Hi everyone Ive put these pictures on for hawkeye(joe) these are his pictures.



http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/dianamay_2007/IMG_3237.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/dianamay_2007/IMG_3236.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/dianamay_2007/IMG_3211.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/dianamay_2007/IMG_3210.jpg


Love and God bless  Love Juditha

Wow Juditha and Hawkey!

Those are great! Especially the outdoor one.

Can you all see a smiley face in the large orb above the house ?! Well, at least that shows it's a friendly orb.

(I think I see Irene (BlackPanther) and Tom and maybe Frank deMarco, so I assume this was the TMI Gateway that Irene went to.  That's fun to see folks with each other.  Did anyone else from here attend? Are you in the photos, Hawkeye?)

Bets

The thing that interests me the most is the orb that seems to hang out near the ceiling around the doorway. This suggests that a sequence of photos might have yielded a path along which it moved, and possibly more information.

The night shot is neat, but quantity doesn't make up for quality as in the first two.

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exceptionally bright orb makes me wonder, why some appear so solid, others are translucent, I do believe spirits are experimenting the same as us...thanks for the pics..alysia

I'm afraid to me it just looks like a dirty lens!

duly noted for the dirty lens, but its a mystery :)

I can see the smiling face in one of the orbs too, but to me it looks like coincidence. It's more likely dust and/or other particles. And if it isn't, why do spirits always choose to appear as small round objects? Shouldn't they have varying sizes, forms and colours?

Edit: Not to mention: How can a man-made camera capture them on file/film? After all, cameras are designed to capture what we see, and as such should not include objects that we can't see, except for the flash messing with dust particles, and zoomed in details.

Hi Heres some pictures of the spirit world. Love and God bless  Love Juditha

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/dianamay_2007/f_02_macy_spirit_world_hills.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/dianamay_2007/f_02_macy_spirit_world_ethereal1.jpg

can I call you Dutch? the person whose name starts with St...

well ok I'll take the liberty for now....notice in the upper corner left side the large translucent partial orb, its huge in comparison with what we usually see. you have to ask why. Most of my orbs are of varying sizes as are everyone's.
then I'm fascinated with the solid seeming density of the medium orb (first picture on this thread)

this is unusual. what? a more "solid" particle of dust? HAR!
dust particles should all be of the same density and solidity if u ask me.

it doesn't matter to me what is believed by anyone, I respect everyone's opinion the same, but we can't be conclusionary at this juncture of the game whats going on.

personally is all I can speak. I DID go out of my forehead as an ORB!

the reason why? because u can't keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paree! haha! just kidding.

now, more serious. ahem.   u think it's great to be an orb? NO WAY!

you have identity crash after being an orb, after all, not only are you attached to your body like it's you, but heres a pun for you :) your arms and legs are attached to your identity.

We are NOT the single composite of a body of flesh bone and sinew.

get used to it. :)

Hey everyone!!! See the lady with the sweater on??? The orb's not too far away from that lady.  That's me!!!!!   Thanks Hawkeye!!!  Love Carol Ann

Miki--- The cameras were all different.  I took some pictures, and about 6 other participants.  Not all 6 of us had dirty lenses.  Anyhow, can't convince a person if a person doesn't want convincing!   I have  more--- and posted one already in Juditha's blog on orbs.  At least they are interesting and non-harmful.  I have one of my grandson at a friends house, and he was using his own camera.  And, I didn't sprinkle any talc powder on the lens, either. They're friendly orbs---- friendly thought forms.

Juditha--- your spirit world pictures are breath taking!  How splendid that you shared.  


Yes, the pictures with the orbs are from the Monroe Institute form April/May Guidelines retreat.  And Joe is an exceptional being.  He has a wonderful glow about him and made everyone feel "so at home".  I was privileged to meet him.  

Alysia -- I'm on page 48 and intrigued with each sentence. It's a wonderful book.  (and the author is ever more wonderful.)

identcat wrote on Jul 9^th, 2007 at 4:49pm:

Miki--- The cameras were all different.  I took some pictures, and about 6 other participants.  Not all 6 of us had dirty lenses.  Anyhow, can't convince a person if a person doesn't want convincing!   I have  more--- and posted one already in Juditha's blog on orbs.  At least they are interesting and non-harmful.  I have one of my grandson at a friends house, and he was using his own camera.  And, I didn't sprinkle any talc powder on the lens, either. They're friendly orbs---- friendly thought forms.

Hi Carole, friendly thought forms, thats a good description. heres something to chew on a little concerning orbs: ACIM says we are all sons of god, sons to mean women too. then it goes on to say that we are thoughts of god.
so what I see this to mean we are composed (what are we?) of creative thought material ourselves, shot off from the original (father)
therefore we are thoughts of god.

but more than this. this just starting place of contemplation.
so we trudge through life as these orbs :) for awhile we are physical; in C1 we go along gathering experiences, from the experiences we build our characters into our "moreness" into our unlimited potential.

don't worry, you can keep your body form if it pleases you; no one will wrestle you for it. that creative stuff is VERY pliable stuff!

I think I want to change my hair color once I get over there. love, alysia
also, I want curly hair next time.

