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Hi all, I felt the need for some heart to heart talk today so hope you all cut me a little slack and read me with an open heart and give me the benefit of the doubt for a minute.

I am basically promoting TMI here due to the benefits I have derived through Monroe’s and Bruce’s material which help us get beyond our various stuck beliefs into awareness of our unlimited beings we can get in touch with by following some of the guidelines in a sharing manner without judgment upon one another. We do get off track occassionally that we are in this thing called life together.

For awhile we travel here as spirits feeling our limited consciousness and groping for answers of what is beyond us, and we all carry our egos which tell us we must defend our belief systems. In truth we need not feel defensive or vulnerable when confronted with our different perspectives, as I’ve seen on the other side of the veil that we share an equality one and all as the limited egos with the defensive mechanism is slowly dropped off on the other side, and there is this love of unconditionality, like a blanket, it extends over the universe, and that is what I mean about the equality and no need for defensive measures once your work on self gets completed, and opportunities abound in the I/There realms of both C1 and out of body states.

I choose to stick to the term out of body, as it works for me, although it is not a physical location, therefore it is not within the time/space dimension we are familiar with during everyday waking consciousness. You may think of it, the newbies can, of as the mind expands, the awareness of the world and all within it expands symbolically outward in service, a PUL current to see where it may be helpful to alleviate suffering. I have tried to show in previous posts it can be likened to accepting another person you are drawn to, whether this be a retrieval or a simple hello, I love you, we are all connected by thought and effecting of one another as we are all One on this other level. For awhile it does appear we are all separate. Trust me, on the other side you can readily see we share a oneness in intention and harmony and equality and there is nothing to fear on the other side but perhaps the thought here that higher self will yank you out suddenly before you have accomplished your intentions on Earth vacation spot.

We are all sharing subconsciously perhaps, some of us are awake to this, the healing of this idea that we are separate beings and without PUL, and without understanding, yet we have this purpose together of healing the separation. Therefore we should be gentle with one another. Everyone is struggling. Even I struggle although I don’t talk that much about my struggles, I have them. In all your getting, get love. Somebody said this, not I, that’s what you will carry back with you upon transition to the place you started from, your true home.

So I would admonish a simple message, to be sensitive to the sound of love within others and put yourself in their shoes and walk awhile. It doesn’t hurt that much to smile at another person and the rewards are so great.

Thank you Blink for keeping to the sound of love. You are magnificent in your expression.
Thank you DaveMbs, for showing me you can have a sense of humor along the way also.
Thank you Albert for showing me your intense passion, so much so that you would beat your head into a brick wall more than once just to communicate the power of PUL over to the newbies and that you have come in touch with it.
It is also my same passion to communicate this PUL available to all of us.
Thank you Bets for being a good organizer and attempting to keep us all on topic, for the purposes of this board, you saw right away, how we trail off into something irrelevant to the purposes of this great shift in consciousness upon the planet now. I too am sad the book forum is not more full of the wonders that could be expressed there, but maybe in time more people will get into the TMI teachings and Bruce’s many illustrations of exercises which truly work.
Thank you Romain for allowing me to follow your planning in the PE thread, you are showing me a forth rightness I never saw in you before. You make my heart sing brother!
Thank you beautiful and gentle hearted Juditha, always blessing us with god words, keeping to your faith in the basic goodness of the universe and trying to bridge the gap between this world and the next.
Thank you Bruce for putting up a forum for us all, and there’s way too many things to thank you for so you’re going to have to wait until I shake your hand on the other side, when I get there to know of my deep and sincere love for you.
Thank you Pulsar for being so adventurous, for expressing PUL to me behind the lines. I wish I could hug you!
Thank you Oliver for expressing so well all your innermost thoughts in searching manner, your balance between logic and emotion is amazing, I feel you care about others and are starting to express your PUL.
Justin, AhSo, there’s many aspects to you. You have a gift for mankind, you are not giving it yet. You will. You are a healer undeveloped. What you do is work with energies on the inner levels within the various chakras of the human being, you make adjustments. You brought this from another time. Your talent is perfected, you just have to get to the place where you recognize you did it once, and can do it again in service and in PUL.

