Share your experience with traveling ASTRALLY with another living human.

Bruce has been practicing this and writing about it , any others care to share their experiences?


Myself, I would love to meet up with someone on ASTRAL trips, I go alone and I have no way of verifying in scientific way, but would love to practice this. Also, since Near Death Experience 35 years ago, seems I travel to realms when awake and bounce in and out of alternate realities many times a day, and never tell people around me (last 30 years) . Use to have more fun with it in my 20's but now when I go traveling it is to share"love" and "beam" love to any entity.  "Everyone" is my friend on inner planes ... they are just doing different stuff. In past in 20's saw alot of weird stuff (working thru "hades" to get into ASTRAL proper) Astral plane had the "hellish" and "heavenly" subplanes ... and the Temples were nice, Astral Masters, lead to Beings that had no form but communicated in Concepts.  Then DECISION time, and the years of rebuilding as LOVE became the motivating force in "travel". :)

Would love to take TRIPS with others! :)

Bruce has great idea and 2 people going together to help sounds wonderful.

We've done a little Partnered Exploration on those threads in another forum here, in group situation basically, it's easier with twos or threes though.

it sounds like you may be able to give us a book someday Richman from some of the things that you say? if you are not a writer, too bad. you have some experience. (or a lot)

yes the only reason I might have an obe experience has to do with PUL, or needing to deliver a message to another, that just comes to me. and you did this too.

if you would like to do some PE we could ask for volunteers on the PE thread, or if it's just you and me, we could give it a shot sometime. we did think of pairing up one time, and we can still do that.

you might want to outline some kind of plan for me, or for a small group over on the other thread and I could join you. you might like to see what we've been doing.

:)

Thanks for the reply.

Sounds good.

I can tell you got my vibration and zoned in on me.

You are good at it.

I usually don't let people know I'm spiritual because after near death experience, If I thought it, I was there,  and the secondary effect, if someone thinks of me, they are here.  So for my mental health, I have kept very, very, very, low profile.  I wonder if others experience the same thing.  Once my EYES opened up, it was NO FUN, thoughts were THINGS, and I couldn't use physical reality to HIDE.  NO FUN!  And I couldn't control my thoughts in beginning, so it SUCKED!  But side effect is still true, if someone SCANS  by vibration on physical plane, I can communicate and not sure how to handle that one yet.

HOPE some others experience this in this forum room, would be nice to not be alone , because this is first time, I'm sharing it, and as some are AWARE, here , my inner life is more active in human interaction.  

AS to ASTRAL pairing, I did try it yesterday , and it seems LIKE WORK. At least we only have to take them to the BUILDING and others take it from there.  

I was told inside the building that  those of us that are alive are closer to the FEARS and SCARY images and inner-hells that humans can create , and can RELATE better to "departed" and to get them to come out of their "prison".  EMPATHY.  It does feel like WORK, and they did say I can stop if I want and come back whenever I want, so I have freedom... I just would like it to be more fun, although it did feel rewarding in way.

Coupled with the fact I could hand the person off at the building or on LAWN near building and they would take it from there, was nice touch.  

Most things get easier with practice, so I guess I'll continue.

BUT only FUN-LOVING people need apply to be Phyical-ASTRAL helper (please) , I don't want to go with someone REALLY serious. I hope you know what I mean.  

I'm not doing it for excitement or to see if I can do it, but for FUN and to help in a way that isn't like the OLD WORK ethic on EARTH PLANE.

Anyone who is "aware" or "sensitive" I would imagine wouldn't like to be KNOWN in person, because of all the "crap" that would flow in (I'm projecting, maybe there is a way to do it, but I haven't found it yet) .  

My way in last 30 years, do NOT tell anyone around me about my "openness" , and send "LOVE" out in silent way, and act "normal" and talk about the whether,news,games, movies! :)
It works sort of, but it would be nice to interact with others that were "sensitive".  

The animals are and tiny kids are "sensitive"! :)  It's nice to interact with them because we don't need to "talk" ... to communicate! And after I leave them, we both are free, they don't THINK about me and I don't THING about them!  FREEDOM.  Wish humans were like that and realized how what they THINK can harm animals and children and "sensitive" people. :)

I'm here to learn too, so I'm sure a good way to shield myself with humans will develop.

