Hello,

Can anyone please tell me what happens to a soul once a person commits suicide? Do they receive some sort of punishment? Are they excluded from their loved ones? Do they reincarnate immediatly with the same set of circumstances? Are all of the lessons they learned prior to committing suicide ommited from the souls' memory and do they have to start from scratch? Are they earth bound until their  original preordained earth life was supposed to end? Are there special circumstances? Sorry about all of the questions. I would appreciate feedback because I have heard all of these ideas are a possibility.

Miss_Recovery

Miss Recovery:

After considering the various viewpoints, the understanding I have is that what happens has nothing to do with punishment. It is more of a matter of a Soul not accomplishing what it set out to do. Whatever a Soul does next, is a matter of what a Soul decides to do.

There are varying viewpoints about reincarnation.  If Souls do reincarnate, the sources of information that make the most sense state that a Soul is never forced to reincarnate. It is up to a Soul to decide how it evolves. There are many Souls that never physically incarnate.

If you research this matter you'll find contradictory viewpoints. When wondering why, it is important to understand that World of spirit has a difficult situation to deal with when it communicates with people in the physical. We have various belief systems and varying needs.  Plus the spirit World things long term, while we tend to thing short term. Therefore, answers are provided according to specific needs, with overall considerations factored in.

Whatever the case, if you're concerned about a loved one who commited suicide, have faith that things are being taken care of. The World of spirit is much more organized than the physical World, and there are spirits who look out for our welfare.

 

I'm the same opinion as Recoverer, but only one comment:

Quote Recoverer: "It is more of a matter of a Soul not accomplishing what it set out to do. "
It may be, in some cases that suicide is one "legal" exit point of one's life, when it's part of the plan, so to say, to have this courage to do this to get out of a situation which only provides suffering and wouldn't add anything to spiritual growth. Whether that is so, everyone must check carefully, and surely is difficult.

I had a look at what seems to me to be a previous life, where I committed suicide, and then, in meditation, met the woman who was my wife at that time, she said there is no judgement, but I had to know how sad my family was about this. This was a very sad thing to see.

So, the judgement seems to take place within everyone, when facing the own deeds. Though judgement isn't the right term, it's about to realise what has happened. Some then will judge themselves and feel guilty, some will notice it all to learn and have benefit from it. Those feeling guilty may have a tough job to do to free themselves from the self imposed guilt; but I have gotten help, so others will get too.

Spooky

spooky2 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2007 at 5:19pm:

I'm the same opinion as Recoverer, but only one comment: Quote Recoverer: "It is more of a matter of a Soul not accomplishing what it set out to do. " It may be, in some cases that suicide is one "legal" exit point of one's life, when it's part of the plan, so to say, to have this courage to do this to get out of a situation which only provides suffering and wouldn't add anything to spiritual growth. Whether that is so, everyone must check carefully, and surely is difficult. I had a look at what seems to me to be a previous life, where I committed suicide, and then, in meditation, met the woman who was my wife at that time, she said there is no judgement, but I had to know how sad my family was about this. This was a very sad thing to see. So, the judgement seems to take place within everyone, when facing the own deeds. Though judgement isn't the right term, it's about to realise what has happened. Some then will judge themselves and feel guilty, some will notice it all to learn and have benefit from it. Those feeling guilty may have a tough job to do to free themselves from the self imposed guilt; but I have gotten help, so others will get too. Spooky

I second that and great post man..  It pretty much depends on the type of person someone is... If, they like to blame, judge, or self condemn or self loathe themselves they pretty much just struggle in the spirit world.. Man punishes himself.. The God I believe in doesn't punish people..  The struggling ends once they quit the blame game and own up to their mistake and learn to move on and forgive themselves..  There is no hell.. All individuals go to heaven. All individuals go to heaven. It's just that the degree to which they experience heaven is the degree of their conscious acceptance of their oneness with God.

peace

I wish I knew the definitive answer to this, too, as I've had some close people in my life choose this way out. If I recall correctly, Monroe talks in his last book about it, without using that term. He says that when a human mind has decided clearly that there is no more light in its life, it will leave this world, by whatever means it has, in spite of popular opinion or cultural taboos, with no censure or punishment from anyone. Maybe spooky's right - it may simply be an individual choice when to exit.

