Hello to everyone on the boards. I discovered these forums a couple of days ago, and I've been fascinated with it ever since. I've read quite a few threads, and also a fair bit about Bruce Moen. I haven't read such exciting things for years, and I now want to order that book and the audio CD's, to try it out. But I have a question (kind of) for you all.

You see, in my 26 years of living, I have to my knowledge never, I repeat NEVER, experienced anything strange or supernatural. I've always been somewhat obsessed with the meaning of life, in particular the afterlife. I've tried different belief systems, those didn't work out. I've tried meditating, which also didn't work out. The result? I'm practically an atheist now, with all the grief that gives me. Since discovering this site, though, I'm starting to move towards being a believer again. It stresses me out a lot that I can't seem to experience anything out of the ordinary, and it's hard to believe anything when nothing ever happens, but I guess I'm stubborn, and I'm still looking for answers.

My question to you is, I suppose: Can a guy who has never experienced anything at all, get results with Moen's books and CD's, or must one have a certain ability from birth?

Hi and welcome.....S......okay, I need a nickname! I give up!

Bruce Moen himself states that you don't need special abilities to use his method successfully. I believe him.

love, blink :)

Hello and welcome:

Everybody has different needs. It probably hasn't been necessary for you to have spiritual experiences up to this point of your life. Chances are they'll come when needed. You might even find that you've had some with realizing it. Life itself is a spiritual experience. Moments of deep love can mean more than going out of body.

Try paying close attention to your dreams. Keep a dream journal near your bed. After a while, you'll realize that there is something really interesting and special about dreams. Especially after you start paying attention to them.

Thanks for the answers so far.

Recovery wrote: "It probably hasn't been necessary for you to have spiritual experiences up to this point of your life."

It depends on exactly what you mean. For me personally, as I have been all my life, I've wanted nothing more than have a spiritual experience of significant character. But, perhaps I am not supposed to have one.

As for dreams, I've always been fascinated by those too, but I've almost never dreamt anything truly significant. I do remember one time, though, that I dreamt of the apocalypse (at a time where I had finally renounced the Christian God in my mind, as he just didn't make sense. This was a few years ago). The skies were on fire and vengeful angels came flying down on earth. Me and my friend died over and over, and it felt pretty bad. At the end of the dream, someone told me to remember a number(2958. I even wrote a song named that. ) , though I felt I kind of made that number up myself. Anyway, when I woke up, I felt TERROR. I have never felt so senselessly afraid before or since, I was honestly considering that it could be the end of the world for real. Pure terror. So, first I wrote down the number, and then I switched on the television, to calm my nerves. The first thing that comes on is Everybody Loves Raymond, and that woman says "It's not the end of the world". Which at the time freaked me out, but as days went by, I considered it a message from...someone...that there was nothing to fear. So yeah, that was kind of a extreme experience, I admit. Later I have dismissed it as coincidence. If it was not, I can't help but think that Jehovah wanted to punish me for renouncing him, and other spirits or beings thought he was being nonsensical, and decided to help me snap out of it. Regardless, the song I wrote was pretty kickass, if I may say so myself. :D

I've been thinking about keeping a dream journal, but haven't bothered yet. I really should though, as I love some of them.

wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2007 at 5:53pm:

Hi and welcome.....S......okay, I need a nickname! I give up!

Sorry about that, haha. This board doesn't allow me to use an Ø, so I had to pick a much more difficult name. It means Star Explosion, so call me that if ya want to. Or just Star. Or Very Cool Person. :D

Hi Stjerneeksplosjon, I think Bruce's Guidebook is a good source of information to widen one's perception. One of the keys is modified kind of meditation, which combines relaxation and imagination. Along with this goes an attitude of acceptance, to let go the judgemental "it's only imagination" habit, it means not to take everything as objective truth what you perceive in a mind journey, but, like Bruce put it (or similar), "to temporarily suspend disbelief".

Blink, maybe you can call Stjerneeksplosjon Starburst. Right Stj. ? Edit: I see I'm right!

Spooky

Yes Starburst, coincidents are something to look at. Generally, to experience life in a new way, one can try to approach it holding it for possible, that everything could contain a hint, a meaning, more than just a physical mechanic process. It might be that you discover patterns and a network becomes visible, where many things are fitting together in a surprising way.
You're young, so have patience! (I know it can be hard...)

