Greetings,

Several hours ago I had a strange experience that isn't really 'after'-life, but might be preparation for it.  ( :) Isn't everything?) Perhaps I should wait and try to digest it better, but then I might forget something, so here it is---

I was reading and may have dozed off. But I heard Guidance ask if I was ready and we took off with an upward sensation. When we slowed and stopped, someone said "Hello, bets, do you have your ----" (?). Guidance answered for me yes, and immediately a process began. I asked if I was in a hospital and Guidance said not quite that. Everywhere I felt a gentle flow outward and then after that a layer by layer flow inward. I asked if they were fixing my etheric body and the 'technician' said it was called the astral body. The process seemed to involve a grid rather than layers, and the grid was being injected with a gas or liquid.

Once I moved my C-1 feet and was warned not to move. I had to put them back exactly as they had been because I seemed to be losing energy through them in the changed position. I asked if this process would cure headaches, etc but they said no, the process did not directly alter the physical, the position of the linear grid would not be altered, just its substance.

An unusual aspect of this for me was that the voices were voices now, not just mental telepathy, and they were friendly sounding! Most of my life they were sarcastic, more recently they've been demanding, but now they were cordial. I like that change ! No images yet, just light still. I would have guessed twenty minutes had passed but the clock said over two hours.

Moving in C1 now feels smoother and maybe my sense of humor has improved. Other than those changes I'm not sure what this has done but I appreciate it.  :)
It doesn't really 'fit' with other experiences I've had, but I guess these things happen.

Bets

cool Bets! I can relate. looks like adjustments being made on the astral will effect the physical beneficially. ever hear of psychic surgery?

same principle. the astral is a viable body of life properties the same as the physical. one effects the other.
coincidentally, another poster has a similar experience. at the same time as yours, or in the same day you posted.

glad the guides are behaving themselves. they can act like knaves and rogues sometimes. love, alysia

Thanks, Alysia,   :)

The benefits are still showing up!
Yes, I've heard of psychic surgery but I thought I'd have to cruise over to the Phillipines to get it!
Interesting coincidence with the timing of shelbert's and my adjustments.  Do you suppose there's an astrological window of opprtunity that our guides use to time our trips?  I'll have to find out if shelbert lives near the US east coast.

bets

Wow Bets, what an experience.  I'd say you're moving in to new areas or getting ready to.  Cordial, voices, smoother, humor:  good things.  Think I'll have a cordial tonight after dinner and I'll be offering you a toast.  Love - Rob

Hi bets,

I was reading your post and WOW! Pretty amazing stuff! The answer to your question about where I live is US but not on the East Coast. I live in the Midwest. This is really exciting though for me. I am finding alot of new things about myself and life. Interesting stuff I am learning just from reading this board and doing some search on the internet. I really want to get Bruce's books too. I am hoping they will help me go forward more. Thanks so much for your posts!  :)

shelbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2007 at 11:06am:

Hi bets, I was reading your post and WOW! Pretty amazing stuff! The answer to your question about where I live is US but not on the East Coast. I live in the Midwest. This is really exciting though for me. I am finding alot of new things about myself and life. Interesting stuff I am learning just from reading this board and doing some search on the internet. I really want to get Bruce's books too. I am hoping they will help me go forward more. Thanks so much for your posts!  :)

Hi, you mentioned Bruce's books and I just purchased another set, used, from Amazon books extremely reasonably priced. they used to want us to use Barnes and Noble to purchase books here, as some monetary benefit for this board's upkeep, but when I just clicked on Barnes/Noble here at page bottom, it said, this merchant no longer participates, so maybe you can go to Amazon then.

glad you like to read here! love, alysia

betson wrote on May 22^nd, 2007 at 10:16am:

Thanks, Alysia,   :) The benefits are still showing up! Yes, I've heard of psychic surgery but I thought I'd have to cruise over to the Phillipines to get it! Interesting coincidence with the timing of shelbert's and my adjustments.  Do you suppose there's an astrological window of opprtunity that our guides use to time our trips?  I'll have to find out if shelbert lives near the US east coast. bets

hey! we don't have to go to the Phillipines! lol. I was wondering the same thing about the astrological window time thing so we're thinking the same. I noticed about 6 people, here and the other board had similar experiences around the same time as you, including moi!