[quote author=identcat link=1183905995/0#11 date=1184014891]Juditha--- your spirit world pictures are breath taking!  How splendid that you shared.  
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agreed Juditha is a sweet soul for what she shares with us.
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Yes, the pictures with the orbs are from the Monroe Institute form April/May Guidelines retreat.  And Joe is an exceptional being.  He has a wonderful glow about him and made everyone feel "so at home".  I was privileged to meet him.
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TMI sounds fabulous, the like souls you can meet there. you know, in all my time here I've not heard one negative report from any participant in its programs. quite the opposite.
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Alysia -- I'm on page 48 and intrigued with each sentence. It's a wonderful book.  (and the author is ever more wonderful.)
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you're so sweet..u have no idea how much I lusted for such a comment!
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People, a motto of Bruce is go and find out for yourself. Take a bit talcum powder (works best) or dusty clothes (works not so good, but more variety of the orbs), spread the powder/dust near in front of the camera and take a shot with the camera's flashlight on. Looks exactly like all the other orb pictures, with varieties of size and brightness of the orbs etc. I could upload hundreds of those pictures, but you can do it for yourself.

All these picture are taken with camera flashlight on, aren't they?

The dust is not ON the lens but in the air in front of the camera.
You wouldn't notice the dust because the flashlight flashes not all the time.

If meaningful patterns would be visible, or an orb that stays at the same place (without being something on the lens) then it would be interesting, but I don't see something like that.

Spooky

still Spooky all your talcum is uniform sizes and looks like talcum.

and even if most orbs were dust particles in the air, this would not explain a great amount of photos I have seen of hands, faces, half forms, etc, clouds of etheric matter, it also does not explain how I perceived myself as an orb bouncing along the highway without my arms and legs. I'm sorry, it was real. not a dream.
also there are some orbs which zip by a person at great speeds, these can be photographed also on video and have been. many folks have reported orbs moving outside their window also. something that moves, not floating, but having intelligence connected to it is what u find on the videos.  research some of this documented orb business if any are interested...its truly amazing and photography of this sort is a valid science to pursue, and like I said, theres always a bit of fire where u find some smoke.
ooouuu...twilight zone..we are not alone and never were and our cameras are digital now, more sensitive...years ago, we didn't have digital cameras for the most part.

also why is there no dust on my lens, in my kitchen and in my 2 bedrooms, when I live in those other rooms too, there was only orbs in my living room where I requested help with my book writing.
all my picture taking was on the same time, there should have been orbs in the other rooms as well if they were just dust.

Spooky, that reminds me of that song dust in the wind..haha!
:)

LaffingRain wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 2:00am:

also why is there no dust on my lens, in my kitchen and in my 2 bedrooms, when I live in those other rooms too, there was only orbs in my living room where I requested help with my book writing. all my picture taking was on the same time, there should have been orbs in the other rooms as well if they were just dust. Spooky, that reminds me of that song dust in the wind..haha! :)

Well, it may be strange that there wasn't any orbs in the bedroom, as that tends to be the dustiest place, at least at my home. How was the lighting in the different rooms?

Dust in the Wind, that's Kansas, right? If so, that song is great.

And sorry if I'm skeptical, but I made a promise over one year ago that I would never delude myself again, and as such I am reluctant to believe in [insert most anything here].

Edit: Oh, and you can certainly not call me Dutch, haha. Call me Richard, that's my middle name. :)

glad to meet you Richard. I don't know who did the song, I just remember feeling like dust in the wind and how much that sucked but I thought there was some truth to it.
the light was an overhead light in the kitchen, and 100 watt and a 60 watt together possibly but dim enough that orbs could show up if they wanted. the bedroom was the same filtered sunlight as the living room, there was an orange room also, a perfect backdrop to orb activity to place itself on the wall if they wanted, no furniture in that room either. they didn't want.
it's interesting to see orbs in complete darkness also as we have seen here, I would think the lighting had something to do with it, but apparently not.

I found in Seattle, I had a few orbs attached to the house, this in full sunlight but basically indoor was where they stayed, bright sunlight does not seem conducive to see them well but if you look closely they are there.

I forgot some details to tell u guys...remember I would talk to guides when I was asking help to edit my book. editing was painful because you think always you have a masterpiece, but I would hear voices saying, no, its not good enough yet, you have to cut 150 pages,  blah, blah, yada yada..I told the spirits at one time to GET OFF MY BUTT!

hahaha! ;D  well, thats the rest of the story about the orb which landed on my butt when I told it to wait until I was in position and be over my head, and please to be large and unmistakable, so I could share the photo, etc. then they started to make me laugh, some of the things they said to me about the editing process...it wasn't a book I edited, it was my soul I edited. so my daughter snapped the photo of the orb on the butt then when I faced the wall, there was no orb in the wall shot I had asked for, then I knew, they were being funny again, always trying to get me to lighten up in this process of editing, not cry so much, etc.
I thought I was a good writer, and they essentially had to show me I was not that. so humor is very instructive and then they gave me the name laughing rain, which we had a big fight over that too. :)

its good not to be deluded, would just suggest that research and open minded approach is best in these studies, and a certain amount of trusting your heart, your intuition.
love,a lysia

Nope--- I didn't have my flash on when I was in or out as outside was too dark and the shot was too far away to have any benefit from the flash.  And, the inside pictures were without the flash because the room had windows on three sides and there was plenty of light.   And I didn't use baby powder, either!!!  ;D

Spooky:

I believe the below is a good idea. I've seen a lot of spirits, and there have been a limited number of times where they have appeared as orbs, and they didn't look like the orbs that appear in photographs.

