Hey everyone,

just a quick post just wondering if anyone had any ideas please. I use to OBE quite a bit and started progressing in it quite well then i stopped for a while. I am now getting back into it and managed to have a few OBEs over the past couple of nights but seem to have lost my ability to move! I have found my thinking alot clearer though but i always seem to float, i know i have my nonphysical body still but it also feels like i'm on ice, i managed to get out of my room and onto the highstreet but i just floating down to the road and ended up laying on it!! i also tried visiting places and got to the door but kept floating past, it took real effort to float the other way and i ended up grabbing onto things to pull myself in the right direction. I try to move but its like i'm paralyzed, i haven't spent to much time on it because its nice to be back out but had anyone had any troubles of this? How did you get past it? All help is much appreciated! Thanks alot,

cheers Ryan

Greetings Chillipepperfleasguy,

I've had/am having that problem too. When this happens I ask myself two questions:

Have I saved enough energy from recent events to be out and about? and
Do I need to commit to doing a retrieval ? (That part may be a personal belief that I have to 'pay my dues.' Don't impose it on yourself; it's just an option ;) )

And then listening for the answers/indications.

Even if I'm getting through daily tasks OK, it seems that a special energy may be needed, and that comes from a drink of fresh citrus with extra sugar---  Zoo-o00m!

Best wishes, Bets

Hey Betson!

thanks for the reply, i think it may be energy troubles, although i don't feel that lacking in energy, just really tired in the mornings! I might try that drink, sounds nasty though haha! thanks for the advice, i will try to question and listening idea as well as i want to ask some more questions. Thanks again

Ryan

Energy variability is a bit of an issue for me too  - there's times when the old battery is just plain flat. Although I've had a lot of illness  - thyroid issues and it seems mercury toxicity.

To ask the question. Are there methods that work in the short term for raising energy? Total celibacy?  ::) Techniques like kundalini meditation work for me, but the result too depends on how energetic i'm feeling.

It doesn't seem to be all that related to physical tiredness, but I guess there are potentially tiredness, diet/choice of food, life cycle, mood, unconscious and other factors potentially at work...

Robert Bruce (I think you have that book Ryan?) considers energy raising as a key factor for OBEs, and from his "Astral Dynamics" he points out he believes most people could have OBEs, but with quite a lot effort, everyday practising his NEW, quieting the mind and relaxation exercises.
Maybe, Ryan, it would give you a hint if you think about how you generally felt, and/or what was different to now at the time you were having your best OBEs.

Spooky

not sure Chili, but that once you get out and are floating by the door, desiring not to float by the door, try thinking of the opposite to floating, such as I am stationary and not moving. then you might gain volition of movement by tricking the mirror effect out there.

I found this in Bruce's books, "Beyond all Doubt."  another example is the universe is a mirror of your thoughts, so when you think small, the universe shows you large. Bruce was trying to get in a small doorway, and whenever he would think small, the opposite happened.
let me know if you experiment this way. I'd be curious as I've never done that.

or you could practice another way, say, seeing a problem "not there."
love, alysia
oh, and the spirit body can feel cold or frozen when in discoincidence of the physical. its just a vibratory rate thing, not to worry.

Bets has a good thought, its so easy to obe when theres a retrieval or a friend to see. as opposed to just going out for no particular objective.

Hey Ryan!  Long time no OBE talk!

Glad to hear you're getting back to it.  

Everyone has good ideas for you.  I think whatever you feel will work best for you will be what you need.  

William Buhlman in "Adventures Beyond The Body" came up with a technique that worked for him.  When he wanted clearer perception he would demand "clarity now!"  And when he wanted to gain more control he demanded "control now!"  I've never tried these things but they are just more suggestions to you.  Like I said, I think you will get a feeling for what technique will suit you.

I agree on the lack of energy thing.  Some of it could be lack of physical energy and sleep.  I know in the past you've mentioned that you tend to have more OBEs when you go without sleep.  But also I believe it could be lack of spiritual/emotional energy.  Have you had anything deeply on your mind lately?

Alysia was pointing toward some of Bruce's techniques.  I also want to add to that his feeling love exercise.  That is one of the best methods and is good for many things.  You may want to experiment with it during your next OBE where you find yourself lacking control.  It would be interesting to see what happens.  

Also, try to notice if you've sent any intent before going out of body.  Do you have an agenda in mind or are you just randomly finding yourself out?  I have a lot less control in my thinking when I don't have a clue what I plan on doing once I'm out.  

Good to see you back on the board Ryan!!

8-)

Hey guys!

Thanks for all the advice, really appreciated! I can't believe you remembered I have that book Spooky! I haven't looked at it for ages, so will take a look. Thanks for the idea about how i felt when things were good, I'm going to write down whatever comes to mind and see what I can find out.

Its just weird, my perception out there was really clear, probly just as good as it was, I just feel like i couldn't gain control of my movements. I remember reading about the seeing it not there and the opposites in Bruces books but didn't think to try any of that! I don't think I have read about the feeling love exercise aswell, which one of Bruces book is that in?

I didn't have any set agenda's, just to try to get out again to know I could do it, but when I was out the second night I set my intent to help in a retrival, as usual when I travel my vision faded and i was flying through the blackness again, it was really weird, i felt the air whizzing past me and it felt really good to be flying, I also had some weird energy movements while flying as well like i was being pushed by it? But it was like when you get that excitment feeling and tense up but it was overpowering, i was suprised i kept with it, but i ended up just flying and flying and never got anywhere, it didn't make sense.

I've got a couple of things on my mind at the moment but working on them, nothing that hasn't occured before.

Thanks again spooky alysia and vicky! Lots of things to work on! Good to see you all again! And hey Vajra!

Ryan