Monroe's early book are about obe, later he taught the next step, phasing which is a quick shift to my pov, bypassing the usual obe, and may not even entail being in an astral body form, like an outline of your identity is your holographic thought self.

In obe circumstance, the realness of being there is what is noted. there seems to be degrees of lucidity when in an obe, some are more intense then others in a feeling you are now on remote control, exploring.
Phasing then might be seen as advanced, to the point where, oh, I've done this before, Im doing it again much more easily or naturally.

my study was more on what causes an obe, such as intention setting. intention setting at first can be subconscious. then you have many of us to say, it was involuntary.

phasing then can be seen as voluntary. you signed up for the show in other words, in a conscious manner.
my first retrieval was an example of involuntary intention setting. the feeling was rather like waking up in a strange room wondering how you got there.
therefore phasing is advanced, as you know how u got there already so you can proceed to do what u came there to do.

I used to think having a form, a body to go obe with was the more familiar and comfortable obe, but now it doesn't matter if I am just a point of awareness watching the scene or gliding about in my astral form.

this is a movement of consciousness seemingly in a place or space, but perhaps there is nothing out there, but you are looking at the furniture of your belief systems and these are producing images. but you are real, and your belief systems are real, so we are not disputing the reality of obes or phasing to tell us about ourselves and who we are, and what we are.

I wanted to talk about the movement, and in relationship to the word stuck, coined by TMI, as to be one needing movement from stuckness, from their belief system. retrieval is to move them to the light. or if not move them, to get their attention and guides move them.

I find my movement out there has changed over the years.  when it happens to go obe, its still involuntary for the most part, for me personally.
I felt a need to tell folks its not necessary to go obe to grow spiritually. not at all. if you're higher self takes you there, fine, but you will evolve nonetheless with no obe adventures, just paying attention to your thoughts is sufficient for growth of soul.

I noticed a correlation to being in the now moment to when I go obe. by paying attention to my thoughts. intuition or guidance seemed to say I always wanted to be somewhere else than where I was. when I stopped wanting to be somewhere else, I noticed the obes increased, and not only that but my movement of this astral body changed its frequency of movement to one of ease of movement, all this was pleasureable to observe, that my energy signature had risen, or changed, simply from practicing being satisfied with being in the now moment while in my C1 routine of life.

I called this movement change my gliding practice. like I had a skateboard. lol. I wanted to pass on the practice of being in the now is very important, and that it also acts to ground one into what is. our physical reality, which is not the only reality to be checking out. thanks for the read and happy exploring.

btw, reading stuff is what caused my first obes, and later a few phasing instances.

Hey nice post.

I remember when I began how confused I was about Obe.  I wasn't experiencing them like what I read in book.  From what I know now and from experiences, I was so "magnetized" to some thoughts pattern and addictions, that I was always projecting to the belief system territories.  I had some assistances by helper, but I did some error, that I learned from.  

In future I want to develop more this "phasing" skill.  It looks to be a nice way for the exploration.  


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changed, simply from practicing being satisfied with being in the now moment while in my C1 routine of life.

Your so true about C1 and the NOW.  The main part of our work is here (C1) and that where I put most of my effort.  Have you ever read or watch a video with Eckhart Tolle?  He wrote the book Power of Now.  His message is very profound, but so simple:  The Now.

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"when I stopped wanting to be somewhere else, I noticed the obes increased, and not only that but my movement of this astral body changed its frequency of movement to one of ease of movement.."

To not so much wanting to be elsewhere, this is something I thought of lately, I suspect this works for me too so I'll check it out.

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Alysia,

What you say resonates with me as well. In most beginnings, potential travelers are taught to "think of somewhere you would like to be" and to maintain that concentration upon that location. I am not sure at this point if I agree on the ease of that particular line of thought, because it appears to me that there are many variables to consider.

For me, the OBE is not really all that important. If I have one, so be it; if not, so be it. My interest lies within consciousness itself and states of awareness. Having said that, the effects of these states are secondary at this point. I have noticed, however, this "phasing" that you mention. I often wonder if, after practice, you simply reach a point where it becomes unnecessary for the abrupt exit and re-entry. Does the drama serve some other learning experience? (rhetorical)

For me, the shift has now become more smooth. Part of my experience arises from my ability to maintain a focus level at a wider state of awareness without feeling as though I am ping-ponging everywhere at once.

