Why the date of 2012 that everone mentions here. Is it that Aztec calendar thing? Is is a start of the changes excepted by many as soon to be happening, or the end of the world as others have said. Any thoughts?

Calendars don't create events. Events create calendars.

There is an asteroid due to pass close to the Earth in 2013, but so far,
calculations say it will not hit, it will miss.

Joe --- see attached article re: Myan calendar for 2012

     
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html

see attached article of Egyptian Calendar 2012

http://www.hermes3.net/2012.htm

On this article, go to the NASA article about the solar flairs and 2007 to 2012

http://www.truthaboutax.com/site/1515517/page/655391

Hi Identicat-
The Mayan thing is truly interesting. I had been to Palenque and poked about, but was unaware of the operation of the Mayan calendar.

Theories about pole shift abound - mine is that the ocean currents create a moving conductor in an electrostatic field due to solar wind, hence a magnetic field sensitive to the positions of ice etc, and climate variations. This seems a bit simpler than moving continents and the planet's core around. The core, while potentially magnetic, is far hotter than the Curie temperature at which the magnetic effects vanish. Thus, it may conduct, but is an unlikely source of magnetic field. However, since most of us experience magnets made of cool, rigid iron, we tend to think of the Earths core that way. It isn't.

I read Cayce's predictions, and since he was generally right about things, I kinda hoped that I'd be here to watch everything turn over from global warming. But with the threat of the Apophis asteroid, maybe returning to hit us, in whole or part, it looks like the whole universe is tuning up for a major shake and bake.

Hilarion on 2012 :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/SpringEquinox06.htm#2012

I still like to think it is about a shift in consciousness, an evolutionary progression in our DNA. I'm reading a book by Daniel Pinchbek called '2012' which focuses on shamanism, the Mayan Calendar and human consciousness.

"There are many hints, both in quantum theory and elsewhere, that humanity is precariously balanced between greater self-potential and environmental disaster."

I think that our collective choices affect the path to where we are headed - enlightenment or disaster.

Hi Cat, I looked at the sites you provided and the first two were very good. As for the third....He seems like a bit of a fear monger. Thanks for the info. We will just have to wait and see in 2012. (PS Good luck at the new job)
Thank you Kyo also for the info.

I purposely buy some books by just standing in from of the wacky section in bookshops and buying what my eye is drawn to  - before I can make any conscious sense of the title.

Somehow I've ended up with a series of books on 2012, including just this week Daniel Pinchbeck's 2012 as mentioned above. I've no personal sense that there's a disaster coming, but that wouldn't mean much. I like the open way he discusses his own research and experience without preaching.

I have a definite sense that there's some sort of opening taking place. Even Pinchbeck's own story describes perhaps both a personal path, and perhaps also his witnessing the beginnings of a broader opening.

His story resonates so much with my own (much more personal one) in many ways. I'm not a writer, have not experimented with interesting substances to any degree, but his path from yearning but no path to pretty much a certainty that reality is so much greater than is regarded as normal and that something is going down is so familiar. As is the list of writers he tends to draw on.

He quotes Robert Anton Wilson's 'the doors of Chapel Perilous swinging open'. (the 'oh sh1t feeling that hovers in the background when you start to realise that actually almost nothing is the way you were brought up and conditioned to think it is) That's pretty much the way it feels to me right now, whether it's the result of personal path or something more general.....

PS you have a PM Cat.

Hi everyone  The asteroid which is on its way is not great news as my little grandchildren will not be that old when it either hits or misses us,i hope it does miss for there sake,they need to live there life to the full.

I did not realise how much the glaciers are gaining across land and also just how much the icecaps are melting,the way things are going my little grandchildren,will be shown quite a different map of the world at school.

I now understand more now what the year 2012 actually means,the changes which may occur,only everyone thought that there was something going to happen on the milleniam but it did'nt,so theres always the possibility that 2012 will be the same.

Factorys and nuclear plants and cars,planes are all contributing to global warming,but there must be something to help change this,only that is not going to be easy,i think the best way to do it is bring the horse and carriages back,when i was a little girl Winter was winter,Summer was summer,Autumn was autumn and Spring was spring,but now all there is ,is a mixture of all four seasons into one all through the year,this planet is in a right mess and its all manmade.

