oliver, thanks for definition of asunder, sounds way more logical than mine, and I knew I could count on you as I think you've read much stuff.
according to my spell check Oliver, one S in asunder is sufficiently correct. and if you put two S's like u did, it means ass under.
ah....... ;D


somebody else here mentioned I had Plato leanings Oliver. I wonder if Dave will regress me, so I can find out for sure, I was probably his housekeeper.

the fact is I already have enough lives to deal with. it gets confusing after the 3rd one. :)

the funny thing is we would all cease to argue the world over, if we knew everything we've ever thought up, somebody else thought it up first..every feeling of any depth, somebody else already felt that depth, everything thats gonna be said, its already been said. so now we can go out on the town and eat some curry!

so that doesn't keep me quiet now does it?  :D gotta dance!

Hi aylsia,dave,vajra and blink My favorite is chicken curry rice and beansprouts,goes down a treat,i remember in my last year at school,my teacher told me to always keep both legs in one stocking, only wish i had listened,should have stayed on the curry,did not know curry is used for other things,hmm curry and sex,it would really spice things up a bit i suppose,but then sex is highly overated,dont take any notice of me,i'm just rambling on,i'm on a downer at the moment  ::) and i'm feeling slightly anti-man.

Love and God bless  Love juditha

;) Don't worry Juditha. Your sense of humour is intact. You'll be fine......

yes you'll be all right Juditha, time has a way of healing wounds dearie, trust me on this one. its important not to blame yourself because you'll figure it out later, what went wrong and why, then all the hurt goes away.

(I'll try to keep in mind this is an afterlife topic board, watch me bring the subject to that, hehehe. wait. I can!)

so as I was saying Juditha, girlfriend in England, guess what happened to me once?
I took a guy into my home, I fed him curry burritos, yes, strange, I know, but thats all I knew to cook. then one day he said alysia, you are playing house. then he grins like ha! I found out your game.
I was crushed. we broke up of course but the reasons for our non compatibility issues I would not find out for years..so thats why I say be patient and the answers will wipe your tears away.

so, later, I wrote a silly song called honey, want a burrito?

only I meant a real burrito, lol. I didn't put both legs in a stocking either lovey.

now whats all this got to do with the afterlife?  I think it's because we gave our love away, and that even the sad relationships are important to go thru because we did try, now didn't we give it our best shot? they always ask on the other side how well did you love?

love to you! alysia

Wow, Juditha, I went to my nearby corner grocery yesterday and found crumpets in the cold case.

I bought some and took them home and so had crumpets for the FIRST time last night! O  M  G  !!!!!!!!!

They were wonderful, even better than the Dr. McDreamy show (House fan here) I was anticipating.

It was some kind of genius who figured this one out, with the butter dripping through....

I could just go on for hours and hours, but I won't.

hee hee, love, blink :)

Hi Blink Thats great you like the crumpets,its made me hungry now,i will have to have some crumpets now for my supper.
The Dr McDreamy show sounds great,its not on our english tvs,it would be nice if it is oneday
Crumpets for my supper
Crumpets for my tea
I like crumpets anytime
I dream of crumpets on the sea
Crumpets for all and for me :)

Hi aylsia I am going through a lot of emotions at the moment and i realise what you say is right that time heals wounds and thats what i will do now ,give my self time to get myself together and let the wounds heal.I remember this boyfriend ,i had when i was a girl,i could not cook at all as my mother would not allow me in the kitchen,so when i cooked him liver and onions,he could not e ven cut it,it was that hard,the fork bent,we finished a week later,never new really whether it was me or the liver.

Hi vajra   Im glad i made you laugh and i'm glad i kept my humor as laughter lifts the soul.

Love and God bless you blink aylsia and vajra    love juditha

Juditha said: never new really whether it was me or the liver.  

i'm glad i kept my humor as laughter lifts the soul.
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thats the spirit honey pie, now maybe I will change my tune someday, but its been really difficult for me in my life to actually take these relationships too seriously, as the rate of our own divorce statistic will show us, we need to go to marriage college before getting hitched up. Juditha, same here, I see u picked up on my cooking too. I too thought later, my burrito is the final straw for him!!

Alysia

Oliver, thanks for definition of asunder, sounds way more logical than mine, and I knew I could count on you as I think you've read much stuff.
according to my spell check Oliver, one S in asunder is sufficiently correct. and if you put two S's like u did, it means ass under.


;D bah! you are right, too! I thought it would be a British English/American English thing, but no, just one "s"  >:(   that looks like it would be pronounced "azunder" to me, but then English isn't always logical!


somebody else here mentioned I had Plato leanings Oliver. I wonder if Dave will regress me, so I can find out for sure, I was probably his housekeeper.

so modest! :)

Without a doubt, no mystery there, it was the liver. In the kitchen. And the onions were in on it.

