One of my friends, whom i work with on a regular basis, could see auras for most of her childhood, up to about age 13.  

 We were talking about auras the other day, and i mentioned the pure White Light, and to my surprise she said she once saw an almost pure White Light aura.  

 This was while attending the church her family used to go to.  She said that they would sometimes have guest speakers come to their church.   One was an 80 year old or so lady who had been involved with missionary work for most of her life--she was a nurse.   She had gone to a very poor African country while in her 20's, and worked and lived there for almost 60 years of her life.   My friend wasn't so sure how much of it was due to religious work or upbringing, or her being a nurse, but she remembers her talking a lot about God and i'm sure for her to be there at the Church to begin with, she must have had some kind of Christ oriented belief system.

 Anyways, she said the aura around her was unusual in various ways, first off it was more radiant and pronounced than most of the auras she would see.  Second, was that it was almost pure White Light except having little patches, spots or areas of deep blue as well.  

 Dunno, when she told me this, i felt very heartened by it.  I told her that lady must have been very close to enlightenment and pure Source attunement, and this probably came about living her life so much for others (the greater self) and so little for the seemingly separated selfish self.  She was one who truly lost self in service and gained her real self, after the pattern of Christ himself.  

 I guess part of the reason of why it was such a heartening story to me, was that it made it all seem reachable and attainable--not some far off or unreachable development.  

 Conversely, my friend said that some of the preachers she had met, had very red and more narrow auras.   I wasn't overly surprised by that.

Thank you for sharing Ahso. I enjoyed this. I don't see auras.

How about lights of love. Have you seen any really pure auras?

The short answer is yes in healers that are clear enough to run golden white energy and also in all people as they approach old age.  In each stage of life higher, finer energies filter through the aura.  As one ages, white light courses through their being and increases their affinity with the spiritual world as they prepare to leave this world. This is a natural process for everyone.  

Yes, nice story Justin.  I'd say since this woman's aura was radiant that she was also in very good health with much love and goodness flowing through her.

Kathy

Hello,
is it possible to see auras in a, physically spoken, lightless surrounding?

Spooky

 Your welcome Recoverer, and thanks Kathy.

 Spooky, i don't really know, i've only seen auras in a physical sense a couple times and these were under more controlled settings--low lighting, neutral color backdrop, clothes off, and went into meditative-hemi-sync type mode.  In those cases, i saw what i interpreted as the emotional and mental "levels".

 The etheric level though, i've found is rather easy to see, kind of general glow about people or other living things, and the healthier the person the easier to see, but while this is 'part of' the aura, its not what i consider the aura (this seems easiest to see in somewhat bright artificial light).   For example, when someone says someone has a lot of deep blue in their aura, they are usually talking about the 'mental' level of energies which correspond to our deeper character and mental tendencies.   However, if someone becomes really angry and someone says, "you have a lot of red in your aura right now", they are talking about the emotional layer.   The mental layer is much more constant and stable than the emotional.

 As far as all older people having more radiant auras, and all that, i definitely don't agree at all.   While i don't usually see auras, i sense them well enough, and i've met plenty of older people whose auras were rather slow vibrating, muddy, and leaden particularly in the mental part which is the most important part in talking about auras--the part that corresponds to our deeper character and our most consistent, strongest thought and emotional tendencies in this life.   And our spiritual ideals or lack thereof, also shade into the mental 'layer'.

 What i would semi agree with is that, when a person is nearing the transitions from physical to nonphysical, in a more slow or pre-known manner, then the aura tends to start to 'lighten up', and the colors start to shift to the faster vibrating, more clear, and oft more radiant.   It's as if they have started to shift more into the faster vibrating bodies of their emotional and/or mental bodies, instead of concentrating so much in the physical and etheric as so many do, so often.

 However, becoming old, does not mean people start to become saint like, and only those who are saint like within, will express or radiate a saint like aura, like the lady i talked about in the above.   The aura, particularly the mental level, is just a reflection of who you are, your character, how you live, your degree of spiritual development.    It's the etheric and physical which more directly shows your health and vitality levels.   Most everyone's emotional levels are constantly shifting according to mood (unless one is unusual and keeps a pretty steady and consistent mood), and this is the 'interface' between the slower vibrating etheric level and the faster vibrating mental level.  

 My friend had seen many auras, both of younger and older people, and this particularly lady's aura really stood out and in more than one way, out of all the auras she had ever seen.   It may be partly that she was close to transitioning from the physical to the nonphysical, but i get the sense and its also logical to assume, that her aura was like this because of how much and how consistently she had given of self to others with little or no thought for the little self.  

How many people have devoted some 60 years of their life to helping those in need (and in extreme, potentially dangerous conditions), and with little or no material compensation?    She was a "Godly" woman and a service oriented Soul, and her radiant, White Light filled aura just simply reflected this fact.  Physical age oft has little to do with spiritual development in the more expanded sense...if anything, someone living a very spiritually intune life, and with a good balance between the physical, mental, and spiritual energy systems, and who has dropped certain limiting belief systems....well such a person will stop aging to begin with and they won't have to transition like most do!   Aging is a sign of illusion living, and lack of holistic balance.

honest question - isn't being selfless a detriment on earth instead of a good thing???  you could say brushing your teeth is a selfish thing - that's time you could spend helping poor people.  or saving money is a bad thing - that's money that could be spent on poor people.  i don't understand why doing something contradictory to the "rules" of earth necessary for our personal survival and well-being is a good thing?   of course i understand why extreme selfishness and greed is bad, but must we swing so far the opposite way?  we're brought into the world as selfish babies crying for milk.  must we go against our very nature?  

in fact our whole economic system is based on the reliability of human selfishness.  if you need food, the grocery store isn't going to decide to be generous one day and just give them to you... a surgeon isn't going to operate on you out of kindness... it seems to me a life of charity could result in death, sickness and poverty for the charitable person.  why, then, do we reincarnate as dirty greedy humans, just to be expected to act the opposite of human-like?

the_seeker wrote on Nov 14^th, 2007 at 12:01am:

honest question - isn't being selfless a detriment on earth instead of a good thing???  you could say brushing your teeth is a selfish thing - that's time you could spend helping poor people.  or saving money is a bad thing - that's money that could be spent on poor people.  i don't understand why doing something contradictory to the "rules" of earth necessary for our personal survival and well-being is a good thing?   of course i understand why extreme selfishness and greed is bad, but must we swing so far the opposite way?  we're brought into the world as selfish babies crying for milk.  must we go against our very nature?

