Hey Albert; you guidance was absolutely correct. good for you, give your guides some kudos they just blew my cover. :-/

I was laying there this morn just waking up..this is the place my head starts receiving impressions left and right, I can get valid messages in the morn.
so I was thinking about the Tennessee waltz thing. scratching my head thinking you were nuts.. :-* (no offense intended) first I remembered a retrieval I did, a lady on a pedestal, a southern belle who rescued the downtrodden. one of my patterns. then I idly thought she may have lived/living in Tennessee. then I meandered over to memories of doing a fine waltz and dancing.
all that didn't cause a message. all that life amounted to really was that I shouldn't meddle with the whole town as struggling with poverty and all that is part of the greater plan of the divine source. you can care, but burn yourself out by caring too much in other words and the ego gets to thinking how wonderful you are, when you're just like them. poor in other ways.

heres what the Tennesse Waltz means to me aside from disc reflections:
in the song theres the issue of changing partners and losing love, so it seems. all of humanity during this age seems to be changing partners too much where I believe, I always carried the ideal of once you marry, you uphold your vows to cherish that person and stay there and work it out. have faith, and all that. that was not my experience in this life. that was what I wanted in this life. instead I was a Tennessee Waltz pattern. during my life trek I looked to develop love and trust within relationship and often would forget to cherish myself, so I needed much work to understand that what I gave out, was what I would receive and I was introverted, so I didnt' communicate ouch when it hurt. I assumed it was all my fault the changing of partners.

what I was observing on another level was a hormone driven planet at first, where people differentiated the act of sex from the act of making love. this never set well with me although nowdays thats an accepted tenet. even on TV, its ok to go get your breasts enlarged to football size just to attain a lover. its ok to advertise you might need viagra in order to get some love.
theres something wrong with this scene where the act of sex is applauded while no mention of love, nor committment is taken into consideration.
so I see how I never fit in, I never got with the hippy program either of free love. I changed partners until I got tired of that and turned celibate, seeking the perfect love of Christ as the way, remaining single to look after the affairs of god, rather than the affairs of the passing lover I might be involved with. I was the goodbye girl, I was Penelope whose husband was away at war. Penelope thought she was too ugly for love anyway. she lied to herself for the experience of being here. she took what was handed to her.

whew. its human drama at its best I suppose, and this I'm giving you is only the shortened commercial! haha!  well, on a positive note which I always end up on these days, love lives here now. it makes your feet steady, your eyes wide open, your heart light, and everything smells good and the sky is always blue, even death looks like the most incredible journey to walk into with eyes open and grateful.

so yea, you got it right. You just got my respect with that one dearlight!

tell your guides to leave me alone and not blow my cover..just kidding!
why did they say I was important to you Albert? I do not feel important to anyone because I think this planet is only just beginning to learn of what PUL is with this shift in consciousness coming in..but we are on the threshold and that is what gives me hope.

I wish each of you love of the most sublime..the kind that passes understanding, the perfect love of Christ. the life abundant.

Alysia:

I agree with what you're saying about sex. Society has sex on the mind too much. Look how much sexually attractive woman are used in advertising.  You can't even look at a yoga magazine without seeing pictures of a bunch of well sculptured women with hardly any clothing on except for maybe some tight fitting liatards.

I don't believe a person will be able ascend if they give sex too much importance. Too much superficiality involved. How can one love another completeley, if one is concerned about how physically attractive another is? I don't believe we can fully experience the beauty of another, if we base it on how his or her body looks. What's a body got to do with who a spirit is?

I read something in Robert Monroe's second book recently.  The chapter where the Inspec corrects BB's interpretation of Loosh.  Robert saw white light energy come out of himself when he shared love with his parents as a child, when he shared love with his pet dog, but none at all when he had a relationship with his first girlfriend. This surprised Robert.

The inspec told him that wasn't love, that was the survival instinct. I broke out laughing.

Why did my guidance say you're important to me? I don't know. Perhaps because we don't see eye to eye on ACIM.  That's the main thing we've disagreed about.  I don't believe they were suggesting that our entire universe is based on how we relate with each other.  There are many issues we deal with in life.

Hope I'm not offending anybody, but here goes!

It's complicated, this sex stuff. I don't know what 'respectable' spiritual traditions say on it, but it's hard to make sense of.

Opening or increasing awareness in my experience raises sexual energies which results in an intensified urge for release.

Tantric Buddhism uses sex to intensify (or to release excess) energy of this sort.

Yet most traditions and experience too say that the sex act dissipates this energy which is also involved in accessing higher realities.