Those were the culprits, for sure, Juditha.

love, blink :)

Hey! I'm always up for a bit of crumpet.

Curry is good for you - the turmeric does good things for the gut, but needs a bit of pepper to activate it.

Alysia, I personally don't actually regress people. All I do is to suggest that they relax, pay casual attention to my voice, and allow themselves to go to whatever events are important. Then they regress themselves. But if I told everyone that, they'd realize that I'm not a necessary part of the process, and they'd handle their own problems. That would put me out of business as a therapist. It's like the dilemma that priests have - their whole raison d'etre depends on sin. Or as another analgy, what can a general do when peace breaks out?

As for being my housekeeper, what have I done to deserve that? Or, more to the point, after my dissolute and scurrilous life, what could you have you done to get stuck with me? - Still, I can imagine you cleaning in one of those little maid costumes that are made out of a yard of lace, and very little more. I also can imagine a roundhouse right cross admonishing me to keep my hands to myself.

I think I'll go back for more crumpet, thanks anyway. But if you have some nice dumplings, I'll be glad to check them out as well. ;-)

dave

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Spiritual intercourse would mean something more specific than universal charity. It would be special communion with the sexually complementary; something a man can have only with a woman and a woman only with a man. We are made complete by such union. The souls in heaven must still take on the aspects of male and female to make spiritual merging and the ecstasy of merging with another compatible soul joyful and glorious

The relationship need not be confined to one in Heaven. , monogamy is for earthly union.

The relationship may not extend to all persons of the opposite sex, at least not in the same way or degree. If it did extend to all, it would treat each differently simply because each is different-sexually as well as in other ways. I think there must be some special ``kindred souls'' in Heaven that we are designed to feel a special sexual love for. That would be the Heavenly solution to the earthly riddle of why in the world John falls for Mary, of all people, and not for Jane, and why romantic lovers feel their love is fated, ``in the stars'', ``made in Heaven''
But this would differ from romantic love on earth in that it would be free, not driven; from soul to body, not from body to soul. Nor would it feel apart from or opposed to the God-relationship, but a part of it or a consequence of it: His design, the wave of His baton. It would also be totally unself-conscious and unselfish: the ethical goodness of agape external, and without selfishness or animal drives.
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We know Heaven by earthly clues. Let us try to read all the clues in earthly intercourse. It has three levels of meaning: the subhuman, or animal; the superhuman, or divine; and the specifically human. (All three levels exist in us humans.)

Specifically human reasons for intercourse include the desire to express personal love. As to the first, there is no marriage in Heaven. As there can be no wrong in heaven spiritual, union between souls like soul must happen.

I think there will probably be millions of more adequate ways to express love than the clumsy ecstasy of fitting two bodies together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
This spiritual intercourse with God is the ecstasy hinted at in all earthly intercourse, physical or spiritual. It is the ultimate reason why sexual passion is so strong, so different from other passions, so heavy with suggestions of profound meanings that just elude our grasp. No mere practical needs account for it. No mere animal drive explains it. No animal falls in love, writes profound romantic poetry, or sees sex as a symbol of the ultimate meaning of life, sexuality is a foretaste of that self-giving, that losing and finding the self,. That is what we long for; that is why we tremble to stand outside ourselves in the other, to give our whole selves, body and soul: because we are images of God the sexual being. We love the other sex because God loves God.

In addition, this earthly love is so passionate because Heaven is full of passion, of energy and dynamism... Earthly sex is the shadow, and our lives are a process of thickening so that we can share in the substance, becoming Heavenly fire so that we can endure and rejoice in the Heavenly fire of eternal spiritual sexual union with any soul mate we desire.
Please I am not being dogmatic on this topic but just put it out there for discussion and dialogue.
Alan

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I personally like Alan's approach, bordering on Tantrism with a little common sense tossed in. The poetry of expression catches the emotions nicely. I think I would like a little more "because of" along with the "this is how it is", but that's my attitude as a non-poetic thinker who has little faith in feelings.

d

u can't tell me u don't have feelings Dave, but u can tell me you don't think they're important.
emotions are tied into those critters we call belief systems. but surely I don't tell u anything new about emotions.

I wasn't clear when i get flippant. Oliver mentioned I sounded like Plato's ideas. and I then wondered again (I wonder this often) if I was alive and kicking in that era of Plato, so I got cute and said I was probably Plato's housekeeper.

