I am curious to hear any and all of the experiences that the members on this board have had which proves to themselves that there is in fact an afterlife.  Talking about theory is fun and intreguing, but its time to open a thread for experiences only.  Even the experiences which give you even the slightest hope of an afterlife are welcomed, I want to hear them all.  If your curious about mine, just read the gateway experience thread.  Thanks!! Im excited to read your posts!

;) :) :) You mean you're not convinced yet????

Sorry, couldn't resist.....

Hi Dude,

It's nice to focus on experiences.  Our society is so much mental-oriented, that we think we know, just because we have read something on a site or a book.  Anyway, here some of my experiences.

[Meeting my grandparent]

I met them few time while I was in OBE state.  

1 - The first time, I met my grand father.  He was surprised to see me There.  He told me that everything was going well to him and my grand mother.

2- I first saw my grand mother.  She was happy to see me and we gave a big hug!  I was surprised at the time to see my mother and my uncle.  That was part of their consciousness.  My grand mother told me that she were taking care of them and assisting them.  

 My grand father was in  an other room.  He was busy and taking care of small children.

3- I met my grand father in my house.  We gave a big hug that released a huge amount of PUL.  

4- They were around a very nice pool taking some "vacations".  They told me that they were still waiting for their next reincarnation to take place.  I asked about the process of death and rebirth.  They gave me a little book with all the informations about it.  But I was not able to read it.  There was a arm coming from nowhere that wanted to take it back.   That was an higher dimentional being.  I was informed that those informations should not be known right now, because it could disturb the current "life experience".  

5- Last time I met them, they was in a kind of space ship.  They told me they were performing a special job:  Collector.  They were collecting energy (loosh?).  They told me something I didn't really understand.  This collection would allow in the future a very abundance and wellness to human experience.

I'll post more soon...

Vajra:

Well, I'm only about 50% convinced. Just kidding! Just kidding! :) I'm about 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% convinced. I figure it's good to leave a little room for doubt.

Perhaps I'll share some of the experiences that convinced me later (some of which I shared in the past). I'm really busy at work today.


wrote on Oct 17^th, 2007 at 12:01pm:

;) :) :) You mean you're not convinced yet???? Sorry, couldn't resist.....

There are a few that come to mind. During my Ethereal projections, I have had very quick glimpses of spirit beings. They were dressed in Vintage clothing, and were "showing the guest" (me, of course.) their happy perfect moments of PUL. They didn't speak to me, but were like actors and actresses in a movie frame. One lady was setting out little toy fuzzy sheep place (name) tags on a table for a children's party. You would think that she had just won the power ball. A simple act made her extremely happy. Another woman showed me her house. And yet another ( dressed like a Gibson Girl) was about to interact with a cake. (Blow out the candles ?). I wanted to stay, and talk, but got "whisked along". I was so thankful for the experiences.

A few years ago, I had a wide awake telepathic conversation with an invisible spirit who came to comfort me when my mother died. He called himself the "eternal teen" and said he and his father were in a perfect state that never changed. We talked about the nature of time, and space. I fell asleep, but I will never forget his kind manners, or message.

These events are sporadic, and I don't like the "dry spells" (weeks with nothing happening) but I am rewarded eventually, by being faithful, and patient. (Hard for an Aries)

hi dute,here is one that could convince you about the afterlife.A few years ago I met a woman who said,I want to talk to you.I said ok whats up.she told me her friend told her that you could people in the afterlife.I said yes I can.She began to cry,saying could you find my husband.I said oh im sorry to here about your husband,I had seen this woman from time to time.but she would be alone every time I would see her.I had never seen her husband whom I did not know.So I said I will try to find him.So I went to bed that night,took a few deep breaths and amagined that the spirit world was on the other side of my bedroomdoor.So I amagined my spirit getting out of bed and walking through my bed room door.As I moved around I asked for a guide to help me find tom moss who had died from heart problems.after a while I heard someone crying.I said are you tom moss,he said yes but he said I cheated onher. he keep repeeting this over and over.He than said I had a bank account she did not know about,and the bank it was in.A few weeks I met his wife.The first thing I asked her was,did your husband ever cheat on you,she said right up to the time he died.she was shoked about this,because she had told nobody about him cheating on her.After I told her about the bank account.she later told me that she had found his account.George

I've had so many experiences now , that it seems funny to me that people still question? But in saying that I through an event in my life have been reconnected to the astral plane. So for me its a daily event or should I say nightly. I' II give you just one small ex sample, you don't have to believe what I say, but know that I would never not tell the truth as I understand the results of my actions in full.

So leading of from that statement, there was a case where I live I'm sure you would have heard of it. Where a young woman was arrested in Bali for carrying 4.5 kg of dope.There was allot of media attention on this case it seemed to be on the news daily, all of which protested her innocence. I had how ever the strongest feeling she was guilty! And as I am aware of my karmic responsibility, and I talk to a lot of people daily, I kept thinking , what if I'm wrong and my energy is being sent to her and effecting her out-come. So one night I ask my higher self to take me to her I want to know what the truth is. During the experience I'm merged with my higher self, and for me this is how all my experiences are when I seek out truthful knowledge. So my higher self and I are in the astral, we are face to face with this woman.

My higher self tells her, you did it you are responsible for the out come she pleads with my higher self, but I needed the money! My higher self tells her, You are guilty and you will get twenty years! But don't worry they"l go quick. Now this all took place before her sentencing some three months before. So I have many many people who could confirm what I have told you and guess what she received a twenty year sentence. At first I thought this a harsh sentence but on looking back I Can see why it was the way it was. As her lie resulted in so much pain and suffering for the community, people just wouldn't travel there they thought that there luggage would be tampered with that they would end up in goal just as she had. The community relies of holidays being spent there. I could go on and on about the effect her case had on that community so now when I look back I can see why my higher self had no compassion for her.

This was a real learning curb for me.

Balance:

I'm with you in that I've had so many experiences, on a nightly basis, it would be hard not to believe.

Regarding your higher self not having compassion, I would say it did.  I figure we all start out as wonderful beings of love and light and have an attitude of being completely responsible for what we do. Eventually the lady you spoke of will come to the point where she has to face how she hurt others. I've read that when some spirits face what they've done to hurt others, they choose to seperate themselves from the the light for a while as they get over their guilt and remorse. Perhaps this lady will feel less of a need to do so when it becomes time for her to face what she did, because of the twenty year sentence she is doing.

Hi OOBD  My experience of the afterlife is that i have visited the spirit world and one time i was there,i remember walking into this place in the spirit world and it was pure white all the way round and as i entered my dad stood there with a wonderful loving smile on his face and he was dressed in a black suit,white shirt,black tie and black shoes and he looked wonderful and as i went up to him,my dress changed and i was wearing this beautiful long white silk dress.
Then this beautiful music started to fill the air and i danced the waltz with my dad and we were going round and round this white place and i felt so much love coming from my dad,then all of a sudden the music stopped and i was back to the physical world,but it was an experiece that i did'nt want to end.

The other experience was that i visited the spirit world a week before my dad died and i was shown dad being dressed in white and gold by these two angels and i was told i had to go back,so i was actually given an insight from spirit that my dad was very close to going back home to the spirit world.