There is also the issue of why would a photo have to be taken in order for orbs to be seen. The orbs I've seen were seen without photographs.  If a photo was taken, chances are they wouldn't show up on a photograph.


spooky2 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2007 at 11:18pm:

People, a motto of Bruce is go and find out for yourself. Take a bit talcum powder (works best) or dusty clothes (works not so good, but more variety of the orbs), spread the powder/dust near in front of the camera and take a shot with the camera's flashlight on. Looks exactly like all the other orb pictures, with varieties of size and brightness of the orbs etc. I could upload hundreds of those pictures, but you can do it for yourself. All these picture are taken with camera flashlight on, aren't they? The dust is not ON the lens but in the air in front of the camera. You wouldn't notice the dust because the flashlight flashes not all the time. If meaningful patterns would be visible, or an orb that stays at the same place (without being something on the lens) then it would be interesting, but I don't see something like that. Spooky

I believe that some photos may have changes that are unexplained from dust in the physical world, but many, many photos have dust, invisible to the naked eye, but quite visible to the discerning camera lens.  There are websites which reproduce these nicely.  

The question is, on any given photo, what is explained by a phenomenon in the physical world, and what is not?  One can ask this question about EVP, voice recordings of spirits impressed on a background of white noise.  I have heard impressive EVP recordings where no rational explanation can be made for the voices other than a communication by spirits.  

Ultimately, no one will "prove" the dust theory or the spirit theory.  It has been my belief that those who hunt for spirits as little physical circles of light in our world are missing the point.  The dimension of thought is not bound by or encased in a physical body anymore.  So why should we search for spiritual beings in the physical plane?  Not sure of the answer, other than validation.  But Bruce and others encourage us to search out spiritual thought beings in their own sphere.

Either way, they are impressive photos, and stimulate a lot of discussion and thought.

Matthew

hi Doc, I was thinking about you. to me when I think about a person on this board pops up in my mind, then I know we are all connected, somehow out there, or in here. lol. I have tracking device installed ;D

anyhoo, thanks for bringing us all together on a higher thought that we are basically wasting time to look for physical indication of spirits, NP's.
I believe the underlying question would be concerning newbies or lurkers who have never had a brush with the spirit world, therefore they may have no grounding paradigm whatsoever that we continue after death.

I remember being 18 and in the same quandary; I want everyone if possible and to gracefully come across this question to settle, but I know you are right, chasing orbs is not going to do the trick. :)

I would suggest and I repeat myself, the spirit world is trying to get through to any who opens the door, and who has the courage to open the door, the persistance, or even the desire to understand we are more than physical beings, and we are all greatly loved and applauded for even stepping into the earth plane. its not easy being us.... :)

thanks again, my goodness, I love the way you talk.. :)

Without camera flashlight identcat, I'm surprised indeed.

Only these two, then I shut up! I shook some dusty clothes. I see a smileyorb on the first pic, the low orb before the window (use the scroll bar).
(btw, I wasn't on drugs!)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/Ichhoechstselbst/DSCN4882smileyorb.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b366/Ichhoechstselbst/DSCN4886variousorbs.jpg


Spooky

OK,  :D

I'll have to accept that

 some dust motes have smiley faces
 Spooky wasn't on drugs, it was just late at night

but Spooky,

why is a giant red false fingernail stuck next to the door handle?!
Was a giant lady trying to get out so fast that she left it there?

Just wonderring,
Bets   :)

Lol Bets, it's a plastic hook glued onto the wall. This thing sticks there for ten years or more and I've never used it.

Spooky

identcat wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 5:59pm:

Nope--- I didn't have my flash on when I was in or out as outside was too dark and the shot was too far away to have any benefit from the flash.  And, the inside pictures were without the flash because the room had windows on three sides and there was plenty of light.   And I didn't use baby powder, either!!!  ;D

No flash and still orbs? That's more interesting. Are these pictures of yours anywhere on the forums, or can we see them?

Thanks Juditha for helping in posting the pics. As you can see in some of then, we were all sitting around and were not kicking up dust to make a "Orb" pic. These and many more were shot without using powders, extra lights , or any other means to deceive. In fact when Wouter Velthuis took these pictures, not me, there were a number of people who were watching including myself. The picture I really wanted to have showen you , I can't find at this moment. It was also one of Wouter's and is most amaxing. I will see if I can get ahold of him so everone can see it. Perhaps Carol Ann has it.(?) Doc had the most profound comment in my view regarding the stimulation of thoughts and ideas via discussion. (not verbatim) I am happy to have had the opportunity to shair with you. As for the comments saying that the orbs are not a reflection of the spiritual, well that nagativity can be seen in many ways. I see it more as an inability or just not ready to except this reality. One day, everone will know.  

Hawkeye:

Going by the photo, there were at least seven people in the room. Did any of these people report seeing an orb before a photo was taken? The orbs I've seen without the assistance of a photo, didn't look like they could be the result of a photographic effect. Certainly I was ready to accept their reality when I saw them. A person isn't being negative because he or she tries to be honest about something.  To suggest such a thing is to suggest that a person doesn't have the right to exercise his or her discrimination.



hawkeye wrote on Jul 13^th, 2007 at 12:44pm:

Thanks Juditha for helping in posting the pics. As you can see in some of then, we were all sitting around and were not kicking up dust to make a "Orb" pic. These and many more were shot without using powders, extra lights , or any other means to deceive. In fact when Wouter Velthuis took these pictures, not me, there were a number of people who were watching including myself. The picture I really wanted to have showen you , I can't find at this moment. It was also one of Wouter's and is most amaxing. I will see if I can get ahold of him so everone can see it. Perhaps Carol Ann has it.(?) Doc had the most profound comment in my view regarding the stimulation of thoughts and ideas via discussion. (not verbatim) I am happy to have had the opportunity to shair with you. As for the comments saying that the orbs are not a reflection of the spiritual, well that nagativity can be seen in many ways. I see it more as an inability or just not ready to except this reality. One day, everone will know.