-Chuck-

Here are some points that were raised on neardeath.com:

[color=#00ff00]Some NDEs suggest that committing suicide may be the worse thing anyone can do because it is rejecting God's gift of life which destroys an opportunity for spiritual advancement. Not only that, some experiencers have observed the souls of those who committed suicide existing in an earthbound condition of temporarily being slaves to every consequence of their act of suicide. Such souls have been observed hounding and hovering around living family members and friends trying in vain to seek forgiveness. Some of them have been observed existing in a grayish fog and shuffling around slowly with their heads down. Perhaps these earthbound souls become freed from this condition when their natural destined time for death occurs. Nevertheless, this condition is only temporary. Some experiencers have also observed such souls being helped in the afterlife.

Sandra Rogers' NDE is a good example of what can happen when a person unjustifiably cuts short their life. After she attempted to commit suicide, she was given only two choices by the Being of Light. One choice involved being revived and living out the rest of her days. (This was the choice she chose.) The other choice involved remaining in the light with the condition of having to reincarnate at a future time to re-experience everything that led her to commit suicide in the first place. Sandra's NDE demonstrates that people must overcome their problems in this life or else face them again in a future life. In Sandra's case, committing suicide did not solve anything. If we delay dealing with these problems by committing suicide, we may only compound them. Perhaps the greatest enemy we face is ourselves. Our problems may never go away unless we conquer them. NDEs reveal people carrying their non-physical problems with them after death. Perhaps one of the reasons we are born into this world is to overcome such problems. If we don't overcome them, we may have to reincarnate until we do.

Another interesting NDE resulting from a suicide attempt was that of Angie Fenimore. After committing suicide, Angie found herself in a hellish realm of psychic disconnection and torment. The anguish she experienced within herself in life had manifested itself in the spirit after death. A Being of Light, whom she identified as God, asked her, "Is this what you really want?"

Angie realized that none of the other suicides in this hellish condition were aware of God's presence. God told her, "Don't you know that this is the worst thing you could have done?"

She realized then she had thrown in the towel and because of it, she had cut herself off from God and from his guidance. She felt trapped. She told God, "But my life is so hard."

God's reply was, "You think that was hard? It is nothing compared to what awaits you if you take your life. Life's supposed to be hard. You can't skip over parts. We have all done it. You must earn what you receive."

Angie's NDE gives us a unique insight into unjustifiable suicide. It suggests that one of life's purposes is to grow through suffering. It validates the truthfulness of the phase, "No pain. No gain."This principle is also found in the Bible where it describes how suffering creates character, wisdom, perseverance and strengthening of faith. NDEs reveal the fact that everyone has a destiny to fulfill and a "mission" to complete. Part of this destiny may include suffering for the purpose of learning and growing. It probably also includes learning from past-life mistakes, paying back karmic debts and receiving karmic rewards. The fact that Experiencers are often told their time for death has not yet come, suggests our time of death is predetermined. Suicide can possibly prevent a person's mission from being fulfilled. Sandra Rogers' NDE suggests the remedy for this is reincarnation.[/color]

It appears that there are some consequences for taking ones own life in the afterlife.

Miss Recovery

I'min general agreement with everyone.  In past life regressions I occasionally get a suicide. The basic pattern is essentially one in which bailing out of this life simply dumps them into a state where they can consider things, hopefully  with understanding (this is a matter of how open or closed their minds are) and then they return to an approximation of the place they left off/ The new setting is always different superficially, but the same problems are confronted.

I had one or two reports of wandering about in a cold grey dismal place, all alone along a cloudy path, but that was the most severe reaction I've encountered, and seemed to be a pretty good approximation of the attitude of the person in question.