 You are asking questions which has taken my whole life to figure out, from a synthesis of deep experiential knowledge gained from deep challenge and suffering in this and other lives, reading various spiritual literature, etc.  
Actually, i don't believe there is such a thing as "selflessness" in the ultimate sense.   I believe one either lives for the greater connected Self, or the seemingly separated, little self.    It's like the whole ocean and drop of water analogy.  When the drop of rain is not connected to the ocean, it has no power of its own, but it when it rejoins it has all the power of ocean behind it.  We are very similar to that drop of water, and the physical is the level of consciousness in which it strongly facilitates beliefs in the illusion that we are all just drops of water running around by ourselves and that there is no ocean to rejoin to.

 Why should one live more for the more Total and connected self...  Quite simple really, when one lives and acts for this Self, it tends to bring abiding, non dependent on anything outside of itself--joy.   When one lives for the seemingly separated little self, particularly if at the expense of another or the collective...well this brings suffering and pain to the individual self, and oft to others as well.   I believe we will always have our individuality, and will always have some measure of individual self awareness...but at the same time, to me, there is no separation of me and others.   There are 'differences', but no real separation.  


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in fact our whole economic system is based on the reliability of human selfishness.  if you need food, the grocery store isn't going to decide to be generous one day and just give them to you... a surgeon isn't going to operate on you out of kindness... it seems to me a life of charity could result in death, sickness and poverty for the charitable person.  why, then, do we reincarnate as dirty greedy humans, just to be expected to act the opposite of human-like?

 Yes, this seems to be largely so, doesn't it.   Maybe all the hoopla in various belief systems about the future 'changes' is just about the eventual changing of this pattern?   Maybe we will be seemingly forced (or rather cajoled) by seemingly outside catalysts to live in a more unity, collectively giving type way?

 Maybe its the above reason that causes all the human suffering in this world?    Maybe you have to understand exactly what the physical is, and how it came about, before you could fully answer those questions for yourself?   Maybe what we call the physical, is the eventual result/projection of mass/collective spiritual error, and thus is based on and strongly facilitates illusions and illusionary perception?  

 Maybe only doing a radical 180 degree turn from same (like Jesus or some other spiritual teachers did), and the so called natural way and pattern of the Earth, is what gets us to reality and above all...that which we all seek--abiding happiness?
  I've found for myself, over and over again that the pleasures of the Earth and of the seemingly separated little self are very temporal and dependency creating in nature.   I've found that the fruits of the Spirit are more lasting, and don't require anything outside of myself to spark that pleasure.   Even plenty of more material oriented studies have show that both giving and positive thoughts about others will cause one's brain to release feel good/pleasurable chemicals.   Now, if that is true from both an energy/spiritual perspective, and from a more material, bodily perspective...wouldn't it then make sense to start living a life of giving, positivity, and of service if one wants to be more happy?

 Maybe when you give to others, you are really just giving to yourself in an indirect way?

 Seeker, the truth of all this is really easy to gauge for yourself.   Lay down and take a moment to be still.    

  Start thinking and feeling some really negative thoughts and feelings about and towards others.   Notice how you feel after.  


  Then later, start thinking and feeling some positive, kind, and compassionate thoughts and feelings about and towards others or about Creation or the Creator in general.   Again, notice how you feel after.  

 Is there a difference between these?    Is there a difference between the feeling generated when someone strikes out in anger, arrogance, or negativity of some kind towards another or conversely that warm glowing feeling when one does something kind for someone else with no thought of return?



 Maybe the only difference between those who are said to be "spiritually developed" and those not so, is that the former have noted the differences between these and take it a step further and seek to consistently live the former.   In a sense, they are as 'self serving' as the selfish, and negative acting person but in a more universal and all encompassing sense.  

 It seems that many people on this site, have realized the difference between the above comparison and the very real difference between the feelings when one lives for the greater self or the seemingly separate little self.   Maybe some of us, have started to live former so much that we are starting to transcend suffering, and starting to live and operate from a space of much more consistent happiness than the average human?

 Why is it, that out of all the people i've met in this life, its the ones i would call "spiritual" service souls who seemed to be the most consistently and deeply happiest ones i've met?   Why is it that when i was younger and much more self centered and self focussed, was i so much unhappier consistently (actually i was rather depressed for awhile), and now that i focus less of the s.s.l.s.  and more on the Greater, more Total Self, i am much more consistently happy and joyful in attitude?    It's certainly not from money or anything material.   I'm pretty poor by american standards and usually barely have just enough to cover the basic necessities and more basic bills (my i-net being one of the more luxury items, occasional renting of movie, and barely had enough for 1 reduced in price TMI program).   All in all, i mostly just spend my money on food, utility bills , rent, or others.  Why then do i feel so happy and joyful so much of the time when materially i don't have that much as compared to my fellow Americans?

spooky2 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2007 at 9:20pm:

Hello, is it possible to see auras in a, physically spoken, lightless surrounding? Spooky

Hi Spooky,

Yes it is possible.  When viewing auras in any kind of light, one is using both the physical and non-physical eyes.  I have seen auras for over 30 years and have studied and worked with these energies for nearly as long.  These energies are actually a part of our physical world.  They penetrate through the physical body.  I have several posts regarding this both here and at Linn’s.