Your so right Recoverer, my apologies if I offended any one. What I ment by negative was more in line with being more un-excepted reality. (is that a word?) Everone has the right to exercise the discrimination in all of their beliefs. I would never intend to force my realities upon any being. All I can do is put them out there and see what happins. I know there are a number of others who believe strongly that these orbs are something, rather than nothing. I personally have never made distinction of what I believe them to be. I really don't know. One thing I do know... curiosity drives me to ask.

Hawkeye:

Thank you for such a positive response.  I figure my scepticism turns people off at times.

Regardless of what the truth of the photo orb matter is (despite how it seems, I haven't come to a final conclusion), I believe that we all have spirit friends we are connected to. I look forward to someday finding out how many things I have been right about, and how many things I have been wrong about.



hawkeye wrote on Jul 13^th, 2007 at 1:17pm:

Your so right Recoverer, my apologies if I offended any one. What I ment by negative was more in line with being more un-excepted reality. (is that a word?) Everone has the right to exercise the discrimination in all of their beliefs. I would never intend to force my realities upon any being. All I can do is put them out there and see what happins. I know there are a number of others who believe strongly that these orbs are something, rather than nothing. I personally have never made distinction of what I believe them to be. I really don't know. One thing I do know... curiosity drives me to ask.

I think I know how you feel. I can't wait to go home and know further of the truth. Have my lessions been learned? Was my mission accomplished? Is love everthing? Just what the hell are those Orbs anyways?  LOL

Yep, those are the feelings. ;)


hawkeye wrote on Jul 13^th, 2007 at 1:43pm:

I think I know how you feel. I can't wait to go home and know further of the truth. Have my lessions been learned? Was my mission accomplished? Is love everthing? Just what the hell are those Orbs anyways?  LOL

Hi joe  Only to pleased to put the photos on for you,anytime you want any photos put on the afterlife just let me know and i will put them on.

Love and God bless  love juditha

Joe-- I just sent you a bunch of orb pictures.  

hawkeye wrote on Jul 13^th, 2007 at 1:17pm:

Your so right Recoverer, my apologies if I offended any one. What I ment by negative was more in line with being more un-excepted reality. (is that a word?) Everone has the right to exercise the discrimination in all of their beliefs. I would never intend to force my realities upon any being. All I can do is put them out there and see what happins. I know there are a number of others who believe strongly that these orbs are something, rather than nothing. I personally have never made distinction of what I believe them to be. I really don't know. One thing I do know... curiosity drives me to ask.

well said Hawkeye and Recoverer.. I like the way this whole thread has advanced, I guess the whole idea was just to point to that we are all openminded and seeking the answers, sort of like one's man's treasure is another man's junk idea..I would say where one's focus's one's mind in whatever direction as time goes on more information is provided to that seeking mind on that focus bringing it in..meaning we all walk thru time and seek and you will find.
the seeker, the finder, the observer. we are all of these.
when life gives u a lemon make lemonade, there you go.

as time goes on our technology perhaps will become even more sensitive, to pick up this other world, however, the important thing is that we retain a sensitivity to each other and this thread shows thats what we're doing.
love, alysia

Well said, Alysia...

However, I believe that there are some things that cannot be picked up by scientific instruments and never will. I have read that the "Infinite Mind," as some like to call it, communicates certain things THROUGH us, as humans, in ways that cannot be understood through scientific instruments. A living being is required for this kind of expression and understanding.

:)  love, blink

Greetings,

Last night I had a funny little dream, cartoon style, that keeps this orb discussion in my mind. I dreamt I woke up and went out in the living room and was surprised to see it was full of about 25--30 smiley-faced orbs!  They were all waiting for me, and just  grinned at me expectantly.
There was no sound and not much color--they looked just like in the photos except they were about 2--3 ft diameter. They slightly bumped into each other since they were packed in rather tightly.

Then I noticed some of them had a big '2' written on them in the same light lines that the others had smiley faces drawn. One had a mustache and short beard, all in drawn lines.
Then they flowed away, out of the room, and the color on them intensified into pink, fushia, violet, yellow. Their movememnt and color reminded me of the aurora borealis.

Does anyone know if the aurora borealis is made of droplets?
I read that it is some sort of plasma but I don't know what that is or if it looks like orbs when it is magnified. ---Do you think maybe there's a connection?

Bets

Blink, I also concur with what you said. As scientific instruments are of the physical world, and Orbs are of the ??? world, who is to say of what or of whom they come from or are.