I suspect that what suicides could use most is assurances that they are lovable, worthy of our caring and respect, and that life will be OK.

dave

My viewpoint about suicide is that as the only "being" to account to for your actions is yourself, you will deside what, if any, consequences you will need to work through for youe actions. When I consiter persons who go the suicide route as they are no longer willing to continue to put their bodies through an immense amount of pain due to cancer or MS, as an example, and choose to put this life behind them, has done no wrong and so will have no consequence.(IE personal hell as that is the only hell there is) I would also think that it would be important for the person killing themself not to purposely inflict suffering upon someone they leave behind.  Note: Although this suffering "could" be apart of the very lession needed to be learned by the person left behind and the reason for them living this lifetime. Who's to judge. It's a lession I learned not so long ago at Gateway. It was about giving and taking and sacrifice.  

I would appreciate hearing more about 'giving and taking and sacrifice.'
Was that just in relation to suicide or as part of the total of life?

So many variables go into such a decision---to hurt others, to end suffering, to avoid others' suffering. Then there are those who knowlingly kill themselves slowly by over-medicating or over-working, etc--are they slow 'suicides'?
It all seems very complicated.   :-?

Love, Bets

It was more  as part of the total life lesson Benson although as suicide has also been part of my life experience, it also relates to it, suicide that is.
The giving and taking and sacrifice was a part of a very important lession told to me by my "All". I will review my notes and post next week. The lession was so large, to me, that I would not wish to miss anything in the post. It was life changing and made "Gateway" the most fulfilling experience of my life to this point. (48 yrs) An experience I will never forget.

I've often wondered about this topic. I don't have much authority to comment on it but I came across this website specifically on suicide and the afterlife.

http://www.pamelaheath.com/suicide.htm

in the end the judgment is in the hands of the person their own self whether they did right or delayed their spiritual soul progress. its so individual, that sometimes it is ok when there is no end to suffering such as from an illness which is progressed too far.

in the case of my stepfather blowing his brains out, he had had part of his leg taken off due to cancer, as well his voice box, so that he was using a contraption to speak with. they said his cancer had come back, when the tests were wrong, yet he went ahead and killed himself. I was the last of his family to see his face as he contemplated what he would do, I read his mind, as he wouldn't speak right then, he wasn't in this world, he was looking into a corner of the room and there was so much love in his eyes it startled me to silence. I don't think we said a word to each other the whole visit. afterwards, after death, he made the rounds of loved ones. specifically he needed to ask forgiveness of my mother for some things he had done, like refuse to move out of her own house and let the bank take it back. she forgave him. nobody is punishing anybody, it's not like that over there, but we establish bonds on this side and if we kill ourselves and cause another to suffer from that, we "owe" them an explanation, simply because of the love bond, which is what lasts forever. love does not die, and neither do we.

I retrieved a suicider once, because his sister asked me to, he showed me the entire fllip he did thru the air from off his motorcycle; he said he enjoyed it. I was hard pressed to explain him to his suffering sister! unfortunately, it is often the case with relatives that they take on themselves the blame for family members going out this way. that is where the karma lies, that they are bound to be employed to somehow disengage the suffering they did bring to the living by explaining why they did it, and in this way society begins to realize there truly is no death. but we aren't there yet.  I saw him attending a "world" school to alleviate tensions in Iraq, as well he made frequent visits to his still living mother, father, and sister and would use the usual tricks to get their attention, butterflies in weird places, small signs and however he could communicate he was well on the  other side.

my husband knew he was drinking himself to death and so did I. once he got on the other side he had no guilt whatsoever. I even went obe and expected an apology which I did not get! he was glad to be on the other side, it was some work I had to do to release him, but no there was nobody but me blaming him. I got over it, but he had to come back several times to help me get over the suffering part, he had a guide with him. sometimes they really don't understand when a family member suffers that they left or they don't understand how hard it is to go on when you lose that person's physical presence in the world.
what happened once he died, he simply got himself a place, probably built it himself through his mind, then he continued life as usual. I cannot honestly say whether he was still addicted to booze but hear this happens. In another obe, two fellows, guides, popped up in this obe to encourage a new project for him and thats the last I heard, that it would cause his character to blossom out. he never worked on himself while he was here. I was very happy and excited for him. he wasn't religious, so naturally there would be no symbols of religious characters around him.