Love and God bless  Love juditha

interesting stories.  i wish i could tell some, but the afterlife has chosen to ignore me for some reason  :'(

Hi Seeker The spirit world has not forgotten you, you have visited the spirit world many times in your sleep but the recollection of that is not always remembered,as you have an astral spirit that travels in your sleep,you are not forgotten at all by spirit as they love you and before you go to sleep ask those who you love and have passed to spirit to visit you in dream state,it may not happen straight away but it will eventually.

Love and God bless  love juditha

There are too many to share all of them, but here are my first three key experiences. I've shared them on previous threads.

One experience is what I refer to as my night in heaven experience. I didn't see or speak to anybody, but I knew I wasn't alone.  At the time I was an atheist, yet during this experience it was clear that the afterlife and God existed (not in an old man in the sky sense). Not only was it clear, but I completely understood how it was possible without having to think about it. It was oh yeah, and what a relief. The happiness level was wonderful. I understood that everything works out wonderfully in the end. I didn't see nor speak to Jesus, nor did anybody tell me about him, but I understood that Christ somehow fit into the big picture.  When I search my memory banks there is a feeling of light being there.  This fact came back to me later than the rest of the experience. I say "came back to me" partly because I can't remember the fullness of the experience simply by thinking about it.  After the experience was over I figured it might be a dream and was greatly dissapointed. However, when I thought about it some more, I realized that I experienced a happiness level that was beyond what I experienced before and understood things I had no way of understanding based on my past experiences. It is also a matter of how I knew, which was an automatic way of knowing. Plus, I am able to remember that during the experience I had no problem with its vividness level and reality.  The experience was more real than what I experience today.

First Astral Projection experience: Happened years ago.  Woke up one night in the vibrational state. I had never heard of astral projection and had no idea what was going on. I noticed I wasn't able to move my body and lifted my right arm in order to try to gain control. I saw it lift and thought I was okay, but then noticed that my physical arm still laid at my right side.  It was an astral arm I saw lift. I saw colored beams of light coming into my room. They did so slowly, not at the speed of light.  I then saw a spirit being come from accross the room up to where I was. He wore what looked like a monk's gown with a hood. I then shot out of my body and flew around the building I lived in. When I came back the spirit I saw was gone. The next day I went to the library, felt compelled to take a book off of a shelf without seeing what words were written on the books cover, and saw that it was a book on astral projection. It spoke of things I experienced the previous night,  including paralysis and the vibrational state.

First self knowledge experience (sort of, I had a minor experience when I was a kid): One night while walking around during guard duty while in the Army, I suddenly realized that the physical World wasn't what I thought it was. Being scientific minded as I was, I tried to break things down to molecules, atoms, sub-atomic particles, and understood that this doesn't explain what the World is all about. I felt the beingness/awareness that ran through the World. I also became very curious about the awareness that experienced everything.  I understood very clearly that the body based person I viewed myself to be, wasn't who I am. I understood that I'm the spirit being who is aware of my physical body and personna. I also understood how there is no such thing as a particular moment of time or a particular location. I also understood how it was possible for God to be omnipresent. Our linear concept of space has nothing to do with it.  This experience changed my life and has had a continuous effect, even though there have been times throughout my life where I've gotten involved with various thought patterns and lost touch with this feeling.

After these first three major experiences I don't know what to share. I figure the first time I made contact with my I-there/disk/higher self is significant.  One night I had three really intricate dreams that took place one right after the other. They were each created with just enough inconsistencies so I could figure out that I was dreaming. As they came to an end, for the first time, I realized that my dreams are created by an intelligence beyond my ordinary intelligence (I believe there are some exceptions).  I woke up in an expanded state of awareness. I received the message, "Just as you found inconsistencies in your dreams, find inconsistencies in your waking state. I see spirits in the form of flashing stars. After this experience as opposed to seeing just one spirit flash at a time, as I looked about my room I saw numerous spirits flashing their light at the same time. I asked if I'm in contact with my I-there (I hadn't read about Bruce Moen's disk at the time). I heard/felt numerous voices answer yes.  It felt like they were very happy that I finally made contact with them.  During the experience I was certain I was communicating with them.  Afterwards, after my awareness had narrowed down, doubts started to appear. This just goes to show that it is difficult to judge the validity of what you experience during an expanded state of mind, while in a more limited state of mind.

Speaking of the flashing stars, one night I had a lucid dream where I was in a room someplace in space. There were about six beds in this room, I lay in one, and some kids lay in the other beds. One kid sat at the foot of my bed. His mother, who was played by one of my cousins, sat near him. In reality this child is not my cousin's child. The two of them were symbols for my spirit family (there is a long history on this I won't get into). This child had information about the I-there viewpoint.  Everybody in the room wanted to know if the I-there viewpoint is true. I questioned this child. He stated things that made it sound true but I still had doubts. Suddenly a bunch of stars started come out of his head. I told everybody, "look, the I-there viewpoint is true because stars are coming out of his head." I looked around the room and stars were coming out of everbody's head. I know that something can't be verified simply because stars come out of a person's head, but I understood that this dream was a message from spirit guidance.

Nowadays I don't have out of body experiences with all the effects (except for when an OBE starts from a lucid dream).  Instead, my awareness expands, and I travel about in a mental/visual way.  Sometimes I'm shown beautiful places.  Sometimes these places include buidlings and people. Sometimes I have the feeling of floating over the places I see. Last night I was shown beautiful ocean sceneries-gold light was in the skylines and reflected off of the water. The water was a beautiful shade of blue.

For the most part my experiences serve the purpose of spiritual instruction.  For example, I was laying in bed wondering what it is like to be really vast.  The egotistical portions of my mind aren't completely comfortable about this. Suddenly I experienced myself walking out of a house on to a road (not physically). I floated up the hill to where it ended, and I was by an ocean. I jumped into the ocean and experienced my awareness expand outwards. The more my awareness expanded the better I felt.

Regarding concrete evidence, first let me say that after you have been communicating with light beings for a while, you learn that you can trust them. They aren't going to tell you something that isn't true.  Therefore, I no longer feel the need to be provided with concrete evidence in the way a scientist would expect.  Sometimes the spirit beings I communicate with find interesting ways to convince me about something.  For example, when I first started taking part in retrievels I wondered if I was really doing so. I asked about this one time while meditating, and I was shown the cover of Robert Monroe's book "Far Journeys." The pages opened and I felt page 144 and saw page 145. I thought it was curious that I felt one page and saw the other. I hadn't read Robert's book at the time so I went to get it. I opened the book to page 144. This is the first page of a chapter called rescue mission. As far as I know, this is the first time Robert wrote about a retrievel. The reason I felt page 144 rather than saw it, is because the first page of each chapter of Far Journeys doesn't have the page number printed. Therefore,  145 was the first page number of the chapter to be printed.

I also received a couple of retrievel verifications that I could verify by doing internet searches. However, as indicated above, after I became certain about what was going on, I felt no need to burden the spirit helpers I work with to provide me with confirmations.

I've also had some out of body experiences, remote viewing experiences, and received spirit messages, which told me about physical things I had no way of knowing about before hand.