It just occurred to me, it seems men don't express emotions very good, not in my experience, maybe thats because men are mostly left brained critters and women right brained? oh heck....we're in trouble then.

why can't men just accept burritos every single night and as well, pretend like they enjoy burned liver? then everything would be ok.  ;D

Oliver, have some tea and crumpets! Blink, could you pass the strawberry jam?

love, alysia

that was interesting Alan.  :)

I find it interesting when the conversation turns to sex on this board. I often read about the going to heaven and the sexual act being between man and woman there. This confuses me to some extent. I live happily with my wife and am what is called straight . I don't think that when Bruce wrote of his trips to the rock on the lake his experiences were like sex here on earth. His outie in her inny sort of thing. My understanding of the thing was the feeling of the generated love/PUL. The closest being the feeling of what he experienced during sex. Like when the pheromones are released during orgasm. That feeling of compleat satisfaction and fullness. To me the whole man ,woman thing showes the connecting still being strong with the in body state. I have felt the same feeling when shairing an OBE with a male friend who I went to TMI with. It wasen't sex. It was the PUL and the knowing that it was shared and without reservation. There was no body connection in my experience. Only the feeling of the same gratification I have felt through my experience of sex and shared love with my wife. The intertwining of our energys was so much more than what earthly sex has to offer yet sex feelings is one of the only things even close to relating to what I felt at the time. By the way, I have shared the feelings with a in body female also.
Would that make me spiritually bisexual  ;D
Joe  

possibly Joe!  :) u described it perfectly that there no inny outee thing  :)

I have not felt it out there with female polarity myself but PUL is PUL, and I just see our energy forms as fluid and float thru each other's fields like spiraling flow of the dna strand a bit. so same as you. then I've seen it as a hug. then one time standing apart some PUL energy went into top of head, first I was speaking and sending it then he returned it to my head, didn't seem like sex, but same type of "we are one" feeling of awe actually, just seems a bit like family reunion type of PUL along with the happiness.
I wouldn't be surprised the same sex merge time to time in PUL as I believe our essence can choose our gender orientation, thats what our century is all about, to accept the statement the gays are making.
I see your understanding is accepting of our society. not so in many quarters. love, alysia

Dear All!

A chapter out of my account of the afterlife.

I  enquired as to  whether we similar experienced pleasures in the spiritual realm as we do with our mortal bodies while on earth such as, good food, mortal love touch, taste, smell, sight, sex, would this all be lost if we took on ethereal or spiritual bodies. What about our friends, family, lovers, soul mates? Travel, homes etc, etc, etc what about boundaries of conduct was anything forbidden if sin was abolished? As there would no longer be evil or sin in heaven, nothing would be forbidden and we would be able to experience ecstasy, bliss and sublime joy as we mingle and merge completely with any one we wish. It is much and completely more intense, sustained and beautiful complete and wonderful than anything we could remotely liken to on the earthly plane. It is indeed very very exiting! Totally beyond the imagination of any mortal Then a total mystical union with the divine will become the norm and unions between spirit

Love

Alan  8-)

Greetings,

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As there would no longer be evil or sin in heaven, nothing would be forbidden and we would be able to experience ecstasy, bliss and sublime joy as we mingle and merge completely with any one we wish.

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Totally beyond the imagination of any mortal...

But if it was like this, then I ask you Alan, what is the point of the afterlife? If human bound feelings are just taken to a higher realm, the only change lying within change of the body and increasing intensity?
What would be the point of heaven, if everything is just allowed? Why then having e.g. moral codes like the ten commandments to live by, if the aftermath is bound to doing whatever one want. To exaggerate what you said, killing in heaven would be possible, you know what I mean, this is just not reasonable.
It is apparently not, what the afterlife is about.
If the afterlife is the place for the transcendent parts of human nature, mind and soul, why are there so much tries to harrasingly merge human desires and body-bound behaviour and the afterlife?
Why always the same, determine the afterlife being an area, where joy and ecstasy should play a big role?
I might play the one man army again, but for me, all of this is wishful thinking.
There would be no point for the afterlife to exist, if it just allows every kind of freedom in human terms.
Do never forget that our measurements do not play a role over there, so why expecting that the afterlife provides ecstasy, bliss and joy? How could one know, if it can be judged as being beautiful and wonderful, when never having experienced the full spectrum of the afterlife (though, that might be just possible after transition).

Maybe a mystical union with the divine and between the large number of souls, but apparently in another way, than we can explain in human terms?
Isn't it more reasonable to get introduced to a higher state of awareness, thinking and knowledge, that is apparently not bound to the determination of human thinking? Like being introduced to the essence of life itself? Seing where the earthly tries for fitting into the big picture were good for? Cheesy as it sounds, being part of the ultimate truth. I do not see the need for any earthbound desire to exist in the afterlife, if human term thinking is not needed anymore?!
One could also argue, why taking an outlook on wisdom, but look, widom is the only thing that you can fully raise and enlarge at will. Feelings don't happen at will (but can be drained away at will), they play ball with oneself. As they are vague, and unconstant, I cannot believe that they could be the base plate for the existence in the afterlife.
For me it also sounds more reasonable to focus on knowledge beyond earthy existence, as the universe is like a mass storage device for knowledge.

If the afterlife would be just being the same person, with the same worries and desires, just put into an energy ball, it would make less sense.

yours sincerely,

pulsar