I think there are some who chicken out. this just my viewpoint. then there might be some this is their first life, and it is just too hard to adjust to harsh reality here.
Some, their higher self decides to yank them out as their on the wrong path maybe.
Others came to defeat an illness and instead the illness defeated them so they end it.
Some plan it to exit early. Then they come back and like this fellow Michael, they get their mom to write a channelled book telling what its like on the other side. theres always friendly advisors on the other side, guides, more enlightened beings circulating the areas, but theres not court system or condemnation, but a sort of delay of the holding of your graduation day from Earth.

love, alysia

LaffingRain wrote on Jun 15^th, 2007 at 10:54pm:

in the end the judgment is in the hands of the person their own self whether they did right or delayed their spiritual soul progress. its so individual, that sometimes it is ok when there is no end to suffering such as from an illness which is progressed too far. in the case of my stepfather blowing his brains out, he had had part of his leg taken off due to cancer, as well his voice box, so that he was using a contraption to speak with. they said his cancer had come back, when the tests were wrong, yet he went ahead and killed himself. I was the last of his family to see his face as he contemplated what he would do, I read his mind, as he wouldn't speak right then, he wasn't in this world, he was looking into a corner of the room and there was so much love in his eyes it startled me to silence. I don't think we said a word to each other the whole visit. afterwards, after death, he made the rounds of loved ones. specifically he needed to ask forgiveness of my mother for some things he had done, like refuse to move out of her own house and let the bank take it back. she forgave him. nobody is punishing anybody, it's not like that over there, but we establish bonds on this side and if we kill ourselves and cause another to suffer from that, we "owe" them an explanation, simply because of the love bond, which is what lasts forever. love does not die, and neither do we. I retrieved a suicider once, because his sister asked me to, he showed me the entire fllip he did thru the air from off his motorcycle; he said he enjoyed it. I was hard pressed to explain him to his suffering sister! unfortunately, it is often the case with relatives that they take on themselves the blame for family members going out this way. that is where the karma lies, that they are bound to be employed to somehow disengage the suffering they did bring to the living by explaining why they did it, and in this way society begins to realize there truly is no death. but we aren't there yet.  I saw him attending a "world" school to alleviate tensions in Iraq, as well he made frequent visits to his still living mother, father, and sister and would use the usual tricks to get their attention, butterflies in weird places, small signs and however he could communicate he was well on the  other side. my husband knew he was drinking himself to death and so did I. once he got on the other side he had no guilt whatsoever. I even went obe and expected an apology which I did not get! he was glad to be on the other side, it was some work I had to do to release him, but no there was nobody but me blaming him. I got over it, but he had to come back several times to help me get over the suffering part, he had a guide with him. sometimes they really don't understand when a family member suffers that they left or they don't understand how hard it is to go on when you lose that person's physical presence in the world. what happened once he died, he simply got himself a place, probably built it himself through his mind, then he continued life as usual. I cannot honestly say whether he was still addicted to booze but hear this happens. In another obe, two fellows, guides, popped up in this obe to encourage a new project for him and thats the last I heard, that it would cause his character to blossom out. he never worked on himself while he was here. I was very happy and excited for him. he wasn't religious, so naturally there would be no symbols of religious characters around him. I think there are some who chicken out. this just my viewpoint. then there might be some this is their first life, and it is just too hard to adjust to harsh reality here. Some, their higher self decides to yank them out as their on the wrong path maybe. Others came to defeat an illness and instead the illness defeated them so they end it. Some plan it to exit early. Then they come back and like this fellow Michael, they get their mom to write a channelled book telling what its like on the other side. theres always friendly advisors on the other side, guides, more enlightened beings circulating the areas, but theres not court system or condemnation, but a sort of delay of the holding of your graduation day from Earth. love, alysia

Great post and I agree with you wholeheartedly!!! :)

peace

I will admit that I have contemplated suicide a few times in my life before but something deep inside stopped me every time. I think it was knowing what it would do to my family as well as the inner optimism that things would eventually get better. They did and every day I am thankful I decided to press on. This is what I tell friends of mine when they tell me they are contemplating suicide. And I agree wholeheartedly with what everyone has said so far

glad that you're still with us Muzak. I guess some of us can get so far down, down looks like up and they just keep going.  I attempted suicide at 14 but thankfully it failed. it was a combo of aspirin and sleeping pills. hope my liver is ok after that!

