I know it's already passed the "Fire The Grid." I was just wondering if, this lady could be right about the whole thing be a negative thing for us to do..

Here is the link to the site... http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2007/07/08/don%E2%80%99t-fire-the-grid-it-is-our-prison/

peace and love

Did you read the manuscript by Dimitri Hristrianos? There's a lot of truth in there that I can recognize. I can see why it would be difficult for people to have the patience to hear it.  

I am personally intrigued by the idea of reverse speech and am certainly tempted to try reproducing the interesting results these people are having.

thank you, bink :)

Hey Blink,

Yeah, I read that whole thing.. It was very interesting.. I have heard Led Zep's stairway to heaven played backwards before and heard him actually praise satan before... So, the truth does come out in reverse.. Glad someone else is interested in this kindof stuff..

peace and love

NO NO NO, not more of that David Ike CR_P. People get a grip on yourselfs. Lets see now, the queen of England eats babies with the Bush family and who know who else. There all reptilian and their here to take our babies to eat them.
Need I say more?
Oh yea, "Paul is dead".
Joe

hawkeye wrote on Oct 5^th, 2007 at 5:05pm:

NO NO NO, not more of that David Ike CR_P. People get a grip on yourselfs. Lets see now, the queen of England eats babies with the Bush family and who know who else. There all reptilian and their here to take our babies to eat them. Need I say more? Oh yea, "Paul is dead". Joe

I'm, not going that far my friend.. I do believe in Reptillian entities though and other different kinds of lifeforms on different planets... Remember this is a big universe and different dimensions...

peace and love

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I have heard Led Zep's stairway to heaven played backwards before and heard him actually praise satan before... So, the truth does come out in reverse..

if you listen to the whole thing backwards, he's not praising satan at all - it's like a fairy tale of which satan is a part of

there are reverse speech examples on youtube.  my favorites are nirvana's songs.  he says a lot of really negative stuff - in one song he screams "i hate you!  i hate you!"  for the chorus.  in another he says something like "yes i did kill myself."  it's pretty uncanny how many negative things he says backwards in his songs considering how negative his songs were.  

Briggs.... Me to. I believe in the reptillian looking entities also. I have met one during a meditation. Not only are they over there, but they can communicate here also. My concern was more on the David Ike thing and the Queen being one, and their eating babies and the rest as posted on his web page and in his books. That, for lack of a better word, could be possably called insanity. Its looks like a cult manipulation thing. Keep the followers freeked out and sending in the cash. Please excuse my ignorance regarding your post.
Joe
(wonder what comes out if you were play this backwards?)

hawkeye wrote on Oct 5^th, 2007 at 7:22pm:

Briggs.... Me to. I believe in the reptillian looking entities also. I have met one during a meditation. Not only are they over there, but they can communicate here also. My concern was more on the David Ike thing and the Queen being one, and their eating babies and the rest as posted on his web page and in his books. That, for lack of a better word, could be possably called insanity. Its looks like a cult manipulation thing. Keep the followers freeked out and sending in the cash. Please excuse my ignorance regarding your post. Joe (wonder what comes out if you were play this backwards?)

I have seen one too.. That is in just my dreams..  I know what you're saying about David Icke.. I like his work and what not.. I think he's gone a bit to far though..

No, problem about the post earlier..

LOL That's funny, I wonder what would come out of what you said...

peace and love

i love conspiracies, but i think david icke is simply paranoid.  paranoid people will fit any wacky theory on to any innocent fact.  what they're scared to admit is, life is a lot more boring than they think.

I know that many humans have reptilian characteristics. (Cold blooded, no conscience.) And many of them get into positions of power. We pay their salaries, pay them to torture animals in the name of science, or to pose as "leaders", and I have to say that I have seen reptilians in the military. Warm blood means nothing to a reptilian. It's basically just a stetched out hot water bottle disguised as blood veins. Sneaky they are.  >:(    I agree with some of what David Icke says, and yes, he's sticking his neck out, but he doesn't personally terrify me. I can think of people far more bizarre, and menacing than he is.

what's wrong with "torturing" animals for science if it leads to knowledge and medicine that saves human lives?  better than experimenting on humans like hitler did.

we humans mostly agree that humans are more important than animals - that's why we eat them for our own enjoyment & nutrition :)

David Icke actually makes a pretty decent case.