Thank you Vajra, new member of a gentle persistent quality, you have touched me in many ways and you are growing into the nirvana state of mind where PUL will be your heart path 24/7. It looks good from here!
Thank you OOBD! What a fast mover I see you as. You gave us so much with little payback! Be assured the gifts you give out will be coming back to you, if not here, they will be from another source. You have my heartfelt gratitude, your sharings.
Thank you tender hearted Vicki. An up and coming author juggling a family responsibility with her mission. Not easy to keep it all together but she’s doing it somehow.
Thank you Vee for taking a chance and learning to dance. Your spirit will begin to dance also. Thank you for sharing your happiness in this new thing with me.
Thank you Hawkeye, for noticing there is PUL on this board operating and for your communication that this is so. It makes it easier for understanding to operate as you did so.
Thank you also Rosalie, if u are around and about, it was her vision to suggest to Bruce that a forum would be a good idea to promote the premises and bring to the public what Monroe had started before he left this plane of physicality.
As you know, we have been operating without moderators and yet still we are up and running and growing, so we must be doing something right! many forum fold up when negativity of egos gets the upper hand. We are still alive and kicking!

I’m trying to think of all those who I met here but these above are the latest ones. I don’t want anyone to think because their name is not mentioned that I am selective unduly, as I said, we are equal within PUL and this is a wondrous and powerful forum which draws the same kind of people, both wondrous and powerful and healers are you all and never doubt for a minute we are a shifting and evolving humanity into a new and bright age!

For each person whoever posted here in reaching out to one another, I thank you for bravely posting your thoughts and reaching out. I hope this places grows in PUL, that others may post here without condemnation or judgment but rather to assist one another without any kind of deception of the ego operating or misguided communications which speak not of our oneness and equality. We will be filled with the power of unconditional love. Just be patient and study, you will see the changes. The truth will set us free. In the days ahead we will all have immediate discernment of what is a nontruth, or incompleted truth being offered. We will be able to assist each other towards healing the separation that much more swiftly. I am calm but excited for us all!
Thank you all again for having touched me in so many ways, so that I knew, I was never alone.
Please when u each get time to study what the intentions of this forum are as listed by our facilitator and author Bruce Moen who set it up with Rosalie more than ten years ago. this way we can keep on track. And remember the open heart approach.
I just realized my yearning to return home is so intense, that is the reason for this post also. It is so beautiful on the other side! that's why I can be happy here, I know what's waiting for me upon transition!
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Thank you Laffingrain for excepting me for the All I am. I to, can't wait to come home. When our "job" is done and our "lesson" learned, I look forward to being with All of you.
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Wow, what a huge outpouring from you Alysia. Thank you for the kind thoughts about me. I do try to be both logical and emotionally open, and willing to listen;  and do try to be loving.

Thank you to you too, for your patience and gentleness, for the the way you balance spirituality with being able to be humourous and down-to-earth; for your wise comments and for trying to be encouraging, to look on the bright side and to see the good in people, and for quickly putting any negativity behind you again when necessary, because you are only human too and can't be seraphically unruffled all the time!

I'll just say a thank-you, since that's what the thread is about, to OOB Dude who, in a PM, passed on his tips for OOBEs, in a practical and straightforward manner. I shall give them a go.

Yes, this is what it is all about. Thank you, Alysia, for your spirited, engaging, humorous, heartfelt, wild-woman wisdom, which we are all so lucky to share here.

And thank you to all the individuals on this forum, as they blink on and blink off just as I do, without whom I would not be who I am. You have all changed my life, and given me the courage to move forward in some new directions, and I truly do not know who I would be without every single voice I find here. I miss some of you when you leave here, and wonder what you are doing.

And then, when I am away, I know I can come back when I please. And it satisfies, this feast of ideas, adventure and love here. Aren't we all so fortunate, to have this place to rest, play, think, breathe, make our stand, express?

love, blink :)

 It's great to express gratitude, however do you not realize how personally judgmental some of your words about others sound?   You don't know Albert or i half as well as you think you do.  You should not assume so much based on so little in regards to others.  

 I want to leave you with two thoughts, actions speak much louder than words, and in this world of deception, distortion, and emphasis on appearances, sometimes when someone speaks nice or positive sounding words they aren't really being truly positive, and sometimes when someone speaks gruff and not so nice sounding words, they aren't being truly negative.  

 If you're going to appreciate others, express gratitude, and be truly positive in it, then wouldn't it make sense to leave out the judgmental personal remarks and/or insinuations?   I mean i could analyze you and spout off about what i perceive to be your issues on a public site, but what good would that do for you or me?  I also realize that my perception of you is not complete by any means.  I'm not one of your guides or immediate Disk members.   Neither are you in relation to me.