Spooky

Stjerneeksplosjon:

I did the same thing. Found out that there is no such thing as a wrathful, vengeful, jealous, and homophobic God. However, I did find that God and Christ in a non-fundamentalist way are a key part of divine reality. This discovery wasn't based on what I read. It was based on numerous experiences.

I communicate with spirits. One time I was shown a crucifix. I didn't understand why, since my heart and mind weren't very open to Christ at the time.  So I asked why. I was then shown a legless, headless manikin with a white fur coat with black spots on it, standing on a department store floor. I understood what this image meant right away. "They killed him (Christ), they put him on display, they spotted his reputation." Next I experienced myself pressing the high C note on my piano (not physically). I understood this to mean that Christ represents the highest consciousness there is.

One night I had what I refer to as my night in heaven experience. During this experience I clearly understood that God, Christ and the afterlife exist. Not only did I understand that they existed, I completely understood how it was possible for them to exist without having to think about it.  It was an automatic knowing that was way beyond what my conditioned mind could create.  The level of happiness I felt in this realm was wonderful. At the end I saw a star flash. I understood this to be a sign of Christ, who's importance in the grander scheme of things was clear during this experience.

I can understand why fundamentalism turned you off. It turned me off big time too. But then I decided to keep my mind and heart open when it comes to God and Christ, and I've found in numerous experiential ways that they are significant realities.

Sort of related to this, I recently read that Robert Monroe's wife Nancy remained a devoted Christian throughout her life even though she was married to Robert.  C.S. Lewis was her favorite writer (I haven't read anything he wrote).   I communicate with spirits quite often. Some of these spirits are guidance based spirits.  Some drop by for other reasons.  A couple of nights ago,  a couple of days after reading about Nancy Monroe's commitment to Christianity, I heard a friendly voice say: "Hello from Nancy." I didn't see her, but I got a good feeling when I heard her voice.  I'm not 100% certain, but I got the feeling that she was acknowledging my faith in Christ.

Some people might say I'm going to end up in a focus level 25-26 belief system some day. My "experience" tells me differently.  


[quote author=Stjerneeksplosjon link=1183499203/0#3 date=1183502923]at a time where I had finally renounced the Christian God in my mind, as he just didn't make sense.

If Jesus and God are a big part of the afterlife, they are more than welcome to tell me, right now if they'd like.

Nice going with the translation spooky2, I guess you have some knowledge of Norwegian?

Welcome to the board Stjerneeksplosjon 8-) You'll always find fascinating discussions.

I like you have had relatively few out of the ordinary experiences. I have had a deep fascination with spirituality and all things paranormal for a few years now. What has worked for me personally is to build my knowledge and understanding of afterlife matters through reading books and surfing an array of websites and discussing with learned souls on this board.

I find with an increased knowledge and learning I am more open to experiencing things and therefore I am noticing more things, like remembering dreams. I'm having 'psychic moments' in other words I am getting ever so slightly pre-cognitive, things like thinking about what someone is about to say before they've said it and with such accuracy. I could dismiss it as co-incidence but now its happening more and more often I seriously think something's really going on. I do not know why that would be happening to me??  :-?

I've just purchased Bruce's Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook and CD's and I've only started to do the exercises. Maybe I will take [i]longer to make progress than other people but I believe what they all say anyone can do it  :)

Never say die

Thanks for replying, Never. Are you perchance a Black Sabbath fan? I ask because your nick is the name of one of their albums.

Is that so? Not a fan myself. Classic rock fan eh?

Never say die - just my motto, never give up! on the other hand its also a spiritual thing.

I believe in the saying 'There is No Death'  so Never say Die!

Glad to have you on the forum.

Never say die

I see. Well, that album is really bad anyway, so I'm not disappointed or anything. And yeah, you could call me a classic rock fan, among other things. Lately I've gone all the way back to The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan and The Who, though. :)

And I hope you're right; that there is no death.

They are some of my parents favourite bands  :D

I say learn all you can on this site and on others. If you open yourself up to the conceptual side of things, you may discover a greater awareness of the spirituality within and around you.

Never say die wrote on Jul 6^th, 2007 at 1:25am:

They are some of my parents favourite bands  :D I say learn all you can on this site and on others. If you open yourself up to the conceptual side of things, you may discover a greater awareness of the spirituality within and around you.