Meaning that as we progress spiritually we seem to raise energies which manifest as strengthened  sexual urges.

Meaning we need ever more of the equanimity and spaciousness that meditation generates to not get sucked into instinctive responses.

;) I'm not sure where it all ends up, what the realised state amounts to.

I think we get very mixed up about it. Conservative morality maybe gets in the way, and denial or repression cannot be healthy. There's got to be a dynamic or a context where there's room for healthy sex without it's getting mixed up in societal male/female power games the way it does.

Yet indulgence particularly in affairs and the like often releases energies that are beyond the ability of those involved to control and quite apart from its implications for your spiritual life can be dangerous - we've just had a big murder trial here where the guy killed his wife to run off with another lady he was having an affair with.

And that's before you mention the disease and other risks of promiscuous behaviour. Not to mention the pain and grief that can be caused for a partner who feels betrayed, and maybe for the broader family too.

Yet maybe a partner with a more evolved view will not suffer any pain or damage at all, because most of the pain follows from a sense of loss which is basically a selfish motive anyway. Monogamy is not necessarily the natural human state.

I don't see it particularly as a moral issue, more a practical one. Such a difficult minefield to navigate through - needing fine finesse and judgement to ensure that harm is not done, but in circumstances where intense and instinctive urges make this difficult in the extreme.

It may be that what's the right solution for one person or relationship is not the solution for another.

::)No wonder society settled on monogamy as the best of a bad lot....

Thoughts anybody? I wonder what is the experience of sex for the realised person?

Hi Sex is highly over rated,i would rather have a curry and rice these days.

Love and God bless     Love juditha

Vajra:

Here's another way to approach it. Let's say a guy is really attached to the game of football.  He believes he just can't do without it. Yet he wants to find inner happiness.  He wants the amount of happiness he feels to be non dependent on outward things. He also doesn't want his identity, in a spiritual sense, to be defined by anything.

If he wants to obtain his spiritual goals he needs to find out that he can't be attached to football, because such an attachments limits his mind and awareness and contradicts his spiritual goals.

The same thing applies to sexual attachment. If a man (for example) insists on seeing women as lustful objects of fancy, this insistence will prevent him from clearly seeing the spirit being that occupies the woman's body.

Sex isn't a big deal to me, yet I can see that it causes some of my energy to be trapped in my lower chakras.

It isn't a moral issue, such as "sex is evil." However, lust motivates people quite differently than love motivates people.

I'm not suggesting that people get into suppression.  One should be certain before becoming celibate.

Regarding tantra teachers, I can't make a statement about each and every one. But I first became aware of the whole guru thing about  26 years ago, and found out that there are so many fakes. When it comes to kundalini gurus, which often relates to tantra, so many gurus have records of sexually molesting their followers.

;D There's times Judith at my age that I too would have a good curry in preference anytime!!!

Hi R. For sure the sort of attachment to sexual activity you describe (leading it's exerting a pull on us or attaining a hold on us - leading to grasping and wrongdoing if our control is weak) is in spiritual terms unhealthy. And as we agree so is potentially the suppression of urges over which we don't have full control.

It's fairly clear that conscious will must play a big part at first though - it's the only method available to the average human to control  urges that would otherwise cause problems. It's also likely that avoidance can be a good idea in that the sexual urge seems to strengthen with practice so to speak.

Realisation should eventually confer equanimity on matters sexual as in all else, but that's down the road.

But that leaves many of us (depending i suppose on how big an issue it is for us) somewhat between a rock and a hard spot.

Especially since as I was getting at above the experience of many is that progress on the spiritual path raises energies that initially increase these urges - admittedly usually accompanied by an enhanced ability to cope too. And that's before taking account of the tantric possibility that sexual energies can be diverted to spiritual progress.

I guess i was wondering if anybody had any insight into how this rather complex situation  develops further down the path.

It's this complexity I think that leads to so many of the 'indiscretions' by teachers that you mention.

For sure many seem to break trust, although i think that many of these problems result from a collision of mores, differing states of insight and enhanced urges - especially if jealousy and disillusionment subsequently set in....

the sexual energy is located in the 2nd spinning chakra; it is natural, but it is not uncontrollable. it can be sublimated with spiritual initiations. recently the energy did build up in that chakra and my guides showed me a hand placed over that chakra, and the immediate release of this desire formation was disappated, so I know it is controllable and not dangerous, a celibate path.
the priests who have broken the vow should have taken a wife. they know not the extent of their appetites. therefore they failed to know their self. we are entering the shift in consciousness, we will as humanity begin to share our wisdoms in a blanketed way.