Hi I went to the spiritualist church and the medium there came to this woman ,who was in the audience and the medium said to her,that he had this man who was in spirit and he was hiding behind the veil and he was saying that he felt so bad about what he had done to her that he could not come away from hiding behind the veil and the medium then said to this woman that this spirit wanted her forgiveness and that he was truly sorry for what he had done.

This woman shouted at the medium and said "Tell him to go away ,i do not want him here,i will never forgive him" and the medium looked sad and he said that he had gone,so sometimes even the death of someone you shared life with does not always receive forgiveness from the one he or she has left behind,he had felt remorse on the spirit plain ,but it did not matter to her on the physical plain.

Love and God bless  Love Juditha

Ooh, that is very interesting Juditha.

We have been discussing hell, here, and I have not got much
information on justice in the afterlife. We know about the life
review, in which a person gets judged. There is some on that in the
Near Death Experiences. But there is not much about being sent
somewhere for punishment. There are stories of being rescued from
hell-like places as a result of prayer. Like some people find
themselves in hell-like places by mistake.

But here you are describing a case of a man not trapped in hell, to
the extent that he can move around and come to a spirit church, to
beg for forgiveness. But he does not get it, and is now doomed to
wander in the afterlife, consumed by guilt.

I am somewhat encouraged by this, in that it says that there is a
sense of right and wrong in the afterlife. There are some parts of
New Age thinking that are morally confused, as if they did not know
right from wrong, or good from evil. But here is a case of a spirit
who knew he was wrong.

I hope you will continue to report such things. In places where we
"dont have a clue", these are clues, and I watch for them.

With love,
Boris

Hi Juditha-
I disagree, Boris, because the man has had a change of heart. That will free him. What has actually happened is that the woman who refused to forgive is now stuck with hauling all her nastiness and bile around until she is willing to let it go and forgive him.

Whenever we encounter a person with some kind of attached ailment that defies medical interpretation, it's a pretty good bet that it's stuck on by karma. The essence of the karma is generally the refusal to forgive what happened to us. That means that to keep the pain we have to keep the injury, and because we keep the injjury we suffer and feel hostile, and the justification for the hostility is that we feel pain, so to keep the pain we are forced to keep the injuiry ... and round and round and round it goes. You know what they say - some would rather reign in hell then submit to heaven.

For some reason people seem to feel that when I forgive someone it's a favor that I am doing for them. This might be true in a trivial manner, but the biggest winner is the person who does the forgiving, because that means that everything can now be let go. Forgiveness is one of the most powerful cures we have. Too bad that she failed to recognize it.

d

You got it Dave!

Forgiveness doesn't just mean forgiving when there's a little to forgive, but when there's everything to forgive.  Forgiveness truly ends karma. This is the gift of salvation.

Dave says it like it is, most accurately to the point.

No one actually needs to seek forgiveness from anyone else (interpersonal karma of relationships inevitably needs to be balanced, but this is not forgiveness by itself), nor does anyone actually need to forgive anyone else. (Because when one is finally able to see clearly spiritually, and lovingly, it is not the other person (eg. perpetrator or transgressor against you in the past) who needs your forgiveness (there is nothing to forgive), it is only yourself.)


Perpetrator/Transgressor : "I seek your forgiveness."

(The being who has reached a point of 'enlightenment' (ie. the never-ending process of adding light, clarity, love or evolution to oneself), awareness and evolution) :
"There is nothing to forgive, other than (both of us) forgiving (ie. learning and growing from, then letting go) of the energy (including pain, suffering, mistakes, etc) of the past karma, the past karmic relationship play that both of us had agreed and chosen to participate in. I *more* than forgive you (because there is nothing about you that I need to forgive; you do not need my, nor anyone's, forgiveness; you only need your own), I *love* you."

Love is the ultimate forgiveness. Or put in another way; in Love, there is no need even for any 'forgiveness'.

Lily Fairchilde's "Voices from the Afterlife" on a story of Forgiveness & Love from two souls whose stories are intertwined with, about and for each other. Their stories are told from their perspective now in the afterlife. Author Lily Fairchilde clairvoyantly and telepathically mediates.

