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Message started by spooky2 on Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:20pm

Title: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by spooky2 on Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:20pm
Here are some impressions and experiences of Bruce's 6-day workshop in Germany, 1 1/2 weeks ago, if you are interested in more background, it's in Bruce's "Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook".
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Bruce taught us the preliminary process, which is slow relaxing breaths, gathering energy, feeling love.
Then an imagination sequence, which can be to go to our own special place which we had created before, and then meeting a helper who would bring us to our destination.

 As I had already created a special place about three years before, I expected to go there, but a helper I hadn't seen before brought me to a new place, so I now have a new special place. To me it seemed, in TMI terms, this new special place was more similar to the feeling of Focus 15, whereas in the TMI exercise the own special place is supposed to be located in Focus 27.

 We then had two retrieval exercises, one of them supposed to be in one of the Belief System Territories, which both worked for me and many others of our group.

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Meeting a hindering belief exercise
After the preliminary process I found me in room, dark, old styled furniture; then, the living room of my parent's house. I looked around; came to the front door, and a scene came into my mind, I attempted to run out through the front door, but stumbled over the threshold and fell down to the ground. I thought about if this really had happened, but couldn't decide. I didn't know what this could mean, so I looked out for something different which would lead me to a hindering belief.
 Some flickering bits of visuals, until I saw in front of me my left hand in water, making swim-movements. This got my attention, as I immediately remembered, I had very beautiful dreams about how easy and what a pleasure it is to swim, while in the physical I never ever have swum. So, that was interesting. Then I "saw" a very little child, almost a baby, and "knew" to the left of this child is water, and it reached out for it, wanted to get into it, but a voice said: "No! It's too hot." I figured, maybe that child was me, or at least had something to do with me; hindering belief...then a chain of thoughts (maybe memories) appeared, an older child (probably me), was about to go out, and therefore wrapped thickly in clothes by mother, because it's cold outside. I then drew a line to the present-me, and knew, this is alluding to my old problem, my anxiety in the physical of everything "new". New people, new places, and even to stop doing one thing to do another thing makes me feel uncomfortable, as well having any fixed dates. From the land into the water, from the well-temperatured into the hot / into the cold, I had apparently developed a habit to 1. notice something as "change", 2. identify this as dangerous, needing protection and caution, and sometimes, simply avoid anything new.
 So, that's a target, I thought, and expressed my will that I want to meet this "oh no, better not"- belief. It appeared something like a technical device, not clear, it resembled a little disk with a switch at it's side- pretty much like an asthma- medicament I had used. I said in my mind, that it's service is no longer needed, if something "new" does appear for me, instead of making me feel uncomfortable, it should simply tell me "analyze", I would analyze the situation, make a decision, and that was it!
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Since then, this feeling of uncomfortability had reappeared, and I thought, "it doesn't work!" until I remembered to "analyze" and decide what to do. Then the feeling diminished. I am now about to fine-tune this more, so that not every minute I had to "analyze" something. Phew, seems you have to chose your words carefully!
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 Writing this down, I have just found, this first impression, me stumbling over the threshold, makes quite sense, as it obviously symbolizes to enter something new (outside the protecting familiar home), and my problem with that. I haven't got this symbology until now, writing it down again.
 Another thing is, why showed this belief up as my old asthma- medicament? Maybe because asthma sometimes can be connected to anxiety and avoidance.
 And of course, the me in the water, swimming, alludes to something what I think I cannot do, but what I could do (have it done in dreams) if I only wouldn't worry too much about it.

