I’ve had the chance to read more than 150 books about the non-physical “realm”, some of those were written by Brazilian out-of-body travelers and some other were written through mediums by spirits. It puzzles me that all those books described the spiritual realm and its inhabitants routine in a very normal shape. They go to schools, they visit the physical to learn about certain situations, they travel to other places at the astral in order to get in touch with other spirits from different cultures. There are the ones who need healing and some others are preparing their next incarnation being mentored by their guides. Otherwise  when I read a book written by, for instance, a North American writer (Moen, Monroe, Leland) usually their descriptions about what they’ve found sounds so complicated, light beans giving enigmatic answers to ordinary questions, places without a ground, 3D blackness. I was wondering if any one here can explain why Monroe’s and others books are so different from the Brazilian ones I had the chance do read. What could be the main reason for that?

Hi Kardec-
There's a very true saying, that "If your only tool is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail." Brazil has active cultural roots that reach back to basic belief systems and awareness. While us who live in "advanced technologies" prohibit people from taking anything that alters the mind, and then actively deny any insights that people have, unless we can explain them in material terms, Brazil is still open to spiritual discovery. (As an extreme example, if I were to take ayahuasca and then discover anything, no matter how useful, it would not be allowed, and I'd be termed insane. My culture is scared spitless that we might actually be forced to accept moral responsibility - a threat much less dangerous than the idea of a spiritual reality transcendental of our everyday material world.)  Thus, your neighbors view spiritual concepts in relatively uncomplicated terms, while we tend to see all manner of technology in the spirit world because we live with technology all day long.

By the way, Kardec - as I recall, you were studying some spiritual practices - I was wondering how that was doing? Are you now an apprentice shaman?

dave

That's a pretty logical explaination, dave, cheers.

Greetings Kardec,

That's a hard question because most of us are just where we are and don't have the overview
to speak of another culture, which must surely affect the spirit(uality) of its people.
OutofBodyDude is from New Jersey USA but lives in Brazil now, I think.  He might have a good
take on your question.

Do you have any theories on it? :)

Bets

perhaps due to what the person's mind can understand?  

for example, a child and an adult can be living and looking at the very same world, but they will see things very differently because their perception is different

Kardec

I think there is less difference between US and Brazilian OBErs than you may think.  I have not read any Brazilian authors... I am still learning the Portuguese language... but from what you wrote I have an impression about what they experience.  I have read many American authors, my favorites being Monroe, Moen, and Bruce.  I am positive that all three of these popular American authors have experienced and wrote about the same things that you describe the Brazilian authors to have experienced.  They have visited schools where spirits go to learn, they see spirits getting treated in hospital type places, and they do other things to learn and advance spiritually, just like your Brazilian authors.

It seems that maybe the American authors tend to go above and beyond what the Brazilian authors look for and experience.  Perhaps the Brazilian authors are simply satisfied with observing the spirit world and writing about what they see.  The American authors that I know of are not satisfied with simple observation and slight interaction.  The authors that I know of want answers to important questions, why we are here, where we came from, these American OBErs seek for the answers to these difficult questions, which is why their experiences may be so complicated at times.  I am not saying that Brazilian OBErs are simple, that is just the impression I get from your description.  Places without ground and 3D blackness are very, very common in OBEs.  I think that whether you are Brazilian, American, or Chineese, you will experience these things at some point.  I have been to places that I cannot even describe to you.  I dont think the complications we encounter in waking consciousness when trying to describe our experiences come from a difference in culture.  But it seems that perhaps our goals or desires when we are out of body may differ.

One factor might be that Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen have access to a much bigger audience. This increases the likelyhood that there will be enough people who are interested in what they have to share. Not everybody is meant to be a retriever, or would find the disc/I-there viewpoint appealing.

My feeling is that when the World of spirit shares information with people in the physical, they take the audience factor into consideration.

I agree with that last remark, Don.  I sometimes tell people to give me information while in a regression, and it is expressed in a manner that more or less "fits" my immediate state of mind.  I notice that this seemed to be true for my advanced students when they were doing deep regressions and getting information that seemed better suited to their individual atitudes.

It's all one thing!  ;-)

There's possibly the chicken and egg problem too - is what's out there something that's repeatedly and independently verifiable, or do our minds bring it into reality in accordance with our expectation?

Working with Tarot cards on your own is very similar. What comes through normally reflects your state of mind or prevailing issue....