Alysia:

Friday night (or should I say early Saturday morning), I was shown this internet page. Your photo was shown as it usually displays. Then the internet page was updated, and you had a big smile on your face. Perhaps the below post was being referred to.  :)



LaffingRain wrote on Jul 14^th, 2007 at 12:51pm:

hawkeye wrote on Jul 13th, 2007 at 1:17pm: Your so right Recoverer, my apologies if I offended any one. What I ment by negative was more in line with being more un-excepted reality. (is that a word?) Everone has the right to exercise the discrimination in all of their beliefs. I would never intend to force my realities upon any being. All I can do is put them out there and see what happins. I know there are a number of others who believe strongly that these orbs are something, rather than nothing. I personally have never made distinction of what I believe them to be. I really don't know. One thing I do know... curiosity drives me to ask. well said Hawkeye and Recoverer.. I like the way this whole thread has advanced, I guess the whole idea was just to point to that we are all openminded and seeking the answers, sort of like one's man's treasure is another man's junk idea..I would say where one's focus's one's mind in whatever direction as time goes on more information is provided to that seeking mind on that focus bringing it in..meaning we all walk thru time and seek and you will find. the seeker, the finder, the observer. we are all of these. when life gives u a lemon make lemonade, there you go. as time goes on our technology perhaps will become even more sensitive, to pick up this other world, however, the important thing is that we retain a sensitivity to each other and this thread shows thats what we're doing. love, alysia

i don't take photographs, but i'm pretty sure those are just dust/air particles.  i do think there are real orbs that are photographed, but those don't look like real orbs to me.

hi Recoverer, so you say you had a psychic impression as described with my smiling face? :) well you're really tuned in good these days.
its true, I like to see people on this thread particularly, being objective and not judgmental, and caring about each other. its not easy being nice to each other, huh?
I especially enjoy our new member Hawkeye and his photos.
love, alysia

LR, you would especially like Hawkeye-- too!  Full of knowledge and love--- cat

Dear you-all,

You didn't give me any feedback on my dream that gave aurora borealis colors to some orbs.  so I had to ask Google if there was any connection between orbs and the material in aruroa borealis. (I value your opinions more highly tho.)

"The source of the auroras is the sun. The sun gives off high-energy charged particles (also called ions) that travel out into space at speeds of 200 to 440 miles per second. A "cloud" or gas of such ions and electrons is called a plasma.
The stream of plasma coming from the sun is known as the solar wind.
As the solar wind interacts with the fringes of the earth's magnetic field,
the particles are "shocked" into flowing around the earth. Some of the
particles are trapped by the earth's magnetic field. They follow the
magnetic lines of force down to the ionosphere. ..."
www.reachoutmichigan.org/funexperiments/ agesubject/lessons/newton/Borealis.html

So do you think some of those particles could be our orbs?  
And even if they come in a large group, could they be a large group of spirits?

I'm serious.
Bets

Ladies, (and Men) the pleasure of conversing with all of you is my pleasure. This is such an enlighting place. Bruce must be so pleased with his creation of knowledge sharing and love expression.  

Bets--- I read with interest (and envy) about your orbs.  I hadn't time to investigate for you, and I'm happy to see you found a sight that gave you the scientific answer.  The only time I saw an orb-like light without it being in a photo is when I was at the Gateway retreat at TMI.  We had a session where person A would take a deep breath, then say to him/her self "10" , bring oneself to focus 10. (That is counting slowly to 10 to relax the body). Because we go to 10 with TMI,  by taking one deep breath and thinking the number 10----- it brings us there, instantly.  Then--- the next step was at the same time put a resonant energy balloon around ones self --- any color or not color you choose--- for protection against any negative thoughts.  Now person B approached  person A and reached out to "feel" the energy (like a force field).  Well, when the instructors were showing us how this worked, I SAW the invisible orb around person A and when B stretched out his hand to feel the energy balloon, I SAW a wave like effect in a circle. The effect looked similar to when you throw a stone in the middle of the pond and it ripples. It  shimmered in a silver color.  That's the closest to seeing an orb in "person".  I saw the "balloon" the the shimmer of a circle.

you've had some wonderful experiences Cat, I need to finish reading your book to see what else you haven't told us! :)

Bets, I did make a comment that your orbs look so organic. you already know my opinion, what else can I say, lol, I became an orb so once you've became one, it's certainly not difficult to belief they are individuals on the film.

also Bruce in that book Voyages to the Afterlife, he also became energy which moved fast in a circle and at some point saw himself as an oval orb and also, you folks should read this book, as Bruce and Monroe can do a multiple location thing, project themselves in several places with the energy.
I projected myself to my sister, but I had to show her my form, she wouldn't recognize the orb as me. shes not into this stuff.

so its not unreasonable to say that life is in everything and can be communicated with, the flower, the tree, the bird, the toaster, the animal, the orb.
its all life and its all intelligent to me.
well, its harder to communicate with the toaster. but BobMc. talks to mechanical items in order to fix them.

communicate with a toaster---- a pop-up remark!!! :P

identcat wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 7:24pm:

communicate with a toaster---- a pop-up remark!!! :P

oh oh we now have two avid punners. good one Cat!

now u got me started :) did u guys know if something around the house breaks and it has u stumped whats wrong with it, instead of kicking it to make it work you can set an intention and have a dream that night whats wrong.

I turned off my hot water heater to empty it of sediment one time and refilled it and tried to re-light it and had a problem. I didn't have a long match so I used this wax paper which clogged up the little vents in there by dripping into it.
day after day I wondered what to do, as I knew it was something simple.
had a dream the flame was lit and shining bright on the pilot. so after the dream (I did set an intention) it gave me not the answer exactly, but the confidence I could fix it as the flame image was so strong. silly me had plugged it up and had to do a cleaning on the burners and it lit just fine.

so next time something breaks try and have a dream by asking for the answer and maybe you can fix your own appliances. :)

That's the way my husband works too,
Dear Alysia!

Except he won't trust that a dream will come with the answer, so the first day he frets all day (not on a guitar either), and then he tosses around all night. Then when he wakes up, he just goes over and fixes the whatever. I'll tell him you said it was OK to just peacefully wait for the dream . :D

Lol, I think we need a category for kids, spouses, etc who won't come to this site but are watching and benefitting from our experiences here. What can we call them (other than 'loved ones' ?)