I also think we must have been inviting help before we get it. even if sometimes we unconsciously invite assistance. in my case I usually get stressed about something before I set an intention to get help.
I get ichy feet then something happens. well, that explains nothing! lol. there does seem to be a pattern of free will action to growth patterns though. dis-satisfaction or excitable curiosity usually plunges me into some area where I've never gone before.

love, alysia

Interesting Bets! It's like something of nonphysical (healing-) "technology". Here and there we read about experiences of this "technology", but it's still puzzlepieces, it's a foreign complex thing it seems.  Good that it works fine with you!

Yesterday and the day before, I was feeling bad, I was ill, and I felt strongly recommended by myself or my guidance to visit "the doctor", nonphysically. I just should imagine to be in a normal doctor's office. I did it two times, I remember someone in a white coat, talked a bit, then I fell asleep. Now I feel good.

Spooky

Thanks Alysia for the info about the books. I will check that out!  :)

This is a little scary to be worked on this way. Makes you wonder who is
in charge and what the plan is, and do you have confidence in whoever
it is?

I assume you in some way volunteered for this somewhere along the
line. Or had some kind of relationship with whoever this is?

My attitude tends to be that I am in charge,  and I want them to do what
I direct. I am not sure about whether I have the right attitude, in saying
this. Maybe my attitude is a problem. I wonder who I should cooperate
with in what way, or what I may need to agree to.  Are they going to set
conditions and requirements, before they will do something? Like, did
you bring your....?

Hi Bets-
A few years ago a friend sent me a newspaper article about "Diviner's Mint" (Salvia Divinorum). Being suitably curious, I obtained a sprout, and soon had a sort of weedy vine trying to climb up and take over my living room wall. It's not especially unique. I plucked a couple leaves that had dried on the vine, stuffed them into my pipe and applied heat. Maybe not such a good idea!

The first thing I noticed was that it seemed that everything had grown teeth, carpet, walls, floor etc and was interested in shredding me. I was in a different kind of space.

Then the part that connects to your remarks, I noticed a very large square grid, perhaps two foot squares that seemed to be passing down over me. The sizes of the grid squares decreased, and by the time that they got to be very small, I felt as if I was being ripped apart by thousands of tiny needle points.  

The entire room had taken on a sense of electrical fields, and above me and curving over me was a "sheet" of energy through which I could not pass - it moved along with me, like a layer of time that was stuck on the moment of experience. As I moved hands etc over the carpet and furniture I could distinctly see it rise, as if attracted by static - but my wife (uncertain whether I was having a cardiac infarct or a brain fart) said that she could see nothing - and as the scene faded (about 3 or 4 minutes) so did the perception of the rising and wiggling fibers.

Most of these elements seem to be more or less repeatable with later experiments. The ripping sensation was suppressed by meditation on being calm, solid, stable and immobile. "I am OK, I have done no wrong." The experience of the square grid has been reported by a number of other people, with roughly similar opinions. It seems to be thoroughly unpleasant at best. (And some people use this stuff for fun? Insane. - I do not recommend this to anyone.)

As for using Salvia Divinorum for anything else, I feel that it might have some value in trial by ordeal. That's probably the divinatory method. An unstable personality (like mine) certainly felt it to be an ordeal to be sifted or strained, whichever it was, while all those little pins and needles ripped away at me. Had I felt guilty about stealing Juan Valdez' pig, or whatever, I would not have been able to take a stable and painless posture. Interested people can find more in the Lycaeum or Erowid posts.

dave

Regarding what Boris wrote, I agree it's important to be careful.

I've had all kinds of energetic work. Initially I thought it was just kundalini. When I got to the point where I understood that I could trust the spirit beings I'm in contact with, it became possible to receive more elaborate energetic work.