this other time in my 40's I was thinking about it and started panicking. called out for a helper as I already knew about helpers circulating around. finally a male helper came in and said "what the hell are you doing?" :-?  well, he didn't say hell, but he said it like he was so irked with me, for good reason, I was conjuring up my own demons as usual. I needed reminder I was experimenting with creative mind stuff because I was depressed and bored at that time with life. it was shortly after that period I moved onto a path which depression and boredom were out of the question.

thank god for those surfing helpers..they must get a little tired of saving people who are doing it to themselves..

I'm only young but I've had some difficult times. I'm not socially adventurous and not career saavy. I also have difficulty in relationships and friendships because of my unusual 'ways'. I like to think that life wasn't meant to be easy, its a challenge and I've incarnated to experience something unique in C1. From the chanelled information I've read and heard about, I don't think taking my own life would've helped my situation. I would just have wasted an opportunity of experience. If you believe the chaneled information, apparently a common reaction is one of regret and a deep realisation of not being able to reverse the situation.

I've recently purchased Bruce's afterlife knowledge cd's. I'm only starting on it but I would suggest to anyone contemplating suicide, 'You don't have to be in such a hurry to go there just yet, here is a way you can make visits'  ;)

quote: 'You don't have to be in such a hurry to go there just yet, here is a way you can make visits'   [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

laffingrain, your comments were right on the money as far as I am concerned.
(June 15/8:54PM)

thanks for the comment Hawkeye :)

I'm not so sure, your judged by yourself, theres so many variables through the higher planes its impossable to fully understand.

But I think from what I have experienced and thats plenty, theres not one soul here who has the answers, God knows I dont even have the answers, theres just to many variables.

But I do know there are indeed overseers, and they have the ultimate power, they through there knowledge control, the tests that are set for each of us, and its they who decide when you have passed your tests. Each incarnation is a gift! and again from what I have experienced through the higher planes the gift is not to be taken lightly.They the overseers are some tough teachers, and they want the test completed with a star attached.

spooky2 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2007 at 5:19pm:

I'm the same opinion as Recoverer, but only one comment: Quote Recoverer: "It is more of a matter of a Soul not accomplishing what it set out to do. " It may be, in some cases that suicide is one "legal" exit point of one's life, when it's part of the plan, so to say, to have this courage to do this to get out of a situation which only provides suffering and wouldn't add anything to spiritual growth. Whether that is so, everyone must check carefully, and surely is difficult. I had a look at what seems to me to be a previous life, where I committed suicide, and then, in meditation, met the woman who was my wife at that time, she said there is no judgement, but I had to know how sad my family was about this. This was a very sad thing to see. So, the judgement seems to take place within everyone, when facing the own deeds. Though judgement isn't the right term, it's about to realise what has happened. Some then will judge themselves and feel guilty, some will notice it all to learn and have benefit from it. Those feeling guilty may have a tough job to do to free themselves from the self imposed guilt; but I have gotten help, so others will get too. Spooky

Spooky you should change your name....it doesn't become you...Find a name for the site that is in keeping with your enlightenment.Names have power so empower yourself with a name that calls you forward and ever upwards.
Love David9

Very good, David9,

Ditto, spooky!

Bets

Hey, wait a minute, I like the name Spooky --- I think it's cute! I always think of Casper the Friendly Ghost, the cartoon I saw as a kid.

This ghost was so cute, white and puffy, like a cloud, but much much cuter.

Okay, well, there's my attempt at intellectual achievement today.

This is much more funner.....:)

blink

Interesting suggestion and statement about names David9.
Maybe someone starts a poll about if I should do it?   :D
But with a new name, someone wouldn't find me then using my old name. It's a bit like changing an e-mail address.
I came across Casper the friendly ghost (well, in cartoons) in my youth; I don't know why, but I didn't like the cartoons. Maybe Casper was too...friendly for my taste back then... Well, "Blink" for sure is a top name; blink on, Blink!
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Miss Recovery quoted:
"Not only that, some experiencers have observed the souls of those who committed suicide existing in an earthbound condition of temporarily being slaves to every consequence of their act of suicide. Such souls have been observed hounding and hovering around living family members and friends trying in vain to seek forgiveness. Some of them have been observed existing in a grayish fog and shuffling around slowly with their heads down."