The state of one’s aura varies greatly depending on countless things.  It is a popular idea that the colors of the aura relate to one’s spiritual maturity, however that is only somewhat true and not in the sense that is commonly thought.  Our energy bodies carry spiritually intended life experience and as a person matures from birth through the death process, that person is able to tolerate finer, higher energies as their life progresses.  When we are born we are not fully incarnated into the body.  Incarnation is a lifelong process where the higher spiritual energies affect experience through each of the stages of life – birth, early childhood, adolescence, and so on to old age.  The older we become, the higher and finer the energies.

The golden white light filtering into the aura as one approaches old age is made up of consciousness that includes spiritual purity, innocence and wisdom.  When this natural process is understood and allowed to unfold within the psyche the person is filled with serenity, innocence and love, which begin to permeate their entire being.  This is evident even in those who are dealing with dis-ease and physical illness, which does feel “muddy” stagnant and undercharged.  Still, these finer energies are continually coursing through their being leading them into their next stage of experience and maturity.

Unfortunately our mainstream culture doesn’t always hold a lot of respect for the innocent wisdom old people possess because of these energies coursing through their being.  That is really too bad.  They have so much to offer us.

Kathy

Thank you for the answer Kathy.

You're welcome.  :)

Thank you, J. and Kathy for your posts.
I would love to have this visual ability, but I only can see those average types of "auras" which are caused by known processes of our visual system- when I focus on something in front of a light background, a bright halo will appear after some moments- it doesn't matter if it's my hand or a brick (I think I once tried an exercise Kathy had suggested).
So, if one can see auras in a pitch black room, that's definitely not a result of the known processes in common natural science.

Spooky

spooky2 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2007 at 8:39pm:

Thank you, J. and Kathy for your posts. I would love to have this visual ability, but I only can see those average types of "auras" which are caused by known processes of our visual system- when I focus on something in front of a light background, a bright halo will appear after some moments- it doesn't matter if it's my hand or a brick (I think I once tried an exercise Kathy had suggested). So, if one can see auras in a pitch black room, that's definitely not a result of the known processes in common natural science. Spooky

 Hmmm, i'm sure if there is such an ability, then if you really wanted to, you could develop it.  You seem fairly nonphysically sensitive as compared to the average person.   Who knows though, maybe your Greater self would consider it a distraction for you?   The only reason why i believe that i can sense auras, is that after awhile and enough times telling people their strongest most predominant color in their mental layer, and that almost always matching up to their favorite color...well after awhile and enough times, i started to trust it.   Because, like attracts, begets, and likes/is attracted to like.   This is why their most predominant colors in the mental layer of the aura so oft matched up to their favorite colors.   This, doesn't rely on lighting at all, and you don't even have to know or be anywhere near the person to tune into them and their most predominant energies.  I've done it over the I-net a few times, with just as much accuracy.   In those cases though, i oft also had their birth charts, which helped too.

 Another aura story.  One time, my wife and i were traveling, and we stayed at this really nice hostel in northern VA, up in the 'mountains'.   Had a really nice, and high vibrating energy.   We were sitting in the foyer relaxing, i was reading a book and Becky had found one of those magic eye books.   She apparently had never gotten the 3D images before, and so spent quite awhile looking through this book, concentrating hard, and after about 30 minutes or so, she started to see the 3D pictures easily.  She looked through it for awhile longer, and then looked up at me to tell me about it.  

 She was rather surprised to see a bunch of colors around me, especially around my head and shoulder area, with varying layers, and some swirling a bit.   She said, a cobalt blue color and a purplish magenta color were the strongest and most pronounced, but she also a thinner layer of green, and then more outwardly, a more narrow band of bright yellow.  

 Some skeptics might say that she was just seeing the after image, opposite complimentary colors of the ones she was staring at in the book, but that phenomenon doesn't happen that way.  It's more 'fixed' in nature.   If you say stare at a red color for awhile, after awhile you will seemingly start to see its opposite green if you look away.  

 In my case though, some of the colors fields had movement in them, and there were just too many different colors going on at the same time for it to be the after image affect (at least from what i understand).  What i think might have happened, is that the combination of the long concentration (like meditation) and the hemi-sync like affect of the Magic eye, combined to temporarily open up her nonphysical senses more.    She has a fairly "psychic" or intuitive chart, since she is an Aquarius Sun with strong Aquarius, Capricorn, and Pisces energy, with Uranus and Jupiter strong, Neptune slightly strong.

 As far as older people and all that, dunno, i don't see spiritual development and life cycles so linear as that.  If my long term studies into astrology have taught me anything is that we go in various cycles which aren't necessarily linear and which can go back and forth from slower vibratory energies, to higher, to back, and in different combinations, and its different for everyone. You can see this to some extent, in people's charts, particularly relating to their transit and progression charts, and comparing them to the natal/birth chart.  

 And, i worked as an in home care assistant with elderly folks for awhile, and from deep personal experience, well the wisdom of age is very relative depending on the individual.  Most of the folks i worked with, weren't particularly nice, mature, or spiritually intune.  I find younger children to generally be much more open to the spiritual energies than older folks.   Many old folks (in my experience), are so entrenched in such deep and limiting emotional and mind habits...well that's part of the reason of why they age and die.  If you look at a wide range of people in this country who still support Bush and that administration..well i bet many of them are older folks (some have recently become mad at him because of social security issues, but that is relatively recent).   As far as aging and dying, they seem to stop 'learning' in this plane having become almost a set of fixed mind body habits, and so their Greater selves take them out because it starts to become nonconstructive for them here or rather there is no point for them to stay any longer.

 I repeat, anyone who is truly living spiritually and who has a good balance between the physical, mental and spiritual and who is consciously tapping into those faster vibrating energies of golden, golden white, and pure white light...well these start to transcend aging and dying, unless they have strong beliefs that that's what they are suppose to be doing. They might not completely glorify the body like Christ did, but their physical lives can be quite extended, and this doesn't have to be a conscious thing, usually its more or less automatic.