Regarding calling the shots when it comes to energetic work, I wouldn't have a clue as to how to direct them. Sometimes it's hard to understand what's going on as you go through energetic work.  You just have to trust that because divine guidance has shown to you over and over again that they can be there for you, they are there for you as you go through energetic work.

I believe the World of spirit needs people down here to help out. If nobody opened up to them, the spiritual welfare of the human race might suffer accordingly.

Just make certain that you can trust the spirits you're in contact with. Sometimes this doesn't happen over night.



Boris wrote on May 23^rd, 2007 at 2:45pm:

This is a little scary to be worked on this way. Makes you wonder who is in charge and what the plan is, and do you have confidence in whoever it is? I assume you in some way volunteered for this somewhere along the line. Or had some kind of relationship with whoever this is? My attitude tends to be that I am in charge,  and I want them to do what I direct. I am not sure about whether I have the right attitude, in saying this. Maybe my attitude is a problem. I wonder who I should cooperate with in what way, or what I may need to agree to.  Are they going to set conditions and requirements, before they will do something? Like, did you bring your....?

Thank you for your responses.
I have to think about them awhile.

Bets :-?

Hi Bets-

I'm still intrested in the appearance of the "grid", since that is reported in a large number of cases. I occasionally see a rectangular grids when I meditate, defining the surface of thngs. The usual color seems to be yellow-orange or red, both as I see it and as thers have told me.  Except for the instance I mentioned, there seems to be no sensation at all associated with the appearance of the grid in the present.

I wonder if you have any other associations or times that a grid appears?

dave

Regarding grids, I've shared this before. I'm not certain how it relates.

One time I saw a book in front of me. The pages were turning. Even though the words were clear, they were hard to read. I chose to focus on one word in particular. The book turned into a grid. I started vibrating, astral projected out of the top of my head, and traveled through this green World that had all kinds of structures I didn't understand. This projection was unusual in that I saw what was behind me, rather than in front of me, as if I sitting at the back of a bus. I've seen this green World on one or two other occasions, without the out of body effects. It has been almost two years since I've seen it.

I read a near death experience where a lady saw that all of our higher selves are connected together as a grid. Mellon Thomas Benedict wrote that he saw a higher self matrix surrounding the planet when he had a NDE.

Perhaps we're all connected with some sort of energetic grid.

Recoverer said: "...The book turned into a grid. I started vibrating,
astral projected out of the top of my head, and traveled through
this green World that had all kinds of structures I didn't understand."  

His statement best combines  (I think) several aspects of the grid images--they relate to 1) the astral, 2) the color green (humans' grids are golden-green), ---and 3)
seem to depict prototypes, if I can read into what he said, even prototypes for 'things' yet unknown.

As recoverer said the astral body uses the crown chakra for its exit/entrance.

The only other encounter with grids that I can add to those is that when I use my inner healing hands (ala Caroline Myss and middle Eastern ' All-knowing eye in palm of hand' tradition),  the hands try to disentangle lines within my body where pressure/ or pain is greatest and when they are successful, these lines smooth back out into a grid pattern that supports/defines that area's human anatomy .

I would relate the gridded items to the archetypal forms reported by Plato, but I often make those sideways jumps too readily.

So if no one objects to that grouping, it seems we have collected several aspects of the astral----?

Bets

Hi all

Wow Bets, same thing happened to me last week. I'm used to my ID (my interal voice) being challenging, or offering complementary information on what I'm thinking, to add to my train of thought, or to show me some other tracks, and occassionally to derail!

Just recently, around the same time as the other posts here, ID has been telling my Ego, that it Loves me, and how Cool I am, in a very direct, and strong way. Enough so, that I thought it quite unusual. In my dreams, I'm having old friends & even enemies lavish love on me, which I'm happy to soak up. I feel this is more than just self acceptance & life acceptance(although that's part of it), I do think my guides seem to be saying that they're finally pleased at the stage I've reached.