Michael (pg 92 - 102)
Li (pg 103 - 111).
Voices from the Afterlife : http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/LilyFairchilde/index.htm


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The angels said of Michael and Li, "Forgiveness is the beginning of all healing. It is the source of true freedom and enlightenment. Without total forgiveness of self (and therefore others), there can never be the complete immersion of a soul in true unconditional Love."

Also, see Hilarion and Sananda (Jesus Christ) on Love & Forgiveness as the *purpose* of Karma :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_JesusChristSananda_On_Love.htm

I'm in much agreement with regards to the power of forgiveness.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I agree with Dave too.

I'm sad for the lady in Juditha's post.  Gosh, what a burden to carry in one's heart.  :'(

Yes,
but despite that lady's knee-jerk reaction to her rather surprising encounter,
she is not stuck in her words. She can reconsider and deal with her mistake.
Sort of like it was an invitation to forgive that she chose to defer until later.

One would have to go into a spiritualist session with an open heart to avoid such a situation--- an open heart and a cautious mind, perhaps?  :)

But then she affected alot of people with her outcry. Perhaps they would also have to know of her change of heart?

Bets

Kyo is 100% correct that there is nothing that needs to be done because we know in advance that it all comes out OK simly because God does it all.

BUT - when I hurt someone, like my wife whom I deeply love, I feel really bad. They often feel pretty bad too, and if it's my wife, she lets me know it.

Of course it will work out. Time wounds all heels. :-)  (Of course we call it karma here.)

But it's nicer to make peace and restore love by a deliberate action. I don't like being at odds with folks, but I love making up - in fact I make up by loving - and that's a good activity with a good payoff for all involved.

In my psychological practice, the essence of therapy very often is as simple as forgiveness, allowing love to flow where hatred and discomfort flowed before.  It gets rid of aches and pains, frustrations and confusion and helps us sleep better.

And, as Bets pointed out, that's still an available option.
PUL, lady
dave

Hi Thanks to all of you for what you have written as when i was there at the spiritualist church listening to it ,i felt really sorry for that spirit ,because i was seeing in my mind him standing and looking afraid behind this veil and so desperate for her forgiveness and i felt his sadness he was feeling , as i am a practising medium.

I felt as well that she should have let go of the feelings she had built up inside her and forgiven him as i felt he needed this to move on,which is what he was really looking for.

I heard these words once that said "Forgiveness is the most beautiful act of love,you could ever do" and these words were said by this man,who was Jewish.

Love and God bless     Love Juditha

Kyo

Is Lily Fairchilde an actual person or is that a pen name for some one(s)?

I remember a story of another Jewish man who was willing to forgive a lot of abuse too, "For they know not what they do."

d

Hi Dave    Jesus ,when he said those words " For they know not what they do" meant so much for all of us to know that there is always room for forgiveness in our hearts towards our fellow man,he was such a beautiful spirit to have walked on the earth plain.

Love and God bless    Love Juditha

Lucy

That is unknown. From a search on the internet, it appears 'Lily Fairchilde' did not author any other books.


Lucy wrote on Apr 21^st, 2007 at 11:52am:

Kyo Is Lily Fairchilde an actual person or is that a pen name for some one(s)?

Kyo

Thanks.

To me, this is a really peculiar and puzzling thing. The book is well-written, and expresses itself with unusual clarity. And given its presentation, I don't understand why more people here have not read it, as it addresses many of the questions people who post here like to raise.

Yet I don't know of any other author of this calibre on whom I can't find more information. And the book is not old, and has references to contemporary life (computers, description of a gas stop in the midwest, stuff like that) that make it current. Do you have a physical copy of the book? Sometimes books have blurbs about the author. Does that one?

Though if this is just one person, I could understand why she would avoid publicity and hide her identity, for privacy.