Now, for me, it can be likened to the analogy of closing one set of eyes and opening another and vice versa. When it happens, I am --  ;D -- often perplexed, because it feels as though I am lying in bed with my eyes open. In reality, so to speak, I have already transitioned. Very strange, to say the least. Once, during this experience, I was looking at the ceiling and suddenly was nose-close in my awareness of it. I was startled to say the least, but from that I learned that my consciousness gave me certain signals to the transition if I expanded my awareness to include them. I have since experienced my ability to "feel" a difference when it happens -- a light, airy, refreshed feeling, like all physical concerns are dropped. I don't get excited by this when it happens, but attempt to experience the shifting as part of a wider experience. The farther I travel, the harder it is to find words to describe the experience.


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spooky2 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2007 at 8:02pm:

Quote Alysia: "when I stopped wanting to be somewhere else, I noticed the obes increased, and not only that but my movement of this astral body changed its frequency of movement to one of ease of movement.." To not so much wanting to be elsewhere, this is something I thought of lately, I suspect this works for me too so I'll check it out. Spooky

I forgot to report that I've been practicing the now moment for 20 years Spooky. its not easy to practice being content with whats on one's table. but from what i know about you, which is very little, but I think I can say that you would pick up greater ease in explorations probably to excel my best experiences. I have always appreciated your contributions which led me to this belief in you.
love, alysia

PhantasyMan said:

I remember when I began how confused I was about Obe.  I wasn't experiencing them like what I read in book.  From what I know now and from experiences, I was so "magnetized" to some thoughts pattern and addictions, that I was always projecting to the belief system territories.
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the books seem to be just a starting point, like a place to leap off from. you are so right to say magnetized to thought patterns individually, our own. I do not think we can escape the belief system territories just yet. not me anyway. I am openminded, but I still have conflicting belief systems and my obes will illustrate where I need to go to work.
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I had some assistances by helper, but I did some error, that I learned from.  
In future I want to develop more this "phasing" skill.  It looks to be a nice way for the exploration.
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its advanced. I'm not there yet. its happened but a few times. one reason for this post is to generate thought about it, to learn from Monroe how he got to the point, and also after re-reading Bruce, he too was brought to phasing by Monroe.
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Your so true about C1 and the NOW.  The main part of our work is here (C1) and that where I put most of my effort.  Have you ever read or watch a video with Eckhart Tolle?  He wrote the book Power of Now.  His message is very profound, but so simple:  The Now.
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yes I have his book. he is also an ACIM student/teacher, so naturally am I, I had to read his book, our paths are the same. good for you, glad to see you and I look in the same direction. I would have fun to speak with you. love, alysia

EternalEssence said:
What you say resonates with me as well. In most beginnings, potential travelers are taught to "think of somewhere you would like to be" and to maintain that concentration upon that location. I am not sure at this point if I agree on the ease of that particular line of thought, because it appears to me that there are many variables to consider.
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glad to see u here once more EE. I always feel this honor descend on me when I hear from you.  insofar as the instructions to think of somewhere else, I am remind of TMI, that in the beginning of learning exploration we were instructed to build "our own place" over there. that is just a leaping off place but it gives us something to focus on in the beginning of trying to get used to the idea that there is something more to our ELS life, and that we need to have a method at first, before getting to the ease of phasing.

