Greetings,

(I just checked Google and found that remote vewing is now considered the 7th sense, so here's an idea for the eighth.  It won't surprise most of you all, you probably take it for granted already, but I bet it would surprise folks at the local pub or streetcorner :D ! )---what do you think ?

Our eighth sense could very well be our sense of electro-magnetic fields. We can't venture into spiritual realities without it.
While in the physical we notice the hair on the back of our necks stand up when an entity approaches. That's not fear, it's the entity's E-M field--we can then choose to react with fear or to introduce ourselves in a mode of kind curiosity :).
While OB or phasing, the first indication one gets of another entity of any kind being nearby is to feel the electro-magnetic field change.

We can then refine our sense of the E-M field to tell whether the entity is operating with PUL or other positive effects, or whether it has some other charge.

If you've been exploring and retrieving you know all this.  So I guess I bring it up because 1) I don't want to listen to those guys arguing next door (i.e. thread) ;), and 2) because if the newbies knew how practical this sensitivity is, and that it's developed more quickly out of the physical body, then maybe they'd put more time into learning these 'afterlife' skills.

Here are some of the uses the eighth sense has---sense who you're compatible with, who you can trust to do business with, who you need to avoid (or teach),
etc. And probably it goes beyond the transpersonal and applies to inter-species connections too. Wow, come to think of it, why just be sensitive to other life forms? ---geo-magnetic grid lines, power points, dowsing skills all make use of the 'eighth sense.'

If yours is already operating, what other uses do you find for it?