There is one more experience I'd like to share because it is very special to me. Again, I've shared it before. One night I was reading a book by Elaine Pagels.  She stated that the Gospel of Thomas contends that Jesus was an enlightened being like any other enlightened being, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke contend that Jesus was a messenger of God, and the Gospel of John contends that Christ is God in manifest form. When he is spoken of in the later manner, it reminds me of the presence Bruce Moen met when he met the planning intelligence.  Anyway, before I went to sleep that night, I prayed and asked for a dream that provided an answer as to which version is true.

In the middle of the night I woke up in order to make notes in my dream journal. Before I could do so, I saw a light flash. This light was much bigger and radiated much more energy than any spirit being I've felt/seen flash before. I didn't see nor hear Jesus, but I felt like this was his presence.  I was impressed by how his presence felt more real than the physical World. It felt divine. I thought to myself, "And people don't believe in the World of spirit."

I forgot about my dream notes, put my dream journal and pen back on my night stand, and turned off my lamp. I allowed this presence to work on me. I have awakened kundalini, but the energy that worked on me was beyond how kundalini has worked on me.  It caused the energetic channels from my heart chakra to my crown chakra to be opened up more completely. I felt love, humility, reverence and grattitude towards Christ as this took place. His presence worked on my energy for about fifteen minutes. Ever since my upper energetic pathways have been more alive, clear and balanced. This presence has worked on me numerous times since this initial experience.

The main feeling I got from this experience is that Christ can be anywhere and in as many places as he wants. I still don't know which Gospel is more accurate.

"Post Your Experiences!!!"


 NOOOOOOOOO!!!  I don't wanna, and you can't make me!!!  :-*


 All, alrighty then, here is a link, to a link, to the stuff you are looking for.  There is a documented pre-cog dream in there as well as the other stuff i mention in the part specifically about my experiences at TMI (all in all, i didn't go into a lot of detail on that aspect).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/areclinicsedgarcayceforum/message/10696

recoverer wrote on Oct 18^th, 2007 at 6:41pm:

The main feeling I got from this experience is that Christ can be anywhere and in as many places as he wants.

 So, he is kind of like a mix between McDonalds and Starbucks...??? Duoooddd i get it now!


 Dare i say it.... yeah why not.  That's sooo Buddhalicious.

Ahso!  >:(

Not Starbucks, Pete's.  Like in St. Peter.


wrote on Oct 18^th, 2007 at 10:45pm:

recoverer wrote on Oct 18th, 2007 at 6:41pm: The main feeling I got from this experience is that Christ can be anywhere and in as many places as he wants.  So, he is kind of like a mix between McDonalds and Starbucks...??? Duoooddd i get it now!  Dare i say it.... yeah why not.  That's sooo Buddhalicious.

Well I'm only about 65% convinced there is one.. so maybe I'm not a good candidate. I sometimes wonder if it's not wishful thinking, or inventions by our subconscious minds. I prefer to think this is not the case.

I have certainly had experiences, and heard anecdotes, that seem to prove there is something though. Although maybe "prove"is too strong a word.

Well,

i had some negative experiences, i have described elsewhere, where a spirit who I had contacted in a group ouija-board sessions seemed to start moving a pen when I was doodling alone. He drew pictures and wrote messages about himself.
I became a bit obsessed with the experience and around the same time found I was getting odd twitches in my disaphragm muscles and neck. later on I found that i could relax and the spirit would say the odd word with my voice. I didn;t experiment much, but got worried as his messages became more disturbing. I eventually went to an Anglican exoricist, a couple of spiritulists (at the same time) and then a transpersonal psychologist, and found I could relax and close my eyes and let this spirit take over my body and voice  and talk to them independently of myself, even though I was still conscious and passively listening to what he was saying.He reacted quite violently to the priests's attempts to exorcise him (and it was at the altar rail of a traditional Church of England church and i think he left the door unlocked, so I was a bit concerned what would happen if someone came in!), not very cooperatively to the Spiritualists'attempts to get him to "go to the light"  and also uncooperatively to the psychologist's attempts to talk to him and get him to leave me alone. His issues included having had a viloent father he hated and couldn't forgive,  and thinking God hated him for certain things he had done in life and he didn't think he could go to Heaven.   I eventually just decided to stop trying to communicate with him and to block him out as best I could, which seemed to work more or less eventually. He claimed to be the spirit of a Yorkshire miner, who died in a mining accident. He had some problems/preoccupations similar to some of my own, which might have attracted him to me, but was different in other ways. the psychologist didn;t think he was "part of me". The last thing i tried was a Spititualist who got her 'development circle" to try to contact him and talk to him about leaving me alone (not while I was there). Supposedly one of them spontaneously said they had an impression he died in an enclosed dark place with black water, when the Spiritualist had not said he was meant to be a miner. In the later stages, I could also simply relax and listen inside my head in a specific way, and hear comments from this entity.

Otherwise, more recently I have had some messages from someone who seems to be a helpful guide in the same way. he makes encouraging, sensible comments to me so far. i am glad about this. again, i just have to tune in in a certain way, and usually i am able to hear some comments and/or have a telepathic dialogue. It's like when you talk to yourself in your head, but i have not consciously generated the thoughts that come from the other spirit.\

i started experimenting with ouija boards with freinds around the age of 18 - 21. i had a few odd experiences with this, and I remember the first time I tried it - in france - and the first message said via the glass (not very positively) mort moi jamais plus revivre je vous envie (I am dead and will never live again. i envy you). Another odd message once (in the Uk) supposedly came from a person who had lived in the 16th century or thereabouts, who  said something liek "I verily wish christ would invote faith in God into townworkers" [I'm not even sure if "invote"is a real word]

Otherwise, there was a weird experience when I was 17 or so, and a reader of Dennis Wheatley occult books and generally inetrested in the occult and paranormal, and I was at a work camp restoring an old castle in France, and there was one teenage participant who was an odd character who claimed to be some sort of a Neo-Nazi, and a group of us spent the night in this old semi-restored castle, in underground chambers, and at a certain point he started behaving very weirdly and seemed to have become possessed by an evil spirit. i forget exactly. He seemed to become ill and started breathing strangely, I think and then started walking around in a kind of trance, drawing strange symbols in the dust and scratching a symbol on his chest (I think)  and when someone approached him he reacted in a violent, animalistic way, snarling at them. I think I thought I was the Duc de Richelieu or somthing (you know what I mean if you ever read Dennis Wheatley or saw the film The Devil Rides Out -- if not, he is a powerful good magician in Wheatley's occult novels) and I tried to command the evil spirit to leave him,  and wondered if we could get some holy water from the church, but I don't think it was impressed. He seemed to eventually get back to more or less normal later the next day, although even though he appeared normal, i remember one moment when he looked at me strangely and snarled, like the demon was still there.

Otherwise, I had a few helpful messages attending Spiritualist churches, but not much that leaves a very strong impression on me. Then I also had quite an interesting eperience of hypnotic regression where i seemed to remember an unhappy  16th century female life; but it is hard to know for sure if it was real or not. i can only say certain images and thoughts came to mind.

As for other people's anecdotes, i remember, for example a women saying she went to a direct voice medium and heard the voices of her brothers who died in the second world war saying things only they would have known about.

It's no coincidence that when I pay attention - when I meditate, pray, and seek higher guidance, I see things clearer.

I often spot repeating numbers such as 11:11 on my clock, I always see auras and occasionally I get sleep paralysis and experience uncomfortable vibrations. I once smelt sandalwood incredibly strongly (it "hit" me in the nose and head) whilst reading an encyclopedia article about Sai Baba in my school library. I also remember one dream which was a message from a deceased relative...