There is one detail in my previous life story which I haven't told, which I was reminded of when reading the above:
When I/then commited suicide by jumping off a cliff, while falling my consciousness separated from the falling body and I/then immediately went to my family, but of course they couldn't perceive me, and I deeply regretted what I had done only some seconds before.

Spooky (yet)

its the worst feeling to talk to someone and they don't answer back because they don't recognize you. its like wasting your breath and time and feeling like a big nobody, which you are, but just to them.
I had the same feeling Spooky when I had my NDE, only I hadn't committed suicide then, I just wanted to know what it was like to be dead and not know it. it sucks! :) but it helped to become a better retriever for me.

recently I did a retrieval on a suicidee. a guy shot himself who lived alone with a dog. a friend of mine said there were noises in her house; she had been taking care of his dog as well. he was her landlord. as it turned out he was hanging about and worried about the care of his dog in a confused state that he was still alive but no one could see him, so he resorted to making noise where he could. doors and lights, that sort of thing.
I went out to see what I could do and called for his mother to come get him. she did and she was upset! it was a little funny to see him talk to her and she to him. he became as a child and she led him off telling him just wait until I get you home young man! one thing I noticed how happy he was that she had found him. it must be lonely out there.

my friend took his dog in and became attached to it.

hey im very sorry if i bring up any topics that have already been discussed but i would like to let you know about my experience of suicide and if ou could help me to understand a few things.

first i would like to tell you all about it.

on december the 14th 2006 i recieved a call at work that a close friend of mine had commited suicide the previous day. he was just 18. he had shot himself in the head. at first a sense of disbelief took over. i didnt want to believe it. i told myself it was a joke. however it had been another friend who had told me that i would trust with my life.

all my friends met. we had no understanding of why he would have killed himself. apparently he was in a car crash earlier in the day. the thing is i dont believe this would be the reason. he was such a loved person. he was aguitarist in aband that were getting places. he was a great guy that got on with everyone. i cant believe that just this would thow all his judgement out the window. i was told from someone that they guy in the other car went over to get details and callum was already crying. now i dont know why but i cant help but feel like he was before the accident. i dont think that was the cause. anyway. he arrived home and went to the garage and sent his fairwells. texts to close friends. a long conversation with his girlfriend. a short note of apology to his parents.

police report that at around 4pm on december 13th 2006 he shot himself in the head with a shotgun.

obviously all friends and family were devestated.

this is where it gets interesting.

we all started getting dreams. we were sitting in the pub when one person recited a dream. in shock someone replied i had the same dream as did someone else. in the weeks to come many of us had dreams about callum that felt so real. it was as if he wanted to tell us things he hadn't the chance to before he left us.

alot of peoples dreams were very personal. alot containing converstaions with him that were very personal.

one friend told me that it felt so real. as if he was just there talking to him. callum looked perfectly fine. no injuries, his head all in tact. but the thing was they both were talking about his death. before my riend told me wht callum had said about what happens when you die i'd never heard such a discription. it's one of those things that your mind cannot imagine.

he told my friend that he left his physical body and felt a warmth. he then described it being like he 'evaporated' in to the atmosphere. i dont know much more than this as it became increasingly difficult for my friend to talk about.

does anyone know of any reports like that? its the first time id heard it. and for many people having the same dream?

whilst talking i said i justed wanted to know he was ok. a friend chirped up and said hes fine. i asked how she knew. she said he'd told her.

another time my friends, bandmates of callums, were in a car after seeing callums parents. they were talking about him and matt said he just wished he had a sign that he could hear them and communicate with him. as soon as this was said the car swerved, hit a verge and nearly flipped.

its all strange to me. i have no experience of this kind of thing before.

honestly, it scares me a little.

can anyone shed some light on the situation and let me know about the happenings?