Pls leave the Tea Cups on the other shelf. There is no room for them here.
Joe

Please excuse me, Justin, because you did not address me, but did Alysia say something negative? I didn't hear it, Justin. I honestly think she meant her words in a most positive light here. Listen again, and hear the love this time, if you can.  It is there, in every word.

love, blink :)

Thanks to you too, Alysia.

It takes all of us to make up what we all are. Like the tiny little two cent cotter key that keeps each wheel nut secure on your car, even the least of us is necessary if we are to go forward.

dave

Blink:

Sorry to be an ogre again, but either we can choose to see the whole story, or just what makes us feel comfortable. I believe it is clear that on a couple of posts on other threads, Alysia depicted Ahso and I in a manner that was a reflection of her unhappiness with us, rather than what she accurately saw.  Going by what she said about Ahso on this thread, she still has the same thoughts. This doesn't mean she isn't a loving person. I believe she is a very loving person.  But heck, being a loving person doesn't mean we never get upset with people. I consider myself to be a loving person, and I get upset at times. If I ever accuse somebody falsely, I hope somebody corrects me.

Of course it is up to each individual to decide what they want in life. Ive shared this before, but here it goes again. One day I was meditating. Suddenly I found myself at the back of church. A young lady was trying to decide whether or not to get married. She decided to do so. Next I was in the room where mass is held. This was a large old European style church. Next I stood by two large wooden doors that led outside. One of them was partly open.  I could see white light behind it. I heard a voice ask: "Do you want to make the change?" I answered "yes."  The voice asked very firmly: "Are you certain?" I answered yes.

The white light was a symbol for making the changes that will enable me to obtain oneness with the light. At first I didn't fully understand why I was asked "are you certain," so firmly, but now I do. If one truly wants to ascend to the level of one's higher self, one has to be willing to look at "everything" that gets in the way.  My spirit guidance is very loving, but it isn't afraid to point out my shortcomings and provide me with experiences that are sometimes difficult, in order to help me reach my goal. I agreed to take this approach when I answered "yes." If I wouldn't had answered yes, It would've been a waste of time and inappropriate for my guidance's to work with me in the manner they have. If one wants to become a master of one's creative mind energy, one has to be willing to deal with the challenges that are involved.

People sometimes talk about the changes that are going to occur. I don't believe it is simply a matter of waiting for some geographical changes to take place. Enough people need to be willing to look at themselves more completely, pleasant or not, or the changes aren't going to go through in the best possible manner.

I understand that some sources of information state that its all a matter of perspective, no need to see negativity anywhere.  But let's not put the cart before the horse. If one wakes up to no time one will see how in the end everything works out wonderfully. However, the only reason things work out wonderfully, is because the human race does what is necessary to make it so. Pretending that everything in its current state is okay when it isn't won't get the job done. It'll only lead to a slower growth process than is preferable.  Much uneccesary suffering. Hence I throw my head against brick walls because I believe that some guru based and channeled based sources of information direct people off course (I actually kind of like Alysia's comment about my thrashing my head against a brick wall.).

I look at the goal we're all trying to obtain like a big zig saw puzzle. If some of the pieces are out of place or don't belong, why not take care of them in the appropriate manner?


wrote on Oct 26^th, 2007 at 5:44pm:

Please excuse me, Justin, because you did not address me, but did Alysia say something negative? I didn't hear it, Justin. I honestly think she meant her words in a most positive light here. Listen again, and hear the love this time, if you can.  It is there, in every word. love, blink :)

Whatever...

Gotcha.

love, blink :)

Many thanks, Alysia!

Namaste, all!

Bets

well sorry you feel the way you do Justin. I trust myself, my visions, my obes and dreams, my voices, etc. if you can't trust yourself, you surely cannot trust another being. It's ok we don't see eye to eye. I'll certainly not trouble you again with what is my belief and insights, as you say, we are not related right at the moment! I'm not going to hold onto any negative feelings that are generated here and think you should or could do the same.
I wish you the best.

that's funny Albert. I had a very similar dream back in the 80's. I asked this fellow was we getting married? but before he came in the room, one of the preparer's of the wedding ceremony and I had a short conversation in which she asked me"are u sure?"
Right at the moment there was no choice but to go forward with what was occurring.

still not married. lol.  :) love the single life!

there is a little known art of doing healings. this in regards to not the head in the sand type of consciousness, but straight out of Bruce's books, is to "see it not there."

this in regards to sticky stuff. like a belief system that is negative and hurting oneself.
the healer can "see it not there."
this is like using the PUL energy to disapate it. also, I learned about this before I read Bruce's books. It's also in the Freddie Kruger Movies, where the heroine says to Freddie, I don't believe in you!