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Meeting an aspect of self exercise
 In this exercise, we looked for a "part" of ourselves, which is not only a belief, but something bigger, almost a person, split off from us for whatever reason. We were adviced by Bruce to meet a helper first, who would guide us to such an aspect of ourselves.
 Now, I couldn't really be as open-minded as I'd liked to, as I had to think before the exercise of some of my mind-journeys and other occurances that pointed out to me there is a previous life of mine (or at least a life which is closely connected to me) which was hard, and somehow I felt I'm not over it yet. From this, I had built up quite some tension and whatever kind of energy, that I had to make preparations on my own before the exercise, just to do anything. I had half imagined, half it came on itself, three spheres, one bigger, in which I was with some helpers, one smaller, in which I imagined this aspect to be, and one encompassing, symbolizing my higher self. So, that was my preparation, and I found this scene then in the exercise.
 From the bigger sphere, where I was in, a tube went to the smaller one, where I thought this aspect of me to be in. I walked through the tube and entered the small sphere and looked around. Somehow below me, I found a young woman (as expected) inside a small room. She was very angry, despaired and frustrated. I was counseling this with the helper(s), and what came out was, this woman is not the actual woman of that past-life, but an aspect of me which came into existence in my present life, as a reaction to my subconscious memory of that previous life. It is holding anger and frustration, and will not let it go, as every anger and frustration, which I feel, this aspect grabs and looks at it as an affirmation of it's own beliefs and existence, which in turn means to me, I would feel this anger and frustration, but it would be difficult to let it go, as this aspect would hold it.
 So I decided, I had to re-solve this aspect into me-here again. I noticed, in the room this aspect was, there was a door, and she was looking at this door, as if waiting for someone to come. I then briefly found myself in two positions at the same time, my previous position, and added, her position, looking at the door, and it seems she was waiting for someone to release her. Of course, that's what I did, I opened the door, no introduction necessary, and hugged her, and she let herself taken inside me. I quickly returned to waking consciousness.
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This exercise was, especially in the first time, before actually meeting that aspect, accompanied by a large amount of physical stress symptoms, as rapid heartbeat, blood noise in the ears, a feeling of narrowness and thoughts of giving up, stop it. After the exercise I felt trembly and had sudden, brief times of depression, which some hours later vanished.
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The meeting a belief, and the meeting an aspect of self exercises seem to have changed something within me. It is as if they removed some of my old viewpoints, so that I now can see other aspects and mechanisms of me which I couldn't see before.  

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Contacting a passed over person known by one participant
In two exercises, we tried to meet a passed over person known by one participant. In the first exercise we drew papers with the name written on it, in the second we had groups who drew an envelope with the name written on it, and a photograph of the person inside.
 In the debriefings, we had not this one detailed "wow!" hit. Many things we found in the explorings were too general, or couldn't be assigned to the person. But there were some details which were definitely more than coincidents. In one case, the group brought back really many fitting things, and some of them quite special. In another case, some details of the group member's explorations fitted with those of the other group members, but turned not out to be significant, while some details of the single members were quite good, one even very good. In other cases there were single details which were said to be typical for this person. Two members of one group reported, when they opened the envelope after the exploration to see the photography of the person they were supposed to meet, there were almost shocked to see that it was the person they have met.
So, to me there were enough similarities and hints that were beyond conincidence. On the other hand, it seems to be difficult to get a precise, clear, long scene which is an event of the passed over person's life AND is known to the living relative/friend, to find a way to concentrate only on the, for the living relative/friend, meaningful informations. However, it was quite enough to say I'm working on it, and I hope the other participants too!

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After this workshop I had some intense explorations, it really enhanced my exploration- abilities/energies. So, even if you're already in this business, I can recommend it, as it gives you quite a push, when you are like me who tends to be a bit lazy at times!

Thanks Bruce!

Spooky

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by Darth Benedict on Oct 16th, 2007 at 6:00am

spooky2 wrote on Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:20pm:
Here are some impressions and experiences of Bruce's 6-day workshop in Germany, 1 1/2 weeks ago, if you are interested in more background, it's in Bruce's "Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook".
----------------------------------

Bruce taught us the preliminary process, which is slow relaxing breaths, gathering energy, feeling love.
Then an imagination sequence, which can be to go to our own special place which we had created before, and then meeting a helper who would bring us to our destination.

 As I had already created a special place about three years before, I expected to go there, but a helper I hadn't seen before brought me to a new place, so I now have a new special place. To me it seemed, in TMI terms, this new special place was more similar to the feeling of Focus 15, whereas in the TMI exercise the own special place is supposed to be located in Focus 27.