Actually, I think I'll mostly stay on this site, as it seems to lack the bs found on just about every supernatural/afterlife/unexplained whatever boards. I will definitely order the audio cd's and book when I can afford it. :)

Hi Stjern-
As one of the propagators of BS, I feel I need to add a few words.

First, to answer your specific question, you can definitely profit from reading Bruce's books. Aside from being interesting, they give insight into a natural mode of mediumship that most of us experience. While this is not a five minute study, it is quite easy, and Bruce's Book Five (Home Study) has a number of useful CDs to prompt you through the various stages.

Second, to augment the BS factor, death is actually very real. The interesting thing is that it isn't fatal.

dave

Dave, are you using "bs" the same way I'm using "bs", ie "bullshit"? Because if you do, I don't understand why you think you are talking bs.  :-?

Apologies - I often add humor where it gets me in trouble. To tell jokes is not the most useful mode of communication. Nevertheless, the point I make is that death is a real and often terrifying experience, but it does not kill us off - it is simply a transition - hence, death is not fatal. Afterwards, everybody in my regression sessions has reported that they were finally at peace, no matter how wretched their lives had been.

dave

dave_a_mbs wrote on Jul 9^th, 2007 at 4:35pm:

Apologies - I often add humor where it gets me in trouble. To tell jokes is not the most useful mode of communication. Nevertheless, the point I make is that death is a real and often terrifying experience, but it does not kill us off - it is simply a transition - hence, death is not fatal. Afterwards, everybody in my regression sessions has reported that they were finally at peace, no matter how wretched their lives had been. dave

well said Dave. I did pick up your humor btw. I often fall on my face here regarding humor, so don't feel bad and please keep your humor despite we get our signals crossed so easy.
I do believe we as journeyers of ELS are taking it seriously too much as once you get over there, its true, no matter how wretched it looks from here, it was because we decided it was wretched, then we get another view and wish we could have seen it wasn't that serious after all.
love, alysia
so your clients are telling the truth, my opinion.

Starboom wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2007 at 5:46pm:

Hello to everyone on the boards. I discovered these forums a couple of days ago, and I've been fascinated with it ever since. I've read quite a few threads, and also a fair bit about Bruce Moen. I haven't read such exciting things for years, and I now want to order that book and the audio CD's, to try it out. But I have a question (kind of) for you all. You see, in my 26 years of living, I have to my knowledge never, I repeat NEVER, experienced anything strange or supernatural. I've always been somewhat obsessed with the meaning of life, in particular the afterlife. I've tried different belief systems, those didn't work out. I've tried meditating, which also didn't work out. The result? I'm practically an atheist now, with all the grief that gives me. Since discovering this site, though, I'm starting to move towards being a believer again. It stresses me out a lot that I can't seem to experience anything out of the ordinary, and it's hard to believe anything when nothing ever happens, but I guess I'm stubborn, and I'm still looking for answers. My question to you is, I suppose: Can a guy who has never experienced anything at all, get results with Moen's books and CD's, or must one have a certain ability from birth?

Hello and welcome to the board. I'm David (one of 3 on this board.) I'm kindof like you in that I haven't been able to go out of body or meditate but have been really interested in this kind of thing lately. However, I have had strange dreams that I can not explain that may possibly have some spiritual meaning. Usually they come after praying for guidance. It could be that neither or us are ready for such an experience yet. We're both still young (I'm 22.) While I've yet to have an OOBE I can still say that many experiences we have in our waking lives still teach and enlighten us in many ways.
Peace,
David

dave_a_mbs wrote on Jul 9^th, 2007 at 4:35pm:

Apologies - I often add humor where it gets me in trouble. To tell jokes is not the most useful mode of communication. Nevertheless, the point I make is that death is a real and often terrifying experience, but it does not kill us off - it is simply a transition - hence, death is not fatal. Afterwards, everybody in my regression sessions has reported that they were finally at peace, no matter how wretched their lives had been. dave

Haha, I see. And obviously there's a filter on these boards, because I never wrote "bovine scat"!  :-?

Anyways, I hope someday that I'll be able to view life as part learning/part funfunfun.