Rich,

 Partnered exploration is certainly a good way to prove the validity of our There experiences. It is, in my opinion, the most challenging of  three methods - and for me the only one I haven't been successful  in checking off the list. The other two methods are 2) travelling to someone still alive and obtaining information from them or about them and 3) visiting someone deceased, gathering info, and validating it  back in the physical (aka Bruce's "Punky" experience)
 
 I have done lots of the 2nd method, running what I call psychic inspection experiments. http://www.mysticalexplorer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

 When I'm lucky I have gotten some afterlife validation from retrievals. PE's, like the ones described in Bruce's  books require strong astral awareness by both parties. Otherwise it becomes a 1-sided deal - more like method #2, which is nothing to sneeze at in terms of validations.

-mike

Mendel!
Nice link and I like your scientific approach.  
Bookmarked it so I can go back to it.

Bruce and friends are on the right track , because as the body of evidence becomes available , and the subject is HANDLED in scientific way ... instead of "sensitive" people hiding and NOT DEVELOPING the Skill-set ... we will be able to help others and have "proof" ... without "negative" labels that usually attends this stuff.  

I would have loved to have 35 years of scientific "awareness" study instead of the backwood's approach I took.  But that is the way of it, that is why most of us are pioneers.  And if we make mistakes , it should be looked at in scientific way and see how we can come closer to "how it really is" .  

I do feel like I'm coming out.  :)

I certainly don't feel everything I experience is real , and most of us don't know if what we experience is 'real' , but it is what we experience, and instead of "hiding" it, or "putting it out as FACT" , it would be alot nicer to say, I don't know if it's real or not, but here it is, and let's see what about it is right and what about it is "not right".  So next time, we can get it alittle better! :)
And the motive to HELP others on astral plane is GREAT Motive... I think not only the scientific approach but also the MOTIVE to help in a meaningful way is what will move this "science" forward.... as I'm sure Bruce feels and demonstrates.    

Hi Mendel! nice website. Richman, welcome again, I sense an honest, open person of good will in you whos hoping to share some things he's not able to share anywhere else.

you're the type of person I wanted to bring in here, to make it safe for you and I hope you continue to stay and feel ok here. its not always a lovely place to be open and sharing  but you certainly seem to be doing quite well. and yes I pick up people's vibes from the written word resonating in the heart. I sense excitement in you, and like I said good will and a desire to learn more about retrievals and explorations. thats all I picked up but it suits me fine as one should always respect privacy of another and there are guides on this board of a nonphysical status to help all of us.
no, I'm not a work horse in spiritual realm either, it has to flow or something is wrong, so I understand when you say something is too much work one shouldn't push it.
in my way of doing stuff, i set an intention and release it. and just keep setting it over again and sooner or later something happens.
but then I've used the imagination and picked up some marvelous things that way, but it should be fun, not work.
you're right, sensitive people will not have a need to bare their souls here, but it's not hiding out exactly, its more as you say we are pioneers developing new talents, and anytime a new sense in the human is developed it undergoes the perfectioning process as we get it right.
even remote viewers, an easier thing to develop, my opinion, it is generally under 50% accuracy for the average person.

some falling into the over 50% accuracy  which is still good. I think Moneagle was in the 90% accuracy. then u wonder who are the experts? lol, are they doing 90% accuracy as well? probably not. logic is fallible in this area.

the fun aspect you speak seems a component of PUL factor we talk about here, or compassion for the suffering, or the stuck who do not necessarily think they are suffering, it is us who project that they are suffering but they may feel the need to move on from something and thats the PUL factor, and it is fun to do this work, to see their joy.

someone who is thinking about you, and you don't want a negative thought, it's easy to shield yourself from others thoughts. for instance walking into a crowded area, like a Walmart, one can pick up limitation thoughts of others which enmasse are disquieting, when people shop they are not always a warm caring bunch of thoughts when it comes to forking over money....you can automatically put up shields by seeing yourself in a bubble, nothing that is unlike PUL can get in there. its the same with PE, nothing unlike PUL is allowed in there but what you want to come in for your good and for another's good only. just thought I'd throw in the shield thing as you mentioned something about it. I've been practicing the shield thing and it's working really good.
and astral traveling and PE is FUN!

love, alysia

Thanks again for the support, much appreciated.