Supposedly, they dug up the body of St. John of the Cross a couple hundred years after he died, and his physical body was said to be in a unusual state of preservation, and if this is actually true, this indicates the possibility that he was reaching a state or spiritual development which was pretty intune.   Probably quite close to Christ consciousness.

 As far as auras in general, and them relating to spiritual development.... i would agree that its not a cut and dry, black and white issue.  In my experience, it can be a complex mix of factors which indicate spiritual development or lack thereof.  Usually you can't point to one predominant color in the mental part of the aura, and say definitively that this person is very advanced, or very immature.
 Yet, if judged the right way, if many factors are considered at the same time, then yes the aura is quite indicative of our degree of development and this most pertains to the mental layer and to the overall harmony of the entire aura combined.   All the aura is, is a reflection of us in symbolic, more objective 'code'.   The problem or confusion comes in the fact that the aura contains 4 major layers, and some have more or less do with the deeper character and spiritual aspects, and some more to do with the physical body and its state, and some interweave or are a blend of the two.   It can be complex, and yet the principles behind same are very, very simple.   Like attracts, begets, and emanates like, and fast vibrations are more spiritual and closer to reality, and slower vibrations are more materialistic and farther away from reality.  

 Seeing auras, does not mean that one understands them completely or very well.  Just as many people see many colors in the physical world, in nature, and don't really know what they mean or how to translate them.   It's not that much different, except that aura colors are more purely and directly indicative of meaning relating to humans.  Color in nature, and in art, also has meaning but it tends to be more indirect and relative.  

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Maybe when you give to others, you are really just giving to yourself in an indirect way?

yeah i think there's a good argument to be made for that.  i don't really understand how one can be selfishly unselfish, though.  quite confusing.  also i don't understand why God would create us as perfect beings, only to reincarnate for a long time to become more perfect..??  maybe i'll understand this when i die.  i hope!  i know they say it's so God can experience itself physically... but why?  what's the point of bringing all this suffering into play when we could all have just stayed in heavenly bliss???

auras - i've seen them around myself and others if i try and look, but i always wonder if it's something to do with the light or background light or something...  i've never seen a big one, just small auras around people of blue/green

 Dunno Seeker, but those are good questions.  I hope you will find the full answers to them if its constructive for you/the collective to do so.

Spooky, keep practicing.  You’re getting there.  Seeing auras or any other “psychic” ability is simply a matter of learning how to expand your normal senses.  Notice how when you see the light around yourself and objects that your physical eyes are relaxed, not completely focused, but that your main focus and “seeing ability” is through your forehead.  Try also to notice the light around people that are passionate about something they are doing, such as a speaker at a seminar, a pastor giving a passionate sermon, someone singing or someone that has just finished exercising.  All these tend to expand and brighten the aura making it easier to see.  Everyone can feel anyone else’s energy field.  We all use our energy bodies to feel the world and form attachments.  Some of these people will feel you looking at them.  Some will like it, others will give you a look that says to stop.


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She said, a cobalt blue color and a purplish magenta color were the strongest and most pronounced, but she also a thinner layer of green, and then more outwardly, a more narrow band of bright yellow.

It sounds like Becky was seeing the first 3 levels.  The physical level extends through the dense physical body and out from the skin anywhere from a quarter inch to about 1-1/2 inches or so and is varying colors of blue or aqua blue in most everyone.  This level is made up of a matrix of structured lines and duplicates the physical body including all the organs, blood vessels, etc.  The light moves along the lines in a pulsating fashion.  

The emotional energy body surrounds and penetrates through the physical level and the dense physical body.  It is a multitude of colors depending on how one relates to him or her self.  The colors can be clear and bright or dark and muddy depending on how you are emotionally relating to yourself.  Positive and negative emotion can be the same or near same color.  For example, a boy sat in my office joyfully telling me about something exciting in his life that he was doing.  He emotional level was predominately bright clear orange.  A woman expressing (releasing) her emotional turmoil, as she cried and talked about her issues, her second level was nearly the same clear orange color as the boy’s.  I see this type of thing a lot and the colors can be all colors.

The mental energy body that surrounds and interpenetrates the previous ones including the physical body is like the first, structured.  It is mainly lemon yellow that can expand when one is using their mental processes.  A person’s thought forms can also be seen at this level, which can be colored because they are emanating from the emotional level connected to the thought the person is having.  The clearer the idea or thought, the clearer the thought form is.  Habitual thoughts become strong thought forms that can have a great affect on our life.  Mankind is only just beginning to use their mental body in clear and focused ways, but we have a ways to go yet.  Most of us have sloppy minds that go off in all directions a lot of the time.

The astral energy body surrounds and interpenetrates all the lower ones including the physical body.  It is multicolored, like the emotional, only the colored clouds of light are much more beautiful.  This level is about relationships to others and all things in the world.  We are continually interacting with each other and the world using the energies of this level.  Pregnant women usually have beautiful soft pastel colored clouds at this level.  Loving people have this level infused with a beautiful rose pink.  Stagnant energy blockages at this level are thick, dark, sticky and gooey.  The frequency ranges from the astral hells through at least focus 27.  Remember Bruce’s experience where he learned to “see it not there” when he came across this gooey stuff during a retrieval?  

There are also three higher spiritual levels in our aura that correspond to each of the lower physical levels (5th & 1st, 6th & 2nd, 7th & 3rd, and carry within them energies directly related to our incarnation, and our tasks while in the physical.  We are separated from nothing.  I explained in part the consciousness of these on Don’s Heaven thread and I may explain more depending on how the thread develops.  The health of our aura has everything to do with our physical health and well-being and I believe it is into the consciousness of these levels that we are able to travel into the world of spirit by accessing the frequency of those levels/planes of our existence.

