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Title: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 7th, 2007 at 6:54pm
My question to you is what all happens in a past life regression.. Like what do the people see and experience??
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Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 7th, 2007 at 7:58pm
Does anyone know what happens? That is if dave doesn't answer.. Because I really want to know! Since, I want to get hypnotized and have a past life regression!! I think it may help me out on my fear of hell..
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Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by deanna on May 7th, 2007 at 8:13pm
Hi bear why have you got a fear of hell ?love deanna
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Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 7th, 2007 at 8:21pm deanna wrote on May 7th, 2007 at 8:13pm:
Just the fact that I have been raised as a Catholic and the priests at our High school and church would preach about a God of wrath.. Also, they would talk about hell and that it was fire and brimstone and demons.. I had that put in my mind at an early age and for about 21 years.. Also, they made us read the book 23 minutes in hell by Bill Weiss.. Now, I don't believe in a hell like that.. I don't believe God created hell.. But now that I have done research on the afterlife.. They say if you think and fear of going to hell you may get that in the afterlife.. So, now I am afraid that if I die and freak myself out and think I may go there just by thinking it, I will end up in the ungodly place.. So, it just scares me that by thinking of you may go to hell will send you to the hell of your own fears.. I try to think of not going to hell, but it just won't go away! I don't know what to do.. Plus, just reading the book 23 minutes in hell.. Scars you for life... So, I think getting a past life regression will help me get through this.. peace |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by spooky2 on May 7th, 2007 at 9:57pm
I don't think the fear of hell will make you stay in a hell. Maybe there will be some hellish things around for you when you strongly think of them, but that will not make you stay there if you only want to go elsewhere. You know what, I guess, could be worsen the situation is when you really WANT to stay in a hell, because you think you DESERVE it. That would be something to work on.
On the other hand, while many state in an OBE you can be confronted with your own fears appearing outside from you looking pretty real, when you die there are coming other factors into play. Beings from your group, angels, higher self, God or who or whatever will be guiding you. There is also the possibility that you just detach to a great degree from many things automatically when you leave the physical, like reported in the NDEs you recently recommended. Spooky |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by blink on May 7th, 2007 at 10:35pm
DearBear,
Are you afraid of hell...or are you afraid of death? When you are fully alive there is no fear of death. When you are fully focused on your living spirit of love which you have come to know, there is no fear of death. We die to each moment. Fear is a moment which you can die to....hell is illusion. You can see it in your mind, you can feel it in your bones....but it is illusion. It is also illusion that you are alone in any moment of fear. All you have to remember is that you are not alone, and that you are loved more than you could ever know or anticipate. love, blink :) |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by dave_a_mbs on May 7th, 2007 at 11:37pm
Whew! - So much for the question that I failed to answer!