Like Dave, I've seen grids in meditation. I saw them when I decided to get in Kaballa mode and meditate on a glyph from the bible. It is the Hebrew 'He' symbol which is from Psalm 119:33-40. This relates to asking God to guide my path ever deeper into the heart of his "Precepts". What I saw was I was in a desert and I was on the apex of a finger like spire. (the only one around). Above me was a sky of rectangle grids (I've read that the skins between levels have more & more complex geometry on them as you go higher...also it ties in nicely with 'Brane Theory, which is how our universal dimensions are like slices of bread (or Membranes) in a loaf.) Anyways, one of these rectangles came down from the sky and over me & the Spire & then back up to the sky. I then percieved, pillowy, amorphous energy behind the skin.

I must say that in my day to day life I regularly percieve the One formless energy under the surface of Maya. Especially if I've had a beer and am sitting in nature! ;D

Check out the visionary art of Alex Grey if you want to see Grid Lines within our biology & nature. Check out the amazing!!!!!!!! last 45secs of the Parabola video by Tool. You can find it on You Tube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvXASWDMtBM . Alex Gray directed the last bit, and it is a brilliant look into a full blown DMT trip.

I thought I should mention that about 10 years ago, I used to wake up all the time while I was being operated on. I was literally on a table with tall 'entities' doing things to me, and I could still see a weird circular energy 'machine' above me for a while after waking up. I found it a bit spooky at the time, and it has since stopped. Maybe my consciousness no longer needs to be 'fertilized'.  ;D and the Helpers(?) have gone off to someone else.

Years later I was pulled out of body by Jesus who tuned up my head chakra (not the real JC, just something the helpers picked out of brain, a'la the end scene of Contact). The helpers took me out, I played around in an astral playpen, and then broke through to a deeper level by going thru a lite, and then I was in space (still a construct - you can always go deeper into the Mystery) and I was looking down on the different astral dreams/belief systems, which looks like cells in a honeycomb wall. Anyways, the helpers (6 really cool human types) brought me back thru a dream and into my body.

So, back to the thread, Dave said

"The entire room had taken on a sense of electrical fields, and above me and curving over me was a "sheet" of energy through which I could not pass - it moved along with me, like a layer of time that was stuck on the moment of experience"

This relates to the theory on the 11 Dimensions I've been reading about. Apparently all 11 dimensions are around us here but we are kept locked in our 3rd dimension by Strings (matter building blocks way smaller than the atom) which form arcs on top of our particular Membrane. Like Jelly on Toast. It would make sense that the layer of time you saw was indeed stuck to our dimension because, according to the boffins, all time passes thru our 3rd dimesion, while infinity passes thru the 9th. Sounds like you have energetically seen, a reality, only recently proven by mathematics. Check this video out here if you want to go into it  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4CFTZtcXE

You Legend Dave!

Cheers all, my brain now hurts, and I'm off to bed. ;)
Cris

Not really, actually just me confused individual Dave.

Beware of String Theory - I started to study it in depth and was quite disappointed. The Kaluza-Klein model of additional dimensions, led to the collection of information called "String Theory", which is actually not a theory, but a model. The idea is to map the behavior of a system to whatever desired degree of accuracy is desired, and then call the mapping equal to the system mapped. Reminds me of S I Hayakawa's counsel: "The map is not the territory." So in spite of being able to model behavior, the model are in no way predictive, nor can they be falsified. See, for a quick reference,
www.matter-antimatter.com/kaluza-klein_theory.htm

Having said that, there is god reason to look at a world of more than 3 dimensions, but before we do that we need to under stand WHY there are any specific number of dimensions.

My personal approach is to suggest the existence of a Riemannian manifold, a random blob of metric space, filled with an unordered array of attributes that arise spontaneously as reality generates itself. Just as we can see different patterns of rows of trees as we walk beside an orchard, by altering perspective in this manifold we can see different arrays of attributes and properties, and along a few perspective angles we see arrays that resemble to placement of objects throughout our everyday universe.