 We then had two retrieval exercises, one of them supposed to be in one of the Belief System Territories, which both worked for me and many others of our group.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Meeting a hindering belief exercise
After the preliminary process I found me in room, dark, old styled furniture; then, the living room of my parent's house. I looked around; came to the front door, and a scene came into my mind, I attempted to run out through the front door, but stumbled over the threshold and fell down to the ground. I thought about if this really had happened, but couldn't decide. I didn't know what this could mean, so I looked out for something different which would lead me to a hindering belief.
 Some flickering bits of visuals, until I saw in front of me my left hand in water, making swim-movements. This got my attention, as I immediately remembered, I had very beautiful dreams about how easy and what a pleasure it is to swim, while in the physical I never ever have swum. So, that was interesting. Then I "saw" a very little child, almost a baby, and "knew" to the left of this child is water, and it reached out for it, wanted to get into it, but a voice said: "No! It's too hot." I figured, maybe that child was me, or at least had something to do with me; hindering belief...then a chain of thoughts (maybe memories) appeared, an older child (probably me), was about to go out, and therefore wrapped thickly in clothes by mother, because it's cold outside. I then drew a line to the present-me, and knew, this is alluding to my old problem, my anxiety in the physical of everything "new". New people, new places, and even to stop doing one thing to do another thing makes me feel uncomfortable, as well having any fixed dates. From the land into the water, from the well-temperatured into the hot / into the cold, I had apparently developed a habit to 1. notice something as "change", 2. identify this as dangerous, needing protection and caution, and sometimes, simply avoid anything new.
 So, that's a target, I thought, and expressed my will that I want to meet this "oh no, better not"- belief. It appeared something like a technical device, not clear, it resembled a little disk with a switch at it's side- pretty much like an asthma- medicament I had used. I said in my mind, that it's service is no longer needed, if something "new" does appear for me, instead of making me feel uncomfortable, it should simply tell me "analyze", I would analyze the situation, make a decision, and that was it!
-----------------------------------------------------

Since then, this feeling of uncomfortability had reappeared, and I thought, "it doesn't work!" until I remembered to "analyze" and decide what to do. Then the feeling diminished. I am now about to fine-tune this more, so that not every minute I had to "analyze" something. Phew, seems you have to chose your words carefully!
------------------------------------------------------

 Writing this down, I have just found, this first impression, me stumbling over the threshold, makes quite sense, as it obviously symbolizes to enter something new (outside the protecting familiar home), and my problem with that. I haven't got this symbology until now, writing it down again.
 Another thing is, why showed this belief up as my old asthma- medicament? Maybe because asthma sometimes can be connected to anxiety and avoidance.
 And of course, the me in the water, swimming, alludes to something what I think I cannot do, but what I could do (have it done in dreams) if I only wouldn't worry too much about it.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Meeting an aspect of self exercise
 In this exercise, we looked for a "part" of ourselves, which is not only a belief, but something bigger, almost a person, split off from us for whatever reason. We were adviced by Bruce to meet a helper first, who would guide us to such an aspect of ourselves.
 Now, I couldn't really be as open-minded as I'd liked to, as I had to think before the exercise of some of my mind-journeys and other occurances that pointed out to me there is a previous life of mine (or at least a life which is closely connected to me) which was hard, and somehow I felt I'm not over it yet. From this, I had built up quite some tension and whatever kind of energy, that I had to make preparations on my own before the exercise, just to do anything. I had half imagined, half it came on itself, three spheres, one bigger, in which I was with some helpers, one smaller, in which I imagined this aspect to be, and one encompassing, symbolizing my higher self. So, that was my preparation, and I found this scene then in the exercise.
 From the bigger sphere, where I was in, a tube went to the smaller one, where I thought this aspect of me to be in. I walked through the tube and entered the small sphere and looked around. Somehow below me, I found a young woman (as expected) inside a small room. She was very angry, despaired and frustrated. I was counseling this with the helper(s), and what came out was, this woman is not the actual woman of that past-life, but an aspect of me which came into existence in my present life, as a reaction to my subconscious memory of that previous life. It is holding anger and frustration, and will not let it go, as every anger and frustration, which I feel, this aspect grabs and looks at it as an affirmation of it's own beliefs and existence, which in turn means to me, I would feel this anger and frustration, but it would be difficult to let it go, as this aspect would hold it.
 So I decided, I had to re-solve this aspect into me-here again. I noticed, in the room this aspect was, there was a door, and she was looking at this door, as if waiting for someone to come. I then briefly found myself in two positions at the same time, my previous position, and added, her position, looking at the door, and it seems she was waiting for someone to release her. Of course, that's what I did, I opened the door, no introduction necessary, and hugged her, and she let herself taken inside me. I quickly returned to waking consciousness.
-------------------------------
This exercise was, especially in the first time, before actually meeting that aspect, accompanied by a large amount of physical stress symptoms, as rapid heartbeat, blood noise in the ears, a feeling of narrowness and thoughts of giving up, stop it. After the exercise I felt trembly and had sudden, brief times of depression, which some hours later vanished.
-------------------------------------