Yesterday I passed when someone fetched me to do Astral Work, said I didn't feel like it, and told him to come back another day.  

When the person came today, a few minutes ago, I did accept the retrieval and the person fetching me said I would probably like this CASE, and I did.  

Was completely different, and got to use "cool"  visualization techique to show the person images ... was a little blurrly , but he got the 'right impression'... and came with us to Building, very cool,  I over-heard some of what the GUY in the Building was telling him, giving him  Options about what he could do their...  the person who fetched me tapped me on shoulder and  I got the impression we were done and we came back very fast.  Very fast retrival,  I don't know if it makes sense, but , I had to hold his hand as we were traveling.

I told guy that fetched me I wouldn't say NO again when he came by next time, it was easier, and I was able to look down and see stuff going from realm to realm.

Completely different GOING as Helper with another HELPER more experienced in these matters.  

Greetings Richman,

You've developed your own vocabulary since you were exploring on your own, whereas most people here use the Monroe/Moen terms to describe their experiences. Forums here called 'Partnered Explorations' and 'Retrievals' seem to both overlap your 'physical-astral pairing' concept. So it's fun to see how the various ways of describing these experiences actually coincide.

Another term that overlaps your experience in a related way but is not exactly equal is 'phasing,' a means of moving out OB and into the spiritual realm of another being; then that pair can combine their energies to go further/farther, faster than usual. It's also fun, but I've never done a retrieval with another discarnate human. You're saying you can meet spirits of either living humans or helpers to do exploring with? Neat!

bets

In past, I went alone into what I termed "pergotory" .... and attempted to help some people, but had very mixed results, mostly not good, with a very few "getting it".  And I attempted to take them into CASUAL realm, which was WAY TOO active for these folks, I realized they needed to take into themselves "spiritual substance" to actually feel comfortable in Causal realm, learned that over time.  

But with NEW way, sounds like the person who fetches me KNOWS more than me about who to go see, and the GUY in Building REALLY knows more and has what appears as "clipboard' and assigns people who are matched as to skills to retrieve people.  I'm new to this aspect of "doing service" and I don't want to attach "labels" yet to what is happening, because I know if I "make a concept" about what I am seeing, it could change what I'm seeing, and doing that "creates ASTRAL stess",  I believe TRUE seeing is very, very RELAXING and "feels" right, and if I put a "wrong" concept onto experience it feels dis-cordant.  

I skipped all the talk that we had in talking to person being retrived as that would take many pages to explain, and didn't feel that was the important thing to say.

Prayer works, since I came to this board and stated I was OPEN to IDEA of Physical-Astral Pairing, and within a day or so, it happened.  It feels like I'm in kindergarden in this area , so I  am just relating what I see and hear trying my best not to interject what "I think" is happening.

richman said: and I don't want to attach "labels" yet to what is happening, because I know if I "make a concept" about what I am seeing, it could change what I'm seeing
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I think this is a good tip for us explorers. thanks! alysia

I find it a bit strange that I am reluctant to take another trip with the guy who is fetching me, because I did have good time yesterday.   Seems like it takes an "energy" that I guess "feels depleted" . Although once I was out and about yesterday , it FELT GREAT!

Figured I am using God's Energy to do this , and God's Energy is unlimited .  

So I don't know what's up.  I support myself for "instinctively" not wanting to go on another "trip" right now.  

I will have to mediate on this latter, and see what's up.

Do you guys sometimes not want to "astral-trip when a HELPER comes to get you.  

It is giving me the feeling like I'm not "doing what I am supposed to be doing" , and I don't like that "feeling".

I will talk to him next time he comes around and see what he suggests about our astral-trip-ing and if he can offer help, but maybe some of my new friends on this board have experience they can share on this subject (using astral energy and how many trips can they take in day without feeling depleted ... maybe it's a Muscle that has to be exercised a little at time ) .  

That's my take, figured maybe just one astral-trip a day with this guy or every 2 days, I don't know , just talking out loud.
 