PUL, Bets

r=betson link=1182978048/0#0 date=1182978047]Greetings,

(I just checked Google and found that remote vewing is now considered the 7th sense, so here's an idea for the eighth.  It won't surprise most of you all, you probably take it for granted already, but I bet it would surprise folks at the local pub or streetcorner :D ! )---what do you think ?
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hey, thats good we put a number on extra sensory perception , remote viewing as the 7th, sounds very logical. I cast my vote late, but I like it!
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Our eighth sense could very well be our sense of electro-magnetic fields. We can't venture into spiritual realities without it.
While in the physical we notice the hair on the back of our necks stand up when an entity approaches.
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a little joke. the hair on the back of my neck is permanently standing up. I can only get them to lay down when I think of love.
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That's not fear, it's the entity's E-M field--we can then choose to react with fear or to introduce ourselves in a mode of kind curiosity :).
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I like your train of thought. especially about the choosing part.
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While OB or phasing, the first indication one gets of another entity of any kind being nearby is to feel the electro-magnetic field change.
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I think you're right. here's another description. when another approaches, or we approach another energy field "out there" we pick up their energy signature.
the energy signature can be likened to a certain pitch or tone, or even to what we used to call vibes. it can be likened to picking up a persons entire thought paradigm, or even it can be likened to empathy, where emotional status sends a signal about the person's thought paradigm.
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We can then refine our sense of the E-M field to tell whether the entity is operating with PUL or other positive effects, or whether it has some other charge.
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thanks, I see you and I are on the same wave length. I would say from a study of my dream symbols, that my meetings with others out there first occur during an energy context as described above. then a signal gets sent to my sleeping brain, and this signal is transposed into an image, or a symbolic image supplants what really did occur out there. then the tricky part is placing the right interpretation on the symbolic images so that I can properly understand myself and my interaction nonphysically.
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If you've been exploring and retrieving you know all this.  So I guess I bring it up because 1) I don't want to listen to those guys arguing next door
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I like this thread better too!  :) its more to my preferences. you're a sweetie Bets, gee, I hope I don't get beat up for being too friendly.... :)   I'm sorry, but I just found out my emotional nature is like a big clumsy dog... :P
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(i.e. thread) ;), and 2) because if the newbies knew how practical this sensitivity is, and that it's developed more quickly out of the physical body, then maybe they'd put more time into learning these 'afterlife' skills.
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actually I'd reword that a little because not everyone believes they can obe, and its not necessary to obe to get your knowings, but obe  or phase comes naturally with the practice of meditation in some cases, as it did in mine. most of us just have a few involuntary obes in a life time, that may change shortly. some are born with the talent it looks like. others develop it. some never try, too far fetched for them. so we could say that even sitting quietly, reflecting on people that do obe, we can call that a type of meditation because usually thinking hard, to ask a question, may lead a person in the direction they want to go to explore these topics. thats the natural way to go, my opinion, also some young people will never be interested in obe or meditation. they only came to experience what their 5 senses can give them. in that case, its a choice for sure, and there's no right way or wrong way to go on a journey here, it looks like its very personally constructed from the outset, as with a planning committee in the sky.
my opinion from meditating a lot, or just thinking hard which is any thought which manages to stay in my cranium for more than 2 minutes.
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Here are some of the uses the eighth sense has---sense who you're compatible with, who you can trust to do business with
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this is interesting..this we can liken to focus 15, a place of no time. this is where i can pick up energy fields of those I want to hire for a certain project I may have around the home. I sometimes am normal and use the yellow pages, but if don't get a sense its the right person, I usually sleep on it and meet someone in symbolic terms, I can become familiar with them before I meet them. then when back in C1, what happens is they come walking up to meet me in the flesh and it's a feeling of dejevous, or a knowing occurs that this is the right person. I may get a peaceful feeling also. if u guys want to try this, before you sleep on a question so to speak, also ask whom you can serve, while they are serving you with the practical matter at hand.
in this case the whole experience become infused with spiritual implications. a word you say is helpful, or they point out something about yourself which causes joy.
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, who you need to avoid (or teach)
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avoidance within wisdom or spirit guidance can be many of our shortcomings to look at.
I think it may fall back on trusting your intuition. I have gotten in trouble not trusting my intuition. yet at the end of the troublesome situation I learned something valuable with self talk and clearing up the trouble. usually I find I'm teaching only myself, because we are all one on this other level. intuition itself may be the 8th sense, which lies undeveloped for the most part.
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etc. And probably it goes beyond the transpersonal and applies to inter-species connections too. Wow, come to think of it, why just be sensitive to other life forms? ---geo-magnetic grid lines, power points, dowsing skills all make use of the 'eighth sense.'
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I think you're right again. Sensitivity is more than just relating to people, but to the core of matter itself, including plant, animal, sky and universe.
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If yours is already operating, what other uses do you find for it?
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thanks for the invite. I like expressing these things. its so hard to do with a vocabulary. I also invite others to tell us what is their thing they are doing with non/physical senses.

love, alysia

Alysia,

You said  'Intuition itself may be the 8th sense.'

Are you suggesting that intuition operates from electro-magnetic attractions?  Now that I think of it that way, maybe that is what we're sensing. but in C1 it rarely has the full voltage of PUL or OB/phasing encounters with entities.

Your thoughts really help develope an idea!   :o

Bets

so we are trying to name the 8th sense?
you say its electro magnetic attractions...

could you go into some more detail what is electro magnetic attraction?
otherwise I will utilize my intuition what you r saying [smiley=laugh.gif]


i was reading some material recently about the future. communities will spring up based on cooperative endeavors. this creates a thought field, a magnetic thought energy field which attracts the others into it. the more that people think the same goals, the stronger can be felt the outer rings, to attract the same energies and it keeps getting more powerful.

thats all I can think of electro magnetic. except that lightning is electric, is light, is energy, and that the light and electricity may be the same thing, but different functions of the same thing.

Hi Alysia,

You are such an energy field yourself,  :D so immersed in electro-magnetic charges, that you cannot 'see the woods because the trees stand in the way'?!  It would be easier to describe to someone not into spiritual life.  You and I would call it love/PUL, but some are shy of those words, so a more neutral term is electro-magnetic. Love is the electro part. It's just the energy that says we're on the right track.