I’m grateful if this is useful and helpful.

Kathy

AhSo:

Yes, I thought that too, that some abilities would maybe hinder other, more important things, to be accomplished. We don't know with what those abilities are connected.
 For example, I once asked in a meditation about wizard-like abilities. The answer was, when one becomes a wizard, one had to be ready to deal with nonphysical influences (and not always friendly) 24h7d, because the doors of perception then would have opened; one would have a lot of abilities, but also a lot of duties and new issues to deal with. You have to be solid like a rock, and fine as air for being something like a wizard. And at some occasions, the veil to my own deepest fears had lifted, that wasn't funny, and as long there are fears of some intensity, wizard-like abilities would drive you crazy. So I stated I would think about that lol, maybe in slow step-by-step approach...

Quite interesting what you said about mental colors and one's favorite color.

I have extensively studied colors when I was painting. I purchased a lot of artist's colors. It's really a world on it's own. I quit at some point to read about the symbology of certain colors, when my own impression of colors, and my ability to discern the hues of the different pigments became very strong and so rich, that those color symbologies became too narrow for me.

The last time I saw a bright rainbow I noticed that the low frequency side of the spectrum, red to infrared, and the high side of the spectrum, from deep blue to ultraviolet, the colors were going to similarize again, that's astonishing as they are on the opposite sides of the physical visible spectrum. Of course, they look not the same, the low end is sort of rusty, an LED type of red, while the high side is a more lively-airy violet, or light-but-deep-magenta. But they're both something like "reddish". Maybe that's a symbol for something? The circle is closed or so? The OT sign of the covenant between man and god. As above, so below.

About your experience with Becky, I just noticed, when you look at something and relax your eyes, and defocusing them, as Kathy suggests for practice, then as well I start double-seeing, as the eyes will synchronize for far-away-sight. Something similar you do with these 3-D pictures. So maybe actually defocusing the eyes is good for seeing auras, as it may take as well the focus away from the physical to other aspects of reality.

After images: A professor of psychology told us, there once was an experiment. Probands were asked to close their eyes and imagine as real as they could a rose elephant. Then they had to open their eyes and look at a grey or white screen, and observe what they see with their physical eyes. Some told, they see a greenish elephant. Why that is, is unclear; it's a sort of reversed-after image, where the initial input comes from the mind rather than the physical surrounding. Interesting!
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If there is a difference in what you see around people and (non-living) objects, that would indicate that you're onto something I would say.
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Yes Kathy, the outlook that I, with practice, could see such things as you can is quite exciting! So I think I practice several times a day. There's always time for this little exercise.


Spooky

  Thanks for the further info Kathy, there is a lot there to ponder.  

i forgot who/what book, but one psychic said they saw a particular aura around someone and knew they were going to die soon, and they did

spooky2 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2007 at 10:35pm:

AhSo: Yes, I thought that too, that some abilities would maybe hinder other, more important things, to be accomplished. We don't know with what those abilities are connected.  For example, I once asked in a meditation about wizard-like abilities. The answer was, when one becomes a wizard, one had to be ready to deal with nonphysical influences (and not always friendly) 24h7d, because the doors of perception then would have opened; one would have a lot of abilities, but also a lot of duties and new issues to deal with. You have to be solid like a rock, and fine as air for being something like a wizard. And at some occasions, the veil to my own deepest fears had lifted, that wasn't funny, and as long there are fears of some intensity, wizard-like abilities would drive you crazy. So I stated I would think about that lol, maybe in slow step-by-step approach...

 Yes, i definitely agree, and have had similar, more specific thoughts like the above.  Plus, i believe that in a sense, there is a 'higher psychism' and a 'lower' psychism which one can develop..   It's not so black and white as that, and it seems they can over lap, blend to some extent.    But as regards being that open, both my astrological chart and info i've gotten from my Greater self during dreams, meditation, being lead to other sensitives, etc. all indicate that i was extremely psychic in some "past" lives, and particularly from a linear time perspective, the last one.

  This life in many respects was quite hard and challenging and part of that was just how wide open this self was, and how much others energies sometimes unduly influenced him.  

 This time my G. Self opted for a much more gradual unfolding, and a lot more focus on C1 issues, particularly practical service, health, and jobs, which is why i was born with Virgo North Node and generally Virgo stellium.   At different times, i've had feelings that lots of times, for lots of people "psychic" development, abilities, and exploring can be distractions which cloud or even hinder real spiritual growth which doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with the former.   There can be a lot of ego traps involved with such abilities.


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Quite interesting what you said about mental colors and one's favorite color.

 I also found that this often strongly correlates with a concept repeated in the Cayce readings, which talk about "astrological sojourns", and that planetary positions can represent the nonphysical dimensions most influencing us in the present physical life, and particularly oft times the planet closest to our Ascendant point, and sometimes near the Mid-Heaven represent that dimension from which we directly entered the physical from.   In my case, it's Jupiter and it makes sense that purple is a very strong color in my aura.   Cayce called the planets, and the nonphysical dimensions connected to same--"mental" energies, and in my experience so far these seem to directly connect to the mental layer in the aura.    I've studied the aura from many different angles, and not just the usual ones.  


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I have extensively studied colors when I was painting. I purchased a lot of artist's colors. It's really a world on it's own. I quit at some point to read about the symbology of certain colors, when my own impression of colors, and my ability to discern the hues of the different pigments became very strong and so rich, that those color symbologies became too narrow for me.

 Very interesting, and i kind of know what you mean, probably not to the extent that you do though.  My wife is an artist and art teacher, and its funny how sometimes we perceive or label the same colors a bit differently.  

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The last time I saw a bright rainbow I noticed that the low frequency side of the spectrum, red to infrared, and the high side of the spectrum, from deep blue to ultraviolet, the colors were going to similarize again, that's astonishing as they are on the opposite sides of the physical visible spectrum. Of course, they look not the same, the low end is sort of rusty, an LED type of red, while the high side is a more lively-airy violet, or light-but-deep-magenta. But they're both something like "reddish". Maybe that's a symbol for something? The circle is closed or so? The OT sign of the covenant between man and god. As above, so below.