That said I'm not at all convinced of the reality of his claims of some sort of reptilian race living among us. Not because it doesn't fit the observable reality in terms of people's behaviours, but because reptilian behaviour is precisely what you get from a person of high intellect cut off from the heart or from God because they are driven purely by selfish motives or ego.

I've met a few. Their every effort is towards self advancement, and the complexity, subtlety and immorality of their plays can be mind blowing. They appear smooth and unruffled, but that's a front and underneath they are driven by fear. Certain high ranking politicians and members of the Bush administration come to mind.

The reptilian claim sounds to me a little like a convenient way of rationalising away the nasty aspect of humanity - a way of in effect sanitising all of us good guys.

It's unfortunately I think not that easy. Most of us are spiritually open enough and have had good enough karma to be born into life circumstances where combinations of right upbringing, loving parents and life's little reverses and other's responses to these have opened us to the importance of love.

But I'm not too sure that we'd all turn out AOK in this regard if born into a family with wealth, experienced little or no love or spiritual growth, were convinced that no reality exists except this, were taught to pursue power and money as ends in themselves and if out of fortunate good health, ability and luck in undertakings came to believe ourselves to be somehow above the rabble. Some of these people seem to work very hard to deny their higher instincts - actually the definition of evil.

Perhaps in the end the distinction doesn't matter that much - maybe the entirely ego controlled mind is essentially reptilian......  

Vajra, yes. Prisons are too good for the Reptilian leaders. They are attempting to clean up their images in the news right now, but their hearts are solid ice.  I have lost a few friends because they sold out for power, and materialism. I am not in the "save a human" business, so I am letting them flounder. Karma will take care of them. It's not possible to convince them that Spirituality needn't be connected ONLY to a specific handfull of religions. They can be psychic vampires, too. Meditation  for them ? Never. Spending money is all they want to do. I might be by myself, but I never feel alone. They don't get that part.

For sure Gweex. I'm sorry about your friends. Not sure what might have happened but we're lucky here in that we don't for example have military service and are a country that's too insignificant to get involved in militaristic adventures.

But karma is not so much a case of the baddies getting their 'just deserts' as an impartial teaching tool that ultimately embodies love - we often need breaking down before we become able to open - to see past our delusion. Because of this and despite the pain they cause these people are worthy of the height of compassion.

We've all discovered or in our hearts know that egotistical behaviour does not lead to anything more than a passing but unsatisfactory sort of happiness, and that longer term the consequences can only be suffering.

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But I'm not too sure that we'd all turn out AOK in this regard if born into a family with wealth, experienced little or no love or spiritual growth

every serial killer was abused growing up.  

it's obvious where lindsay lohan and paris hilton's attitudes come from - their parents.

humans are more of a product of our circumstances than we'd like to admit..

the_seeker wrote on Oct 5^th, 2007 at 11:32pm:

we humans mostly agree that humans are more important than animals - that's why we eat them for our own enjoyment & nutrition :)

Speak for yourself. I'm a vegetarian and totally disagree funnily enough.

Moving along, reverse speech is very intriguing. I've heard many samples from guests who capture reverse speech, EVP and ITC in the paranormal podcast shows that I listen to.

http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm

The discoverer of reverse speech is David John Oates one of my fellow countryman (Australian)  8-)

Time will probably in my view bring us to a place where we realise that animals have souls/spirit/immortality much the same as we do. We may even find some while not very intellectual teach us more than we realise and that all contribute. e.g. cats. It's quite remarkable how they light up and start to relate when shown love - it's equally not too surprising given the way most are treated that they don't connect much with most people.

Reverse speaking. I've not heard of it before. Is the idea that we give away what we really think when what we say is reversed?  Could it be (presuming it's for real - has anybody actually tried it out for themselves?) that when you reverse speech that you get the reverse of the intention? Does it work for script? Other languages?