P.S. I came back a few minutes latter and now adding this bit I forgot all about.  Yesterday after having a GREAT TRIP , during the day 4 or 5 or more "beings" much much smaller almost like "flying sparkingly happy fly-like beings wanted me to go "help others" and I said no.  It felt a little  too much,  they were "buzzing" around me with "smiling-happy-kid-like energy" and all excited that I could "help" them , help others .  I shut that out and just remembered it after a wrote what I wrote.  It wasn't the guy who fetched me that I had trouble with , it was all the others that came , during the day , buzzing around asking me to "help" them too and go with them.  I could tell they were "good" beings, I didn't get "bad" vibe at all. More an excitement energy, but I didnt' feel their excitement at all.

so Richman it seems you want to feel in charge of your excursions, and I don't see why not.

a lot of people might want to be in your shoes, so keep us informed if you will.
myself, I am not so ambitious. I will have a retrieval only on distant occassions. I will obe only once every 90 days or so, and I always try to find out what triggers it.
I can usually trace the obe to a curiosity intention.

nobody fetches me anymore, only in the beginning. now I do have someone I meet regularly just like Monroe had  Inspec.
but this person is physically alive. so, hmm. lifes a mystery :)

Good advice, Thanks.

Since this is "new" way for me to "help", I felt today that I would like to stop it for awhile, since I'm not liking the after effects.  It feels almost like doing too much "physical exercise"  if you weren't exercising for a while.  It's not that exercise is "bad" , but you have to ease into it , very slowly, and make sure it doesn't interfere with other activities.  

Whatever energy I was using to do the traveling the last 2 days did tire me out, so my GUT reaction to not do more stuff yesterday was actually a very WISE thing. I'm learning to trust not only my HEART but my GUT! :)

I'll sit back and learn and read more about it before attempting to do it again.  Thanks for watching over the boards, I'm sure you have helped many people here and other places.

PEACE.

Hi richman,

The kind of tired I get is revived well for me with some citrus juice sweetened with sugar. (And regular meals.) And deep breathing.  It's rather demanding for most of us, I guess.  Using this my spiritual encounters/explorations have gradually increased to several a week.
Perhaps so many is not an advantage, as I do not take time to figure out all I should.  I think we need alot of 'figuring ou' because this realm has been kept a mystery for so long that we have much to learn.  I'm just so thankful that here is such a fine community that supports such involvement!
Happy exploring!
Bets

Took around 48 hours for me to finally have the "LOVE" energy flowing in and out in the way I'm so used to.  Really appreciate going back to my "normal"  "energy circuit".

I realize in past , when I astral traveled I would "always"  feel the "weird type of drain".  The old way of traveling was not "LOVE" based traveling (now that I compare it to NEW awareness) therefore it would use up my psychic energy (which I believed happened a few days ago).  

So until I can figure out or be shown a way to "use this LOVED BASED ENERGY" that I'm trained in and very aware of, I'm suspending "astral travel" using my psychic energy.  

I move through "physical world" using "LOVE" energy , and it's so "cool" compared to old "tension-fear" way of interacting with people, places and things that was negative and dark in "old days".  And my "channel moving method" I'll still use , since I can do that using "LOVE circuit".

Richman said:
"Took around 48 hours for me to finally have the "LOVE" energy flowing in and out in the way I'm so used to.  Really appreciate going back to my "normal"  "energy circuit".  
I realize in past , when I astral traveled I would "always"  feel the "weird type of drain".  The old way of traveling was not "LOVE" based traveling (now that I compare it to NEW awareness) therefore it would use up my psychic energy (which I believed happened a few days ago). "

Thank you, richman, for that reminder! I for one needed to hear it.

bets

richman wrote on May 6^th, 2007 at 11:46am:

Took around 48 hours for me to finally have the "LOVE" energy flowing in and out in the way I'm so used to.  Really appreciate going back to my "normal"  "energy circuit". I realize in past , when I astral traveled I would "always"  feel the "weird type of drain".  The old way of traveling was not "LOVE" based traveling (now that I compare it to NEW awareness) therefore it would use up my psychic energy (which I believed happened a few days ago).   So until I can figure out or be shown a way to "use this LOVED BASED ENERGY" that I'm trained in and very aware of, I'm suspending "astral travel" using my psychic energy.   I move through "physical world" using "LOVE" energy , and it's so "cool" compared to old "tension-fear" way of interacting with people, places and things that was negative and dark in "old days".  And my "channel moving method" I'll still use , since I can do that using "LOVE circuit".