The meeting a belief, and the meeting an aspect of self exercises seem to have changed something within me. It is as if they removed some of my old viewpoints, so that I now can see other aspects and mechanisms of me which I couldn't see before.  

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Contacting a passed over person known by one participant
In two exercises, we tried to meet a passed over person known by one participant. In the first exercise we drew papers with the name written on it, in the second we had groups who drew an envelope with the name written on it, and a photograph of the person inside.
 In the debriefings, we had not this one detailed "wow!" hit. Many things we found in the explorings were too general, or couldn't be assigned to the person. But there were some details which were definitely more than coincidents. In one case, the group brought back really many fitting things, and some of them quite special. In another case, some details of the group member's explorations fitted with those of the other group members, but turned not out to be significant, while some details of the single members were quite good, one even very good. In other cases there were single details which were said to be typical for this person. Two members of one group reported, when they opened the envelope after the exploration to see the photography of the person they were supposed to meet, there were almost shocked to see that it was the person they have met.
So, to me there were enough similarities and hints that were beyond conincidence. On the other hand, it seems to be difficult to get a precise, clear, long scene which is an event of the passed over person's life AND is known to the living relative/friend, to find a way to concentrate only on the, for the living relative/friend, meaningful informations. However, it was quite enough to say I'm working on it, and I hope the other participants too!

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

After this workshop I had some intense explorations, it really enhanced my exploration- abilities/energies. So, even if you're already in this business, I can recommend it, as it gives you quite a push, when you are like me who tends to be a bit lazy at times!

Thanks Bruce!

Spooky


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Sounds like a self-hypnosis workshop based on a theme....Tell us your explorations, Spooky?
Travel the world and visit every major tourist site! All on your money!..Darth. May Both Sides
of the Force be with you. This Guy is One hell Of a New Age Snake Oil Salesman!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by LaffingRain on Oct 16th, 2007 at 8:23am
HI Spooky, I didn't know you were going to attend a workshop! I'm reading your report right now..Spooky is much much more than a snake oil salesman Darth, and Spooky I see the opposite of lazy..I see a hard worker to get past the blocks sometimes we have in exploring.

as usual, finding a love feeling before explorations is a theme I see repeated in Bruce's books and workshops and I think the feeling love exercises acts to make us feel safe when we explore the nooks and crannies of retrievals, aspects, fears and roots of belief systems.

Note what Spooky took away from the whole thing: an enhanced awareness and motivation to explore further while working on the areas he realized he needs to work on. One of those areas was to not just turn away from something new, but to analyze first and make another choice, or give himself a choice to go into something new, rather to always stay with the comfortable habit of non-change.
this is very important to be a non-reactive person and take the reins, to say, well, maybe something new is ok too, to at least look at it unbiased.

as regards the retrieval and looking at a photograph and recognizing that you have seen them in your mind, I know this happens! its most intriguing that the mind can envision a face and then in the here and now come across that face. its the hugest confirmation that we are correctly evolving in this fascinating field. I don't know how a mere picture can evoke such detailed information but it does.

the aspect which held onto non/change as female is interesting. female polarity can be denoted as passive, along comes Spooky, the higher self, the active polarity, embraces the more passive softer side of himself, accepts her and there is integration, and a merging; it's PUL. to say unconditional acceptance of ones own self.
u must love yourself before you can love others I found to be true, so thanks for what you have given us. I know it's a mere glimpse of the entire process you must have went through.
swimming, something you've never done, is an excellent symbol your mind gave you for the theme of entering new waters, new territory this workshop.

thanks again Spooky. It would be fun to see Bruce work in real time! I only seen him in obe!  love, alysia

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by vajra on Oct 16th, 2007 at 8:40am
:) Can't comment on the efficacy of snake oil as a consciousness raiser, but it's sometimes quite amazing the way that joining a group in a committed frame of mind at something like this course or a retreat can raise everybody's energy levels or vibe to an amazing degree. Quite remarkable things can happen.....