Nothing however, compares to actually being out of one's body and wholly conscious. I posted about my singular experience a year ago on this forum. I "popped out" through my head (or so it would seem) quite spontaneously, and found myself moving fast through a dark tunnel, with small silvery stars in the background (I was told that these are "soul sparks", can anyone verify this? What does it mean?)

I felt more alert in this state than I have ever been in my waking life - free of this dense body. I knew that I could travel by thought, because when I looked around for that split second, I realised I could see everywhere around me; my consciousness shifted instantaneously with my thoughts.

Unfortunately, like The_Seeker, the afterlife also seems to have abandoned me since! I think it must have been too much for my (then) teenage self and I willed it away. I regret it.

So there's my own definitive proof of the afterlife so far. I yearn to find that state again, so that in future I can be a more active participant in his forum, and in life in general.

Hi OOBD-
My experiences include recollection of a perhaps a million or two years of evolution, from recollection of being a tube worm of some sort, to sketchy development as a crawling critter, lots and lots of stages of hairy simian development during which I began to think, then a few centuries of human levels of being.

I've always been interested in chemistry and drugs. In a regression session I was told that I once was a physician in England, and in my current life I seem to be nearly obsessed with the idea  that anything can be treated with only a dozen or so herbals - but herbals from the Culpepper era. And in general they actually work quite well with fewer side effects than many modern chemicals. However I use antibiotics etc as needed.

I vaguely recall being on a field gun crew, possibly in the Crimea (I remember the little Gurka-style pillbox hat). It was a "very modern" weapon with probably the very first hydraulic recoil suppressors, mounted on cartwheels. As a military thread continued, I was blown up in one of those catastrophic explosions that leaves very little behind. Like the cartoon character that is looking into a canon and in the next scene is outlined in soot with all the hair, clothing and everything else blown away. I was wearing khaki short pants. In this life I abandoned the artillery and joined the Air Force. But I still enjoy shooting, especially with antique black powder rifles that only toss a ball a short distance (half or three quarters of a mile). They're more fun than my more powerful modern smokeless powder guns (5 mile range), especially since I stopped hunting and became a friend to the critters I used to eat. My present house has deer sleeping in the yard and I lost count of the wild turkeys when a gaggle of more than thirty swarmed through this week.

Somewhere in the military phase I seem to have been using and perhaps developing poison gas, and had some kind of chemistry background, perhaps as a technician or junior chemist. In the present, I've worked in chem labs, and developed a slight background in military chemicals, both as used in crowd control and also in war. In this life I've had several experiences with vesicants, usually poison oak or poison ivy, which do precisely the same thing as mustard gas. From an industrial accident I got toxic pneumonitis that nearly killed me, again quite similar to gas effects - evidently I got too much joy out of watching people suffer in the past. In this life I've learned a great deal about compassion for poison gas victims and the like.

I dropped out of society for about five years, became a hippie, trying to discover who and what I was. I discovered that yoga, and especially the Tibetan techniques and Hindu kundalini yoga, not only made psychedelics drugs vastly more powerful, but that they could totally replace drugs, thus avoiding unpleasant side effects, like getting arrested. In this period I experienced samadhi, and the direction of my life changed - returning me to school to become a therapist. Samadhi is not explainable except that it is the participatory awareness of reality at levels more fundamental than normal. After years of development of yoga, now drugs tend to interfere with my awareness, and I use them primarily as herbal medicinals. (As one example, dextromethorphan cold syrup (OTC) and marijuana are a safe equivalent to a recipe I found in the US Pharmacopoeia c. 1900, where opium and tincture of cannabis were prescribed as symptomatic cures for the common cold - and they are effective! Just don't make any major decisions.)

I get whatever I ask God to give me, although not always as expected. This can be embarrassing, since it feels a bit like riding a race car blindfolded. In general I settle for finding parking spaces when I need one. Many years ago I complained about not having anyone to talk with in terms of metaphysics. I now have a wife who is better equipped medically than I (geriatric nurse) and who is an operationally competent Wiccan (God gives her what she wants too) who can discuss anything from reincarnation to black holes, and who can make friends with wild creatures anywhere - from vagrant raccoons and opossums in the neighborhood, to coati mundis in the jungle, birds that eat from her hand. And interestingly, Bruce has provided, for his own reasons, a place in which I find my desires for metaphysical conversation met.

I first played with hypnosis when I was about 13 years old. In my clinical practice, I was trained as a psychoanalyst, then took classes and mastered advanced hypnotic methods. During my roughly seven years of internship, one of my first clients came in with a past life problem. I didn't ask for it, nor was I prepared, but later I studied various methods for past life work, developing a hypnoanalytic methodology that is effective with both present life and past life issues, and extremely rapid - about 300X faster than classical Freudian methods. I now see people with past life issues fairly commonly.

All of this tells me that there is a great deal more than the everyday world. In fact, the magnitude of the spirit world seems far greater than the limited world of everyday experiences.

dave

dave, I am pretty impressed you remember a couple of million years of spiritual evolution (although if you were evolving in a literal physical sense, obviously it would take much more than this from tube worm to hypnotherapist) ! Did this knowledge come to you spontaneously, through special meditational techniques, or through being regressed by someone else?

It's also intersting you describe having experienced "Samadhi". How did that change things afterwards, and how do you equate that with complete "enlightenment" - is it a kind of brief taster?

You seem convinced that our souls can be housed in very basic entities at first. This seems to go against what I've been reading in Michael Newton's book journey of Souls, as I think he said such simple forms (actually, I think animals generally, and early forms of man) were not deemed suitable by the powers that be as vehicles for souls to learn in. Do you have any view on this, or this author?

hey Dude, good idea this thread!  my first true convincing of the afterlife was at 17 or 18 yrs of age (long time ago lets just say!)  my best friend and I tried an experiment for a spirit to use one of us thru our vocal cords and he was a better medium than I, and he went to sleep and a spirit came thru, I asked his name, said he was Sir Hillary, had been killed by a sword fight thru eye socket so he was blinded. said it was "dark" there. I asked him what century he had lived and he said 16th.
when my friend woke up he didn't remember he had been used. I gave him some time to call his bluff, but he just didn't know what happened.
I then told him what happened and that was the last time I saw him! haha! it was too scary and he didn't want to explore the afterlife and I don't blame him.
I told my sister the next day. (more happened when I went home that night)
and sis found a history book with a Sir Hillary listed in the 16th century.

thanks for the thread Dude again! love, alysia

Hi Orlando-
Samadhi is a participatory awareness that is totally state specific - it's also a very normal experience for meditators. In essence, to the degree that we allow the everyday world to go away, and then join into what is really happening, we enter samadhi of one or another sort. In the last instance, "right samadhi" (Eightfold Path) is completely external and logically prior to the everyday world.

Samadhi is an active state of mind, not an end in itself, but a means to insight.

As far as I was able to tell, Michael Newton has never accepted transmigration through intermediate phases of existence. He strongly leads  his sessions, so that people respond more or less as he asks them to. While this gives a nice consistency to his work, it fails to explore other options. I use a totally non-leading approach and get all manner of feedback, but in general if I ask people to "go as far back in time and space as you are able" I typically get a response from an animal - "Oh, I am a deer" or whatever.