Hi Seeker animals should not be tortured for any reason and though humans rule the world,the animals were on earth long before we were,i sometimes think animals treat you better than humans do as there love is unconditional and human love always seems to come with conditions to it.

Some of those experimental labs seem to enjoy hurting animals,they must do ,or they wouldnt work there,i dont agree at all that animals should be tested on for cosmetics.

Thats like those spoilt rich idiots that jump on a horse and hunt a fox,only to sit and watch,while that fox screams in terror and pain and they do this after christmas day lunch on the day that Jesus was born,which is an insult to the love thats supposed to be shared for the birth of Jesus,there just a load of idiots that were born with a silver spoon up there jacksy,that they got no respect for those animals and no respect for what christmas day is all about.

The only reptiles i know of is the ones i see on tv or read about and thats all there is as far as im concerned.For all i care David Icke can go take a hike.

This is where David Icke should go  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPjggN-KByI

Love and God bless all in the world and the animal kingdom   love juditha

:) Atta girl Juditha!!! Give it socks....

i don't like animal torture either - i just mean for scientific research, it is a necessary evil - like world war 2, that was a necessary evil.  

i don't think animal torture is good..  but don't see anything wrong with eating them because our bodies evolved to eat meat.  

I'm a vegetarian because I was horrified when I saw the reality of factory farming and all the mistreatment of cows + chickens. Just because they aren't cuddly like pets doesn't mean they don't have feelings or souls. The arguments in favour of vegetarianism are also compelling from an environmental standpoint, (with all the methane gas from cows etc) and also humanitarian reasons (the grain to feed livestock could be used to feed the starving people) I believe that everything has soul essence because everything at the highest level is connected in oneness. Since I do not need to eat meat in order to survive I choose not to. I can get the protein I require from nuts. I was always a bit nuts  :D

Hi Vajra{Ian)   Thanks  love and God bless you    love juditha :)

If our bodies evolved to eat meat, why do we not pounce, and tear into the raw flesh with our claws and teeth ? (and don't forget the earplugs. There will be a lot of fear, and pleading on the part of the victim. )

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If our bodies evolved to eat meat, why do we not pounce, and tear into the raw flesh with our claws and teeth ?

because we don't need to - we can make weapons

anyway there's nothing wrong with being a vegetarian, but i'd rather eat something filling.. that i crave... meat

A vegetarian diet can be very filling. Particuarly South Asian Food - pappadams, naan bread, samosas.

Not exactly sure what this has to with reverse speech? I know where I stand as far as my eating habits are concerned.

Never say die wrote on Oct 10^th, 2007 at 4:41am:

A vegetarian diet can be very filling. Particuarly South Asian Food - pappadams, naan bread, samosas. Not exactly sure what this has to with reverse speech? I know where I stand as far as my eating habits are concerned.

PLANT KILLER!!! :P

Plants do not feel pain and fear in the same way animals do. Human beings are alot like animals, we just create the illusion that we're not.

But again what does that have to do with reverse speech??

Hi my reverse speech is slamina  evol

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QBlUQoDmVh4

Love and God bless    Love juditha

Never say die wrote on Oct 8^th, 2007 at 8:57am:

the_seeker wrote on Oct 5th, 2007 at 11:32pm: we humans mostly agree that humans are more important than animals - that's why we eat them for our own enjoyment & nutrition :) Speak for yourself. I'm a vegetarian and totally disagree funnily enough.

I whole heartedly concur with Michael!


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Moving along, reverse speech is very intriguing. I've heard many samples from guests who capture reverse speech, EVP and ITC in the paranormal podcast shows that I listen to. http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm The discoverer of reverse speech is David John Oates one of my fellow countryman (Australian)  8-)

 Thank for the link!  I can't believe this is the first time that i came upon this stuff, it's really interesting, and i think there is definitely something to it, though i would like to run my own experiments on it to really check it out...     All hail you awesome Aussies ;)

 As far as Firing the Grid, and the earlier link...   Well, it reminds me of an old saying, "a half truth is worse than a whole lie, for it can deceiveth even the Soul."