These are connected to one another by either real and immediate interactions, or by potential events not yet manifested. To connect two items gives two lines, defining a plane, or 2-space. Each line, or 1-space, is a divider of the 2-space. So we need to add another dimension to get a 3-space so we can cross and overlap numerous relational linkages without interferences.  Each 2-space (plane) bisects a 3-space (3D solid), so to obtain multiple was to form planes, we need a 4-space. And, since every possible 3-space assemblage bisects a 4-space, we need a 5-space to contain it without interference ... and so on, every n-1-space is a bisector of n-space. There are roughly 2^500 Planck units in the universe, kinda like 2^500 grains of sand with which to build a reality, to be used as points to be joining in every possible manner, so that we have an implicit dimensional system with roughly 2^500 dimensions, and every possible subset with lesser numbers.

The next question is where we might encounter spaces of higher dimensions. That's where your experiences come in - and where the logical analysis of them becomes a non-trivial problem. The first instance of enlightenment, vague and illusory as it seems, actually contains all the entire experience of everything. Our problem seems more to be a matter of perceiving how this works, than having meaningful experiences. But - you are definitely on the right path, so keep at it.

dave

Hi Again Cris-
Looked up the YouTube videos you cited - a very good expositions of basic string-brane ideas. Excellent video quickie.

Everyone seems to be working in this same general space in various ways -  For example, my theoretical work views reality as a point set topology - it was easier math, nobody else was working there, and I found at least one area in which it could be empirically tested, so I got a dissertation out of it. Some of these models actually "look like reality" in many ways. But, that doesn't mean that these descriptions equal the underlying reality. Think "high tech BST".

The notion of a separation in time, expanding along a vector that expresses process, is a forced interpretation that views any interval between states as  spatial. Relativity uses similar concepts to map intervals in terms of areas of space x time. This is an outgrowth of Special Relativity, which arose from  Minkowski's ideas, among others, and was presaged by a hundred years by J W Dunne's book "An Experiment With Time", in which the different  intervals separating awareness of future events have been assigned spatial and temporal values, some of which seem to extend into the relative future. (It's worth reading, by the way.)

I tend to resist this interpretation because it doesn't "feel" right to me.

Lets build a universe, starting with points in relationships that have properties like atoms or pebbles, and which expand by forming more relationships. Then we get a mesh of expanding relationships, each observed point being selected out of a number of possible points, all of which would be separated by changed definitions (say from red color to green color) along vectors called "dimensions".  This is the basic model in the video clip =  all changes lie along dimensions. But not all dimensions are spatial.

The same would be true if we started with a collection of ideas that merged and interacted as we thought about them, forming a mesh of new ideas related to one another - giving us a mesh of "dimensions" connecting any two ideas.  - This gives a collection of ideas defined by crisscrossed relationships, which could (at least in principle) be mapped on paper as a multiply dimensioned collection of points, in which dimensions branch as you change your mind. But that does not necessarily mean that it has spatial significance as a dimensional construct. - To say that your mind can be modeled in a physical space of umpteen dimensions is thus true, but misleading.

I'm not going to deny the value of string and membrane approaches in modeling, but I suggest that they need to be viewed with great care, because, like all abstract models, there is great danger of mistaking a logical argument, or some hidden assumption, for a factual description. (Of course my own work in point set topological cosmology is subject to the same criticism!)

However, experiences that several people have shared, such as the sensation of naturally arising grids seems to bring some new information that is independent of personal viewpoint. Another well known phenomenon is the "psychedelic flicker" that is reported by almost 100% of drug users, and many of us as we go into meditation. This gives a view of reality as a series of event frames, each of which caries the entire experience of the moment. Each is discrete.  It's rather like watching individual frames of a 3D movie. This might be similar to "grids" or it might be a different effect.