Peace, alysia

and thank u Oliver for your kind remarks  :) and I think you are an asset to this board and very well written person for being so young. I can see you going far in life, not sure what that means, just a feeling about you that you're going to put something together for us in book form. Peace!

thanks Blink, we always resonate along the same chord, I probably talk with you every night! love and light always, alysia

dave_a_mbs wrote on Oct 26^th, 2007 at 6:02pm:

Thanks to you too, Alysia. It takes all of us to make up what we all are. Like the tiny little two cent cotter key that keeps each wheel nut secure on your car, even the least of us is necessary if we are to go forward. dave

yes Dave I hear your wisdom. Everything turns out to be connected in the end, and at first we don't see that too easily, but later it becomes clear the connections and the whyfores and whatnots. love, alysia

Thanks Alysia to you too - you often act as a communicator for a simpler heart felt way of communicating which often by catching the right tone is much more effective than all the reams of bumph some of us write around here.  :-[  :)

Justin,

With respect, I see nothing different in the words you write here as being any different in what you insinuate about Alysia, for if you know her as well as you state she knows you, then you are doing nothing but perpetrating the same thing you accuse her of. I agree with the poster who suggested leaving tea cups on another thread. If you don't like tea, try choclate.

I appreciate your input, but prefer to follow my own path than be led down yours.

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Alysia,

Thank you for the post, for your passion, for your journey, for your experience and for all you bring to this forum.


With Affection,
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LaffingRain wrote on Oct 27^th, 2007 at 3:44am:

well sorry you feel the way you do Justin. I trust myself, my visions, my obes and dreams, my voices, etc. if you can't trust yourself, you surely cannot trust another being. It's ok we don't see eye to eye. I'll certainly not trouble you again with what is my belief and insights, as you say, we are not related right at the moment! I'm not going to hold onto any negative feelings that are generated here and think you should or could do the same. I wish you the best.

 Hi there Alysia, i feel perhaps you mistake my inner feelings about and intentions towards you.  I don't think or feel that you or anyone here can fully read my Heart (only my Higher self, Source, and White Light beings can do that), and in this world of false appearances and illusions, appearances aren't always what they seem.  

 As i said before, in actuality, i love you and i have long since dropped all emotional hurts related to our interactions years, and also lifetimes ago.   I can't be 'hurt' by you now, or rather more accurately, i choose not to take things in that way.

 I also wish you the best, but also hope that perhaps in the future, you may examine your actions and treatments of others more self honestly.  These situations have happened more than a few times that i've observed, but luckily for you (or rather your false self), it usually involved people who weren't particularly popular or cuddly here like Don, Albert, or me for example.  And because you are usually upbeat and positive, people tend to not notice as well or see fully clearly those incidences and this also makes it easier for you to ignore them and not take responsibility.   This indicates that they are good people with good hearts, but perhaps that there is too much of "special relationship" bonds clouding pure PUL type perception such as a nonphysical guide might perceive.

 If you desire it, in the future i will not respond directly to you and your posts.  Either way, i'm ok with or without direct, physical type communication with you.  Our Souls will always commune with one another.  Remember those dreams you had had about me helping you with energy adjustments--perhaps these seemingly 'difficult' interactions are also part of it?

 Much PUL to and appreciation for you,
 Justin

quote Justin: Hi there Alysia, i feel perhaps you mistake my inner feelings about and intentions towards you.  I don't think or feel that you or anyone here can fully read my Heart (only my Higher self, Source, and White Light beings can do that), and in this world of false appearances and illusions, appearances aren't always what they seem.  
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True Justin. and the above that you said is the same thing I would say to you if we were actually communicating. we are not communicating truly unless there is PUL. so we are not seeing the whole of each other, but this is the way C1 operates, we see limitations instead of our unlimited beings. so you're right, appearances aren't what they seem.

in that case perhaps we should let go and let god? I like the serenity prayer which says god grant me the knowing how to change the things I can and leave the rest up to god, which is trusting.
I don't think our world does have trust that everything will work towards good in the end. I'm not going to fix you and you are not going to fix me, but we can give it to higher purpose and trust.

the chakra adjustment time when I showed up obe to your house was not because I needed it. I wanted you to demonstrate for me what is your gift to life.
you did and this in fact created communication between us after that. by allowing you to demonstrate your ability, I was gifting you.