Now that you have brought up intuition, I've been thinking on it and it seems that intuition is another of our words for receiving bits of this same force. It seems that 'intuition' is a way of referring to the murmerings of soul about how much PUL (that is, how much electro-magnetic force) is in a particular situation.  Not the powerful PUL that one feels when out/phasing/sensitive to spiritual guidance, but just the trickle of PUL that can get through material reality, ego, fast schedules of busyness, etc.---Maybe I'm trying too hard to lump it all together.

Those communities you speak of sound somewhat like some of the more successful communes of the 1960's--the ones that were grouped around an idea instead of around a guru. One in the US midwest I know of is still a group of people who now call themselves a business, because their love of wildlife ecology helped create the midwest's prairie preservation movement (planting native species.) They still eat and work together through their love for each other and for their work's purpose. They were a magnetic force in bringing interest to that way of nurturing the environment.
There must be lots still around. Several exist around Mt Shasta in California. Perhaps these are the seeds of that idea.

Yes, all different aspects/ functions of the same thing!

Love, Bets

Hi Alysia,

You are such an energy field yourself,  :D so immersed in electro-magnetic charges, that you cannot 'see the woods because the trees stand in the way'?!
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oh lord I love getting nailed this way :D  I even wrote a song to a fellow said I was watching the grass grow while he had to go conquer the world, I wrote "you say I can't see the forest cause I'm tending the tree? :) what I meant was I'm not worldly ambitious, I am spiritually ambitious, but you're on the right track, my guides told me a future book on the agenda was to explain polarity energy as alternating currents. now, thats a neutral outlook sort of. btw, in my dream message, I was explaining to a group that this book would occur in "my next life."  however, my next life appears to be in this lifetime now.
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It would be easier to describe to someone not into spiritual life.  You and I would call it love/PUL, but some are shy of those words, so a more neutral term is electro-magnetic. Love is the electro part. It's just the energy that says we're on the right track.
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yes I understand the need to get unfluffy and down to earth for the general population's benefit, for all of us to evolve into understanding who and what we are. its hard if you are walking around blissfully all the time! :D  Gordon Phinn is a great help to TMI concepts as well a great retriever. He helped me understand electro magnetics, or got me into the right direction back in 02. his book will explain that as he's out and about, growing in awareness, into explorations of our unlimited being out there, the I/There Monroe speaks of, that occassionally he will "release his charge." lol. we call it having sex on this level, a total misnomer. yet my studies of polarity exchanges based on unconditional love exchanges, merging of energy fields out there goes right along with his descriptions of releasing a charge, and on a spiritual type rendering, that would be my job to explain we are co-creators with God/light to be able to do this, and exhibit the oneness concept, which PUL activates in the mental areas. I call it heart intelligence at present.
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Now that you have brought up intuition, I've been thinking on it and it seems that intuition is another of our words for receiving bits of this same force.
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I thought of another word that goes with intuitive. that of synchronization that occurs from listening to it. where DP says the path is made smooth in terms of religious concept.
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It seems that 'intuition' is a way of referring to the murmerings of soul about how much PUL (that is, how much electro-magnetic force) is in a particular situation.
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I knew u were in my life for some reason :) this brings us some rote like things; the murmerings of soul is a nice poetic term, right up my alley, I would call the murmerings, memories of soul if I were trying to explain to a person who did not believe life continues after death; I would tell them they are attached to their future life by the tail of their soul memories.
could we measure PUL? all acts of PUL would seem maximum in single instances of place and time. that is if there's no conditions put on it. we might measure it's duration in moments though. wouldn't your antannae receptors (empathy recorder, I just made that up. lol)  wouldn't these receptors be doing unconscious to C1, doing the measurement for you?  just a thought concerning trust.
I don't know how u got on my same page :) I was just reading in Bruce's Voyages Into the Afterlife Vol 3 yesterday about an experiment to measure PUL, this energy, and while immersed in the feeling of it, the group who were attempting measurement got too blissed out to even bother measureing it..I was reading that story and giggling my head off.
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 Not the powerful PUL that one feels when out/phasing/sensitive to spiritual guidance, but just the trickle of PUL that can get through material reality, ego, fast schedules of busyness, etc.---Maybe I'm trying too hard to lump it all together.
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the trickle..it does seem different in C1, much more powerful with the I/There. yet I feel, think, we must make C1 and I/There into one place, where each influences the other until they become One state of conscious awareness/being. Well, I agree, its not practical to be blissed 24/7, yet it is possible to experience a subtle feeling of peace within at all times with attention to keeping oneself stable in that priority.
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Those communities you speak of sound somewhat like some of the more successful communes of the 1960's--the ones that were grouped around an idea instead of around a guru. One in the US midwest I know of is still a group of people who now call themselves a business, because their love of wildlife ecology helped create the midwest's prairie preservation movement (planting native species.) They still eat and work together through their love for each other and for their work's purpose. They were a magnetic force in bringing interest to that way of nurturing the environment.
There must be lots still around. Several exist around Mt Shasta in California. Perhaps these are the seeds of that idea.
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hmm. have to google Mt Shasta. I might want to live there. I'm still waiting to see where I get sent to next. love! and the Adventure Continues! alysia