The experience of grids has thus far been reported as (1) a cover that is on top of external surfaces, something with which I am familiar, as (2) the interior of a sheet of something, I felt it to be a charged field that was "sticky" and could not be penetrated, and that more or less enveloped me, Cris mentioned a sheet that expanded and descended to cover him; (3) Bets mentions a book that took on a gridded appearance and vibrated; (4) I always see the grid elements as yellow-orange and red, but orange fades off into a sort of green-gold, such as when I watch my wife's aura as she sleeps, and Recoverer gives green as being the color of human grids; (5) Bets associates grids with the inner channels of stuff that get rearranged by psychic healers (as with chakras and nadis?) and with Carolyn Myss' ideas and massage. (6) Recoverer reports that green space and grid carried information about the space behind him. (Personally, I usually go into a green world in meditation - but I get 360 degree vision without grids, and only with effort.)

I think that the grid phenomenon is a valid common factor of experience here, but it needs more data. My next question is whether the grid experience arises from us, the observers, or is it due to the space that we observe, and in a manner independent of us. I would be extremely interested in working with anyone who wants to pursue this topic.

dave

Greetings Boris, and dave a_mbs,

Thank you for your cautions earlier on this thread.
Dave, I assume you've moved on in your thinking about the grid-warnings you once received. That was just a part of what you were going through as ThenDave, and NowDave has passed and mastered those lessons, right?
Boris, Recoverer said we have to learn to trust these sources--how true!  I didn't trust them for at least a half a century, but since I've come here and learned from these posters, and gone through Bruce's experiences/books, my relationship with sources beyond the physical has been so greatly improved. I considered getting suspicious again, but I have no experience in the last several decades that supports that. Do you want to PM about it? I appreciate your input.

Bets

Hey Dave.

Interesting. Thought I'd chuck in another experiential confirmation of (a then in the future) 'Brane Theory.
Dr John Lilly (dolphin & ketamine researcher, consciousness explorer, float tank inventor, & the guy they made the movie Altered States about) said in one of his books that when he was in the float tank for a few days while on LSD/KETAMINE he became one with a universal membrane which housed billions of entities. Food for thought.

Bets, I know what you mean about the guides. I don't know why they are so mysterious most of the time, and do things like only show there hands or bodies. I have a feeling that they either can't interfer to much or they can't get to close to our emotional energy. Without the scuba diving equipment of a human body, this level & energy may be to intense for them. I also think that like life there are good and bad people "out there', which makes it difficult to trust someone, if you can't get a proper handle on them.  

Still last nite while asleep I felt/saw myself being 'assigned' a bunch of monks to work with me after I requested it in meditation. Maybe you could pray and meditate to God to assign you some good helpers and to let you be aware of them. You may have to start keeping a dream journal. There presence seems very subtle and they may also be not what you expect which can be spooky. I guess at the end of the day you start to trust, when over a course of years, you've developed a reason to. I think I'm only fully getting to that stage now. Still, a bit of caution never hurt. I mean, would you go for a drive with someone who just turned up at your door who was a midget and wearing a pink tutu. My apologies to midgets & tutus but I'm trying to highlight the point that the spiritual often operates outside our expections.

I don't know if this point is related to the green/gold grid lines but for years I've seen purple & violet around the moon. The last few months it has changed to green/gold which has suprised me as it is such an unusual looking colour.
Cheers
Cris

Greetings,

Regarding the grid lines, way back into midcentury I think before computer contour analysis used grids to draw surfaces, there were some comic book artists who were showing backgrounds with simple gridded surfaces. Can any comic fans recall how early that was?
Some of those comic book fellows were tuned in to other realms, right? as some of their 'sci-fi' ideas turned out prophetic.  
Regarding your grid study, Dave, I'd be happy to participate to whatever extent I can.

Yes, Wingrin, caution does make sense. My guide(s) have been good protectors too; I don't want to diss them. I still have no fear or negative effects from that grid refill though. But I'll check their credentials from time to time with Higher Authority to make sure I haven't accepted a false guide---guess there's no one stage where one can say 'there! now I've arrived and all's well forever.'