The funny thing is , the Lily Faichilde is written well enough to use the examples she gives as a place to start a discussion. In Chapter 17, she is writing about spirit possession, but the description is so vivid it makes me think of applying it to a situation I have at work, where, as far as I can tell, we are all still quite living! We are having a problem with one of our co-workers who has attained a measure of power. She is addicted to her power, and Fairchilde's description of the two possessing spirits, in Chapter 17, talking about how their addictions became a substitue for thier longing for union with God, makes me think of this coworker and her addiction to her power, and somehow provides insight into a living situation. I'm not one for letting people off the hook by claiming they are possessed by malevolent (or misguided) spirits, but still it somehow provides a frame of reference for understanding the sorrow people must feel deep within themselves to adopt behaviors that are so destructive.

And the unforgiving lady in Juditha's post seems also to be cutting herself off from union with God. It's all the same story, isn't it? We all make the same mistake, just in different ways!

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I don't understand why more people here have not read it.

Yes indeed, it's an excellently written, most loving book that I'd recommend to *everyone* to read, regardless of varying personal beliefs. [{non-profit plug alert]} Go read it now if you've not yet done so, folks!

Voices from the Afterlife :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/LilyFairchilde/index.htm



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Do you have a physical copy of the book? Sometimes books have blurbs about the author. Does that one?

Yes I do, and no, it doesn't have any info on the author. She first published her (apparently only) book, "Voices from the Afterlife" in 1997. Nothing else has been heard of her ever since.

Kyo her anonymity intrigues me. The amazon page has some info from a back cover of one version. It says she lives in Santa Fe and does workshops. But you can't find any other info. It was published 10 years ago but still you'd think one could find something on her. Book was also published under another title.

US SEARCH says that it has two addresses in Santa Fe NM
for a J Jill Fairchilde.
I assume I would have to be a member of US Search to get those adresses. There is a fee.
However, a library near here has phone books for the whole USA,
so I will check there next time I go there.

This is the best book I have read in a long time.
If I were a teacher, this book would be required reading for the
course, maybe the first on the list.

Boris and Kyo

One of the reviewers of Fairchilde's book mentioned that he knew her, and since he listed his web page, I took the liberty of contacting him, and he kindly responded.

Somehow I am not surprised by his answer. He no longer knows how to contact her either. But it sounds like she probably wants to be reclusive and private. Maybe she is busy with other stuff. He refers to her as "half human, half spirit guide." Apparently she is as special in person as one would guess she is from reading the book (I think you both know what I mean! but you have to read the book to understand that!). Still, it would be interesting to go back in time and attend one of those workshops she apparently used to give. If you ever find out who she is let me know! (I think "Lily Fairchilde" might be a pen name but the guy didn't say that although he used a different given name for her: Serenity).

Great topic and very interesting what happened in that spirit church.

My take is , GEE, I hope the Medium and others in the place were "teaching" the shy spirit that he was doing a GREAT THING to ask for forgiveness and explain that "he" doesn't NEED her forgiveness to move on and BE HAPPY.  And to encourage "him" to make a commitment to make it up to her in future the BEST that he could.  Also, tell the "spirit" to take his "eyes" off the woman and look to the "light". :)  

The meeting helped the WOMAN to realize people are still alive after death and that is positive and people should have compassion for the WOMAN because forgiveness takes time and needs to be explained in a way that she is doing the forgiveness for HER FREEDOM and not his freedom.

It should have been a GREAT event , everybody appauding the Spirit for asking for forgiveness, would have Lighted-him up alot.  And people offer support to Woman and allow her time to go through the forgiveness process.  I know if you chopped up my child into pieces and you came to me 1 week later and asked for my forgiveness... sorry, but I'm not ready yet. And to make fun of me because I'm not willing to forgive you yet, would be adding more pain on the wound.  

Great topic and I love what everyone is saying. My 2 cents.

Lucy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2007 at 10:44am:

(I think "Lily Fairchilde" might be a pen name but the guy didn't say that although he used a different given name for her: Serenity).

I wanted to point out that the last bit is particularly beautiful and appropriate for her, for the name "Serenity" befits her (soon or intimately approaching) Homo sapiens serenissimus (or Serenissimus for short) evolutiological status; also the evolutiological level that some call the "Ascended Masters".

Serenissimus = "The Serene Ones". That is the one common trait that all highly evolved souls or beings (human or otherwise) share. Serenity in Oneness of Love.