I grew up in the 1960's and the world was fresher,more countryside,you could leave your back door open when you went out,everyone helped each other and most of all the air was cleaner and the wheather was what it was supposed to be,perhaps the year 2012 is meant to sort it all out.

The planet is a beautiful place in some respects and not in others but its the only one we got,so we all got to do our bit towards preventing global warming,bring back the horses and the bicycles,that would be a good start,who knows it could work,just a suggestion.

Love and God bless   Love juditha

Quote Juditha: "Winter was winter,Summer was summer,Autumn was autumn and Spring was spring,but now all there is ,is a mixture of all four seasons into one all through the year"
 Same here in Germany.
Quote Juditha: "bring back the horses and the bicycles"
Instead, what they do here in Germany is not thinking about this, but build more streets. I guess when there's no green anymore to build streets, then they would build second store streets. Maybe this behaviour might change 2012, when they come to the insight that we must live somewhere when we're not sitting in a car.

Spooky

spooky said  :) we must live somewhere when we're not sitting in a car.
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u must come to california and tell the people this truth!  :)

hawkeye wrote on Jul 30^th, 2007 at 4:18pm:

Why the date of 2012 that everone mentions here. Is it that Aztec calendar thing? Is is a start of the changes excepted by many as soon to be happening, or the end of the world as others have said. Any thoughts?

Hi Hawkeye,

I don't claim to have insight into this particular date, but it seems to me that it is almost a catalyst just because of the intrigue it is generating.

We are accelerating in a process of change, and I think these changes are going to include physical and mental breakthroughs for us as humans.

It really seems to me that we are being assisted in this from the other side.

A friend of mine whom I spontaneously called a few months ago, a very old friend from 20-25 years ago, has just started meditating with a group. I attended once with her a couple of months ago.

She now tells me that they are rapidly moving into collaborative work with a clairvoyant. This clairvoyant is moving souls with them---from her descriptions these sound like earthbound souls.

They are taking many of them directly from the battlefields in the Middle East. They are "retrieving" a lot of angry souls. They don't appear to use Bruce's language, although she called them "stuck" souls, and, from her description they are moving folks who are right in the room with them. I say this to distinguish their activities from the type of retrieval work that Bruce teaches. It just seems to be a variation, in my mind. At least, this is what I am hearing. Of course I am going to go see what is happening!

She said they are retrieving "groups" of souls together. This was when I just about flipped out. They are getting "groups" and not just individuals. This is accelerating!

Apparently, they are beginning to train others to do this. The leaders have been told that more is coming, that there will soon be many people doing this job, and that there are higher levels coming in soon for them.

I was shocked when she told me this. I had gone to one meditation session and it seemed like a very focused group, with different people learning different levels of breathing and visualization. The basic practice was a good one, and powerful.

It was at a well-to-do ex-banker's home, and his own artwork was everywhere. He had been called to start a meditation group....by Jesus.

That's how the story goes. Why should I question it?

Well, that's all I know. I just know that signs will be all around you, and will you notice them? Obviously, you will. You will be drawn into it, and you won't be able to stop this train from coming!

It's all good.
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Song lyrics all sound different to me these days than they used to. Here are a few I've been enjoying lately:

Madonna lyrics from Ray of Light

NOTHING REALLY MATTERS

When I was very young
Nothing really mattered to me
But making myself happy
I was the only one

Now that I am grown
Everything's changed
I'll never be the same
Because of you

Chorus:

Nothing really matters
Love is all we need
Everything I give you
All comes back to me

Looking at my life
It's very clear to me
I lived so selfishly
I was the only one

I realize
That nobody wins
Something is ending
And something begins

(chorus, repeat)

Nothing takes the past away
Like the future
Nothing makes the darkness go
Like the light

You're shelter from the storm
Give me comfort in your arms

RAY OF LIGHT

Zephyr in the sky at night I wonder
Do my tears of mourning sink beneath the sun
She's got herself a universe gone quickly
For the call of thunder threatens everyone

Chorus:

And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel

Faster than the speeding light she's flying
Trying to remember where it all began
She's got herself a little piece of heaven
Waiting for the time when Earth shall be as one

(chorus)

Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light

(verse)

And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light
Then gone for
Someone else shall be there
Through the endless years

She's got herself a universe
She's got herself a universe
She's got herself a universe

