A teacher appeared who volunteered to tutor me. This is a physically living human being to whom I’m in constant gratitude. My teacher and I began partnered exploring. That is, we met nonphysically and carried out retrievals and other activities. After returning to the physical, we recorded our experiences in our journals and compared notes on the telephone the following day. Our notes always described exactly the same experience.

I don't know enough about Bruce Moen yet to know whether he is a person I strongly trust or who is always scrupulously honest and factual in what he says and is also not prone to self delusion or exageration etc. However, if this bit is factually true it seems some of the best evidence for a soul/other worlds I've read lately. I mean if two people can go OOB and visit an allegely real other world (as opposed to one existing purely in one person's imagination) and come back and say they remember meeting up and describe the same places and experiences, that's good news. I suppose it all depends on to what extent they "compared notes" - did they discuss details or just broad impressions and feelings?

What you believe about your soul has the potential to greatly affect your experience in the Afterlife. "Choose wisely."

This seems a rather "unfair" aspect to the after life as described by BM. I don;t think it's easy, perhaps not even possible, to choose what to believe. One of the dumbest things about mainstream Christianity IMO is the idea you are rewarded first and foremost for having the right "beliefs". What if someone is kind and good but just not very convinced about spiritual claims? I don;t see why they deserve less than some selfish, unpleasant person who nonetheless has a strong belief in an after life. An open-minded skeptic on arriving in an afterlife would say "Cool, there was one after all, so i was wrong. That's nice."

Would you like to know .......... Go to the Education Center  ...  Stop in at the Life Review Center.. .... Visit the Planning and Scheduling Centers ........... If you allow your curiosity to drive you to know, there are no limits imposed from the outside, only limits you impose on yourself.

All this sounds surprisingly Earth-like. despite being "without limits"this place still requires you to go to a kind of library and look things up to know new facts etc? I don;t even have to do that in the physical world, I can Google for facts! Then again perhaps just instantly knowling everything with no effort at all could be dull..


Is death permanent? Do you go someplace and stay there forever?
In my experience, no. However, if you believed before you died that death is permanent, you might remain stuck in Focus 23, completely alone, for a very long time. Recent exploration has uncovered a sort of permanent death. It is extremely rare, perhaps one in several billions of people makes a choice that leads to this.

Same comment as before - a good person with honestly held dounts about spiritual claims suffers some nasty solitary confiement for years on end for it - why? And what is required for the full-on "permanent death"? Sounds like the old Christian mystery about the unforgiveable sin involving blaspheming the Holy Spirit

Will I remember after I die what I did and who I was in the physical world?
As a general rule, my experience suggests the answer is yes. One of the characteristics of our existence in the Afterlife seems to be far greater access to memory of our experience. This memory includes not only the lifetime just completed, but previous lifetimes also.

How far back to past lives go anyway? A person might have had millions of past lives perhaps? Surely you wouldn;t remember tham all? Do you think souls have always existed, or do they get created at some point? Are some literally younger than others? In-between lives what kind of idea do you have of your identity? If you can recall many different lives on Earth what determines how you appear to yourself and others and who you feel you are?

What sort of experience might a person who commits suicide expect in the Afterlife?
I've met only a few people in the Afterlife who committed suicide. They killed themselves because their physical lives seemed overwhelming. Rather than try to work through it, they thought they could end all their problems by killing themselves. Imagine their shock when they woke up dead! They found the choice to kill themselves took away their opportunities to work through their problems. They still had the overwhelmed feelings they had before they died,

Much of the problems I face in life would be resolved if I suddenly got a lot of money. I hate to sound so unspiritual (genuinely - I like to think of myself as unmaterialistic and sensitive and so forth, and we are always being told by religion or spiritual teachers it us bad to attach importance to money and possessions)  but it would give me both much more freedom to live exactly how I'd like to and also help me to avoid/modify sitations and activities  that I don't enjoy. It is the freedom I would like, I wouldn't want it so as to impress everyone with status symbols. I assume in a spirit world there's no need of money or perhaps no immediate need to sustain the body with food and shelter or other kinds of material items that need to be paid for (or to support dependents in the same way). In fact in parts of the afterlife, it is said that you just have to think of something and you have it. from these respects then, I can see why some people might think suicide would help resolve some situations. Presumably a spirit in the afterlife also knows they are immortal? Which must be a great confidence boost..

Regarding the below, we can choose what we believe; however, sometimes it takes time and effort to overcome belief systems that limit us.  Usually we are afraid to let go of a belief because of an emotional attachment, quite often fear based.

If one is sincere about being a good loving person, and questions accordingly, one shouldn't be afraid of questioning anything, even if it is supposedly "bad" to do so.  Certainly the divine powers that exist, understand when a person questions for sincere reasons.

If one doesn't question, one is liable to end up with a delusional knot of fear within one's energetic system, and this doesn't help anybody.

Yes, there is the issue of faith, but faith exists at a level deeper than fear, and is found the more we let go of fear based belief systems. How can one find true faith, if one is pretending to have faith?


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[i]What you believe about your soul has the potential to greatly affect your experience in the Afterlife. "Choose wisely."

This seems a rather "unfair" aspect to the after life as described by BM. I don;t think it's easy, perhaps not even possible, to choose what to believe. One of the dumbest things about mainstream Christianity IMO is the idea you are rewarded first and foremost for having the right "beliefs". What if someone is kind and good but just not very convinced about spiritual claims? I don;t see why they deserve less than some selfish, unpleasant person who nonetheless has a strong belief in an after life. An open-minded skeptic on arriving in an afterlife would say "Cool, there was one after all, so i was wrong. That's nice."