  The above is very deep!   And i find it very interesting from a few perspectives, but one of the main ones is that Cayce's guides referred to the deeper blues, violets, and purples as "the higher reds" and then regular red, orange, as the "low" or "leaden reds".   I guess one could say that the former colors/vibrations are the transmuted reds, which have the life force and strong will power of the lower reds, but channeled spiritually and more purely constructively?  Not to say that these latter colors are perfection, that would probably be pure white light, but they are starting to get close to that relatively speaking.


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About your experience with Becky, I just noticed, when you look at something and relax your eyes, and defocusing them, as Kathy suggests for practice, then as well I start double-seeing, as the eyes will synchronize for far-away-sight. Something similar you do with these 3-D pictures. So maybe actually defocusing the eyes is good for seeing auras, as it may take as well the focus away from the physical to other aspects of reality. After images: A professor of psychology told us, there once was an experiment. Probands were asked to close their eyes and imagine as real as they could a rose elephant. Then they had to open their eyes and look at a grey or white screen, and observe what they see with their physical eyes. Some told, they see a greenish elephant. Why that is, is unclear; it's a sort of reversed-after image, where the initial input comes from the mind rather than the physical surrounding. Interesting!

 Yes, very interesting, especially the last part.  Never would have guessed that, thought it was only a 'physically based' phenomena.  Maybe the people who did see the green E., were ones who either had a lot of imagination, or who were really strongly attached to physical energies and reactions?

 Yes, the couple of times when i saw auras in the more physical sense, i used the defocus method and kept trying to look beyond the body.   This advice is found in quite a bit of aura info out there and seems pretty commonplace practice.   Sometimes its hard and you want to look at the body, but its kind of like mediation and when something starts to take form in your minds eye..sometimes the first inclination is to really concentrate hard on that forming image, feeling, rote, etc...which can actually dissipate it, but when you relax and let yourself become receptive again it can reappear.   Lot's of time when i meditate and am seeking more specific info, i will give myself a suggestion of something like, "you are completely receptive and relaxed right now, but also aware, alert, and focussed".    It's basically a hemi-sync type state and concept i think--the merged, fully connected right-left brain aspects.  

 I'm not totally sure if i would want to see the aura 24/7.   That other self i talked about, could see aura for much of his life, and as far as i know, it didn't make him any happier--though sometimes it guess it did because he used it to help others occasionally.  But it can be difficult enough sensing and feeling it strongly.   For example i work with a lady who is very attracted to me on all levels, and very much sexually (it doesn't help that she is very frustrated in that area).   It's constantly like red and pink waves coming into my energy field, and i feel myself starting to respond in like, even though i'm not really attracted to her that much in that way, and in any case i would prefer not to have those feelings because it can be very distracting--especially since i'm married!  

 Speaking of wizards, and the like, have you read or like any fantasy stuff?  Ever read Robert Jordan's books, or Peter (last name escapes me, think its French sounding--has a ton of wizard type books?)?    I grew up reading a lot of that kind of stuff, and still like fantasy books but don't have much time for them anymore.   My favorite series of all time, has to be the Thomas Covenant Chronicles (6 books) by Stephen Donaldson...very, very, very deep and moving books.   I remember reading those as a young teen and becoming so immersed in them, that during the challenging/sad parts i walked around totally dejected and sad, as if it was real, or conversely i would laugh out loud and shout for joy.  I was a weird kid needless to say (for a Capricorn Sun, i have a lot of imagination tendencies).

the_seeker wrote on Nov 15^th, 2007 at 11:19pm:

i forgot who/what book, but one psychic said they saw a particular aura around someone and knew they were going to die soon, and they did

 I remember reading or hearing about something like that.   There is a book called Edgar Cayce on Auras, which talks about something like that.   Btw, this book wasn't really written by E.C., but by his friend Tom Sugrue, E.C. just shared a lot of his input and personal experience with aura seeing with Tom.  

 Anyways, Tom talks of a case, maybe with E.C. where Edgar was about to get on an elevator.  Some people on the elevator were wearing some bright red sweaters which stood out to him at first.  But when he was about to get on, he had a bad feeling about it, stepped back, and didn't get on.   The elevator wasn't working right, apparently, and those people fell to their death.  When E.C. reflected on it a bit later, and what had sparked the feeling of wrongness or offness about the situation, he realized what it was, he hadn't seen any auras amongst them.

 Both Kathy and i have talked about a phenomena which happens when someone is dying a more natural death (so called, i don't think death is natural but that's a whole nother can of worms), like from old age, well as they get closer and closer to that time, it seems their auras start to lighten up more and more, become brighter, more radiant or pronounced, and sometimes they start shifting into the higher frequency and more rarefied colors.   To me, it seems almost like they are starting to withdraw their energies from the physical and etheric levels, and starting to shift or concentrate their consciousness more into the faster vibrating emotional and mental bodies.  

Hi AhSo,


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Cayce's guides referred to the deeper blues, violets, and purples as "the higher reds" and then regular red, orange, as the "low" or "leaden reds".   I guess one could say that the former colors/vibrations are the transmuted reds, which have the life force and strong will power of the lower reds, but channeled spiritually and more purely constructively?

"Transmuted reds", I like that, since I have been interested in Alchemy some years ago.
 I have noticed something: The frequency difference between the lowest visible red and the highest visible blue/violet is roughly factor 2 (in most data sheets I saw it's a bit smaller). Now, in audio frequencies, a frequency difference of factor 2 is an octave, which is the interval where we perceive that it's the same tone only higher/lower.