Bets

While going to sleep I was looking near my feet in bed and saw a crumpled grid of orange lines - It's often there - Sometimes it looks like a person, sometimes two, often with little points of orange light, or sometimes just a tangle of lines near my left foot. A spook with a toe fetish?

Closing my eyes the big squares of the red grid were there, quickly turning into cubes and then fading.

I have no idea how to proceed here, but it seems to be a meaningful place to look.

d

Dave Said: I think that the grid phenomenon is a valid common factor of experience here, but it needs more data. My next question is whether the grid experience arises from us, the observers, or is it due to the space that we observe, and in a manner independent of us. I would be extremely interested in working with anyone who wants to pursue this topic.
____

I see the grid as a matrix of sound. maybe because I am a musician. but I can follow a tone which seems like part of a grid, or line of destination in the mind/Mind.

once though, I hullicinated a matrix on acid. I only dropped it about 3 or 4 times in my life due to I wasn't ready to see things that I saw and figured out I'm more into slow type spiritual journeys than blowing my mind uncomfortably.
what I saw, just to share with Dave these old hippy days, and I don't want folks to experiment with drugs, I don't even take aspirin now.
what I saw was, I was in a park at night, my first or 2nd acid trip (I hear acid activates a certain portion of the brain, stimulating hullicination, they can stimulate this area now with an instruement in the lab)

but what I saw, was a mesh or wire fence that wasn't really there, but I couldn't walk through it as it seemed an obstruction. I was on a pathway and looking for a way around the wire fence in the dark. a buddy with me informed there was no fence there and waved his arm to show me, it wasn't there. sometimes I wonder if it might have been a part of this grid thing though that we talk about here? As he showed me it wasn't there, it slowly started to disappear.

this part of that trip was boring compared to what I saw later. I saw into a person's soul, a customer sitting at a restaurant stool, turned to look at me and I traveled the darkest places in his soul and almost peed my pants. my buddy had to break me out of the trance.
cant say that was much fun either. :-?  however, as I recall I did send him telepathy and his face then returned to something normal. I felt a composure then.

I like Cris's statement about the possibility of a guide showing up in a tutu as a midget. you know, I do believe one of mine is not above this sort of tomfoolery! Its just funny. They will do anything to break through.
love, alysia

Hi laffingrain,

Did the fence you saw define a particular space?  Like maybe an area you did or didn't want to enter?

So far, I think, the grids have been on the surface or around some  thing, like they provide its shape.

Hmm-mm, just realized that a grid pattern with larger open areas between the lines (like I think of as what we're talking about in these grid examples) is *not* very popular for clothing--- I wonder if we're uncomfortable with the unconscious reminder of an inner world (if grids are astral level forms).

Bets.

betson wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2007 at 2:52pm:

Hi laffingrain, Did the fence you saw define a particular space?  Like maybe an area you did or didn't want to enter? So far, I think, the grids have been on the surface or around some  thing, like they provide its shape. Hmm-mm, just realized that a grid pattern with larger open areas between the lines (like I think of as what we're talking about in these grid examples) is *not* very popular for clothing--- I wonder if we're uncomfortable with the unconscious reminder of an inner world (if grids are astral level forms). Bets.

well hmmm. the tone grid as an image sailed off horizontally it seemed and rose slightly upwards. not a grid image so much as appearing as a tunnel without walls.

you make me think of plaids, which I seldom wear, unless I'm in a plaid mood :)

grids can be analgous to our body's vessel system too and to the ambilical or astral ambilical cord.

the fence I saw was about 8' tall, looked like a net. I have no idea why I saw it. was only learning something when it disappeared. it defined it seemed the entire front of a park expanse. more like a net though than a fence. I did want to get through it.
I still think it's the brain manufactured it unto mind film. no less real is mind film. if it's there, its there because you see it. then when shown I could see it not there, it wasn't there.