In doing any of this work, it is important to avoid leading people, otherwise they respond in a distorted manner. From listening to him and reading his books, I'd say that Newton has established his opinion about a materially factual afterlife in which there are permanent structures and activities. For him, everyone passes through these identical stages, and sees the same places - just as if they stayed in Paris or New York on their way to rebirth. I believe this to be misleading, but there is no reason to deny that it can be true, since we can create it and re-create it anyway we wish. By not leading we reduce the post hoc creativity, and in my opinion, we get better data.

dave

Elanor wrote on Oct 19^th, 2007 at 10:39pm:

Nothing however, compares to actually being out of one's body and wholly conscious. I posted about my singular experience a year ago on this forum. I "popped out" through my head (or so it would seem) quite spontaneously, and found myself moving fast through a dark tunnel, with small silvery stars in the background (I was told that these are "soul sparks", can anyone verify this? What does it mean?) I felt more alert in this state than I have ever been in my waking life - free of this dense body. I knew that I could travel by thought, because when I looked around for that split second, I realised I could see everywhere around me; my consciousness shifted instantaneously with my thoughts. Unfortunately, like The_Seeker, the afterlife also seems to have abandoned me since! I think it must have been too much for my (then) teenage self and I willed it away. I regret it. So there's my own definitive proof of the afterlife so far. I yearn to find that state again, so that in future I can be a more active participant in his forum, and in life in general.

Hi Elanor and welcome. its nice to meet someone who also "popped" out. lol. I popped out from my forehead..is this the case with yourself? or was it the top of the head?

I don't think u are abandoned, but it seems when it happens they are very very special events that cannot be repeated quite the same way, as our expectations may be. for instance, I have never popped out again quite the same fashion as then. please participate as much as u want here, I hardly think any of us are more advanced than yourself and besides I think honest is more important and u seem like very nice honest person who thinks we know more than u do! well maybe I know a thing or two, but u probably know something I don't, so where is it? cough it up! lol.

have fun!  :D

Hi Orlando, those are definite intriguing experiences. it does look like the miner was attracted to you as you have had similar things happen to you, he is drawn to that. once u start thinking different thoughts he will find another to hang around. you might learn the art of retrieval and send him onward to his rightful place. sounds like a bugger, he does.

I think I'd like to see a book come out of u someday...a lot of experiences you're gathering. love, alysia

Hi Alysia, yes, you could say I've had some intriguing experienecs I guess. Never managed to pop out of my body yet though, although a have tried from time to time! I have thought about writing a book before. you never know. But I feel if I was to write about this kind of topic at this stage in my life I wouldn;t have a strong enough conclusion yet, to leave people feeling satisfied and hopeful. I could just say: look, some weird stuff happened to me, and er.. I think everyone should try to be nice to each other  ;D

hey! haha! [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif] I like the way u think Oliver. u r right of course, but I was thinking maybe later on in life you'd get on it. when more experiences come. we have a few authors on this forum that I know of. you have writing skill already..your stuff flows easy. Just wanted to mention that writing is very fulfilling but tasking and u probably already know that.
I didn't think I had enough to write about either when I first started, however u might notice when you start writing more information comes from out of nowhere...or memories become more clear, even other lives sometimes unravel themselves if you get that deep or if u even want to.
also, whenever you need assistance, there are "editors" hovering if you call out for that.
just my experience. love to you, enjoy your life!  :)

Hi LaffingRain, thanks for your kind thoughts, and for reassuring me that I haven't been "forgotten".  :-)

I chanced upon this forum late last year, and since then have been in awe of the knowledgable, gifted and helpful souls, such as yourself, here. I also promptly forgot my password and lurked around sadly like a wandering ghost for a year, until recently, when I discovered a certain "password reset" option!    :P

You have a very interesting blog, by the way. I feel the same in that I don't wish for another incarnation - I feel a deep and distinct sense of not belonging here, and melancholy. However I don't know if these choices are mine to make... How did you realise that this will be your last lifetime?

In retrospect, I'm quite sure I popped out through my forehead. I've raised energy more in my third eye chakra than others, so it might be a result of that.

The message from spirit I got was through a dream: I saw my late grandma and granddad together, as though they were posing for me. They seldom appear to me in dreams and I could tell it was a message as it was unusually vivid and clear. I called home when I awoke (I was studying halfway round the world from home at that time), to ask if everything was ok. My dad told me that his sister (my aunt and my grandma and granddad's daughter) passed away. She had cancer. I was not very close to them, but I'm very grateful for the message.

I wish I had more moments of epiphany (!) to share with you all. I'll pray for them. :-)

Elanor said: I discovered a certain "password reset" option!
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hey! I've had password trouble a time or two, glad u found your way back in!
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You have a very interesting blog,
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thanks for the read  :)
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by the way. I feel the same in that I don't wish for another incarnation
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I know how you feel, I'm empathic to pick up other's feelings. I used to feel the same way, I didn't want to come back. then upon further reflection over my life events and receiving some help to see those events differently, I saw that it wasn't another life here I was running from, but a repeat performance I feared of events which caused me growth in the soul area, but felt really bad to go through them. then I was told I didn't have to repeat history and so that changed everything for me and it doesn't matter if I come back or not, whatever happens is what's supposed to happen.
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- I feel a deep and distinct sense of not belonging here, and melancholy.
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Same thing I felt back in the 80's. I'll share a little. I was going to let an illness take me out. but first a prayer, just to make sure I was doing the right thing. I told god, (not going to try to explain what god is) I'm leaving. unless u got a better idea.
a voice said give me a little time to come up with what you need. its that still small voice, we all got one. Then all of a sudden one day about a week or two later I came across a lecture on the Course In Miracles and the spirit flooded my being as I knew I had found what I needed in order to stay here.
the first reading I came across these words "this is not your home."
so you see Elanor, the reason you feel you don't belong here is because you are on a journey away from your home. I know where you belong! In my home, the same as yours on the spirit levels.
I don't think I will be able to uplift you any with these mere words but just know I am sensing your longing for home as it is/was the same as mine.
In our true home there is harmony, peace, love abounding, there is a sense of the most abundant life force and comradery amongst all, we never get tired or bored or despaired; we love learning new things, we create as we go along beauty and harmony, and there is no one allowed to bring disruption or be hurtful to another being as they have their own worlds to be creating that. we are occassionally sent to help them elevate themselves when they ask for help or are ready.
the fact is, I live there right now, so I am home because home is a state of consciousness and its wherever you hang your hat. but thats another story. so my story is a lot like that song "how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.
as wretched as I was feeling, there is hope for you if there was hope for me!
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However I don't know if these choices are mine to make... How did you realise that this will be your last lifetime?
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I think it was much later, I discovered I had more choices now about how I wanted to create my personal reality, so within those choices, I realized I didn't really have to come back if I didn't want to, as I had burned off all the karmic conditions by rectifying all my family relationship I had cut the ties that bond by forgiveness, so I didn't owe anybody anything, but it was more than this. I came up with a theory, it probably just concerns my type of pattern and not everybody's, but my theory is if you reach from a soul level to at least one other person in your life, to lift them out of some pit they are in, then that was your intention for incarnating; or I should say one of your intentions has then been fulfilled. This was like my foster father I came in to help lift him up. when I succeeded in that, I realized I was made free myself to not have to suffer to enter another life like that for there is suffering involved to pull someone out of a pit by forgiving them in the true sense, with god's help. We often talk about enlightenment here, what it is, how to measure it, etc. Enlightenment might be likened to discovering your own innate goodness and just doing unto others like you'd want done to yourself, and I don't see this is beyond anyone's understanding so there's always hope! as you progress, more choices come to your mind about expression of yourself, you will gain a type of mental balance and no longer feel bad about anything going on. but I don't want it to seem it happens all of a sudden, we are all in a sort of process of becoming.
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Elanor said:
In retrospect, I'm quite sure I popped out through my forehead. I've raised energy more in my third eye chakra than others, so it might be a result of that.
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most people don't know about chakras that they are energy portals in the human body and spin with the mentality; they link us to our home world. the 3rd eye might be the pineal gland, said to have shrunk quite a bit over the centuries and is now becoming enlarged again to normal size. Humanity will then begin to have visions and to walk and talk with this other world, as we did before. if it is not the pineal gland I'd like someone to tell me which gland is there please!
thanks for the chat Elanor, I guess I'm long winded today but nice to meet you! love, alysia