Hi orlando123  This medium told me that you can choose your own way to go to the spirit world when you die,you can fly there,you can go there on a train,you can sail there on a ship or walk across a bridge or you can go through the tunnel to the light,he said its up to all of us how we travel to the spirit world.

A lot of mediums have told me that when you go to spirit ,you are the same person,you dont change just like that,you go through with your same personality,they even swear in the spirit world because the medium said to someone in the audience,that he could not repeat what her father was saying to him because he was using a lot of swear words.

Love and God bless       Love juditha

Recoverer, I am still not convinced we can "choose what we believe", and it seems self-evident to me that there are some good and intelligent people who are at least agnostic about whether an afterlife exists. But thanks anyway

Juditha, thank you. I guess it can be unhelpful to question and question endlessly as some philosophical points are always going to be hard to answer completely. But as you say, accounts from mediums certainly suggest a person basically keeps their personality from the previous life at least for the time being. Good job too from the point of view of those who would like to contact them, or be reunited with them! Might be hard, say, if you were looking forward to some contact again with an American uncle, and he had reverted to the personality he had in a happy life as a Chinese woman in the 17th Century or something

It's not that we choose what to believe, but rather that we believe according to our choices, and our choices arise from prior choices and experiences etc. All of this adds up to the active interface that we present to the world, which is "attitude" (dynamic posture). By this is meant the tendency to make one set of choices as opposed to another, just as a person who leans over in an unsteady attitude (posture) tends to fall in certain directions rather than others.

The "stuff" of which the "self" is composed is entropy, pure information, existing not necessarily in the world as energy, but in potential state space as the potentiality to enter into relationships and thus expand its nature. (Seems like the soul is a thermodynamic system in imaginary space.)

The "self" is is a dynamic, always seeking equilibrium - by eating, metabolizing, breathing, choosing, acting - and thus is reducible to attitude, in the dynamic sense, plus whatever vehicle it happens to be manifested in. In spirit, this is by the support and definition of the spiritual context.  Your venerable Chinese ancestor had the same general attitude as does her presently reborn embodiment as your American uncle, with the exception of growth, which tempers all the rough edges through experience.  

There is no "storage area" for used personalities to which one might revert. What you are right now is what you are. You can't go back because there is no way to reverse time by more than a few microseconds. (That's because history is pretty well crystallized, and cannot be altered, so time reversal looks like a problem in changing the entire universe to energy and reshaping it.) Instead, history defines us and the space in which we operate, and here we are!  :P

Umpteen rebirths later, the core of the personality will be about the same, although the rest will have become more enlightened, more skilled, more competent and so on. Of course, for some who seem to have been born under a malefic star, the core can be altered as well, all the way down to the first instant that the Creator utters it,  "Thou art" .

dave

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All this sounds surprisingly Earth-like. despite being "without limits"this place still requires you to go to a kind of library and look things up to know new facts etc? I don;t even have to do that in the physical world, I can Google for facts!

it is earth-like, but perhaps the afterlife takes on a form that we can understand... in other words maybe there is no "library" per se, but "library" is a concept that we can understand so that appears before us.


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How far back to past lives go anyway? A person might have had millions of past lives perhaps? Surely you wouldn;t remember tham all?

i think "hundreds" seems to be the norm.  why couldn't you remember them all?  it's not as if you'd have a limited human brain that forgets things.  


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Much of the problems I face in life would be resolved if I suddenly got a lot of money.

me too, but life is all about problems.  how much do people evolve and learn from things always going their way?  paris hilton has all the money she wants - how spiritually evolved do you think she is??  compare her to someone like ghandi and nelson mandela, people who have sacrificed and suffered for their strong beliefs.  we view things from a limited, SELFISH human viewpoint.  from the moment we're born, we only have ourselves in mind.  but your soul doesn't care about money.  it cares about spiritual progress (supposedly).  sadly, reincarnation kind of only leaves yourself to blame.  tons of people are in bad situations, but the soul wants to know what it can accomplish and learn by overcoming them.  our souls are full of love.. they are the exact opposite of our selfish, greedy human bodies, so why would they have the same goals??  life is a battle against your body in a way.  

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"it is earth-like, but perhaps the afterlife takes on a form that we can understand... in other words maybe there is no "library" per se, but "library" is a concept that we can understand so that appears before us."

That's what I think too. Bruce talks of "imagination as a means of perception". Regarding the centers of Focus27, it might be that there aren't those facilities exactly as explorerers describe them, but structures which provide the services. The specific forms in which these structures appear to each of us are our way to perceive them. To have a specific form in our mind makes it easier to go somewhere and interact. So, orlando123, if you're not much into classic libraries, to imagine a computer terminal will do the same job.

Another possibility is, Focus27 is thought to be built of humans, or at least entities very close to human experiences and physical earth, so that the transition from the physical to entirely non-human, non-physical worlds is softer.
It may be that TMI through it's suggestions of centers in their HemiSync tapes, together with those who follow these guidelines, are actually creating the overlaying design of these centers, so that the following explorers have an easier job to receive the services available on F 27.

My impressions of F27 indicate that there are regions as well which are quite not so human-shaped.

Spooky

I guess it's hard to step away from the objective/subjective or observer/fixed reality way of thinking that science and popular thought drums into us.

For example I struggled for a long time with the fact that many especially higher level spiritual practices entail visualisation - it's hard not to dismiss what you feel may be a figment of your imagination. Especially when some of what comes up on the radar is just that.

But the idea that mind creates is the key - what we perceive can be whatever we want it to be. This too can eventually it seems be dispensed with to reach primordial or absolute reality, but it seems that what's perceived at that level is pretty much beyond description....

Spooky-
Good idea. I think next time I have a patient with an undefined problem I might ask for them to go into the Cosmic Computer Cafe and Google up their own solution.  ;D

Y'know - it might just work out!
dave