I am not going to demand your respect. btw, I am like your mother as you suggested once, that I was. I treat u as I would a son. And the way I raise children is to let them make their own mistakes the hard way.  I'm not competing here for popularity and to win friends. I don't have more powers than anyone else.

the journeys are involuntary and as I said I'm led by my own inner guidance I call spirit which I find trustworthy. If I ever let you down, it was orchestrated that way for your own benefit. Remember, never attach yourself to another person emotionally.

that is what you did. u attached yourself to me as your remembered me from the obe. I knew there was going to be a scuffle later on and I am able to deal with it because something in me had already gone thru what you are going thru.

you need to express yourself and had no place to do it. now you do and I will not throw you from my heart simply because you think I've let you down regarding my judgmental attitude as you call it. This is the remarks of a child Justin. an emotional tantrum. my love is an impersonal one, the same for all. I am not having a "special" love for you but I would like you to notice what u see and like in me, is in yourself, and what you dislike about me is also within yourself.

I have no idea about past lives with you. now is all that matters and for you to bring your gift forward as quickly as possible even though you are very young. you will have to pursue a selfless road in service to others, but I know thats what you want from other things you have said.

I simply would like to make the point over and over to whomever I come across the effects of PUL, anchoring it into the Earth, acts to open one's awareness, expand it, so that we can at last stop quarreling here on Earth, and simply allow PUL to express.

PUL will feed a nation by planting a seed or keep a thread active with life in abundance, while too much ego rearing it's head in a thread masquerades as "I am assisting you, so listen up type of attitude.  this place is where we all come together
to see how much power for good is in the coming together.


our eyes get opened and our minds with PUL. it's an energy. It's not just a love feeling as you might be thinking.
you are quite young as yet and have a lot of living to do Justin before you will bring your gift forth. this is not a put down to you. This is an acknowledgment that you have this gift, and it was also seen by another, and you did verify it was so, so I'm not just talking from my viewpoint.

As well, I found you adrift out there, you were in great confusion. I was happy you made your way here and I recognized you from out there.. I gave forth with my speech which was simple and to the point, get over the hump and get yourself over to this board..and you heard me. I still remember the scene. you sat at one end of a couch, lol, in outer space we were. I sat on the couch arm rest. I wanted to help you as I felt compassion that u suffered from frustration. Don't we all? at some point in life? this is not a put down. I think my most intense suffering was in my 40's, you were going thru the same thing I went thru, but you were/are in your 20's. it's nothing to be ashamed of, we all go thru these bouts of helplessness and/or frustration while we are developing our journey
It was quite an experience. you are not the only one I've spoken to while obe that I later recognize here.  I am as amazed though that this happens, and cheered that we can, if we want, help each other, one and all through our good intentions and by giving it to god.   it's not in my hands what the outplay will be of bringing in folks here to express; I feel this is the domoin of spirit. I asked to be put where I could be of assistance. They took me to you. of course you don't believe me but many of us do go out and bring others here. I knew you would benefit to come here as much as I benefit from being able to express myself here. as well there are purposes u r here that I have yet to discover, but I believe you are definetely working with TMI, as are many from what you have said in another post. Bravo! thats all I could hope for.

we are all a part of god, we should let god work god's magic to bring more harmonics to the Earth during this time and put away.

I'm not having a fight with you and if you want to read me and respond that's ok, its up to you. I do have inner faith in you or else I wouldn't spend this much time responding.

I cannot say what the morrow will bring as I don't see the future that often or that much, I doubt I want to see the future, as I prefer to think we have choices. Our choices may only lie in how we treat each other right now, to be creating of the future.

United we stand, divided we fall. you would understand the politics talk I think.
or the group consciousness. I believe in the basic goodness in man, that iincludes yourself!  take care of yourself, then take care of others where spirit leads you, but be true to yourself and without deception.