thats good to hear, you already know how PUL energy is superior over any other type of explorations..without that component, I suppose it would be draining on the physical..so you put two and two together quite nicely. I have gone obe for a retrieval once on the energy of gratitude, which I think is strongly related to PUL energy if not the same thing.
I can think of only one time in my life where I was awake the whole night, in a semi conscious state and was drained physically the next morn.
but it was a necessary experience..my sister had died and was trying to contact me that night..she got thru, but I was not able to forgive her that night for what had gone on before she died. much later we worked it out via a mental chat and spirit visit. but yes, I was sleepy the next day, like I had not been able to rejuvenate my body as usual during the night..I had my attention fastened on making contact from dusk to dawn during that particular one time experience.
and yes, there was no PUL involved at that time, I had concern, but no PUL. it was actually her that initiated the adventure that time.

I try to tell everyone I meet how the dead try so hard to get right with the living, if they didn't manage to get right before dying. my sister needed my forgiveness, however I was not so into forgiving as I am today, so, then I figured out, forgiving can lead to understanding PUL energy, as the hurt inside will disappear, the sticky stuff Bruce talks about in his books, the sticky negative stuff will dissolve with the spiritual practice of an old time thing called "giving your self away, as you gave yourself before everything started to get sticky.
now I just have pleasant thoughts of my sister. she really did the best she could with her younger sister, and thats all you can expect. :)

I look forward to hearing more from you Richman.

I will have to read something about PUL energy, can you recommend a book or a link on WEB, went looking and all I found was something you wrote using the term  (I think my search was "PUL out of body")

I had very interesting time for about 2 months, many years ago, I was in depression phase, and my brother had died, he came to visit me and since I wasn't "love" breathing, it was like talking to him around 9pm at night, in twilight time, I could sort of make out outline of him, but , the "cool" thing was he was MENTALLY wide awake, and as he spoke about what was happening, he explained things to me in way that I could "feel" it. Weird having him around me during the day for 2 months from time to time.

My brother told me how I was the only one who could talk to him,  other's seemed to be dreaming, he would try to talk to them and they seemed like they were "going through the motions of doing stuff but in closed loop to him".  It wasn't what he was saying, but , the way he said it, that I could "feel" it or "see it, not from my experience(so had totally different way of seeing stuff from his viewpoint.  

I did tell him about the LIGHT, but he didn't see it, and since I was not 'LIT UP" I could only share how the "Light" exists. He told me he always thought I was "weird or strange" about spiritual stuff, and was surprised that I was the only one that could talk to him.  He was atheist.  He stuck around for 2 months, seeing his "wife" going through grief process, and wanted me to tell her about his experience with me, which I didn't, since I was in "dark' living, non-"LOVE energy, living. He was pissed at me for not "helping his wife", really pissed, and wondered how I could do that. He just couldn't understand my reasoning.  He also related how is "wife" was thinking about committing suiside to be with him.  I just couldn't help in that area , something in me couldn't share my spiritual vision with anyone at that time.  He made me feel like I was "cold-hearted".... which I probably was , since I was depressed.

After 2 months of this type stuff, he grew tired of me, always talking about the "light" , since I was in darkness, and I think he thought I was "bulls@iting him about it".  

Eventually I hit a "darkness-ego-bottom" and did pray sincerely for long time, and LIGHT did flow in and out again as before, and I lit up, and without saying anything to me, he entered into me, and went straight up, and I saw the circular clouds, with white sort of white winged beings, all burry,  as I looked up spiritually, and he was gone, didn't say good-bye or anything.

Maybe six months latter, my brother comes back and he is talking in British accent, appearing very changed, and saying how were we friends in many past lives, and he was with a "group" of people who were studying the Consternation's from vibratory viewpoint, they would "hang out and take in the vibrations of the Consternation's  (star-grouping), sounded cool.  And told me my parents (who died much earlier)  were "working with plants, and sounding them or enjoying the vibrations or music of it, and doing something with them, didn't understand it but it did sound cool, or felt cool as he was telling me about it.  And he thanked me for helping him.

Also, he wasn't angry at all about me not "helping" his wife as he had wanted, got the sense, that his wife had used him or something like that , like he was a puppet under her, and they weren't connected in deeper way, he explained it, but I didn't understand it. Almost felt like he was saying she wasn't part of his group, something like that.  