 There are as well some interesting relationships in the radius of the planet's trajectories and musical intervals/chords. For example, I've read that in the area between Mars and Jupiter a trajectory would be on a disharmonic chord, so now there are asteroids instead of a Planet, which once was there some say.

About fantasy stuff, yes I'm a fan of Tolkien. I was so impressed by, and resonated so much with some things in his "world" that I thought there must be some truth in it. Maybe some memories from whereever. Thank you for the literature hints! I currently don't have a novel to read, so I'll check it out.

Spooky

Hi Everyone,

Hi Lights of Love,

Yes, I found your descriptions coming from your direct experience on the subject both clear and easy to understand,
plus interesting, so thank you.

Fyi, Two sources I am familiar with who discuss this and related:

Some key things you have mentioned seem to be consistent with information given by Sri Aurobindo, whose writings have been inspiring and informative to me. If you or anyone is interested, and not already familiar - I would commend your attention to the chapter on 'Visions and Symbols' in "Letters on Yoga Vol II". (see link below) beginning on page 931 and for 60 pages, where he discusses color symbolism including related to auras, as well as the material on 'vision' (ie non-physical) as a general topic, and specific types of visions and symbols that might for instance be useful in dream interpretation, or those experienced in full wakefulness.

for instance (not verbatim):
That many pinks - reddish, rosey - are indicative of psychic love, or spiritual surrender (pure - as with white rose)
White may indicate psychic purity or the Mother consciousness.
There is more.
(note that in Sri Aurobindo's lexicon, 'psychic' is used to denote 'soul' related, not as in psychism a la Sylvia Browne, Edgar Cayce, etc.)

There is also a full chapter on the "Planes and Parts of the Being", which may have relevance to the other topic you brought up, so I will post the link for that material in the appropriate thread. (it is basically the same link, you just have to find the chapter in the table)

Many of the phenomena and issues non-physical explorers frequently discuss on this site are very clearly and in depth, presented in the writings of Aurobindo. The entire 3 volumes of 'Letters' (other writings as well) are available on line for free and can be downloaded in html or PDF format, so here I give the link for anyone interested. When you link, you will get the tables of contents (further linkable to the readings themselves) for all 3 volumes.

http://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/sa/22-24/index_e.htm


Another teacher I am aware of who has addressed color symbolism is Sri Chinmoy, who's book 'Colour Kingdom' was originally published in the 70's. Reportedly, he was so intent on having the colors represented as specific spiritual qualities correct, that he spent a great deal of time at the printer, directly supervising the color quality. The book confirms many of the Sri Aurobindo identifications, as well as making additional ones as well, and some spiritual comments related to each color. In addition, there are some interesting general comments. Among other things, he says, "Pure white light is not the highest color. There is no such thing as the highest or lowest color. Each color has its own highest and its own lowest..." Also he talks about colors changing and having different significance on different planes ie: Gold in the higher regions becoming red in the physical, colors of spiritual masters; another parallel to some discussion here, he talks about strong and saturated color having affinity with outer expression, and finer more rarified and subtle as connected to inner.

At www.srichinmoylibrary.com  you can find the partial text specific to each color, unfortunately no colors, nor the general text.
The below link will allow by further linking on the righthand column, to see both the colors and the spiritual quality embodied (and you will see a few colors that could be called orange there too- all with different meanings), but again, not the full general text which has all the 'interesting' stuff in it. http://www.srichinmoy.tv/tv/121


Hope this is useful,

- u

 Thanks for the further interesting info Spooky.  I've felt for a long time that sound, light, etc. were all connected, and things like what you shared seem to confirm this.

 Thanks for the interesting info Ultra.  For the purpose of clarity, i will address some of the specific ideas or concepts you related.


ultra wrote on Nov 17^th, 2007 at 5:44pm:

The book confirms many of the Sri Aurobindo identifications, as well as making additional ones as well, and some spiritual comments related to each color. In addition, there are some interesting general comments. Among other things, he says, "Pure white light is not the highest color. There is no such thing as the highest or lowest color. Each color has its own highest and its own lowest..."

 I would suggest that perhaps the above author lacks discrimination or full knowledge on the subject.   For example, his comments on the white light.   Both physical and spiritual White Light is most definitely not a color, but rather represents a complete merging and perfect balance of all major vibratory patterns aka which can be perceived as colors, dimensions, etc.  Even science tells us this about physical light, and as above so below--or in other words, physical light is a reflection of spiritual light.

Aura wise, a person or any consciousness that emanates a completely pure White Light energy field, is someone who is complete, who has integrated, merged, and balanced all the major dimensional energies within and without self.  

 Color and color indications on the other hand, signify a relative, incomplete or imbalanced relationship to the White Light.  White Light is the active, creative, "masculine" aspect or energy of Source energy.  It is also the pattern, consciousness, and energy of what some have called "Christ" and Bruce here calls the Planning Intelligence consciousness, which in a sense (from his perspective) is a very large Disc which contains all other Discs in this Universe within it.  
Color represents a relative lack of Source attunement, its represents separative consciousness and depending on the color, to what degree.  The regular reds and oranges of course, represents the most separative type consciousness state or beingness, but it like all colors is part of the Whole, and the Whole is White Light.   True violet, and golden frequencies represent the fastest vibratory energies (that we can physically perceive at least) which are still color in essence.   Close to completion and full Source attunement, but not quite there yet.  

  All colors both physical and spiritual can be measured in terms of frequency or rate of vibration.   The faster the vibration of the color, the more expanded and inclusive in consciousness it innately tends to be--the closer to the White Light vibratory merged/completely balanced pattern.  

 So in a very real sense, we are the ones who create or rather temporarily manifest colors and those vibrations--NOT Source. Colors correspond to ego and ego tendencies.   This is because of the complete freedom of Freewill, and that many of us decided to entertain more separative self illusions over becoming true and full Co-Creators with Source and realizing our full Oneness with all of Creation and with the Creator.   The White Light is the reality, it is the ultimate, it is the alpha and the omega, wheras the colors are just different and non merged aspects of that consciousness and state of being.  