In a past life regression there are two people involved, the Guide and the Regressee. The Guide generally is left with the task of guiding what seems to be a disembodied intelligence that somehow is centered in the Regressee through a lot of places that are poorly or not at all defined. If done well, this leads to a series of recollections. Ideally, the guidance is totally non-specific, so that whatever is called up comes entirely from the Regressee. Occasionally, I am told, there may be sensible manifestations of whatever is happening, although I never have seen anything interesting. For the Regressee the hypnotic process leads to a state in which the mind is fully operational, but mostly on hold. This is sensed as a sort of "blah", nothing going on, not much happening inside, no real interest or desire to respond to the outside either. This is a basic meditative mode. From here you can focus on locating spirits in need of rescue, or you can go into your own recollections. Now the Guide steps in and gives a suggestion to focus on a specific kind of information in a specific manner. This is the "bridge" by which one reaches the spirit world. I use a metaphor of houses along the street of time. Other workers use other metaphors, such as an eagle that carries the Regressee to the spirit world and into the most important lifetime there. Or you might use an escalator idea, that carries the memory into the proper location. Or an elevator, or a space ship or whatever you prefer. The next thing is that the Regressee's mind begins to put forth imagery. It can be literal, such as all the details of what you had for breakfast, right down to the last grain of salt and the coffee stain on your napkin, or it can be generic, so that you recognize the breakfasting activity, but lose details because they were unimportant. Or it might be a metaphor, so that the recollections are symbolic (this is unusual, but not rare), or very often it surprises everyone by being a recollection of the present lifetime that has failed to be resolved. At times, sadistic childhood molestation pops out here, even though the perpetrators promised that they'd kill and dismember the victim and shove her down the kitchen sink disposal, or something equally wretched. The Guide asks the Regressee to recall the event, but not to be so involved that it is relived - recollection is enough. "See it as if from a distance, and tell me what is happening," is one way to do this. However, there is no way to negate the existence of an unpleasant experience. So memories and visions appear, some in good order and excellent detail, some in terrible detail and poor resolution. Most of the SSRI type antidepressant drugs inhibit this and cause fragmentation which prevents either a good sequence or clear recollection. The Guide is responsible for pointing out things to look at. That's because the Regressee doesn't really care. In deep trance there is little interest in anything. So the Guide tries to point out the elements of sequences and attempts to lead the Regressee through a lifetime in a serial manner, more or less as it happened. Somewhere along the line the Regressee begins to learn how to "think" by using only primary process operations - a sort of emotional thinking process. This may lead to sponteneity. If the Guide suggests that the Regressee go through a death scene at the end of one or another lifetime, that's the material that occurs. Fortunately, since we have all died thousands of times, it is a safe bet that dying is never really fatal. I've asked about Hell - but nobody could ever find a place that fit the usual "fire escape religion" ideas. Just the souls of people who are so arrogant and rejecting that they are isolated from God and don't care. After dying, we normally are involved with the spiritual dimension, so it is possible to "go into the spirit world" and to "call for your loved ones" - which generally brings a lot of dead relatives to you to talk and discuss matters that got missed in life. There are similar tricks that work for therapy. You can also ask for a "spirit guide" and hire the most appropriate spirit who wants the job. And finally, after doing this for one or two hours (most people find that it's too much work to do for longer times) the Guide suggests that you re-energize your body, sending energy throughout, and return to the world "feeling wonderful, alert, aware and fully awake". Aside from the Guide, it's more or less like going into a deep sleep. To handle that part, I use a video recorder so that you can see what you said and connect with the process. A side note - you fear hell? There isn't one, unless you have been such a colossal twit that you have to invent one for yourself. Death is said to be easier than being born, which doesn't seem like much reassurance to me. However, there is nothing but love in the spirit world, and if you are willing to be "repaired" in whatever way is needed to become "perfect" you'll have no problems at all. The only thing that really gets changed is attitude. Oh yes - you can go there and give it a try if you're curious. (See Announcements.) Then, I suggest that you get a copy of Bruce's Home Study Course and start helping others who are in worse shape than you ever were. :-) That promises you will get VIP treatment. I hope that helps- dave |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 8th, 2007 at 2:45pm
Hey Dave, thanks for letting me know all about it!! Past life regression sounds like a wonderful experience!! I really would love to meet my deceased family members and especially, my spirit guides!!