Bets

Woops--off topic.  Well, he helped me take my orb photos. --whew.

Bets said: I'll tell him you said it was OK to just peacefully wait for the dream .

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lol, no, I didn't say mean that. :) what I really think happens is the anxiety sets up the intention to seek the answer. if we're too peaceful about things, seems like it doesn't work. :) but I understand what you're saying, how frustrating when a loved one is agitated, so is the spouse to be watching them, and picking up their frustration.
I'm not sure how to produce the answer, but we can talk about it, maybe just remind each other on the other side of any question is riding the answer, as the two are inseparable. the doctor always says take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning. that sound pretty good too. :)

Alysia:

Psychic impression? I figured my guidance showed me the image. Occasionally they'll do that, show me somebody's name on this or Linn's board, and there ends up being a reason for their doing so.

When it comes to you,  I received those disc member messages I told you about a while ago; I had two dreams that I shared with you; one time I received a message that people were messing with you on another message board (you wrote a post during this time period stating that this was so);  another message I can't remember; and recent occurences of your photo on this forum.


LaffingRain wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 3:00am:

hi Recoverer, so you say you had a psychic impression as described with my smiling face? :) well you're really tuned in good these days. its true, I like to see people on this thread particularly, being objective and not judgmental, and caring about each other. its not easy being nice to each other, huh? I especially enjoy our new member Hawkeye and his photos. love, alysia

Psychic impression? I figured my guidance showed me the image

same meaning to me, the above. I figure we are all psychic to some degree we allow it and call it different names. so if we are all psychic to a degree, lol, you and I and a few others are the only ones talking about it! :D  
certainly we are also connected to nonphysical CW's, as guides. but they can only deliver what the vehicle is open to receive.

one thing about me Albert when I post here I'm talking to the whole world, to god, so I have to use words that the whole world understands in general. I am wishing to relate to the world in broadest possible manner through self expression which includes that limited vocabulary I have.
so psychic can mean just about anything a person wants it to mean. u may think its a negative term. I used to think that. But society put that negation on it. its not negative to have like 2020 mental/spiritual vision. its like a fish developing legs though I suppose.

you should start seeing other forum members here shortly, not just moi. Maybe my guides and your guides are working together? that happens. some times I get info this is correct, other times I just have to wait and see what it means.

you know why I like this time of life so much? :) strangers become friends so quickly; either here or on the street. we are life. we are like ships passing in the night, a lot of us without an anchor, just drifting by..tooting our horns in the night. I like the sound.

we all belong to one another in this way. we may never meet again the same person who uplifted us and we may not be in their disc. the disc confuses me Albert. I love Bruce and learn a lot from him, but the disc was his vision or perhaps Monroe's.

It needs a lot more interpretation and exploration for it to become clear, as if we're not careful and we just accept it face value and say just because we love someone we are in their disc, then it tends to lead to an elitist type of thinking which excludes others from this disc image, where if we just concentrate on that humanity is one, its easier for me anyway so people don't get the wrong idea, that some got it and some don't, you understand? and I don't think Bruce's disc was intended to exclude anybody.

it might mean, the disc, it might mean a group of people agreed to come together for awhile to manifest something. I really can't imagine that well what my well respected friends were looking at. I was probably the one in the corner saying ok, I'll follow! sounds good! somebody called me a yes person, was that you?
I am a yes person if it has anything to do with my personal visions for a peaceful cohesive world.

blessing be! :)

Alysia:

Responses within double quotation marks.


LaffingRain wrote on Jul 25^th, 2007 at 4:22pm:

Psychic impression? I figured my guidance showed me the image same meaning to me, the above. I figure we are all psychic to some degree we allow it and call it different names. so if we are all psychic to a degree, lol, you and I and a few others are the only ones talking about it! :D   certainly we are also connected to nonphysical CW's, as guides. but they can only deliver what the vehicle is open to receive. ""I didn't have the ability to communicate with spirits when I was a kid. This was something I developed through meditation, awakened kundalini, lots of energetic work from spirit help, and by letting go of ideas."" one thing about me Albert when I post here I'm talking to the whole world, to god, so I have to use words that the whole world understands in general. I am wishing to relate to the world in broadest possible manner through self expression which includes that limited vocabulary I have. so psychic can mean just about anything a person wants it to mean. u may think its a negative term. I used to think that. But society put that negation on it. its not negative to have like 2020 mental/spiritual vision. its like a fish developing legs though I suppose. ""I didn't think of "psychic" as a negative term. Some people interpret "psychic" as something one does without involving a spirit helper."" you should start seeing other forum members here shortly, not just moi. Maybe my guides and your guides are working together? that happens. some times I get info this is correct, other times I just have to wait and see what it means. ""On my last post I wrote that I have received messages relating to other forum members."" you know why I like this time of life so much? :) strangers become friends so quickly; either here or on the street. we are life. we are like ships passing in the night, a lot of us without an anchor, just drifting by..tooting our horns in the night. I like the sound. we all belong to one another in this way. we may never meet again the same person who uplifted us and we may not be in their disc. the disc confuses me Albert. I love Bruce and learn a lot from him, but the disc was his vision or perhaps Monroe's. ""There are others who have found the same.  Besides TMI people,  Joachim Wolfe, Rawn Clarke, Ron Kruger and perhaps a few NDE people. I've had experiences and have received messages stating that in some way the disc/I-there/oversoul viewpoint is correct."" It needs a lot more interpretation and exploration for it to become clear, as if we're not careful and we just accept it face value and say just because we love someone we are in their disc, then it tends to lead to an elitist type of thinking which excludes others from this disc image, where if we just concentrate on that humanity is one, its easier for me anyway so people don't get the wrong idea, that some got it and some don't, you understand? and I don't think Bruce's disc was intended to exclude anybody. ""Certainly it needs more interpretation. It probably can't be translated completely into human terms. Regarding saying somebody is a member of your disc simply because you love them, this isn't what happened when I received a message stating you were a member of my disc.  I was meditating one day and loud and clear I heard a voice say: "Albert, laffingrain is a member of your disc." I didn't think about this message, continued meditating for a short while, clicked out into a state that was timeless, and the first thing I heard when I came back was: "Laffingrain is very important to you." I asked for a confirmation, I was told Tennessee Walz.  Turns out you used to sing it.  Sure there are others who have sang the song, but many more that never had. I've never thought of the disc viewpoint as being an exclusive thing. I joked on another thread about having a dream where my disc took up an entire block. Even though I was joking on my post, the dream actually occurred.  In the dream I was in this huge multileveled house that had a big courtyard in the middle. Lots of people visited this house and did numerous things.  It was clear to me that this dream was about my disc, and it served the point of communicating that discs are open systems lots of other spirits visit.  The feeling I got is that everybody got along real well. "" it might mean, the disc, it might mean a group of people agreed to come together for awhile to manifest something. I really can't imagine that well what my well respected friends were looking at. I was probably the one in the corner saying ok, I'll follow! sounds good! somebody called me a yes person, was that you? I am a yes person if it has anything to do with my personal visions for a peaceful cohesive world. blessing be! :)