 How and why do i say this...because countless mystics from many different backgrounds and belief systems, not just the vaunted "eastern" ones, all speak of moments of tuning into the full, divine reality, and many of these perceived this reality as an unbelievably pure, radiant, White Light.   Credible modern psychic sources also point to this non relative truth as well, as well as countless NDE's.  It is also found in the bible and some other religious teachings prior to the rash of so called enlightened gurus in our more modern times.  

 Sometimes an "enlightened" consciousness, who normally exists in a pure white light state, when they become more active in service and while interacting with non enlightened consciousnesses, their energy will shift to a somewhat more golden white hue temporarily.   I don't know fully why this is the case, maybe because to some consciousnesses (particularly to most incarnate humans), the pure white light can have almost a 'harsh' feeling to them because of its unbelievable purity and intensity.   Golden energy is more "warm" and connects more to the Heart center.  
A consciousness who remembers the White Light state of being, for it is more a remembering than anything else, these become Co-Creators of other Universes, they phase out of the dimensional paradigms of this particular Universe, into a more raw consciousness state and start to create completely new and unique systems, galaxies, etc. for the pure joy of creating.  At this point, its not about "learning" so much anymore, but more about being and reveling in co creating with Source.

 As regards pink energies, many books on these particular energies, and also my own experience suggest that various pinks correspond more to more personal love, affection, essentially what i would call Venusian type love.   Both pink and green have long been associated with the unawakened or non merged (with all the other Centers) Heart Center (conversely the awakened and integrated Heart center corresponds to more Golden light frequencies and connects fully to the Crown Center).   Venus in turn, has an association in many sources with green and certain shades of pink energy (and to some extent lighter/pastel blue).     In short, pink is still yet a ways from Divine, impersonal, and universal love.  It is yet but a shadow of that more pure and unconditional love.   The love of pink and of Venus is somewhat conditional and emotionally based or oriented.  

 I've known plenty of people with amounts of pink in their auras, and whose charts also had a very strong and highlighted Venus energy (often Venus in 1st, 5th, 7th, and 10th houses).  They were and are very nice, gentle, kind, and giving people, but too attached to whether or not others give in return, or are kind or not to them.   I can also relate to this somewhat, having been born with 7th house Venus,  Libra Moon, and S.N. in 7th.   I've always liked a very bright, medium rose pink shade.  

 Hope this further clarification and holistic reasoning/perspective sharing helps.  

J.M.J./ "S"


p.s. perhaps many so called enlightened gurus, weren't as enlightened as they or others believed about them?  





 

 If anyone is interested, two of the more holistically accurate books i've found on the aura are Auras and Colours by Paul Lambillion and Handbook of the Aura by Laneta Gregory & Geoffrey Triessman.   I don't agree with everything these books say, but that's pretty common with such books and info.  

 I find it somewhat interesting that both above books are written by British authors.  I've heard from a few sources that Barbara Brennan's stuff is pretty good, but i've only briefly perused her stuff, so i can't fully say either way.  And of course the Cayce readings are replete with various kinds of info about colors, auras, and the like, very interesting and in some cases more original info.  The Cayce readings is one of the few and first more modern sources to make strong connections between color vibration indications, Planetary energies, major dimensions, and endocrine glands.  
Btw, of course when it comes to colors and their vibrations, there is really no "higher or lower" since reality is not spatial, but vibrational/dimensional in nature.  Space and linear time are illusions.   However, many credible and more verified psychic sources such as connected to the Monroe Institute (Monroe, Rosiland's Guides, and other explorers from there), Cayce,  Steiner, etc, do seem to indicate plainly that there is such a thing as "faster" and "slower" vibratory energies.  This doesn't translate to an absolute better or worse measurement in a moral sense, however for a suffering being desiring to remember joy, happiness, etc. the more one speeds up their inner vibrations by right use of Freewill, the less and less one will be in those suffering states, and the more and more one will hold and maintain consistent states of joy, peace, and all that feel good stuff.    Isn't that a big chunk of what its all about?  If merging with Source didn't "feel good", then i doubt too many us would do it to begin with.  

 But, above all for those who are interested, i would recommend going within regularly to get info about this stuff, and trying it yourself.   Nor does one have to see auras in a more physical seeming manner to pick up pertinent or accurate info about color or auras.  There is a level, or state of pure intuition that goes beyond much of the more sensory based psychism--which is the most common form in this world.    This former type psychism is Jupitarian, Solarian, the higher aspect of Uranus, and to a lesser extent Neptunian psychism (the more positive aspect of same).    The latter is Lunar, Plutonian, the  more limited and negative aspects of Uranus and Neptune, type psychism.   To some extent, what one uses the most, and most consistently depends partially on ones spiritual development.    Pure intuition is pure knowingness at a deep level, and has both a receptive feeling and an active thought/thinking/reasoning aspect, or in other words it is the merged and fully balanced left and right brain aspects of self.  

Hemi-sync helps a bit in learning those merged/balanced states in a more mental way.  Living spiritually and lovingly helps in all the other ways.  As Bruce says, there is nothing which expands ones perceptions more than both feeling and expressing/living PUL energy (pure unconditional love).

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p.s. perhaps many so called enlightened gurus, weren't as enlightened as they or others believed about them?

Hi Ahso...,

Yes, absolutely.
After reading what you have written, I feel very strongly that this is indeed true.
Thank you for offering this.

- u

ultra wrote on Nov 18^th, 2007 at 2:29am:

Quote: p.s. perhaps many so called enlightened gurus, weren't as enlightened as they or others believed about them? Hi Ahso..., Yes, absolutely. After reading what you have written, I feel very strongly that this is indeed true.

 I bet you do.  ;)


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Thank you for offering this.

 Well then in the spirit of reciprocity, many thanks for the kinds words to and feelings towards me.