Hello,

Alysia said (among other things  :)  : ' I would call the murmerings,
memories of soul if I were trying to explain to a person who did not
believe life continues after death; I would tell them they are attached
to their future life by the tail of their soul memories. '

I like that Alysia!  You really do present ideas well !

Now I'm thinking it would be fun to 'bait' you  :D---by just throwing out to you a word or two and see how you develop it as a theme---teehee! (That's not the word.) I'll have to wait though until intuition gives me a word.  
I appreciate your thoughts.

Bets

yes I would like that Bets :)

If I might suggest, there are definitely other kinds of polarities besides the electro-magnetic.  While electricity and magnetism are convenient, these are like the metaphor that David9 is agonizing over, in that they imply a specific set of expectations. Bets has been thinking in terms of "string theory" and I'm presently interested in "Kaluza-Klein type models" (where strong theory began), both of which imply entry into a world of greatly developed polar flows and relationships, of which we have only the tiniest hint at present.

There was a time that people built mechanical automatons and everything was thought of in mechanical terms. When Galvan got a frog's leg to twitch with electricity it became "Galvanic potential". When the telephone became popular we started using a metaphor of a switchboard, with the consciousness plugging and unplugging connections. This has now yielded to a computer metaphor, and a few people are trying to directly (and in most cases, inappropriately) apply quantum concepts to explain spirituality etc. They are just metaphors. Taking them literally is often unjustified.

Hmmm - the idea makes the hairs stand up on my neck too. I wonder why.

d

I wonder why your hairs stand up too Dave?  :) don't you think we can combine in our thought science with spirituality without it being de-humanizing?
was thinking PUL energy is not at all dehumanizing once we all can agree what is it is as opposed to what it isn't. polarities like u and I seem to attract here, although I've been accused of not being deep enough before, I do think life itself is a sacred mission no matter what quantum ideas get accepted, or like me with my holograms floating around, it's still PUL energy and creative components of that PUL that keep me interested in what a human being is made up of, who we are.
ok, suppose it can't done. religion and science are just not compatible. still, it certainly keeps me occupied until I can catch a bus out of here :)  not that I'm clock watching or anything.

if I ever get smarter I'll come visit you when I'm a ghost and give u a thumbs up I'm sure.

The only point I'm making is that the assumption of "what causes this" is often carried in the description of what has been caused.  PUL I can understand. But E-M fields imply specific physics which may (or may not) be involved.  My hair seems to stand up at the thought of most things spiritual, at least when I experience them. But I've had experiences of other kinds of energetic fields that were definitely not E-M. (Under one set of conditions I am able to repeatedly, and reliably cause carpet fibers to rise and wiggle, just as if I had an electrostatic field to stimulate them. But it is definitely not E-M.) I keep recalling Shakespeare's words,  "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are deamt of in your small philosophy." In fact, PUL can be viewed in terms quite similar to gravitation - without the decline due to physical separation. (But the abstraction seems to lose the essential humanism of the experience.)