please email me. mattrobinsonrock@hotmail.com

thanks

these sorts of experiences are on the rise right now Matt. I'm glad you posted.
more and more we'll be hearing about them.
the veil between the two worlds is getting thinner is my opinion.
actually I do believe Callum does his best to let everyone know he's ok. it would be like his job right now. I know you miss him and wish he hadn't of done it but some questions in life don't get answered right away, at least he got through and you all have your verifications to compare.
if you want, you may start having further conversations with him in dream state or waking reality. I don't know. maybe thats what you want to do. I'd be curious about his reasoning too. love, alysia

thanks for your thoughts on this.

i'd like to add that many people have had alot more experiences of this than me. i worry that i may be forming a kind of barrier between myself and callum as i am afraid of what i might be told wehter consciously or not. i sometimes wonder of my mind is not ready for these kinds of revelations.

[quote author=spooky2 link=1181848997/15#23 date=1182298998]Interesting suggestion and statement about names David9.
Maybe someone starts a poll about if I should do it?   :D
But with a new name, someone wouldn't find me then using my old name. It's a bit like changing an e-mail address.
I came across Casper the friendly ghost (well, in cartoons) in my youth; I don't know why, but I didn't like the cartoons. Maybe Casper was too...friendly for my taste back then... Well, "Blink" for sure is a top name; blink on, Blink!
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You are so right, Spooky! I can't get that ghost out of my mind now....It's been how long since that post?

Yes, Casper was annoying and I can't remember exactly why either....maybe he was a little....sanctimonious or something like that.

Perhaps he went around telling people what to do....

He's been haunting me ever since I dredged him back up into my "reality" and so I have to say to everyone be careful what you bring up as we finish up this retrograde cycle!

love, blink :)

well little boys are obnoxious, so is Casper. I remember how he couldn't find any friends :'( seemed to be a running theme, seems also very metaphysical that casper was one of the stuck souls of the astral, lots of children live in astral unless retrieved.

I don't know why, Alysia, but I feel better now! As if I had some new understanding of an obscure subject which I didn't even know "haunted" me.... :)

Yes, I suppose if someone were to have gone in and retrieved Casper there would be an entirely different plot to that story! Maybe we would have all liked it a lot better!

ha ha, blink

wrote on Jul 4^th, 2007 at 8:16am:

I don't know why, Alysia, but I feel better now! As if I had some new understanding of an obscure subject which I didn't even know "haunted" me.... :) Yes, I suppose if someone were to have gone in and retrieved Casper there would be an entirely different plot to that story! Maybe we would have all liked it a lot better! ha ha, blink

I agree this is humorous. that cartoon is so old. u know, once in awhile he found someone who could "see" him. that was cool. :)

this is just my personal opinion - i think the term "suicide" is much more murky than people think.  as mentioned, what about "slow suicides?"  let's say someone dies from obesity because they didn't want to diet and exercise - is that suicide?  is everyone who smokes committing suicide?  heavy drinkers?  surely drug addicts who OD have commited suicide??  it never ends.  what about someone who drives too fast and gets in a wreck?  someone who chose to live in new orleans and got killed in the hurricane?  someone who flew in bad weather conditions?  someone who drinks dangerous tap water instead of healthy bottled water?  and surely the person who OD's and lives is as guilty as the person who OD's and dies.  surely the person who tries to commit suicide and fails is as guilty as the person who succeeds.

it seems to me a lot of the judgment and anger about suicide is just from sadness that people don't like it when people leave.  they don't want their loved ones leaving this world - they want them here with them.  i won't go so far as to call it "selfish," but maybe it is in a sense.  the fact is we can't know what someone else is going through.  some people commit suicide for selfish or hasty reasons.  some do it for medical reasons.  some have suffered depression their entire life and their life is a living hell.  if i had to go through what some people have, i'd kill myself in a heartbeat.  

also, if everyone in heaven chooses to live a life knowing they're going to die, isn't that suicide???  i see every life as a "suicide."  even jesus commited suicide!  and if you're going to die ANYWAY, what's the big deal about checking out a little early?  especially if you can reincarnate later and learn those lessons some other time?  