ha! I forgot all about the Tennessee Waltz but now I remember you told me about this. I only sang it a couple of times in a resthome. not a favorite tune, just a karoake tape our group had. I'm trying to find another meaning, like perhaps we did a life in Tennessee, we waltzed or something? well its a mystery.

I'm not in disagreement about the disc, I'm just not understanding it. in my head I just see a CD disc. In my book, I thought about the disc as guides. I came up with 12. just like Christ had 12 disciples. seemed  good number, as I'm aware of guides now and then. that would be like the core group I'd say. then I asked Bruce about the numbers which he said could be thousands. getting to know a 2,000  disc members could be a daunting task! lol.  easier for me to just call myself a humanist believing in oneness and PUL, the glue of oneness and let it go at that.
disc members as guides is to mean everyone is a teacher; teaching who they are, at the same time everyone is a student and a teacher at the same time because we teach what it is we need to learn. also one of my main guides DP, is learning stuff from me!

aside from that, there was mentioned that disc members will sometimes go over to another disc and join that disc. seems a flexible state of affairs all in all.

I do believe we go obe at night though and discuss things which eventually make their way to this board, which is the I/there. definetely have evidence of that on more than one occasion which is enough food for thought to keep me busy for awhile!

take care all you disc members and non disc members, for all I know all 5,000 registrants will be ascending into graduation soon. either that or I'll join Dave as a tube worm. I like the mud! love, alysia

So funny, I love that song. Such a beautiful dance, I can see them dancing right now.  Sometime I hum it. I  am still but a youngster at 48 but some songs from yesteryear are timeless. I could be sending out an orb of PUL right now just thinking of it.

Alysia:

Chances are a disc doesn't look like anything in particular. A disc might be just one way of visualizing it. Irene (Black Panther) was shown a pomegranate with multiple selves within it. My guidance has also used pomegranate symbology. They've symbolized my disc in numerous ways. Like I'd walk into a grand hotel, and would know it was my disc.  I've read another account where a guy saw like a computerized octopus when he saw his, and its tentacles reached out to its different incarnations. I agree that there is no fixed number when it comes to disc numbers.

It seems to me that the disc idea takes linear time into consideration.  If you see it from a no time perspective, it probably seems a bit different.




LaffingRain wrote on Jul 26^th, 2007 at 3:57am:

ha! I forgot all about the Tennessee Waltz but now I remember you told me about this. I only sang it a couple of times in a resthome. not a favorite tune, just a karoake tape our group had. I'm trying to find another meaning, like perhaps we did a life in Tennessee, we waltzed or something? well its a mystery. I'm not in disagreement about the disc, I'm just not understanding it. in my head I just see a CD disc. In my book, I thought about the disc as guides. I came up with 12. just like Christ had 12 disciples. seemed  good number, as I'm aware of guides now and then. that would be like the core group I'd say. then I asked Bruce about the numbers which he said could be thousands. getting to know a 2,000  disc members could be a daunting task! lol.  easier for me to just call myself a humanist believing in oneness and PUL, the glue of oneness and let it go at that. disc members as guides is to mean everyone is a teacher; teaching who they are, at the same time everyone is a student and a teacher at the same time because we teach what it is we need to learn. also one of my main guides DP, is learning stuff from me! aside from that, there was mentioned that disc members will sometimes go over to another disc and join that disc. seems a flexible state of affairs all in all. I do believe we go obe at night though and discuss things which eventually make their way to this board, which is the I/there. definetely have evidence of that on more than one occasion which is enough food for thought to keep me busy for awhile! take care all you disc members and non disc members, for all I know all 5,000 registrants will be ascending into graduation soon. either that or I'll join Dave as a tube worm. I like the mud! love, alysia

Hi all, I seem to need images as much as I need a sound to understand the disc.
the pomegranate I did like that one a bunch.