I think the actual difference between religion and science is that religious experiences simply are, while all us scientific types keep running about asking, "Why." And of course, the ultimate answer is, "God". So I'm poking about in between that "what" and the "why".

PUL
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Dave said: So I'm poking about in between that "what" and the "why".
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oh. u just described a feeling. I don't think thats ever been done here :)

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I like what Kyo once said here concerning these areas of exploring like pioneers, he said theres another institution of learning just down the road and over the bend where they have invented new terminology, verbs and nouns, what not, and if we mosey on over, we'll see we are not the only fox in the hen house during what I choose to call the shift in consciousness and what another will call enlightenment or even ascension.

now, wait. just had this other thought that you were not expressing a feeling. I was shifting into another nonphysical sensory place, to express my comparisons to symbolic words.

I admit my first impressions of electro magnetics was that there was so much more to the what, the how, the why of it then those words, unless we are all rather like the image our friend brings to us, Senote, I believe, standing there in a ring of electricity.
I like fairy dust images better but I'll take any image but the pig in the mud one upsets me a little.

I suppose the whole point, from my view right at the moment, of this thread where its going, is that we deal with self images as if they were the only reality, and these images come from our own beliefs and desires. since an image and a word as well are incomplete vistas and not the only reality but allude to something else, we might as well be pigs in the mud [smiley=bath.gif]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go there. I've often thought PUL was the glue of the universe where you say it can be compared to gravitation..

then u said ..without the decline due to physical separation".

you mean gravitation forces, glue, is still active after death? no decline or decay?

Yes. I'd agree. one thing we want to be extremely careful not to dehumanize a journey, no matter what the pathway is. technology getting the upper hand was what sent Atlantis back to the drawing board my opinion.

change out God to All That Is, is sometimes helpful when I get to thinking a wee bit too hard. Moen's books, for all the newbies might be here, starts out with him asking these questions: what am I, and who am I, I guess we could throw in why am I just to keep it interesting. love, alysia

Hello,

Some of us here learned to start with imaging and then seek out the facts. Some of us came from where facts are first; can they see the total without involving imaging?
Is there a place here for metaphor?*
;)Then once it gets it's foot in the door
could we take it just a further step more?

To me, setting my Intent (engaging my Will )  is just like magnetizing.
I turn my attention to the subject at hand, just like the nail filings being magnetized turn toward the magnet. My point is I become very focused as though a magnet were pulling me; I am drawn to the subject, I disregard other forces. My will seems to be the biological equivalent of becoming magnetically atuned to the subject.

The love= electrcity---that's been metaphored numerous times.  Their similarities become more than metaphor when your heart receives a jolt of electric shock when you see your beloved.  Or a spark of electricity escapes when you touch fingertips ( ;) :) A layer of baby oil helps.)

So when I recently read of a grid layer of reality being made of lines of Love and Will (i.e. electricity and magnetism) I thought 'Why not?' And when the grid is clear of obstacles, powerful Love and Will work together and create PUL. Electro-magnetism. At least metaphorically.

bets

* Or similies.

sounds plausible to me Bets considering words shortchange the whole experience, I guess thats because we all agree can't share an emotional experience which can become sacred to us, the PUL experience does elevate us higher than C1.

heres a metaphor what happend the other night. and Im just like anybody else. theres probably mobs of folks having these experiences and then just forget about them in the normal course of living within physical areas.

its like I set my intention to be moving in a direction away from the intense studies I've undertaken as an astral flyer.
this concerns another flyer I've not met in physical.

sometimes one becomes unnerved to be surfing too much. needed to get grounded.
so that was my intention, my will setting.

instead of pulling in what my intention was, to "break up" I got the opposite experience. and yet I know I'm somehow responsible for whatever happens.
I'm not complaining what happened mind you, I'm in awe.

its like I pulled my vehicle into a love gas station and got fueled up  ::) we held hands out there and all my anxieties disappeared. I was still fueling up, lol, sorry for the poor analogy, but you know I'm having a problem with this. I was ;D getting charged up and raised up to say something, said it, then since my tank wasn't full I guess  :-? I fell back to the symbolic pillow in ecstasy of course, it was unconditional love energy.

the reason I likened it to a vehicle, is I see the human body as a vehicle for either high or low thought energy. not sure why, but the experience, which took away the anxiety of this type of explorative endeavor, gave the body so much charge in C1, that it also acted to ground me into physical reality, when I thought I had been going off the deep end.

after all, theres just not enough of us doing this stuff, so that we know we're not normal, we're like hybrids and it gets upsetting without PUL to help us. and it helps to share here what we can. love, alysia

OK - PUL or electricity or whatever.