And I feel
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel

Quicker than a ray of light she's flying
Quicker than a ray of light I'm flying
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In Nothing Really Matters she says "nothing takes the past away like the future" and it makes me wonder? Is this how we will all collectively change our karma...

by retrieving own Selves as a species? Will the hand that takes me to heaven be my own?


love, blink :)

wow Blink, I look for signs like this too, of groups starting up. yes, I'd say its the same thing retrievers do; retrieving is no big mystery to me, its simply a heart path and can occur on the physically incarnate as well as nonphsical beings.
when love speaks, you follow. or they follow, or love is answered.

these others are angry. they lost their lives. anyone would be angry, retrieving them to love is the only thing to do during a shift we are undergoing.
so easy to get caught up in the hype though. I'm glad you posted this. we can be hopeful then that surely the universe is unfolding as it should.

if an ex banker can be called upon for service, then any one of us could be called upon to do our part.  :) an acceleration. when the world gets clear of all the negs in the grid belt moved on, no longer suffering in anger and hurt, who effect those of us here in flesh, we can prepare the way for the children to heal the earth who are waiting for this clearing.
I'm in charge of daycare on the other side I think  :) the kids are amazing!!!

Hi Blink  This song by Dire Straits called Brothers in arms. It has a lot of meaning in the words ,talks of love for our fellow man and destruction of life as well.Heres a video of the song brothers in arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Some day youll return to
Your valleys and your farms
And youll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms

Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
Ive watched all your suffering
As the battles raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms

Theres so many different worlds
So many differents suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones

Now the suns gone to hell
And the moons riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But its written in the starlight
And every line on your palm
Were fools to make war
On our brothers in arms

Love and God bless      Love juditha

Through history various seers and prophets have claimed there will be some calamity or other major event (end of the world or Jesus coming back or for New Agers, the start of a new era of peace and elightenment, or perhaps open contact with aliens) on a certain date, but so far lots have come and gone with nothing special happenning. I don't see why this 2012 date should be any different

I don't either Orlando. but gives us something to look forward to when we get bored. :)

that's true  :)

Must say I'm inclined towards the view that something is in the works by way of a change in consciousness.

More definitely that current Western economic, financial, agricultural, industrial, international, military and other models are environmentally, ecologically and socially unresourcable and unsustainable, and a reflection of an unsustainable consciousness.

That the pace of change is rapidly increasing, that the system rather like an ever more highly tuned engine is becoming ever more finely balanced between material so called 'performance' and blowing up.

That the only way out involves a rapid shift in consciousness - because without it the solutions won't even make it on to the agenda. Because at the selfish short term level they entail apparently settling for less.

The possibilities range from cataclysm to a much softer landing. I'd like to think that the current change in human consciousness will rapidly widen and accelerate to the point where the latter becomes possible....

orlando123 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2007 at 4:45am:

Through history various seers and prophets have claimed there will be some calamity or other major event (end of the world or Jesus coming back or for New Agers, the start of a new era of peace and elightenment, or perhaps open contact with aliens) on a certain date, but so far lots have come and gone with nothing special happenning. I don't see why this 2012 date should be any different

I'm currently reading a book called '2012' by Daniel Pinchbek. The 2012 date is specifically referring to the winter/summer solistice (depending which hemisphere you live in) the end point of the Mayan Calendar, when the earth will be in alignment with the centre of the milky way galaxy. The electro magnetic fields affect our consciousness and passing through that stage we are shifting into a fifth dimensional state of consciousness. Basically from what I've read and heard on the subject, the barriers to our true nature are gradually being removed and our true potential can be realised. The catch might be and this I believe is the reason for all the doomsday and fear based side of things, that the shift in the galactic alignment will cause natural disasters, like the Asian Tsunami of 2004.

You can choose a side though. How do you want the consciousness of the planet to be, fear or love/free choice?

Anyway that's essentially the 2012 message that I uphold. Skeptics are welcome to query and I will happily debate, as I see the reasoning behind these predictions as holding alot more water than many of the doomsday prophecies and end of the world propaganda. But just say you think you can debunk all this and think its a load of bull, aren't you missing the point? The point never really was about a set of astrological events coming together to shift the consciousness of humanity, ultimately free choice will determine any real shift in consciousness. I may be preaching a bit so sorry about that but I say choose to become part of a shift and embrace love, oneness and respect the interconnectivity don't follow the path of war and destruction.