Bless you, richman,

for sharing your incredible (Not!) experiences with your brother! Well, you already have been blessed, of course  :). You are incredibly rich !

When you immersed yourself in PUL (that's the way we'd say it after reading BMoen) you were able to bring that vibration to your brother and you 'retrieved' him! You brought his vibrational rate/sense of love up to the point that he could be lifted.  That's what Moen's retrievers do!  Isn't it wonderful !?  I don't see why everyone is not doing it, it really is fantastic!

So here is another confirmation of all Bruce has written of, from someone who hasn't read his books.

richman, PUL is Bruce's term for the pure unconditional love that you experience as the Light and LOVE. They're all the same, but even though you are already experiencing them, I think you would enjoy Bruce's reports too. Amazon has his books. Some suggest starting with the last one, Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook, not that you need it, but the earlier ones will show you more of how and why he came to his later conclusions.

I'm very happy for you---and happy for anyone who gets to hear of your experience!

Love, Bets

Richman this is an awesome verification of experience.  And Bets, yes, this then is a good understanding of retrieval.

We read St. Peter 1 :4
5:  Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6:  For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

And studying Rudolf Steiner he tells us; the so called dead draw near to us to absorb our thoughts so that they may also obtain spiritual nourishment and understand the path of the light.  Steiner does say it is our family blood group which may only draw close to those on earth.  

What is interesting about your experience Richman is you both needed one another; he gave to you and you gave to him.  You opened your heart to love and through this your brother found peace.  Amazing.

Thanks for writing this for us Richman, it is very special.

Lots of love to you both.

:)

 Impressing reports Richman. You're really on an exciting way!

 You said: "LIGHT did flow in and out again as before, and I lit up"; recently, in meditation I've got the "knowing" that, to get closer to God, I first had to empty myself of blockades, and I practice it, feeling expanded over the boundaries of my physical body, opening my body for a flow, mainly in head-feet direction. Feels good.
 I know what you mean when you say:  
  "I move through "physical world" using "LOVE" energy , and it's so "cool" compared to old "tension-fear" way of interacting with people, places and things that was negative and dark in "old days"."
 , though this feeling is not there with me all the time, so I have to practice some more.

Thanks, Spooky

This may be a dumb question to you guys here but I am new to all of this and have done alot of reading here on your boards and I would like to know what PUL is? It keeps coming up. I have to say that all of the reading I have done has really given me a sense of peace and love. Very comforting. Thanks so much!

I'm in same situation as I was in 3 or 4 days ago. But at least I'm asking questions and "thinking" out-loud with you guys.

Here goes:  Those 4-5 tinnie-tiny beings are still buzzing around me, and I am talking to them.
They say they are "angels" ... and they were sent to me to go with them into SOUL plane and help some "people" there.  I think what we say is ASTRAL , they seem to prefer the word "soul".  They are not "angry" at me for not going with them, but they are not leaving either.  

I tell them I don't want to go with them, and they say ok, they will just stay until I change my mind.  

Yesterday was GREAT, got a chance to hang out at one of the parks I go to, and my animal friends really were excited to see me, it was "party" time, even a "crow" hung out with me , surrounded by all my friends. LOVE the animals.  So my heart felt very good.

The Head Park Ranger had told me to stay away for week or so, because he thought the "seagulls" were not leaving to go to OCEAN because they wanted to be with me, and I agreed to stay away for week or so. The seagulls did leave so I could come back.  I had told him I just thought it was that the whether was probably causing the delay but he thought it wise for me to stay away.  My friends the seagulls I can connect with them, they look at me and I look at them, and instantly they do what I suggest, BUT I can't tell who is directing who, them me or me them. Very cool, but it's done in LOVE, and I give them complete freedom.  So NO CONTROL issues, each  type animal  I relate in different way.

So I was happy to see my animal friends yesterday.

As to the "angel" business, I'll wait a day, check with you guys , but it is weird having them buzzing around me.  Tiny-tinnie ,  I can zoom my 3rd eye on them and they get much bigger, but in physical-awareness with 3rd eye just regular focused very small.  

I do see regular angels at times, usually in parks, and they step from behind trees once in while, and I can tell they are watching over "animals" , and they "like" me, I can feel their energy, because I like the animals.  I see "negative" vibe come out of some of them, if humans are not treating the animals nicely.  