i'm not advocating that everyone go out and kill themselves - but just like sometimes it is OK to kill someone in a war and sometimes it's bad to kill someone, i think sometimes suicide is OK and sometimes it's wrong.  i think it should be a personal decision.  i don't really care for all the fear surrounding it.  everyone wants to be arrogant and place judgment on people who do it - calling them cowards.  but they didn't live in that person's shoes, so how the hell could they know what led to that decision?

one last thing - how could someone be pro-abortion but anti-suicide?  how could it be right to deny a baby life, but wrong to deny your own life?

the_seeker wrote on Jul 15^th, 2007 at 7:40pm:

this is just my personal opinion - i think the term "suicide" is much more murky than people think.... (portion of quote deleted) ...one last thing - how could someone be pro-abortion but anti-suicide?  how could it be right to deny a baby life, but wrong to deny your own life?

Hi Seeker,

I agree with much of what you have said. I believe I am "qualified" to speak to your last question.

First of all, find me a person who is "pro" abortion. I don't believe you will.

I don't believe there are circumstances in which killing is right...ever. It is not the "highest" good, in my opinion. Great spiritual teachers emphasize mercy, in all situations.

However, that being said, those who "appear" to be "pro" abortion are often simply ignorant or afraid. And there are circumstances in which there appears to be no better alternative. Suicide is the same, no matter what the "cause," in my opinion.

When I say "ignorant" I do not mean it as an insult. Ignorance, from what I am presently studying, is simply part of the human condition. When we realize that all people do the best they can, from where they are, and when we are able to keep this thought in our minds, we find that tolerance is the only answer.

It strengthens our characters to learn tolerance, and it is only possible to learn this by interacting in circumstances that we find difficult. Otherwise, we simply do not understand.

I speak from personal experience when I say that tolerance is a very subtle thing. I am not sure the lesson is ever completely learned, and life becomes unbearable when we do not open our hearts to others. The heart will keep crying out for this tolerance...

No one can give it to us. We must reach inside ourselves to find it.

love, blink :)

yeah i know nobody is "pro-abortion" ..  but if someone supports the choice abortion under certain circumstances, surely they would support the right of  suicide under certain circumstance

Hi seeker. suicide is just a delay in the curriculum the higher self set up for a life. things look different on the other side..we often can't see our way out of a tough problem on this side where it becomes starkly evident what another possible choice would have been.
sometimes I agree it may be the higher self's decision to withdraw and little if any guilt or suffering may be encountered. we left alive, we don't have all the facts, not even family members may have all the facts; we just know about the grieving part.
I am pro death, rather than pro suffering and pro choice I mean it's the woman's choice, and her choice should never be coerced upon her as long as she has lengthy counsel and equally lengthy soul searching . I know for a fact if abortion were illegal butchers would spring up again and even more deaths would occur in that case. my own mother went under the knife of a butcher and had an NDE. No counsel was available in those days and u can be none would be offered if the option was withheld by law. I do not see a soul inhabiting a fetus in the earlliest stages. (opinion) its presumptious for society to say whats good for the goose is good for the gander. next they'll be giving lobotomies to criminals and cutting off the hands of the thief or saying that a gun can walk up and kill someone on its own therefore ban guns. personally I think dum dum bullets should be employed until we advance past the need for weapons..we are living in the most primitive of times, my opinion.

it appears my hubby had chosen a slow suicide when I caught up to him later. it had nothing to do with how much he loved me and the kids. he was obliged by guides to come and straighten it out with me; there's some kind of rules set up they have to make amends to those who are suffering for them.


it can be seen to be selfish to grieve but until you've lost someone you love, you cannot say to one who mourns you are being selfish; it only makes them feel worse because they already suspect it's their own fault the person up and left.
thats why Mike had to show me it wasn't my fault he left, thats like karma he created.

the future will be different but right now we for the most part believe that life is worth living, I do too, but I couldn't convince a wonderful man that it was and so he split. some people are freezing their bodies even, I think that's going a little too far!
All decisions are ultimately left to the individual, and to experience the consequences of their own decisions. choice is all we have which is free will. not the moral majority rule. its between you and god and its nobodys business but your own..and gods.