Greetings,

Alysia said: "I still think it's the brain manufactured it unto mind film.
no less real is mind film. if it's there, its there because
you see it. then when shown I could see it not there, it wasn't there."
Love it!
Love being here where we know what we mean when we talk like this!  :) ;)

I thought of plaid but the colors often fill in the grid so completely that the grid gets blurred, so then I didn't count it. 'Plaid moods' !  :D

Love, Bets

glad u like my attempts at gridding Bets! :)  theres one more inference to an information grid out there, and then of course Bruce's "time-line-event" planners, like a time grid thing.
time being seen as a series of events, rather than the rising and setting of the moon and sun.

the information grid, I can tell a little story, I already told it a few times, but seems to always be other words can surround the story.

there was this young fellow, a guide I met several times in obe type dream shifts. He was to find a vehicle for me to buy as I had asked for help.

some kind of grid of information is out there, as he was able to find my car in another state where I was moving to soon, well he knew I was moving, so he knew the state to look in. He told me he does this all the time for others, he connects the list of items you want in a car, then he finds it against the list of items on a seller's car.
not just cars, he connected buyers and sellers of other items. the way he had fun doing it, was to see how speedy he could do it. he implied he was tops in his field.

it was set up for me to do a test drive in the car he found (astrally) we did several test runs as I wasn't sure about it. one time he was driving and looked over and said, "it is too a good car!"  :)  mental telepathy operating. I was thinking oh, I don't know about this.

then I smiled back at him as he was so confidant, like a young whippersnapper guide.
he traveled some highways of information links, sort of like an internet in the sky; maybe he just googled in "alysia's car."  :D

Bets quoted Recoverer said:  As recoverer said the astral body uses the crown chakra for its exit/entrance.
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just a slight correction. exit was made for myself between the eyes on occassion.
I do believe we can use any chakra to exit/enter, depending on the situation. but it's involuntary for most of us. (I had no idea I was going out that way)


Bets said:  I would relate the gridded items to the archetypal forms reported by Plato, but I often make those sideways jumps too readily.
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I'm not familiar with archetypal forms reported by Plato but I might like to be! :)

Greetings,

Just thought of some other aspects of soul melds. (Soul melds are not the same as astral refills, but the soul meld discussion is more in detail here on this thread .) I'm not widely experienced in this, but I do try to figure out the experiences I have and hope someone can benefit from my mistakes.

Soul melds have to be done when both entities/persons are OB or phasing. If I am 'out and about' and decide to go visit a friend who is into this, and they are asleep, I cannot just surprise them with a friendly meld. I can give them PUL but I can't impose a meld. When someone imposes a meld on someone who is in-body, the effect on the physical is extreme pressure at the chest/heart area.  This can be frightening to the physical person. So even though a soul meld starts with strong PUL, one shouldn't try to extend that into a meld unless they know their partner is also OB/phasing.  :)

Soul melds that move on into root chakra connections  *>need<* chakra connection at the top level(s) too-- the more chakras the merrier!!  :D  But definitely third eye or crown if root is activated. I think this creates a loop for energies so that they don't all pool in one area. The more chakras that are involved, the different, stonger, more ecstatic the experience becomes.  Perhaps the various patterns of chakra involvement affect where the couple flies off to in the frequent following gift of spirit experience (which varies too much by Interpretor to attempt to describe).

Soul melds are a wonderful gift from Spirit and are steps towards higher consciousness and our fuller understanding of spiritual realities.  Soul melds happen when two people (male and female) care about each other and make a spiritual connection while out of their bodies.

When we aim for a soul meld, the baggage we inevitably carry will cause us to have a lesser experience.  When we go into this for Love/PUL, the sky's the limit!
Like retrieving, melds must be experienced to be believed.

I wish I could say all that with the clarity of Bruce and the poetry and music of others here (Alysia, Spooky, etc.) Like all spiritual experience the subject is too beautiful to be discussed directly. Try reading Rumi.  :)

Love, Bets

Woops, I stand corrected.  Soul melds can be done with one person in the physical, if done very carefully.  I regret the error.

Bets