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by betson on Oct 16th, 2007 at 9:38am
Well done, Spooky!

Thanks for sharing some of what happens there.  I would call the effects of such a group's consciousness as more an elixir!   :)   I didn't know anyone could have so many experiences within such a short time--maybe it's that's elixir again.   [smiley=beer.gif]

Were you surprised to be escorted to focus Level 15? Does that mean you have some work there to do, or did the new focus level mean to show you that such work was to be done there at the workshop?  And you did it !

Your report is making those workshops seem more real, not just a mysterious place where some have dissappeared into. I appreciate it.

PUL, Bets

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by Romain on Oct 16th, 2007 at 4:27pm
Hey Spooky;
Thanks for sharing your important discoveries of yourself. Would love to do it again (Bruce workshop) and it will someday.

Regarding you new place in F15. Strange that you said that because TMI do ask us to make a place in 21 and Bruce 27 where mine is also but i do find myself quite often in 15.
Seems like 15 is my springboard to higher lever these days. Bypassing Miranom (F15-21) humans llevels don't know why as of yet. But i think i should do the same and build another place in 15 too and see what come out of it.

Thank you very much for sharing Spooky and keep up the good work...and no you are not lazy...:)
With love;Romain

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by spooky2 on Oct 16th, 2007 at 5:42pm
Hi everybody,

Darth:
Of course self hypnosis. What's not self hypnosis? Self hypnosis can lead to enlightenment or to delusion. The whole life is consisting of permanently hypnotizing yourself. And, to one it's gold, to the other snake oil- everyone can decide for oneself. Take it- or leave it.
 I'd like to note that Bruce has made strong the element of proof in his teachings. He adviced us to look out for proofs, as this is an important factor in enhancing our perception, instead of following blindly the "truths" of a guru. He taught us a method to find out for ourselves, rather than stating "facts". But, a minimum of front loading is principally necessary in every teaching.

Alysia:
Quote: "finding a love feeling before explorations is a theme I see repeated in Bruce's books and workshops and I think the feeling love exercises acts to make us feel safe when we explore the nooks and crannies of retrievals, aspects, fears and roots of belief systems."
 Yes, feeling love does take away fear, and this alone is removing blocks. From my experiences, it does even more, as there is this element of "acceptance" in it, so it would not only allow those things to come to mind which would block because of fear, but as well allow things to come to mind which otherwise would be blocked because of any kind of beliefs, taste, moral etc. And, for me, it can appear as a powerful energy which has a focusing and activating effect. Bruce said, if he had only one exercise to teach, he would teach this one.

Betson and Romain,
in TMI's "Lifeline" we were suggested to create an own special place in Focus 27. I have heard, in other TMI exercises, and on purchasable records, there are additional exercises to create places on other Focus Levels for some reasons. At this workshop, Bruce didn't specify where we should create our own place. Since TMI's Gateway Voyage in 2004, Focus 15 has a special quality for me, usually I "jump over" it, but sometimes I stay longer there. To me, it has a private, calm feeling with it, but as well can be a starting point for some explorations, mainly concerning oneself, so to say, to meet oneself (the persons/guides I met there felt to be very close to me). Now, I cannot tell of an exact reason why I came to F15 to create my place there, but it might be a pointer that it would have some benefit to me to visit more often there.

Spooky

Title: Re: Bruce's Workshop in Germany, some impressions
Post by LaffingRain on Oct 16th, 2007 at 9:41pm
hey Spooky, all, I checked my files for focus levels and here's what I had written down:

Focus 15 -- No time, view past lives, future lives

Focus 21 -- The bridge to the afterlife
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so since Spooky was thinking about other lives, it seems to fit he was in focus 15. I think the bridge to the afterlife is a state of knowing, and knowing that you know. if that makes sense.

love, alysia

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