just briefly I made a beach place where retriever wanna-be's hung about waiting for a guide to come and get us for a retrieval. I only went to this place a few times was all that was necessary for me before I saw Monroe there talking to some of us. I decided not to go there again because I couldn't get his attention. then, lol, the exercise DID pay off of building this imaginary place, as Monroe popped up one day to pay his respects spontaneously, so he must have seen me out there trying to get his attention. it works in such surprising manner.  
so there may be a difference in what our expectations are and our ability to play along with the images presented.
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For me, the OBE is not really all that important. If I have one, so be it; if not, so be it.
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this is my attitude also. it seems healthy enough. Bruce as example gave up trying to do obes, but the phasing is so much easier once we can get a handle on it.
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My interest lies within consciousness itself and states of awareness. Having said that, the effects of these states are secondary at this point. I have noticed, however, this "phasing" that you mention. I often wonder if, after practice, you simply reach a point where it becomes unnecessary for the abrupt exit and re-entry. Does the drama serve some other learning experience? (rhetorical)
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its my conjecture that yes the abrupt exit and re-entry is in itself something to master while in C1 awareness. the drama does serve (for me) a purpose to see what I do believe about myself for the most part, as what I believe (and I may have conflicting beliefs about myself) what I believe about myself will influence greatly what I believe about these others I contact out there. figuring out who and what we are is the learning experience.
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For me, the shift has now become more smooth. Part of my experience arises from my ability to maintain a focus level at a wider state of awareness without feeling as though I am ping-ponging everywhere at once.
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could u be willing to describe a wider state of awareness, which perhaps precludes the ping pong concept? I like the reference.
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Now, for me, it can be likened to the analogy of closing one set of eyes and opening another and vice versa. When it happens, I am --  ;D -- often perplexed, because it feels as though I am lying in bed with my eyes open. In reality, so to speak, I have already transitioned. Very strange, to say the least.
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this sounds like phasing to me. it might get more familiar, so that you would be reporting to us that it has lost its strangeness! haha!
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Once, during this experience, I was looking at the ceiling and suddenly was nose-close in my awareness of it. I was startled to say the least, but from that I learned that my consciousness gave me certain signals to the transition if I expanded my awareness to include them. I have since experienced my ability to "feel" a difference when it happens -- a light, airy, refreshed feeling, like all physical concerns are dropped. I don't get excited by this when it happens, but attempt to experience the shifting as part of a wider experience. The farther I travel, the harder it is to find words to describe the experience.
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I understand what you're saying, had the same startled feeling when I pushed my hand thru a wall and then went into the wall to look at the molecular particles moving in it. very startling. the feeling of mind expanding is adequate definition at the moment, my opinion. the light, airy, refreshed feeling, I can relate to that in obes, I attempted to share that feeling when I mentioned the gliding on roller feet feeling, a graceful feeling, as u say, refreshing.
we seem to be doing alright to describe the experiences, as mentioned so many times, we need a new vocabulary for a new art of passage.
and thank you for sharing, I feel not so freaky now.

the emotions, the feeling of being startled or shocked is the phasing moment, the shifting moment, the transition moment u called it. I become very lucid with a feeling of unexpected behavior on the part of whomever I am contacting out there, friends, associates, guides, etc. this gets my attention, this expands my mind to learn somethng about myself by learning something about the other who is maybe doing a demonstration by leaping up high, or the hand slipping thru the wall, its totally unexpected, thus deserves scrutiny.

wanted to mention PUL when exploring will also expand the confines of the belief systems we all have in place. not all at once, but such an experience is brought back to memory in C1 and starts to work itself into the belief systems, unanchoring some of that entrenchment, or clinging to a certain viewpoint in defensive posture.

PUL seems to mellow people out and cause soul growth above all else as concerns methods and steps that we utilize. I'm looking forward to the assistance we have during this time as an active energy on the Earth.

happy exploring, I may need your help u guys! lwait, I know I need your help. love to all, alysia



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Alysia,

Your comment on honor was very kind. Rest assured that the feeling is mutual. The idea of a method before phasing caught my attention. You, as I see it, correct of course in that a method in the beginning gives one a structure upon which to work. Many appear discouraged and disappointed when using a method that contradicts deeply held beliefs. I often wonder about the added difficulty people bring to the experience when they rely so rigidly on a set of preset instructions. Later, once they have worked through that stage and developed some familiarity with the process, the preconceived ideas of OBEs dissipates and phasing emerges. People see this as growth when discussing it, but I liken it to widening the awareness wherein experience brings knowledge. I separate this direct experience from the testimony of those who have gone before, because though similiarties may exist, individuality always emerges. I often hope that individuals discover and relish the individual nature of consciousness rather than become disheartened that their travels do not compare with another set of recorded experiences.
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I haven't yet constructed an imaginary place -- consider this an aspect of my more organized nature -- but I shall send [and you shall know it] an invite when it is ready.