I see there is no hell?? The past year I have started to believe in no hell.. Only that it is illusion.. That is what I am afraid of being scared of some type of hell and experiencing that illusion.. The one I fear the most is the fire and brimstone hell.. Because I fear I've already created it.. Since, I've feared it for so long.. Also, so only the arrogant and people with anger, and no remorse invent their own hells?? If, so I should be okay than.. I believe God will accept all into the otherside (heaven) as long as, people believe they are responsible for their actions and believe they need to improve and work on their mistakes to become better souls.. Also, realize that we all connected to one another and God is everyone, so why would God punish a part of God's self??? There is no judgement so we need to not even judge ourselves.. The afterlife is more of a learning process and self-growing to seek higher enlightment! Am I right?? Also, thanks everyone for your kind words... |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 8th, 2007 at 2:51pm spooky2 wrote on May 7th, 2007 at 9:57pm:
Yeah, hopefully I won't stay in hell.. I don't believe I deserve hell.. I don't really believe anyone deserves hell.. Because no one should judge anyone.. No matter how ignorant(evil) a person is.. Since, we all are connected to God now, we all are equal.. As, long as I see them as illusions I will be fine I think.. Also, I ask God/angels/deceased relatives every night to please greet me and guide me whenever I die.. So, hopefully they will answer my only prayer.. That is all I ask for.. Because great prayer is already realizing we are special and we will never be let down by God and that we already have everything we can ask for.. So, great prayer is gratitude.. So, I am sure they will answer my prayer.. I am glad you read my NDE's! Did you like them spooky?? peace |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 8th, 2007 at 2:53pm wrote on May 7th, 2007 at 10:35pm:
I think I am afraid of both.. I see great words of wisdom blink! Yes, hell is definately a scary illusion.. That is why most near deaths are positive and turn from negative to positve, because people see past their fears and illusions.. I agree, that I am never alone.. I am definately loved more than I could ever realize.. Thanks for reminding me that blinK!!! peace |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by deanna on May 8th, 2007 at 5:39pm
You are loved bear ,you wont go to hell your too nicer person love deanna
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Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 8th, 2007 at 7:26pm deanna wrote on May 8th, 2007 at 5:39pm:
Thanks deanna you are a great person too!! I wish you the best luck on your addiction.. PLEASE STOP smoking!! :) peace |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by dave_a_mbs on May 8th, 2007 at 8:17pm
Hi DaBears-
As far as I can tell, hell is something we do to ourselves because we believe that we deserve it. The vast majority of the life-to-death transition can be experienced in deep meditation - and providing that you remember to return, you can tell your friends about it. I discovered, way back in the late 60's, that the same state can be reliably produced by overdosing on LSD. (I do not suggest anyone trying that one! It's like using a stick of dynamite cure a minor case of constipation. Hmmm - graphic image, but justified.) In that state one's fears reflect past actions etc, and to the degree that we feel remorse and self-recriminations, we tend to generate a hell. The basic solutions for not creating a personal hell seem to be twofold. First, it is necessary to recognize that this is not anything unusual, you're just going through another transition, as you have many times before. Second, instead of fighting the pressures etc, the appropriate attitude is to embrace all the changes toward improvement, change and self-improvement, and to simply dedicate yourself to whatever God wants to do with you. That changes the stress of transition (the hell-factor) into a transcendental experience that is enjoyable because it provides sensible joys and pleasures associated with growth and increased closeness to God. The reason that souls get stuck, and then need to be rescued, is that they either refuse to go through with the process and simply stop moving as they recycle some prior event or state, or they cling to their prior life in some manner. This is a hell-like situation, as most of them are stuck by fear, but unnecessary. Bruce's remedies allow understanding, acceptance and redirection, and are essentially a matter of embracing the situation and going along with it. If you go through a few deaths in a regression you'll notice that there's nothing especially scary except the change from familiar to unfamiliar. That's the same feeling as we get when we change jobs, move to a new location etc. That will make you a substantially better therapist for stuck souls. My background in this includes initiation into Bardo Thodol by Gyatrul Rinpoche in the early 70's, essentially the study of life and death and of transitional states that generalize throughout our lives. You might find a decent translation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead (aka Bardo Thodol) to be useful in understanding the sequence in death. In brief, it seems to be first, awareness of our own actions and state, then reactions to them, and then integration of the two into the new world of experience, followed by rebirth. Or you can simply go there and look through regression. dave |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 8th, 2007 at 9:31pm dave_a_mbs wrote on May 8th, 2007 at 8:17pm:
I see your analysis about hell makes me feel a lot better.. I agree that hell is by our own doing.. We create it by believing we deserve to go there.. Instead of realizing we all are one and connected to God and need to forgive ourselves.. LOL I like your graphic description ... LOL I see to just bask in the transition and stay calm is the key.. Because then we can see past the illusions.. Thanks for that advice! Yeah, I have studied a little bit on the Tibetan Book Of The dead... Dave you are a good man and I enjoy reading your feedback on these types of things! peace |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by dave_a_mbs on May 9th, 2007 at 2:23pm
Thanks for complement - Maybe I should give you my wife's URL to repeat that. :-)
There are a few pranayamas that might be useful - depends on whether you're interested in Kundalini, which is the natural equivalent of psychedelics. Classic references include Hatha Yoga Pradipika and of course Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. A sampler of methods can be found in W Y Evans-Wentz book, Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines. In the original, C G Jung did a preface, and Evans-Wentz and his translator have done a pretty good explanatory job. It's an abridged version, but decent. Enjoy- dave |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by recoverer on May 9th, 2007 at 4:16pm
Kundalini--natural equivalent of psychadelics? I don't know if I'd put it that way. It is a creative energy that will connect you to the World of spirit once it makes its way through your energy circuit. Raise it if you're willing to be challenged and are sincere about working through your mental limitations and growing in love. I believe it is better to work on spiritual growth and to allow your kundalini to raise naturally if it becomes necessary for it to do so. If it raises, pray to God and ask for spiritual help. Layers of the mind that generally remain covered can become uncovered when kundalini arises. You'll also become more aware of the World of spirit. You'll also have to be disciplined about what you put into your body, or your energy might become imbalanced. Healthy food, no drugs, no alchohol etc.
dave_a_mbs wrote on May 9th, 2007 at 2:23pm:
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Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 9th, 2007 at 4:20pm dave_a_mbs wrote on May 9th, 2007 at 2:23pm:
Your welcome dave! LOL Why she don't think so?? Hmm those pranayamas sound interesting... I'm not to familiar with Kundalini.. I might have to check it out though.. Thanks for those sources to check out! peace |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by dave_a_mbs on May 10th, 2007 at 6:42pm
The wife occasionally gives me static - it's her job, I think. Keeps the size of my head from expanding too much.
I went through the drug scene in the Haight-Ashbury days, and discovered that everything that could be done with chemicals can be done by meditation - with the one exception that meditation doesn't cause the abrupt appearance of iron bars. Kundalini is the energy that runs at the primary process level - emotional energy and basic life force. The direction of active meditation moves into that awareness by stirring it up in a controlled manner, while the direction of passive meditation brings the same awareness by removing the alternatives. Recoverer is right, that if we simply keep on with normal development, kundalini energy and the corresponding awarenesses on that level will arise in a natural and controlled manner with no effort and usually without disturbance to a normal lifestyle. But I was one of those who wanted to push the envelope, and instead of using chemicals that make the body go into an existential crisis, the methods of "kundalini yoga" (a misnomer) do much the same thing without depriving one of self control. Other paths to the same end include grief, intense love, panic, spiritual experiences etc. The African tribal trance dancing that goes on for a day or two is another meathod of doing the same thing. Personally, now that I'm long past the days of my more toxic habits, I sometimes use kundalini methods to pick up a litle extra energy during the day. Since everything looks like God anyway, there's no real dissonance, and it fits in whith my practice in hypnosis and regression. Might not be the best idea whle driving or during a class etc. dave |
Title: Re: Hey dave.. You never answered my question.. Post by DaBears on May 10th, 2007 at 7:22pm dave_a_mbs wrote on May 10th, 2007 at 6:42pm:
I see what you mean! That is how my g/f is too.. She keeps my ego in check as well.. lol I see you were a hippie back than??lol Hippies are cool people.. If, I was born in the 60's I would of been a hippie for sure! Thanks for the information! peace |
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