DavidLay wrote on Jul 10^th, 2007 at 9:51am:

Starboom wrote on Jul 3rd, 2007 at 5:46pm: Hello to everyone on the boards. I discovered these forums a couple of days ago, and I've been fascinated with it ever since. I've read quite a few threads, and also a fair bit about Bruce Moen. I haven't read such exciting things for years, and I now want to order that book and the audio CD's, to try it out. But I have a question (kind of) for you all. You see, in my 26 years of living, I have to my knowledge never, I repeat NEVER, experienced anything strange or supernatural. I've always been somewhat obsessed with the meaning of life, in particular the afterlife. I've tried different belief systems, those didn't work out. I've tried meditating, which also didn't work out. The result? I'm practically an atheist now, with all the grief that gives me. Since discovering this site, though, I'm starting to move towards being a believer again. It stresses me out a lot that I can't seem to experience anything out of the ordinary, and it's hard to believe anything when nothing ever happens, but I guess I'm stubborn, and I'm still looking for answers. My question to you is, I suppose: Can a guy who has never experienced anything at all, get results with Moen's books and CD's, or must one have a certain ability from birth? Hello and welcome to the board. I'm David (one of 3 on this board.) I'm kindof like you in that I haven't been able to go out of body or meditate but have been really interested in this kind of thing lately. However, I have had strange dreams that I can not explain that may possibly have some spiritual meaning. Usually they come after praying for guidance. It could be that neither or us are ready for such an experience yet. We're both still young (I'm 22.) While I've yet to have an OOBE I can still say that many experiences we have in our waking lives still teach and enlighten us in many ways. Peace, David

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it could be that we aren't ready for it, although I've really wanted something to happen all my life. Anyway, maybe the time is close, since I've discovered this board?

ha! yes there is a filter on this board, so that we can be polite to each other! :)  I thought it was funny..one time I typed b-i-t-c-h and what came up was pregnant dog... :D I enjoyed that immensely.

just wanted to say we have young and older people here, and if you stay here you could have been led here, if you get anything out of it. I don't believe in accidents nor coincidences people come here, and its like Im expecting that person, that I knew they would come.
and its true what u guys are thinking, that u don't just wake up one day and say oh, I think I'll will go obe, or I will phase. its more like a process, it was for me. but some jump in both feet, me, I like to test the water sometimes with my big toe. other times you have to make a leap of faith.

to the original poster with the question, who says he thinks he's stubborn. change stubborn to self determination and you're already a winner. I would say start with Bruce's books and just continue from there with other books. read slowly so you can pick up clues how to explore.

if your mind wanders, put the book down as you're not concentrating, come back to it later and read in a relaxed non hurried state, you may learn something about yourself.
as to nothing ever happens, welcome to the world where nothing ever happens. thats just an attitude you can change.
my guides instructed me the reason nothing ever happens is because I don't know exactly what I want to happen. they said to write it down if that would help, list the details what you want to happen, prioritize them in other words.

I once asked spirits to knock on my walls. guess what? the buggers did it. love, alysia

Hi Star Explosion,
  I agree with Alysia that your search led you here. I believe that everything happens for a reason. You are not alone in you lack of obvious experiences but that should not deter you. I do not communicate with spirits or leave my body (that I am aware of- I believe these things may happen during sleep to most everyone) but I am still a believer. Even as a young child being raised Catholic I did not believe what I was being taught- I Knew they were wrong. I started reading spiritual books in my early twenties, taking something from each of them that rang true to me. I recommend the same to you. It is really neat when you pick up on ideas from different sources- it is a confirmation or validation. I will say that this is a life long journey- beliefs evolve over time- as you accumulate more knowledge and experience your beliefs may change or expand. Try not to feel like there is a rush to get to the next level. Life happens all the while and you may therefore have times where you feel like a lot is going on but then times where you don't. Could be because you are distracted by something in your life or because you just need to adjust and incorporate what you are absorbing into your life. Talking the talk and believing it are one thing, but puting it into daily practice is not always as easy. I struggle every day to be the person that I want to be.
Anyway, I wanted to say that you are on the right track and I am happy for you.

Love,
Michelle

P.S.  Alysia, I almost fell over because of your "pregnant dog" !  ;D

welcome Michelle E. I saw your post and my daughters on the puter so I ran to see if you and she were the same person! :) nope. she says she is not you. lol.

just thought that was funny, maybe not.  you gave very good sound advice to original poster; those in their 20's like to spring ahead so fast, maybe life just doesn't work that way really, all I know is some younger people I see around me do seem to be born with more knowledge than I had at their age, so I trust in them to show us how it's done.

signing off, a pregnant dog [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=bath.gif]

Haha, thanks for the replies, laffingrain and Michelle E. :)

Hey Stjerneeksplosjon! Welcome to the board, I have just returned myself from a break. There are an amazing bunch of people here! Definatly keep at it, I came here when I first started out and it is one thing in my life I am truly so grateful to have experienced, looking forward to hearing your stories!