Here is an experience that relates to astral projection and my thoughts about astral projection (not completely my own).

In Rosalind Mcknight's book Cosmic Journeys, it is stated that we have physical, etheric (typically experienced when we go out of body and walk about our room), emotional (astral), mental, and spiritual bodies. When we go out of body, we don't actually travel outwards, but inwards. I've had experiences which suggest this is true. After many years of going out of body, Robert Monroe found that this is true. What happens is that because our vibrational rate increases, a sense of movement is created.

As I stated on an earlier post, there used to be a time I would go out of body with all the effects. The vibrational state would occur, I'd feel myself shoot out of my body, I'd hear, see and feel myself fly around. In my case, eventhough I'd see the place I was flying around in, I wouldn't lose consciousness of my body. I'd be aware of both things at the same time. This was a clue that I wasn't actually traveling somewhere in a physical, linear sense.

Eventually things evolved to where I travel about in my mental body.  The effects of astral body travel aren't included, even though sometimes I'll travel over a realm and experience a sense of movement.

To a certain degree I experience the effects when a dream becomes lucid and leads to an out of body experience. For example, last night I had a dream where I was at an aunt and uncle's house. This house was a very large house and was connected to a mall.  Due to a previous dream, I could tell that their house was a symbol for my disk/I-there/soul group.  My aunt and uncle were meant to represent my spiritual family members. During one part of the dream I was laying in bed, and it became lucid. I went into a state of being where the energy I felt caused me to have that feeling that one gets when they fly around astrally; however, in this case I didn't fly around! I could also feel PUL.  I was shown beautiful landscapes of a valley in a very clear way. These valleys were occupied by spirits I didn't see.  Everything was landscaped in an intricate manner including the architecture. It is possible that this was a part of focus 27.  Before I went to sleep I thought about wanting to see focus 27. Because of the way this experience occurred, I believe that both my emotional (astral) and mental bodies were involved.

The main point I'm trying to make, is that everything can be found within.

[quote Albert:

In Rosalind Mcknight's book Cosmic Journeys, it is stated that we have physical, etheric (typically experienced when we go out of body and walk about our room), emotional (astral), mental, and spiritual bodies. When we go out of body, we don't actually travel outwards, but inwards. I've had experiences which suggest this is true. After many years of going out of body, Robert Monroe found that this is true. What happens is that because our vibrational rate increases, a sense of movement is created.
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thanks Albert. I'll buy this. I'll take it one step further, that there is nothing out there. just as the kingdom of god is within, everything that is seeming "out there" is really all "in here." because time and space is something our mind is projecting as "out there."
objects are energy in vibrational form also. therefore, objects are no more eternal and solid than our bodies. the way I see it, my mind and soul and spirit is activated through my sensory apparatus, take the eyes for instance; we can readily understand the retina and see it as a camera lens. we can also see the mind as a type of video which records a movie. remember when we were kids we went to the movies?
we looked up and saw two beams of light projecting onto this huge screen a movie.
that is how I see the human eye, projecting that there is something "out there."

we all know the movie we are attending is just on the screen, is not really real, but we get into it anyway and forget ourselves while watching it.

and also, I have seen light streaming out of the eye sockets of others occassionally, as well when I went within on several occassions, I did see this light coming from my eyes as well to explain to me, I was also this light.
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As I stated on an earlier post, there used to be a time I would go out of body with all the effects. The vibrational state would occur, I'd feel myself shoot out of my body, I'd hear, see and feel myself fly around. In my case, eventhough I'd see the place I was flying around in, I wouldn't lose consciousness of my body. I'd be aware of both things at the same time. This was a clue that I wasn't actually traveling somewhere in a physical, linear sense.
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that is a very good definition, about the increase in vibration. I think the travel sensation however, is needed by the brain interpretation process in order to shift one's focus to another area of being. we are so used to this kind of reality where in order to "get somewhere else" we travel to this place through space and time. and I hear on the spirit levels, we still have the option of seeming to travel somewhere, or we can be "instantly" arriving as the choice is given.
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Eventually things evolved to where I travel about in my mental body.  The effects of astral body travel aren't included, even though sometimes I'll travel over a realm and experience a sense of movement.
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my higher self of which I am a bit like her puppet, will sometimes give me body sensations, or effects of astral travel combined with mental travel. these are usually life changing events though and rarely happen, so they are all the more special when they do occur as I know I will learn something I'm supposed to learn or I may be needed somewhere, or it might be a choice to participate this way. The experience of lucidity when out of the physical C1 mind, is something precious and different for each of us as individuals. It is like, I remember, for the first time I felt I was free, within my soul, an unlimited being, more of myself, the universe was grand, elation and majesty was there, like touching the face of god and being smiled at by him...it is not something we should ever cheapen..each of us is a part of god and each realization of our greater being, howsoever it arrives is important and I celebrate our differences in perception of our greater selves.
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To a certain degree I experience the effects when a dream becomes lucid and leads to an out of body experience. For example, last night I had a dream where I was at an aunt and uncle's house. This house was a very large house and was connected to a mall.  Due to a previous dream, I could tell that their house was a symbol for my disk/I-there/soul group.  My aunt and uncle were meant to represent my spiritual family members. During one part of the dream I was laying in bed, and it became lucid. I went into a state of being where the energy I felt caused me to have that feeling that one gets when they fly around astrally; however, in this case I didn't fly around! I could also feel PUL.  I was shown beautiful landscapes of a valley in a very clear way. These valleys were occupied by spirits I didn't see.  Everything was landscaped in an intricate manner including the architecture. It is possible that this was a part of focus 27.  Before I went to sleep I thought about wanting to see focus 27. Because of the way this experience occurred, I believe that both my emotional (astral) and mental bodies were involved.

