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Message started by Never say die on May 19th, 2007 at 9:03am

Title: The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom
Post by Never say die on May 19th, 2007 at 9:03am
I came across this website a while ago and then its propped up again. How many have seen it? What are your thoughts?

Maybe alot of people here don't need the evidence for life after death presented as alot of you say you already know and I believe you but it would be a much better world if all knew wouldn't it?.

Unfortunately there are greedy powerful forces in the world that prevent the scientific and rational case for life after death being put forward and helping to keep those who haven't been so fortunate or aren't so sensitive to the energy around them in ignorance.

http://www.cfpf.org.uk/

Title: Re: The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom
Post by Chumley on May 19th, 2007 at 9:11pm
[quote author=Never say die link=1179579785/0#0 date=1179579785]I came across this website a while ago and then its propped up again. How many have seen it? What are your thoughts?

Maybe alot of people here don't need the evidence for life after death presented as alot of you say you already know and I believe you but it would be a much better world if all knew wouldn't it?.

Unfortunately there are greedy powerful forces in the world that prevent the scientific and rational case for life after death being put forward and helping to keep those who haven't been so fortunate or aren't so sensitive to the energy around them in ignorance.
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I don't know about this one...
The proprietor of the website, based his views on an absolute
rejection of Einstein's theory of relativity! (Hate to tell you this -
but if Einstein is wrong, how do you explain the existence of nuclear
weapons, or all the experiments which have confirmed Einstein?)
Instead, Michael Roll (the website proprietor) touts an obscure (and
somewhat "fringe"-ey) ex-engineer by the name of Ronald Pearson,
who introduced a bunch of completely unsupported, whole-cloth ideas into Newton's
theories (calling it "revised Newtonian theory") and dusted off the obsolete 19th-century notion of the "ether" to pin the whole thing together. I for one am NOT inclined to trust "science" which has an AGENDA (and let's face it, Pearson was SETTING OUT to find evidence for an afterlife, rather than simply going where the evidence leads as TRUE SCIENCE does.) Such is my story about how I dealt with this initially interesting, but ultimately disappointing website and its cranky theories.
Hope that helps,

B-man
P.S. I don't think that the world would be made better, if everyone
"knew" there was life after death - for TWO reasons.
#1. Most people throughout history - especially LEADERS - have been religious, or at least believed in human immortality. (Hell, look at George W. Bush! I could rest my case right there..!)
#2. Look at the Crusades. NO-ONE, on EITHER side (Crusader or Saracen!) was an atheist, or if they were they were mighty quiet about it! ALL on BOTH SIDES believed they'd go to "heaven" for killing the "infidel." AND look at today's brewing global religious war, for Pete's sake! Is this your better world, then..?

Title: Re: The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom
Post by Cosmic_Ambitions on May 20th, 2007 at 2:44am
I've posted this before, but this link provides some intruiging information from a leading expert in quantum physics. This related information expounds upon some of the ideas of Einstein and other noteable scientists:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OLUUCeAqOxs

(It has a lengthy load time.)

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Title: Re: The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom
Post by Never say die on May 20th, 2007 at 8:28am

B-dawg wrote on May 19th, 2007 at 9:11pm:
[quote author=Never say die link=1179579785/0#0 date=1179579785]I came across this website a while ago and then its propped up again. How many have seen it? What are your thoughts?

Maybe alot of people here don't need the evidence for life after death presented as alot of you say you already know and I believe you but it would be a much better world if all knew wouldn't it?.

Unfortunately there are greedy powerful forces in the world that prevent the scientific and rational case for life after death being put forward and helping to keep those who haven't been so fortunate or aren't so sensitive to the energy around them in ignorance.
*****************
I don't know about this one...
The proprietor of the website, based his views on an absolute
rejection of Einstein's theory of relativity! (Hate to tell you this -
but if Einstein is wrong, how do you explain the existence of nuclear
weapons, or all the experiments which have confirmed Einstein?)
Instead, Michael Roll (the website proprietor) touts an obscure (and
somewhat "fringe"-ey) ex-engineer by the name of Ronald Pearson,
who introduced a bunch of completely unsupported, whole-cloth ideas into Newton's
theories (calling it "revised Newtonian theory") and dusted off the obsolete 19th-century notion of the "ether" to pin the whole thing together. I for one am NOT inclined to trust "science" which has an AGENDA (and let's face it, Pearson was SETTING OUT to find evidence for an afterlife, rather than simply going where the evidence leads as TRUE SCIENCE does.) Such is my story about how I dealt with this initially interesting, but ultimately disappointing website and its cranky theories.
Hope that helps,

B-man
P.S. I don't think that the world would be made better, if everyone
"knew" there was life after death - for TWO reasons.
#1. Most people throughout history - especially LEADERS - have been religious, or at least believed in human immortality. (Hell, look at George W. Bush! I could rest my case right there..!)
#2. Look at the Crusades. NO-ONE, on EITHER side (Crusader or Saracen!) was an atheist, or if they were they were mighty quiet about it! ALL on BOTH SIDES believed they'd go to "heaven" for killing the "infidel." AND look at today's brewing global religious war, for Pete's sake! Is this your better world, then..?


Good to see you back here Chumley.

I recommend watching some of the video footage of Michael Roll here he explains why he is saying that Einsteins theory of relativity is invalid. New discoveries in quantum physics and the study of sub atomic particles displace Einstein's theories. Einstein was a brilliant scientist in his day but that does not mean he was infallible.

I don't agree with you about the whole thing about war and religion because that is a belief in survival based on religious creed. Roll says that he has been present at seances where spirits have materialised with the help of a highly sensitive medium called a materialisation medium. From the spirit communcations the evidence suggests what I believe to be true, all of one spirituality and everybody survives death (p.s. i know you've said you want oblivion but you just don't know how different your opinion might be if you hadn't let yourself be upset so much by all the fundamentalism in the world  :-/).

I don't expect you to believe me Chumley I would suggest that you research the website and the videos a little more with an open mind perhaps and give the evidence a little more consideration.

If not then that's ok too. I'm just glad to have you back  8-)

Title: Re: The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom
Post by Never say die on May 20th, 2007 at 8:34am

Cosmic_Ambitions wrote on May 20th, 2007 at 2:44am:
I've posted this before, but this link provides some intruiging information from a leading expert in quantum physics. This related information expounds upon some of the ideas of Einstein and other noteable scientists:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OLUUCeAqOxs

(It has a lengthy load time.)

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions


Yeah I've seen it Kaku has some impressive ideas about parallel universes and type 1 civilisations etc. Perhaps being spoken about with out intending to placate new age spiritual ideas but I do see corellations.

One thing that frustrates me and doesn't surprise me is that scientists seemed to get due respect when they present some supposedly 'way out there' ideas as long as they aren't linking them to the paranormal or the afterlife. For the physicists that link the do they are open to derision from all those slack jawed sceptics and the worst of alll, keyboard heroes on You Tube  ;D

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