When I was 7 or 8 years old, I would feel "terrible" if I mis-used any animal, or killed it, and that "feeling" is the energy they throw out on "people" who mis-treat animals.  I see it.  And they send "nice" energy to people that are looking out for them, without controlling "animals".

Anyway, my concern is I don't want to leave into "soul" or astral plane, using my energy.  They say I do have to leave the physical body to go with them, instead of regular "channel moving".  So delimma, I don't want to feel like "sh#t" the next day , although the 2 retrevals out of body with guy that fetched me went great.  I told guy that fetched me a few days ago, I would stop for a while and he said no problem.  He has not been back since, at least I can't sense him around.  

These "little" guys (angels) sure are happy little fellows. :)

p.s. Just wanted to add that they said, they can't leave until they complete their assignment. I asked if "GOD" sent them, and they said "yes, sort of , I can tell they didn't like the "concept" of GOD that I used, in referring to GOD.  They seemed to have "non-form concept of GOD" and it didn't seem to have any "forcing" intent in it.  They don't seem to be in any hurry , either, they like watching me, and it could be that their "happy-smilie attitude" is what is making me feel so good, in addition to my regular "love' breathing.  They "like" me, and I can feel it.  Nice guys! :)

p.s.s.  I should add that 4 years ago, a very LOVING BEING told me to go hang out with the 'animals" and tell them "help" was on the way. I was to be ambassador to them, and this LOVING BEING told me , humans were supposed to "take care of the animals" or "tend to them",  not turn them into slaves, or mis-treat them.  And this LOVING BEING showed me "pictures" of past, horrible pictures of "humans" hurting animals, made me cry. And I told LOVING BEING to please stop because it hurts my heart so much.  And I did what that LOVING BEING said, and I tell the animals "GOD LOVES them and help is on the way". ONE final thing LOVING BEING said, is that the day is coming, when scientist will find out 'animals talk" and on that day, HUMANS will be gnashing and tearing their hair out, realizing what we have done to our "younger brothers and sisters".  Just thinking about what that LOVING BEING said, still makes me "cry", but in good way.

Hi Richman,
what if you would try go OBE with the little swirling angels, but with that love energy you discovered? I guess this good energy you can take with you everywhere. Maybe you take a little extra-charge of it before OBE, and after it you take care to discharge you from any negative emotion you might have picked up on an adventurous journey, just a thought.
It's good to hear you feel and care so much for animals and nature.

Spooky

I worried for no reason, turns out.  

It was very quick trip, went "someplace" with 4 "angels" surrounding me , taken to room and some people entered room, and meeting started, "i started blurting stuff out, and was told to quiet my mind".  Then main guy took a vote as to whether I was ready for something (had no clue what) , and 3 guys raised their hands (implying I'm ready) , and 2 didn't , and I saw my Hand go up, but I "blurted out, that I was weak , and didn't think I was ready" , and the 2  people that didn't raise their hands, then raised them.  And meeting ended, and I was brought back. But I have no idea what they think I'm ready for, or anything, it's beyond my "mind-knowing".  Why did I raise my Hand , when I was 'thinking I wasn't ready", sub-conscious movement but without hesitation.

Richman, maybe you are connected to the nature kingdom and these tiny angels are like elementals. I read about elementals and devas but I'm not able to give you that much insight.
you can look up the nature kingdom on the internet.
let us know what you decide to do if you will.

oh, lol, u posted the same time as me. hi!!  that sounds interesting, so now you know it looks like you don't feel ready, and they are letting you know it's your choice to make with all the hands held up. well, there's no rush to be "ready" is there?
take your perfect time.  looks like retriever school to me! love, alysia

Could be!

I get the feeling that the shift from head to heart that I went through a number of years ago, is now switching down into GUT.

I believe my GUT is what raised my HAND in that meeting, and the other 2 guys raised their hand after seeing my HAND go up.  

When I am in Park with animals, my head is quiet, very quiet, last number of years. But I was centered in Heart, and feeling LOVE.

Now, the last month or so, my Center seems to be my GUT!  And my head is even more "removed" from "understanding" what's going on.  

My "GUT" took me to this site, and my GUT took me on astral trips last week.  So , could be retriever school, my head doesn't know.  