one image is the grid, a network of lines I see going in every direction, criss crossing, and then I link these lines of the grid to time/event lines of thought and predestination.
then I see the grid as a circuit board and everytime an entity travels a grid line, like on a circuit board it lights up. I as a spark travel the grid lines in my imagination, dancing.

then I have this other image, but its not an image, its just thought. 9 essence bodies of beingness, all humanity and nonhuman life forms, would include those from other star systems. all fall into one of the 9 essence bodies, which is to simplify, we are all in this together focusing on a particular intention to incarnate and get a particular experience or two, or three.
the essences dfferences are not so important, but I would see them as different colors of the rainbow and all subtle shadings of that, as all the colors have spectrums within those colors we do not see, but rather feel as vibratory and also we the images provide form of a fluid nature, changed by thought.
what would propel and fuel this interlocking grid of light is PUL. love of life included, of all life in its myriad form, texture, sound and its movement of aspiration.

Hawkeye, yes that is a beautiful song. it even has the word beautiful in it. it may have the story of humanity in it. the dancer may be giving up love so that another can experience it, which she sees as important that all experience love.
in that case, love hurts because its like staring at the sun and becoming blinded.
whoops, I'm doing poetry again! we certainly messed up the topic didn't we?

In reply #14, Spooky2 asked about orbs staying in the same place. Well, in May I attended an OBE weekend at TMI with Robert Bruce. Some of us went out at night near the crystal to take orb pictures. There is at least one case where the same orb appears in two different people's pictures, taken from different spots. i.e. there is an orb on someone's back. it appears at the same place in two different pictures, taken at slightly different times, and of couse the people are in slightly different locations. So this makes me think that not all orbs are dust particles.

When the pictures here were taken there were a number of others also taking pics. These ones, so graciously posted by Juditha for me, were the only ones that show the Orbs. They are not dust, not some powder, insects, lights, etc. I don't know what they are. I call them Orbs.

thank you Bob1952 this shows that it's not the camera lens producing it, as two different cameras took the same pictures. thats always good evidential to consider for skeptics.

I think the real problem is, we have a physical body right? if when we die we might become body-less, thats the scarey thought skeptics don't want to face.
I became not exactly a tube worm, but I became an orb once. it was real, of course I am not believed. It doesn't matter I am not believed. I would not say it was not valuable information to have become an orb, despite I cannot share the authenticity of the experience.
well, it was scary! after all, I identify with my vehicle, for the moment, as being me.
the good thing about it, is once we die, we can generate a form if we so wish. I am going to be simply gorgeous! love to all, happy exploring!
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Hi folks,

Whew, it took me a long time to catch up on this thread.  I always like studying photos and orbs, whatever they are, are always interesting.  

Speaking of photos, how do I place my photos into a thread?  I thought I might put some up from the recent workshop.  Anyone interested?  I didn't get a lot, as I didn't want everyone to think I was a pest snapping pictures all the time.  

And speaking of photos again, what the heck was going on with you Spooky?  Were you sleep walking, very ill that day, or what?  Bets had me cracking up with the fingernail thing.  

Alysia, something you said caught my attention, "Anxiety sets up the intention to seek the answer".  This seems to be very true.  Lately I've been trying to come up with the catalysts which set our intentions.  Not only do emotions set up our intentions, they also convey them for us.  

Quote Vicky: "Were you sleep walking, very ill that day, or what?"
No, not at all Vicky lol, it was just, you know, one of these photos...but for research's sake I had to post it!  :)

Quote Vicky: "Speaking of photos, how do I place my photos into a thread?" Yeah Vicky, it's time for you too to join the club of photo-posters lol. You have to upload photos to a picture host. Many do this for free as photobucket or imageshack. Then you have to insert a code in your post which consists of the internet address of the picture and a " img " before and " /img" after the address. Look at the help function of this site.

Spooky

In regards to your research photo, thanks for taking one for the team!


Upload picture to a host, got it.  While I'm at it I may as well find that cure for cancer.  That might actually be easier than what you just described.  Is there any way you could be more specific and walk me through what you just described?  After all, I just recently learned how to even use my camera.  Uploading to the web is a whole other brain function I'm not sure I have yet.   ::)

I don't know how to help you load pictures from your camera to your desktop, I think you need some little plug in device that communicates with your computer?
my daughter has a photo taking cell phone and she just emails her pictures then I download them from the email and take them over to photobucket where I can size them and get codes for here.

hope you can load them to the puter first and we can go from there Vicki.
I was just talking about anxiety or wanting something bad enough, like an experience, where you say emotion will convey the experience, thats a good way to put it Vicky, emotion as a carriar. I like that. will meditate on it. love, alysia

yes I've been working on what the catalyst is for about 6 years or so. what produces an involuntary experience. I'd just say the short answer, partial answer, deep curiosity, yearning, anger, (be careful with that one) desire, altruistic longings, emotions of all kinds seems to bring about some helpfulness, a conveyer, then in the dream state, the emotions can act as a color filter too.
please let me know if you come up with more ideas along this lines.

I have managed to learn how to get them from the camera to the computer.  And I just did a test run putting a few on photobucket.  Yeah me!

Ok, now I need to test putting a picture here.  How do I know it will fit???

I'll try and see what happens.  

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cool!!! lemme know if you want me to resize it, I can. who's that with you Vicky?
love, alysia  hmm. its probably Bruce, as he has a cane, right?

I must be right, lol, I posted at 11:11

You're kidding right??  Of COURSE that's Bruce.   :)

haha! I didn't know he wore sandles... :)