I'm looking forward to all of us pulling together here, as I think we can accomplish more as a group than as single individuals. But we have to have universal consciousness, or global awareness and bring in a caring attitude without being attached to the outcome. good thing theres a delete button here! Peace!

isn't it great when somebody actually reads you? although just joking, maybe we should have an "ignore" button?

follow your heart..let it flow and be open. we have nothing to lose actually! (especially if you'e lost everything already!)  all right all right...spirit says get off this board for now!  ok ok I'm leaving!

happy journeys full of wide eyed innocence knowing you are a co creator with god.

wrote on Oct 27^th, 2007 at 7:40am:

Thanks Alysia to you too - you often act as a communicator for a simpler heart felt way of communicating which often by catching the right tone is much more effective than all the reams of bumph some of us write around here.  :-[  :)

hi there. thanks for responding. its simplistic I know, but works for me (KISS) keep it simple silly.   I went on a heart path since birth but didn't realize it for awhile. balked at the idea for awhile. Read where Moen as a boy had closed down the heart chakra, so to not have to feel pain. as he went along in these areas of exploration into himself his heart opened when he started doing retrievals through learning TMI courses.
he posted that story a long time ago here and I had a moment of revelation when he told it and I knew I was the same type of pattern. I never let others get close to me, and if they said they liked me, I brushed it off like it wasn't true. then I saw that it was my fault, my heart was closed off to PUL. sad. I was conditioned from childhood to protect myself that way. not judging myself. it was supposed to be that way. then I studied some more, just myself, I saw I was not alone in closing off the heart.
I saw how much others want to love, to give love away, of themselves. they do, this is the basic goodness in man I was expressing elsewhere, that we all want to love and be loved, or you could call it, just be accepted as you are. then I went the other direction, lol, over extention of self, giving too much. accepting too much from others, what they call love, is not good either. has to be balance between left/right brain, mental and emotional...spirit, giving it to god, takes care of the rest.

its no revelation anymore, and we talk about heart intelligence here, or to follow your heart, this is the heart path, when retrievals are studied and done.

yet retrievals is to be of assistance to another. you must ask for assistance in order to be of assistance, then it starts to get rather interesting. we are receiving much assistance these days!

thanks again, I enjoy your posts!

That's a very familiar pattern to me too Alysia, one I'm still working through. Probably at the excessive giving/taking stage....

Re. '...the reams of bumph some of us write around here.' - 'some of us' includes especially me lest anybody feel I was pointing fingers.

 I didn't see this until today, hence my late response.



EternalEssence wrote on Oct 27^th, 2007 at 2:19pm:

Justin, With respect, I see nothing different in the words you write here as being any different in what you insinuate about Alysia, for if you know her as well as you state she knows you, then you are doing nothing but perpetrating the same thing you accuse her of. I agree with the poster who suggested leaving tea cups on another thread. If you don't like tea, try choclate.

Hi E.E.,
If you agreed with that other poster regarding the tea thread, then why did you not p.m. this, instead of keeping the issue alive by publicly and directly responding to me on her thread when i hadn't replied to you at all to begin with?

  Since you brought it up, I will try to respond and explain as clear as I can.  To me, there is a subtle, but also world of difference between labeling someone in a fixed manner or pointing out something you perceive to be as a nonconstructive temporary action/behavior.  
 I’ll give a hypothetical example:   Someone steals something from someone; a friend sees this and says, “hey, why would you do something like that, that’s not good for either you or them.  I don’t agree with stealing, stealing isn’t constructive”.     Another person looks on this temporal act (perhaps the one who is having their stuff stolen), and says something like this, “You are a thief because you stole that.  You got some major issues, though you also have some good potential too.  You need to stop being a thief.”

 Notice how the first is speaking more on the temporal and more specific incident and indicating to the other person that this is not a constructive way of treating others as judged by that particular and temporary incident (or perhaps if they witnessed this a few other times, referring to those incidences too), but the other attaches a fixed label to the other person…bang, you’ve been stamped on the forehead, and the person doing the stamping apparently thinks they are all knowing about you and your issues, who you as a person are deep in your core.  And this is only something an Elder could know.

 I’ve done the latter part plenty, with plenty of people in my life, and more than a couple of years ago, did that with Alysia as well.   It was completely non constructive and I don’t wish to do that anymore for my sake or hers.   When I did it too her before, I was reacting out of emotional hurt/anger and uncenteredness.   Judging/labeling always comes from emotional uncenternedness and also oft out of emotional hurt.  
I was neither emotionally hurt/angry, nor uncentered when I wrote those recent replies to her.   However, I saw her labeling and over generalizing another, and after speaking out against that kind of act and temporary way of being, I also in turn got labeled in a more fixed and over generalized manner.   I never said to Alysia though, that she was a labeler, though I pointed out when it seemed to me that she was labeling others in a more ultimate and fixed sense.   Do I need to quote all the specific things she said to others?   I thought it was rather obvious at the time.    