Anyway, love doesn't get weaker as we get farther away, as does gravity - it just is, and it continues to be.

As for E-M, I can suggest an alternative that is neither, yet which appears to have similar qualities, and which seems to be in some sort of resonance with E-M. (This is a spinoff from Kaluza's model connecting gravity and E-M.)

In any case, the description is only a metaphor for the experience, and thus always loses a bit in translation. But as they say, "1, 2, 3, what is a meta-4?"

d

Dave said: (This is a spinoff from Kaluza's model connecting gravity and E-M.)

can u give me a brief run down Kaluza's model? I never heard of him. :)

I realize in order to explain somebodys work might take a book, so I understand if you want to skip the question, just curious here.

regarding magnetic energy. PUL is expansive energy; expands perceptions. I agree PUL does not get weaker the further away we get from it as does gravity. perhaps because gravity is only noticed in ELS. perceived I should say. mother earth has to have some way of grounding and peopling Earth station.

I enjoy obes, astral flights precisely because the first thing I notice upon becoming lucid that I am out there, is the lack of gravity, the flowing nature of movement in this other body form and the ability to leap high or fly, due to no gravity. putting ones hand thru walls is another lucid trigger.

when I did laying on of hands, some folks, in order to explain what was happening, they would say that the heat was magnetic resonance or energy. this seemed to satisfy our desire for explanation for awhile, however, magnetic force, whatever u want to call it, zapped by god, lol, to illustrate it as such still does nothing to explain what happens during a healing, and the feelings of both healee and healer who share a moment of being transported to, well, a lack of boundary between them, where we have only PUL as an explanation. yet to say love is god, this generates distaste these days, yet if you lack left brain intellect, scientific explanation, or even logical words, none will have faith, nor trust, in the free healing thats there to accept.

so I'm reluntant to call it a tidy package of magnetic resonance as then it implies that I am in possession of this as a power, and of course, joining with another has nothing to do with one saying I can do this thing, and you can't. joining with another energy field u have to ask permission first of their higher self, then the energy comes into them through the healers hands according to what size cup they hold up to spirit.
maybe man has a need to always be in pursuit of a mystery? for if we knew everything at all moments of the day, what in the world would we be doing experimenting on ELS?
therefore it must be a classroom, even if the higher self knows everything there is to know and is perfected already in perfect love.

my explanation is wholly unscientific and it bugs me that I can't hold an intelligent conversation with the minister of the religious science church. but its funny too!
what I say in my mind before a healing...I think of PUL. a spirit descends and is well pleased in this man or woman before me. like they were sacred and so it is. then I feel their yearning for wholeness because I too have the same yearning for wholeness, then theres more power for spirit to work with. placing the hands near the top of the head u start to get a buzz already as the aura extends outwards, an energy field. then u say use me to spirit, I'll get my head out of the way. then actually touching the top of the head you use imagination to help the flow.

they have some healers forums out on the web where they all get together to discuss what they don't understand. If this caught on in the general public, the hospitals would go out of business. see, I'm always jumping too far ahead.

love to you all, try healing a simple headache sometimes on another, you just might blow your mind. alysia

Kaluza found that by expressing the nature of reality in four or five dimensions (depends on which version) he was able to twist the description around to get a basic model of gravitation in terms of General Relativity, as well as a description of electricity and magnetism in terms of Maxwell's Equations. The questions raised were whether or not this is "true", since it is a description in math terms as opposed to physical "watch the meter wiggle as I fiddle the framistat" laboratory experience. Out of his work, plus a couple of new assumptions, came a bunch of math descriptions of reality called "string theory". Hawking feels that one description is as good as another, since they're all abstractions, so a model that fits well is all we need. I feel that if and only if the model can be reduced to demonstrable primitives, observable in the laboratory, is a model more than a pretty picture.