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It appears that when one tries so hard to have an OBE they create more doubt which hinders the process. They look for those preconceived dimensions -- the "vibrations", etc. I do not experience vibrations, and for me that is okay, as it does not prohibit me from having an OBE. Obviously, they are simply not important to me or my experience. Others do have them and for them that is a signal. Beginners -- and I use that term lightly -- often become upset when they don't feel those signals and are so busy concentrating on those that they miss valuable opportunities.
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Conflicting beliefs? Ah, but contradictions my dear spur growth. Most all of my experiences have provided me with just enough data to make me re-think previously considered theories and experiences, which deepens and enriches the next experience.
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Ping-ponging: My initial forays into nonphysical travels were filled with sudden shifts from here to there and back and forth. I would shift to one place, then try to regain my thoughts and think something like whey didn't I go....whooosh.......bang.....I was just...............whooosh.....bang.......I had to learn to steady my focus to prevent other ideas from redirecting myself to other areas. I can attest to instantaneious travel and to the very disorienting affect.

Wider state of awareness: In the beginning, I was aware of this second body, which I think of now as a construct because I had been led to believe [craftily] that this was a prerequsite. As I have become more comfortable, more experienced in ways, more knowledgeable, the preconceived ideas and the intellectual testimony used as springboards fell away. Now, I no longer see a "body" of any type, nor do I look for it. It implies a veil of separation that I no longer see as a valid belief for myself and which contracts the idea of ALL THAT IS. Everthing "is" at this moment, this now and if I rationalize it, it simply becomes another form of separating myself from aspects of [you fill in the blank]. I am simply an awareness expressed, which can manifest a "body" if needed, but is not necessary.
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Once, during this experience, I was looking at the ceiling and suddenly was nose-close in my awareness of it. I was startled to say the least, but from that I learned that my consciousness gave me certain signals to the transition if I expanded my awareness to include them. I have since experienced my ability to "feel" a difference when it happens -- a light, airy, refreshed feeling, like all physical concerns are dropped. I don't get excited by this when it happens, but attempt to experience the shifting as part of a wider experience. The farther I travel, the harder it is to find words to describe the experience.
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I will post more if you have any questions or comments.


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These comments are very reassuring to someone like me, who has never gone OBE as people describe, with vibrations and the certain experiences that may come along with it.

When you describe the light, airy, refreshing feelings...among other processes you mention here, I can relate to those. In fact those are the moments I love best in meditation, where I may have a single moment of recognition that I have escaped into some other corridor of self-expression and aliveness, where worries are suspended and marvelous and unplanned things can happen if I pay attention.

However, that is not the only reason I seek out meditation. Meditation stills the busy mind in a way that encourages appreciation of beauty. When a person practices seeking this beauty out internally, then it is much easier to see beauty externally. I think this is a valid hidden gift in religious practices of many kinds, and in our natural world, always here (in theory) for our appreciation and support, and in the arts and other disciplines.

love, blink :)

EE said: It appears that when one tries so hard to have an OBE they create more doubt which hinders the process.
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exactly. there should be a total absence of grunt doing this work. I tried for years to re-enact the vibrations for lift out in vain. it was only at the point of giving up that I tried a relaxation method and was able to lift out almost too easily.
I perceived my energy form as an orb. that is why I'm so sure the orbs posted up here are also spirits.
insofar as vibrations go, for those who attempt to learn obe, I'm thinking it is not necessary to re-enact the vibrations, nor even expect that to be a part of obe after a certain point. the vibes were always unreliable exit points for myself.
I'm thinking the reasons for the intense, pleasurable vibrations, in my case, was but my higher self getting my attention, that I was going to learn about obes in this life as I became most curious what it meant.
it was I assume, simply a spinning action of my chakras, very thrilling to sense the movement of energy there.
never doubt the adventure within our souls.
thanks for your post everyone. love, alysia
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