I do not believe in ends I believe in transitions

SHIFT HAPPENS

Never say die

Similar to what I was saying except I focused on the emotional side of things. The status quo is not sustainable. Awareness about global warming is shifting the consciousness, globalisation despite its many pros and cons it is also part of this shift as societies become more interconnected and systems of communication allow for greater sharing of information and understanding. I have even read that the internet is a metaphor for this shifting process. The internet connects the world. Only decades ago I an Australian would never have had the opportunity to communicate with most of you due to limitations in time and space. Technology breaks down barriers but is it really the way towards truly global consciousness?

I think that if a society wants to go on repeating same mistakes over and over again to the point where it traps itself into a corner and is self destructive then it most certainly can. While I am extremely interested in the 2012 question, I am not expecting it will be as simple as 'oh its now Dec 21st 2012, we wake up in a whole new way of thinking. I hate to be a fear monger but I don't exactly disagree with the saying 'it gets worse before it gets better'. Intriguing times ahead.

basically in agreement with NSD. from a psychological perspective just want to add we will always have earthquakes, storms, world changes in the Earth, these are often events the collective has brought forth and good exit points for those leaving or transitioning.

as far as the individual goes, the collective is made up of individuals. it will be whether we react or in how we respond to these changes that makes the difference.  we should be able to not just react like in fear, somebody always needs to hold the fort down. somebody always needs to keep the home fires burning. there are many working quietly behind the lines in this way, but each individual has to come to their choices where to stand.
love, alysia

All of the participants in this thread have made excellent points,personal observations and expressed their beliefs most eloquently. I do believe there will be many changes from now untill 2012. Many of them will be of the most horrible kind. War, death, starvation, pestilence, to name a few. But there will also come with those things love, understanding, peace, affluence and abundance. The real changes will be which peoples will be the haves and the have nots. The cold war is starting up again with the USSR again fling their nuclear bombs overhead again. ( in the news just this week) Starvation is showing up more than ever world wide. As is disease and other "stuff". Global warming is on the minds of the masses along with the paranoia that comes with the changes it is doing to this planet. ( all of the planets are warming, not just earth so its not just humans doing the damage, like some would like you to believe).But more than any of that we have this world wide raise in spiritual awareness. As we are getting older( as a whole) we are becoming more excepting (except perhaps Don, dig ,dig, dig), loving, and more willing to do what it takes to heal the planet.(in the west that is) I think the changes comming are going to be great ones. I personally can't wait. In fact these changes almost sound like no changes. Its a great time to be apart of all these things and the people here are so much more attuned to whats going on. I am so happy to have met you all and to have your love a part of my present experience.
My love to All of You,

Joe  

I echoe Joe's sentiments here and thoughts. I like this board because I grow off of the ideas expressed, they lead me into my own world of personal reality creation.

one thing I'd like to share I learned from Alan Watts a philosopher. he said an apple tree apples, the earth peoples.

I'm not an environmentalist, more of a recycler spirit who goes around tidying up, but I'm sure there are many forces at work in our world which can destruct in order to construct to new levels, so it's all like a circle of events which is on a time table since time began.
The earth crystal in the center is an energy resonator factor and the planets are involved in this shift in consciousness as this crystal realigns with certain planets, influencing our rotations and their rotations which has to do with consciousness expanding also, as planets are the bodies of beings, I know its hard to understand this, that a planet is a being of intelligence manifested as a planet, but at the same time you could say all of us are the Earth consciousness, a being in itself.
and we are as a whole becoming more conscious of our habitat and there is rude awakenings to deal with such as 9/11. most rude. but I went obe and listened to a lecturer who made me to understand the catalyst that 9/11 was for spiritual growth and change.
it wasn't that 9/11 was written in stone to occur, its just that year after year it was building towards manifestation without enough prevention employed and thats why it became shocking and rude.

you guys should have seen the millions of "us" were listening to this fellow talk, he was sincere, he was a great being. sorry I don't have a name for him, I was just part of the audience trying to get my heart mended, and he sent healing rays to the crowd.
I was made to understand we are in the midst of big changes and a lot of these people on this board and other places all over the world as groups are to help others to make it easier to shift into a new consciousness.
it has a lot to do with fellowship instead of warring practices, and we're slowly getting there.

its important where one places one's focus, as we can manifest war just as easily as we can manifest peace, as a collective.

love, alysia