A lot of theoretical physics is "armchair science" conducted by sinking back into our waffle bottom recliners and passing wise airs. (A lot of Freudian theory about mental structure was of that sort.) I feel that this is incomplete, and that a laboratory verification of each of the terms of a model is necessary, or it is just another abstraction. (This is why much of Freud's work was later replaced by more careful laboratory experimentation in behavior.)

Now, to add a tad - In my efforts to locate related stuff I have encountered at least one condition in which there seems to be an energetic field that is not visible to others who are not "looking in the right place", that causes events very similar to electro-magnetic phenomena, but seems to have an existence wholly separate from E-M. One problem is to develop a way to put a meter into this field, so I can measure something. This may be the "raise your hackles" energetic field. I haven't found anything measurable as yet, except sensation. I can suggest a 7-space resonance that might be involved, but that's just another speculation at present.

dave

thanks Dave, sounds like Einstein stuff :) a former mentor of mine, Thelma Moss, used to take pictures of the human aura, etc, everything has a field photographical. Thelma is probably deceased now, but I googled her recently. Kirlian photography they called it.

probably has nothing to do with what you mentioned. interestingly, Thelma had some wild ideas, she said a person who works with the numbers area, is an equally highly evolved being alongside our religious leaders, for example. I am not into measuring things, except that the world makes me do this. :) my birthdate for example is a measurement I prefer not to discuss. ever. :D

thanks for your response. I enjoy it. love, alysia

The best wine is found in dusty bottles.

PUL
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Dave said:
'I have encountered at least one condition in which there seems to be an energetic field that is not visible to others.'

Does this type of energy have a name yet?

Bets

Not yet. Worse, I can't readily demonstrate it to others yet. The best I can do is to say that it is a repeatable observation. I'll have to see how many others sense it before I can do much more with it.  It may be that I'm totally full of hot air in this regard. - Time to go ballooning. :-)

Without going into the morality or wisdom of the thing (I don't claim to be intelligent or especially streetwise) you can get a good idea of what I'm looking at by poking up www.erowid.org and going to the section where people have recorded experiences using Salvia Divinorum. Look for references to the "membrane".  The other reports that are there suggest the kind of craziness that accompanies placing the mind in such a state, as well as the pain of the experience when it misfires. I scared the unholy hell out of myself with this stuff one day and gt an experience of being stuck in a world of jumbled event frames, like seeing myself as a character in a cartoon, except that the cartoon was on a strip of 3-D film that went forwards and backwards.

The aspects that intrigued me are that the experiences are repeatable for many unrelated observers, but appear to be "energetic projections" of some state which arises from perfectly normal causes. The value of drugs in locating this kind of thing is simply that they limit normal processes and leave whatever remains. Often it's worthless noise, but when it is repeatable over a large number of observers, there is definitely something going on.

The only thing I'll say to excuse my flagrant abuse of my body is that Edgar Cayce started this way - multiple doses of morphine and strychnine given without his knowledge by well-meaning physicians, that put him into the hyperspace in which he was able to do his thing.

Unless you are both foolish and masochistic, I advise that you study this phenomenon only by the reports of others. Given that, I'll keep you informed if I discover anything useful. Or, if I abru[tly stop posting, you'll know that I've followed my interests into hyperspace. Whoopee - we're all gonna die! (or something)  :-/

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that sounds frightening Dave. glad u made it back from that experience.
I dropped acid when I was a hippy a few times, frankly, I couldn't handle it as well as my collegues so gave it up rather fast but I still got some ideas from doing it, which benefited me.
I read that brain scientists can touch different parts of the brain to induce paranormal experiences, but then again, I would rather no one touch my brain nor any other organ I may possess :)