The main point I'm trying to make, is that everything can be found within.
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thanks again Albert, I enjoyed hearing about this. love, alysia

Alysia, comments below within double quote marks:


LaffingRain wrote on Oct 24^th, 2007 at 4:45pm:

[quote Albert: In Rosalind Mcknight's book Cosmic Journeys, it is stated that we have physical, etheric (typically experienced when we go out of body and walk about our room), emotional (astral), mental, and spiritual bodies. When we go out of body, we don't actually travel outwards, but inwards. I've had experiences which suggest this is true. After many years of going out of body, Robert Monroe found that this is true. What happens is that because our vibrational rate increases, a sense of movement is created. ____ thanks Albert. I'll buy this. I'll take it one step further, that there is nothing out there. just as the kingdom of god is within, everything that is seeming "out there" is really all "in here." because time and space is something our mind is projecting as "out there." objects are energy in vibrational form also. therefore, objects are no more eternal and solid than our bodies. the way I see it, my mind and soul and spirit is activated through my sensory apparatus, take the eyes for instance; we can readily understand the retina and see it as a camera lens. we can also see the mind as a type of video which records a movie. remember when we were kids we went to the movies? we looked up and saw two beams of light projecting onto this huge screen a movie. that is how I see the human eye, projecting that there is something "out there." we all know the movie we are attending is just on the screen, is not really real, but we get into it anyway and forget ourselves while watching it. ""I agree with what you say above, even though my understanding is definitely not complete."" and also, I have seen light streaming out of the eye sockets of others occassionally, as well when I went within on several occassions, I did see this light coming from my eyes as well to explain to me, I was also this light. ""I've never experienced this. I've read of others doing so."" ___ As I stated on an earlier post, there used to be a time I would go out of body with all the effects. The vibrational state would occur, I'd feel myself shoot out of my body, I'd hear, see and feel myself fly around. In my case, eventhough I'd see the place I was flying around in, I wouldn't lose consciousness of my body. I'd be aware of both things at the same time. This was a clue that I wasn't actually traveling somewhere in a physical, linear sense. ___ that is a very good definition, about the increase in vibration. I think the travel sensation however, is needed by the brain interpretation process in order to shift one's focus to another area of being. we are so used to this kind of reality where in order to "get somewhere else" we travel to this place through space and time. and I hear on the spirit levels, we still have the option of seeming to travel somewhere, or we can be "instantly" arriving as the choice is given. ""I agree again.  Even though I'm not a person who gets involved with motion sports such as skiing, I think the sense of motion one gets when traveling astrally is rather fun. Especially when you hear and feel the energy brushing up against you. Plus, when I've done so I've never been completely certain of where I was going, and it was interesting and fun to see where I ended up."" _____ Eventually things evolved to where I travel about in my mental body.  The effects of astral body travel aren't included, even though sometimes I'll travel over a realm and experience a sense of movement. ____ my higher self of which I am a bit like her puppet, will sometimes give me body sensations, or effects of astral travel combined with mental travel. these are usually life changing events though and rarely happen, so they are all the more special when they do occur as I know I will learn something I'm supposed to learn or I may be needed somewhere, or it might be a choice to participate this way. The experience of lucidity when out of the physical C1 mind, is something precious and different for each of us as individuals. It is like, I remember, for the first time I felt I was free, within my soul, an unlimited being, more of myself, the universe was grand, elation and majesty was there, like touching the face of god and being smiled at by him...it is not something we should ever cheapen..each of us is a part of god and each realization of our greater being, howsoever it arrives is important and I celebrate our differences in perception of our greater selves. ""Regarding the frequency with which you travel, it is similar for me.  I don't seek to go out of body as frequently as somebody such as Out of Body Dude does (what an appropriate name).  I'm not a trail setting John Muir type like Robert Monroe or Bruce Moen.  When I travel it tends to be for particular reasons, even though I believe my higher self showed me the scenery I saw last night just to be nice.  Speeking of nice, nice :) experience you described above."" _____ To a certain degree I experience the effects when a dream becomes lucid and leads to an out of body experience. For example, last night I had a dream where I was at an aunt and uncle's house. This house was a very large house and was connected to a mall.  Due to a previous dream, I could tell that their house was a symbol for my disk/I-there/soul group.  My aunt and uncle were meant to represent my spiritual family members. During one part of the dream I was laying in bed, and it became lucid. I went into a state of being where the energy I felt caused me to have that feeling that one gets when they fly around astrally; however, in this case I didn't fly around! I could also feel PUL.  I was shown beautiful landscapes of a valley in a very clear way. These valleys were occupied by spirits I didn't see.  Everything was landscaped in an intricate manner including the architecture. It is possible that this was a part of focus 27.  Before I went to sleep I thought about wanting to see focus 27. Because of the way this experience occurred, I believe that both my emotional (astral) and mental bodies were involved. The main point I'm trying to make, is that everything can be found within. ___ thanks again Albert, I enjoyed hearing about this. love, alysia ""You're welcome.""

hello again Albert, this is getting more interesting. Glad you had the dream excursion; seems quite different from an ordinary dream, like it was a gift to you. I am feeling your love again and I am very much feeling my love for you.
I hope everyone here understands it's ok to express feelings as well as our usual intellectual conversations.
some more sharing we might do, just to touch on some similarities of these explorations as well the differences are interesting:
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""I agree with what you say above, even though my understanding is definitely not complete.""
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I understand. that we are beings in the act of becoming. perhaps to just make a point further I reveal some history of self; I wanted to become an actress once. it is great fun to pretend to be somebody else and do it well.  I am much older now and believe I am on a stage of life and can pick and choose my role to play, then I see everybody is becoming their innate self, picking and choosing their thoughts, and eventually their own emotions can be items to choose as well by their thoughts, the emotions will follow then in line with the thought pattern. I realized when I played a part, I could play it well, but only if I allowed myself to believe I was that role, that character. I did not want to be all characters because I did not want to type myself, I just wanted to play myself in other words, but first I would have to find out who I was, and who I wanted to be, and I am still becoming and so I am like you, my knowledge is not complete, but I am willing to open to the truth as we all seek that I do believe and in the heavenly realms it is a loving place, where people do come just as they are.
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and also, I have seen light streaming out of the eye sockets of others occassionally, as well when I went within on several occassions, I did see this light coming from my eyes as well to explain to me, I was also this light.