Since my GUT is more active , people seem to respond to me better, and even some animals that I didn't relate to before, seem to "sense" me, and I sense them more.  Feels like a good thing.  

Also, "freedom" means more to me, that others should be "free" , and respecting "all beings" and allowing them "freedom" ... knowing the "LAW" is always operating.  This is "freeing" up lots of "energy" I formally wasted before.

I'm not sure they are nature beings, that would be a different CHANNEL for me.  I use to deal with the elemental beings 25 years ago for a year or 2.  Many years ago, gnomes,fairies, elf's, and dragons, Pan, little people, very interesting stuff.  They are amazing beings, and they can talk your ear off with stories for days on end.  Loved going to fairy castles , and all the adventures I would go on in that realm.  In that realm , humans are considered "sleeping giants", and they would call me some term meaning I was "dense" or "slow-witted" ,  humans were put to sleep by dark forces.  They await the day when we wake up again, because we are "dragon slayers" in that realm, and we were once "warriors" , until the darkness came.  

the community I was with , got wiped out in attack, and I have not seen my "friends" in many, many years.  I don't think you die in that realm, but you go un-conscious, if that makes sense.  I was told that many communities exist, and almost seems like that realm looks like "middle ages, with building and stuff from that period.

P.S. I should add, that every once in a while , I can see my "body" in that realm is in belly of dragon, I move a little, than go unconscious again.  I just remembered that, I would sense this, every 4-8 years , roughly, just  a stirring of very brief consciousness, than , fast asleep again.

P.S.S.  Last thing I remembered, was everyone was running around ,saying we were under attack , beings were running around and doing stuff, then I blacked out, so I really don't know what happened, I don't remember seeing anything hitting me and I really don't know if anyone survived, they were preparing for some attack for a few days or weeks, that is when that CHANNEL went dark.

Hi Shelbert.  PUL is pure unconditional love.  It runs through all of consciousness but we have to be open to it.  You can't hold on to it but just receive it and give it.  I think in part you're experiencing it because you say you've been a sense of peace and love and comfort.  I think your question got overlooked because of Richman's fascinating experiences. Love - Rob

Thank you Rob. I appreciate your response. It is very interesting reading the posts here. I have been very enlightened. I am very interested in learning this stuff and how to do it too. I am just getting started so if you have any suggestions I would appreciate them. Thanks so much!  :)

I remember a little more, they were saying a STORM was approaching, I do remember looking up and seeing DARK CLOUDS rolling in , that had Fire in the clouds, looked menacing,  I was in what appeared a FORT or Castle not clear ,  I was not at WALL , I remember thinking, those CLOUDS are sure coming in FAST.

I remember the name that they used to call me, "LUG-head" ,  I didn't like the name, but they said it with "affectation" , generally,  some thought I was a little slow.  They had respect for me , too, but more in my Potential, not as I was, but what I could be. Memories from over 25 years ago.  I made some really nice "friends" there, funny how you can forget stuff on other CHANNELS.

I remember one 1 foot appearing guy, he would sit on my shoulder as I walked around at times, a real buddy, who talked to me like buddy would, cracking jokes all the time, and I could feel he really liked me (even though he could sometimes hurt my feelings, when he made jokes about me, but I could feel warm feeling coming from him, so I knew it was not joking to really hurt me).  Many adventures with him, forget what he was exactly, but moved with 5 or more others on trips.  He would fill me in on customs and how to address different class beings.  He wasn't on my shoulder all the time, but just sometimes, and I have memory of that. They knew about love long before I did.

P.S. It's coming back to me, only the guy on shoulder addressed me as "lug-head" , others didn't refer to me by that name.  It was that guys buddy name for me.  Just wanted to clarify as the memory became a little clearer.  
Many Channels are coming back to my MEMORY, I have been asleep on many CHANNELS for many, many years. I feel as though I was on those CHANNELS from the "head" center, will be interesting if I go back from GUT CENTER.  Don't know, it's unfolding , moment by moment.

Hi again Shelbert.  I know that I've benefited a lot from this conversation board.  For hanging around here, probably the best place to start is with Bruce Moen's and Robert Monroe's books.  There's a thread titled "books" started by Kroan in the book club pages under Voyages Into the Unknown.  You might want to read through that.

Rob

Hi Rob, Thanks for the info. I will definately get those books. Thanks so much!  :)