   I participated in the meditation that day, though i didn't specifically meditate on "firing the grid" as in the manner that lady outlined.  I just decided to tap into the Oneness, and to hold the Earth in a healing perspective, and see it being healed, with the intent of connecting consciously to all those who were also meditating with this motivation.   Basically i was raising the vibratory energies of the physical Earth, and all contained within, yet saying, "not my will but the Creative forces will be done".

  My meditation aside, even if many people had meditated more specifically on the channels suggestion of 'firing the grid', i can't see how this could have a destructive affect from any perspective.   The point of the meditation was the intent for many to come together with the intent and motivation of participating in the healing of the Earth.   It's far more the inner intents, motivations, feelings, etc. which matter more than the specific visualizations!   Or in other words, its the Spirit behind the law, which is far more important than the letter of the law. If the inner ideals, motivations, intents, etc. are positive, then it attracts and manifests positivity, if negative the same.   Geez, sometimes i think people need to use more common meta-sense when talking about and looking into this kind of stuff.  

  I say all the above, whilst even believing in the Reptilian E.T.'s whom i know are not particularly positive or well intentioned to other aspects of creation, such as us.  Part of the reason of why i believe these do exist, is that i was talking to a young man i know and interact with regularly, who has slight mental retardation.   Somehow UFO's and stuff like this came up a couple of times in our talks, and we exchanged some beliefs and experiences.  I was rather surprised to find that he believed in anything like UFO's or E.T.'s to begin with, as he seems like a very grounded personality.   He is not a person prone to flights of fancy by any means.  

He told me that once when he lived out in the boonies around age 9 or so, late at night, he heard a loudish thud from outside his house.  He went to look out the window, and saw a large reptillian face staring back at him.  He completely freaked out and started yelling at the top of his lungs.    The face and figure stayed for a bit, turned its head and left.  

 I considered other possible explanations, and the thought occurred to me that a pranking teenage was wearing a mask, and trying to cause some trouble or drama.   I subtly suggested this possibility, and he said that at the time he thought about that too, but he said he would have been able to tell if this was just a person wearing a mask, when this figure turned its face sideways.   He saw no indication of a mask, and he said that it had a large forked tongue lolling out of its mouth, which he saw move.   Well, i believe him, and either way, i don't think he is making up the story whatsoever.   He is a rather quiet and shy kind of a guy in many respects, and only seemed to tell me this because i felt spontaneously and intuitively motivated to share some of my own experiences and opinions first.  
What was pretty funny, is that one time, one of the first times that UFO's had come up, we had just come out of the local library, and i mentioned something about You tube UFO videos and asked him if he had ever seen the one about the ancient paintings, artifacts, etc. dealing with UFO's and seeming E.T.'s and he said yes, about a couple minutes later, after pulling out of the Library parking lot, in front of us, was a truck with the license plate of, i shit you not, UFO followed by numbers....   Yeah, and we don't live in Roswell, we live in eastern VA!  I don't ever remember seeing another license plate with UFO in capital letters before or since.  I guess that might fall under the category of 'synchronicity'? 8-)

 btw, i'm not a fan of Icke and again believe that the above saying i first mentioned holds a lot of truth in relation to him and his info as well, though i do believe there is a 'cabal' of sorts, and that 9-11 was orchestrated by certain factions connected to the U.S. gov. and private interests groups.  Maybe that makes me a crazy conspiracy freak, but honestly i'm not much interested in this stuff anymore at all, read very little about this or politics in general, and mostly go by what my (and Becky's) guidance tells me either directly or indirectly on what i believe to be certain key issues.  
One thing i know and am sure about, we live in a very, very, very corrupt, materialistic, and selfish world right now (particularly in the U.S.), and there are some who are so power hungry and yet extremely filled with fear, that to most 'normal' people its initially unbelievable.   We are simply just walking numbers and dollars signs to these types, many whom have much power and influence in the material sense.  They seem to care about nothing except for the little, seemingly separated self and its material 'happiness' and comfort...

wrote on Oct 6^th, 2007 at 8:10am:

The reptilian claim sounds to me a little like a convenient way of rationalising away the nasty aspect of humanity - a way of in effect sanitising all of us good guys.