""I've never experienced this. I've read of others doing so.""
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there is little lights that you do see, in full C1 consciousness, you have told us of the dancing lights on a post. This is light also, and when you see this, you have your attention on it to remember there is a connection between what is being said and what is verification for you is right in front of your eyes, so to speak. It is another gift to you from your higher self, or you may say your guides, as we do have guides, this is true. In the same way, energy bodies are composed of this light. we so identify right now with our solid forms, that we think to ponder on light beings, or the Light, it seems most mysterious; I think we can increase our vibrations more each day so that the light becomes not so mysterious but still will be welcome to see.
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As I stated on an earlier post, there used to be a time I would go out of body with all the effects. The vibrational state would occur, I'd feel myself shoot out of my body, I'd hear, see and feel myself fly around. In my case, eventhough I'd see the place I was flying around in, I wouldn't lose consciousness of my body. I'd be aware of both things at the same time.
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yes, I understand this to be what was called dual consciousness, and also another term, it has been called bi-location. It seems we are in two locations, one physical, one nonphysical. we might call it two worlds, or two dimensions of our awareness operating. I've had this state occur twice in my life, both times were monumental in discovering I was more than just a body and I was in awe of what had happened.
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This was a clue that I wasn't actually traveling somewhere in a physical, linear sense.
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Naturally. same here. when I felt some energy pop from my forehead that time, I was aware my higher self, I'll call it, was now going to produce a movie for me to enter as energy, as an awareness of form, and also formlessness. I began to see trees and I began flying, with the sensations of that, while my body I was aware of it sitting in a chair quite still. the surroundings were like being underwater, I could hear seagulls, see the beach, feel that I did move, attracted another spirits attention even who asked "did I need some orientation?" lol. no, I didn't need that! the feeling was like being a kid let out of the classroom at recess and my emotions were childlike and having fun. the added feeling was to talk to the ocean, which was the vastness of the ocean, the surf sound was there like a roar in the background. I have a special feeling for the ocean as I used to walk there when I was depressed; the sound of the waves spoke to me that there was rhythm to life which meant this depressive part would leave soon.
That was another special out of body experience taught me about the rhythm.
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""I agree again.  Even though I'm not a person who gets involved with motion sports such as skiing, I think the sense of motion one gets when traveling astrally is rather fun. Especially when you hear and feel the energy brushing up against you. Plus, when I've done so I've never been completely certain of where I was going, and it was interesting and fun to see where I ended up.""
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Yes, I like the sense of wondering where I'm going too. maybe that wonder is our innate curiosity we are born with. Bruce talks of Curiosity's Journey. A really good visionary experience. Vee and I have been discussing that we've both began to dance here lately, getting past some belief systems that it was not a worthwhile thing to be doing..we are having fun with it to say the least!
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""Regarding the frequency with which you travel, it is similar for me.  I don't seek to go out of body as frequently as somebody such as Out of Body Dude does (what an appropriate name).
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yes, he is certainly a dude, and he certainly does go out of body like I never could but I like reading about his obes and compare them with Monroe's first obes.
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I'm not a trail setting John Muir type like Robert Monroe or Bruce Moen.  When I travel it tends to be for particular reasons, even though I believe my higher self showed me the scenery I saw last night just to be nice.  Speeking of nice, nice :) experience you described above.""
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thanks. I think we all are trail blazing, it's just that we are the ones that come after Bruce and Monroe, yet in our individual way. Also, same here, I have to have a spiritual reason, or question, or need an answer to something, or need to go check on a friend, or something to that effect before I will notice I am lucid and fullfilling that intention from some nonphysical area of awareness. Its quite possible that Dude might be able to shine a light on the beginning problems that occur for all who study this phenomenon, one of which is the sensation of falling is observed as a commonality within obes, and can be scary feeling, then when others report these commonalities we can say, oh, this happened to so and so, and they reported there was no danger in the sensation of falling when obe. just an example of getting beyond our fears to be sharing the similarities. and don't forget Monroe, who when he began these obes, he was so frightened he took himself off to a shrink, and they could offer no explanation for what was happening..so there may be some others out there who are frightened that they are going mad...the dudes and Ryan's of our world can maybe help those who might feel they are the only ones in the world who do this, and they can realize they are not all alone in these things and they are not crazy.
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Albert's dream/vision: " I could also feel PUL.  I was shown beautiful landscapes of a valley in a very clear way. These valleys were occupied by spirits I didn't see.  Everything was landscaped in an intricate manner including the architecture. It is possible that this was a part of focus 27.  Before I went to sleep I thought about wanting to see focus 27. Because of the way this experience occurred, I believe that both my emotional (astral) and mental bodies were involved.
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I think both the emotional and mental were involved also. I think thats a good sign  you are entering that balance between the two. and you did set an intention of sorts so you recognize you had a desire to see focus 27..did u set an intention or it was just a desire or both? but there is a connection between "wanting" and receiving, just as there is a connection between setting an intention, or asking and receiving. I would love to see some architecture on focus 27. the PUL is most important, as it feeds the spirit, makes life worth living.
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cheerio mate! sailing can be a bit choppy but we're stalwart!

love, alysia

Alysia:

I don't consider what I wrote on other threads intellectual.  I wrote what I wrote for heart felt reasons. Intellectual conversations bore me.

Regarding us sharing love, I believe we can love each other quite fine, even when we have differences of opinion.  Differences of opinion are liable to appear while in the physical.  I believe that so many problems in the World would go away, if people realized that it is okay for us to have differences of opinion. Such diffferences are bound to occur as the process of exploration takes place. Curiosity doesn't reach its goal just like that.

I don't have one specific experience which has been a defining moment for me.

But there is this one thing....this sort of thing happens to me all the time. This morning:

I was listening to my cellphone messages. I hadn't picked them up for about a week, which is unusual, but I occasionally have a lapse, a quiet time, in which I don't hurry to reply to people.

The second or third message was one of "those" blank messages. The kind where you know someone called you. But there's no message. I dismissed it, but lately I am interested in EVP, so much so that I bought a voice recorder. So I found myself listening. I couldn't hear anything but what sounded like the wind. But, still, I dismissed it.

If this is spirit then you better call me again, I thought to myself. I said to myself, okay, I want another one, for proof.

I listened to another message from a friend. Then, the second message. About the same length...

Long.

Blank.

Windy sound.

Okay, maybe that's not enough for you. But it's enough for me, for right now.

I know it was probably someone calling me, here on earth. But maybe it wasn't. And maybe I'll find out later, if I do some more recording.

love, blink :)

Experiences with verifications (again, experiences I've shared before, some time or other).

-A man I worked with passed away. One day while meditating I suddenly saw a shaved pencil. I saw the letters "Dan M" get written. The first name and last name initial of the man I knew.  He showed me where he lived in the spirit World.  I saw this place from a deck that was next to a small lake. There were meadows on the other side. I thought this is a typical thing to imagine. But then the right side of the meadow changed into a steep, foilage covered cliff that was part of a moutain range. The point was that his backyard doesn't always look the same.

Next we were on top of a mountain that had a view that is similar to the views when photos of Buenos Aires are shown. The town below was next to an ocean.  The place we were at belonged to a cousin of Dan that had also passed away. Next we were down by the town. The impression I got is that sometimes Dan's cousin lived at the top of the mountain, and sometimes down in the town.

I asked Dan if I should speak to his wife who is still alive. I got the impression this wouldn't be a good idea. I asked for something to verify what I experienced.  I was shown the words Mount Rushmore and the name of a place that had nothing to do with Mt. Rushmore. I did an internet search and it turns out that this place held a convention about what people should be added to Mt. Rushmore.  

I was also given some other words which led to me finding Dan's name on the internet.  An organization for a ship he used to be a crew member of while in the Navy posted an announcement about his death.

-One time I went out of body and saw a house that was accross the street from a school. It had a medium shade of green with an odd texture. I wondered why the paint had such an odd texture. I knew where the school was and drove to it.  I found the house I saw while projected. The reason I saw an odd texture was because my mode of perception while out of body saw the walls of the house and the roof at the same time. The tiles on the roof were the exact same shade of green and had the same texture as the house I saw while out of body. There are five houses on this block and the house was located in the middle of the house as it was during the OBE.

-One time I was meditating and heard a little dog barking outside. I thought it was from down the street. I wondered what it was doing in front of my house.  Suddenly I saw a clear image of a dog barking that looked completely different from the dog down the street and I had never seen it before. I got up and looked out the window, and saw the dog I saw while meditating.  This experience shows that non-physical perception does exist.

-I've received spirit messages about things I've had no way of knowing about, which I later confirmed.