I noticed you said you wrote a song on your number message, what instrument do you play? I had to ask as I love music also! Do you play in a band?

Ryan

Hello ChiliPepper! http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave.gif

missed you!

Hi Ryan,
Funny how you should pop up as I realized this week that you were missing...I haven't seen you at Linns in a while.

Good to see you. I haven't uploaded my photo yet as I want a new one but it is still on at the other site if you don't remember me :)

Love,
Michelle

stjern - i feel your pain!!!!  i left my body once, but it was when i was asleep and very briefly.  i've tried so many times to have an OBE, and wish i would see a ghost or something, but... no.  i haven't tried bruce's CD's though.  

the only thing i can think of is, either some of us were destined to not touch the spiritual realm, or we simply have to try harder..  

chilipepperflea wrote on Jul 13^th, 2007 at 12:36pm:

Hey Stjerneeksplosjon! Welcome to the board, I have just returned myself from a break. There are an amazing bunch of people here! Definatly keep at it, I came here when I first started out and it is one thing in my life I am truly so grateful to have experienced, looking forward to hearing your stories! I noticed you said you wrote a song on your number message, what instrument do you play? I had to ask as I love music also! Do you play in a band? Ryan

Hey, Ryan. I've played guitar for the past eight-nine years. I still suck, but I think it's fun! I also play the keyboard and two days ago I actually bought a mexican Fender Jazz Bass! I jam with a friend of mine, so he took his Stratocaster, and I my newly acquired bass, and sat down to learn Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band/With A Little Help From My Friends. Now I know Paul McCartney is a genius, but I didn't know his bass lines were quite that fantastic. It was almost spiritual to jam on those two songs. Then we got too drunk, and yesterday was a pretty awful day, so we're gonna continue our jam today. :D

Hey Alysia! I missed ya too! And hey Michelle! I do remember you! I must admit I fell of Linns board for quite a while and then slowly fell of here but I want to come back. I must pop over there sometime, so many more people I want to say hello too as well! How are you finding it over here?

Hey again Stjerneeksplosjon, good choice with the jazz! They seem really awesome basses, i started with a P-Bass squire and got an Arai quite a while ago, I'm not sure of the model, its a weird choice as well but i loved it in the shop and couldnt even think about leaving it there! I think jammings one of the best things you can do with music and your got me interested in McCartneys bass lines now, must take a look!

Ryan

I've heard of Squire, but not the Arai. I couldn't even find it in the online music shop where I buy stuff. It's cool that you play bass also. We continued our jam yesterday, this time I learnt some Oasis songs. They were cool to play, but the bass lines were mostly pretty basic (three days with a bass and I'm already being a snob!). So far I'm having a hard time to mute strings I've just played. I can do it with the palm of my right hand, but it's nearly impossible doing it with the left, which is what I want to learn. I'll practice a lot more, though, maybe I'll manage to do it someday. :) And yeah, check out McCartney's bass lines. Personally, I think he outdid himself on Abbey Road, but I haven't actually tried anything from that album yet. Do you pluck with your fingers, or do you use a pick? I'm trying to learn to use my fingers.

Hey again!

I tried searching for it as well when i first brought it but didn't have much luck, its hard to find! I got a myspace site and I have a picture on there when i was testing it out in london, its www.myspace.com/chilipepperflea . How the hell do you mute with your right hand!!? lol i never got that concept! I always seem to mute with my left hand but not sure how to explain, just practise i guess.  I can use a pick but not very well at all, i think you can be more creative using your fingers which is why i haven't practiced with a pick much but the tone on the bass when using a pick i do love! So are you concentrating on the bass full time then? When i first started all i did was learn red hot chili pepper lines, do you like them? They soon got me up to speed, Flea is a genius on bass, i don't know how he does it!  :o

Ryan

Well, if I hold my right hand like I do on an electric guitar with a pick, I can mute strings without a worry. But since I'm trying to learn to play with my fingers, that's counterproductive. :D The problem I have with muting with my left hand is that I have to mute one string while holding down another, I can't do two things at once, haha. Sadly, I don't like Red Hot much, they're a bit too funky for me. But I recognize the uniqueness of Flea's bass abilites.