Agreed, Vaj.  The few times I've focused briefly on anything concerned with the reptilians, the result hasn't been at all pleasant, admittedly; a lot of darkness and fear there.  However, I don't believe in a race of them that are physically present and like eating us, for a couple of different reasons:-

1)  As you say, we're perfectly capable, as a species, of being evil all on our own.  That isn't to say that the majority of us are, but there are some of us who consistently make fear-based choices.  To a large degree, it pains me to admit that I'm one of them...but I lean more in the direction of simply isolating myself...not persuing money and power at the extent of other people's wellbeing.

2)  I at least try and believe that the light/positive entities are sufficiently powerful and care enough about us that they wouldn't allow a race of physically incarnate, sentient, maneating reptiles to live among us.  I believe personally that the reason why nuclear war in particular is not going to happen is because God/the positive powers refuse to permit it...so I have to believe that they're at least sufficiently powerful to regulate which extraterrestrials are allowed here, as well.

My limited experience in dealing with the reptilians tends to make my understanding that they just don't think we have much to offer them as a race of beings. What they do do is come to feed. Feed off our emotion. Its the one thing they don't have is our ups and downs emotionally. Their existence is far more stagnant with little change and few new experiences. They see us moving through a expanse of changes and the emotion that these experiences bring. A zoo of our own making. They are not here to eat babies or have tea with the Queen of England.
Joe

Hi Petrus.  :) Don't worry, almost all of us I think struggle with fear and there's no spiritual gain in knocking on ourselves or taking the guilt trip. Recognising the possibility means you are well on your way. Just see it, figure the right action and move on. There's only a lucky few who have been brave and skilful enough to overcome this.

It's not just a matter of 'one size fits all' compassion. There's a term used in the Shambhala Buddhist tradition: 'idiot compassion'. What it conveys is that either indulging others who are actually indulging in ego driven or foolish behaviours (e.g. through sentimentality, or political correctness) is helpful neither to ourselves or them. A lot of wisdom is needed to discern  how we can help without damage to ourselves (doesn't mean we don't sacrifice in the right circumstances) while at the same time helping them out of their hole. (in both practical and consciousness terms)

Meaning that 'tough love' is often required, as is the wisdom to recognise when intervention won't help - that the person has to experience the negative consequences of their actions. There's a very fine line to be walked.

I'm a fan of little experiments. One of the barriers to overcome is the conditioned sense that giving out to others is not in our interest. It actually is (give and ye shall receive) done right, but done wrongly and you just get used and don't help the other. (pearls before swine)

Meaning that getting it wrong gets you used, getting it right means you give only what you intended, it helps the other and often pays back in totally unexpected ways. I've found that small positive gestures to others help us so much to build confidence that giving works.

On the reptiles Joe. I guess that one of the characteristics of the unconsciously but heavily ego identified human (the 'user') is the tendency to treat others solely as things or positive or negative contributors to the almighty 'ME'  - to lose sight of the fact that beyond this they are people (or animals or other forms of life) as deserving of loving treatment as themselves....

Vajra, how clear you make some think. Thank you for your insight. You help me grow, and for that I am very thankfull. My thanks, and love, to All of you.
Joe

Never say die wrote on Oct 11^th, 2007 at 7:30am:

Plants do not feel pain and fear in the same way animals do. Human beings are alot like animals, we just create the illusion that we're not. But again what does that have to do with reverse speech??

So, if animals didn't feel pain or fear, would that make it okay to kill and eat them than??

I'm not trying to be a prick or anything by that statement.. I just want an honest answer from you..

Plants are living things too.. Life is a big food chain imo.. I agree, animals shouldn't be tortured for sure.. I think they should be put to sleep or something..

I can trail off this subject since, this is my thread lol!!

Oh yeah, I find it quite ignorant for people to believe we are the only ones in this whole universe.. I definately, believe in aliens and reptillian humanoids.. We're not alone in this universe trust me people..

Here's a clip about a geologist that worked for the military.. He killed two grey aliens.. They were drilling holes underground 3 miles underground..  http://youtube.com/watch?v=hbONIQfQmDU