 It was rather clear to me, that Alysia responded to the original situation i.e. me speaking up for Albert and not labeling anyone in a fixed or judgmental manner (as well as not thinking one was omniscient about another and their issues) in an emotionally reactive manner.   Why was that clear, cause she went from labeling Albert to then labeling me, and she has continued this on this thread, though rather subtly and I do believe she was also consciously trying to be positive towards me as well (unconsciously though, may be a different matter).  It’s also clear because, before this situation but recently it seemed like Alysia was only saying positive things about or towards me, but then all of a sudden I’m an immature person, undeveloped healer, and I’m not using my gifts ::).  And btw, I know I can and do have my immature moments like most everyone else, but I also don’t feel I’m basically an “immature” person which is what Alysia said and more than implied.  Because you don’t see all the above, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, does it?

 Now if Alysia had said something like this to or about me, “hey, I think you were temporarily acting in a negative manner in relation to me, and being too critical or faultfinding, etc when you said those things.  That was an immature action, etc”  I wouldn’t have even responded to this thread to begin with, again it was the more fixed labeling that was happening that I was trying to point out to her.  Not just fixed labeling, but such HUGE and ULTIMATE GENERALIZATIONS about my person, like “Justin, you got a gift for humanity, but you’re not giving it.”  Or, “you are a healer, but undeveloped”   I mean, this kind of stuff to me, indicates that she is temporarily coming from quite the high horse in talking about another.   I didn’t realize that she was an actualized master yet and supposedly knew all about me, my life, and my heart.   Who does she think she is, making such huge and ultimate generalizations about another?  This was also done in relation to Albert, and neither of us did this in return to her.   Who then is acting in a more immature manner?



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I appreciate your input, but prefer to follow my own path than be led down yours. E. [smiley=engel017.gif]

 I didn’t realize I was trying to personally make you follow my path.  This is an I-net forum where people talk about their experiences, beliefs, and opinions.   As far as I’m aware, this is one of the few times in the whole time I’ve been here, that I even have directly responded to you or your posts.   But geewiz, I’m holding a gun to your head and trying to force you to follow down my own path.   Don’t you have the freewill to read, not read, listen too, not listen to, accept or reject whatever it is that i talk about as my truth?    In the last couple of years or so, I haven’t even been on this site all that much anyways, relatively speaking, certainly much less than many of the regular posters here.  

 Btw, I’m curious, and if you don’t mind sharing, were you on Linn’s site when I was, and what was your name there?   I somehow feel this might be pertinent to this situation for some reason, though I’m not sure exactly how and I know I may be totally off.  

Either way, thank you for your reply, it has presented a good opportunity to delineate holistically the subtle but important differences between judging/labeling another, and constructive criticism.   As Albert said about his experiences with his guides, and them occasionally pointing out faults or when he is erring, so haven't mine and i think i'm a better person for listening to it.   And i've had physical people do the same with me, and i eventually benefited from it, though i never liked it when i was hearing it with either the nonphys. guides or some of the people i've interacted with.  
To me, the whole of love encompasses more than just always saying completely positive words about another or their actions/behaviors.   And when i did say critical things to Alysia about that, i also told her about the positive things that i respect and admire.  

Greetings,

It's hard to express love through words.   We share so much here.
But finding the right words, after sharing so much for so long, is really difficult.
We know love's here, though, we feel it.

Bets

How unfortunate that many of this boards visitors have come to see these past posts and have been exposed to ego instead of the love that all of us here truly wish to share with them. Shall we move back in the direction of "Afterlife Knowledge" or still concern ourselfs with the emotion and its adding to the m-band noise. I know that these brused and battered egos will heal themselfs and know the love for each others being will once again shine. I get so much from all of you here, yet when the board fill with redundent emotional egoistic cra_, I don't feel a desire to be a part of it. I know that there is a job at hand. We are all a part of it and each and every one of us is needed. Our own little disk group. Suck it up, express your thanks for the lesson, and back to the job at hand.
My love to All of you.
Joe