Came across the Urantia Book recently. Read only a bit..it's quite large. It says that
jesus was really michael the archangel in disguise. Funny that, as the jehovah
witnessess believe this also. Has anybody, read, studied, have opinions on this
particular gem of spirituality...Regards. Gman .

I sold my Urantia book for the reason you mention, it weighs a ton and not one joke is in it!

I do think it's quite possible Arch.Angel Michael and JC were the same entity. A spirit may have many identities especially an enlightened being.

I started reading about the races of Earth in the Urantia, but it was just too much for me. apparently we all come from different star systems.

love, alysia

I looked at it in a book store for a while and didn't get the feeling it was worth investing in.

On another forum a person who seems trustworthy states that it is racist. Some groups of people are more evolved than other groups of people. I really don't need to waste my time on books that emphasize such things.

I wonder how much money it earned for the writers. Sometimes books have lots of pages because it provides a bigger chance for the authors to brainwash the people who read it.

you mean in the same way like the bible brainwashed people thru the ages Albert? :)
every book is a brainwash my opinion, even mine.

love, alysia

DaBears wrote on Apr 12^th, 2007 at 1:21pm:

LaffingRain wrote on Apr 12th, 2007 at 1:01pm: you mean in the same way like the bible brainwashed people thru the ages Albert? :) every book is a brainwash my opinion, even mine. love, alysia Exactly, the bible has racism and bigotry in it as well.. :)

What are people suggesting? That people drop one form of brainwashing, take on another form of brainwashing, and then call themselves more enlightened than people who are brainwashed with the former?

Jesus didn't speak so he could brainwash people. So don't compare him with sources that try to brainwash people. Not even sources that identify themselves as being Christian.

our perceptions color what we read...doesn't matter what we read. and I'm suggesting whatever we read, even the bible has to be read front front to back before an intelligent conversation with others can take place.
I'm sure the Urantia book has some truth to it. I'm basically saying I choose not to impose such a large ponderous book upon myself, even if theres is a gem in it. I just don't pretend to know that.
as far taking someone's opinion that Urantia has racism in it, I disagree. each race is assigned  a particular gift for the world; I don't call this racism.

sigh...so many books...so little time!  in our hearts, we are one. Any other thought that we are divided is an allusion..and our brainwashing begins with the moment you pop out of the womb by our parents...so c'mon Albert, lighten up! it's only life!

or I should say what we percieve is only what we perceive..not the whole truth.
listen to love, listen to your heart when you read something and don't over analyze.

love, alysia

Alysia:

I hope you're right and I should lighten up. I'll let you know when I find out. :)

Thanks for you input folks....I had the same feelings when I browsed through it.
.....I thought the person(s) who complied it wanted to start their own 'religion',
but some things rang true. Mix truth and fact, a ploy used down the ages in many
spiritual books including the bible...Seemed it backfired on the author(s) as there
are only a few study groups around discussing  their ideas and writings. I was
also told it was started and finished in the 1930's-50's. Not sure?....gman.

LaffingRain wrote on Apr 12^th, 2007 at 3:48pm:

as far taking someone's opinion that Urantia has racism in it, I disagree. each race is assigned  a particular gift for the world; I don't call this racism. love, alysia

It's true, I feel there is a racist element to the Urantia book.

It talks of eugenics and achieving purity of the races by only allowing "superior" races to freely reproduce.

Besides eugenics, quotes like this feel racist: " The (christian) church, because of overmuch false sentiment, has long ministered to the underprivilged and the unfortunate.... leading to the unwise perpetuation of racially degenerate stocks".  ::)

I don't need to read the entire book to know that it's got hooey in it.

We all need to think and experience for ourselves. I certainly don't want anyone taking my own impressions as gospel truth. But like you say, so many books... so little time!

There are far better books out there to spend your time with.

I.M.O.H.O.  :)

G-man, take my words with a grain of salt :) I'm just telling you what I felt, and what I feel is not always correct..but Urantia was so far out there for me personally that I concluded, right or wrong, as I don't know, that this book was written by aliens with the total left brain mentality and far beyond mine.
I think we do have aliens among us, but I'm speaking of the good kind who wish to help mankind get out of the atomic age where we could still start a war with our weapons should someone get in power with a hair trigger finger. I think we're beyond that. and I hope so.
also Urantia book is heavy left brained, I'm right brained artist type, thats why I begged off. and if they wanted to start a cult or get money, it didn't work as you can see, so I really don't think that was a motive due to its beyond the common layman to read.
the only way you can sell books is to make it understandable to the man in the street.
love, alysia



lol Tim, those darn racist aliens! haha! no wonder their cross breeding with us. what a strange world. glad my child bearing years are over..

You make me laugh Alysia, man!

just beaming love at ya, buckets full, a whole waterfall, toes in the ocean...

you inspire and light me up

I will never forget you, not in a million years.

Love always, Tim

thanks Tim..here you are.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/_by_darkmoon3636.gif

 
I have a memory like an elephant too and you're in it  ;)

Thanks guys...I understand your replies...Thanks...If it was really channeled, it surely came
from 'dead' aliens still polluting the Astral Planes....especially the earthbound zone. If not,
..just a person wanting to play GOD!? and to be loved he missed out on in the physical plane.
...Hmmm. Sounds like what Berserk might do when he wanders the base F-Levels and lower
regions, trying to convince those(physical and astral  beings) with sensitive and common dispositions, his personal concordance on christian lore...Regards..Gman
     

 Hmm, well the Urantia book doesn't float my boat, but i do find a middle path when approaching the subject of genetics and its relation to nonphysical energies.   So far, the opinions expressed seem to be rather one sided and extreme on this whether from Urantia or from individual posters here.  

  What are genetics?  What is the body?  How do these relate to nonphysical energies?   Is "below" a reflection of "above"?  Doesn't like attract and beget like ever?  

 If you understand these questions, you will understand that the physical body and genetics plays a role in things, if only in a sense somewhat indirectly.  Does this mean that one race or group of people are somehow "better" than another?  

  No, but there are differences in vibrations, there are slower and faster vibratory levels relatively speaking, just as Venus is much faster vibrating than her brother Mars.   Does this make Venus "better" than Mars?   No, they are both important and necessary within a totality of energy, of One field of connectedness.  There is no better or lesser when viewed from that perspective, however their are also many shades of gray within that One field at the same time, there are "differences" though there is no true separation.  

 So, back to genetics, as we sow in this plane, we reap.  God does not declare a chosen people, but a peoples by their very way of living can show the Creative Forces that they are willing to be a channel for same.    Such as happened with the Essenes and the Christ child who was the fastest vibratory BODY and Consciousness to be born into the Earth.  

 How did the Essenes acheive this then?  Through a perfect balancing of the different energy systems of the body, mind, and of spirit.    In a sense, they practiced "Eugenics", but rather a spiritual Eugenics with the ideal at the center that "God is not mocked, for what a man or peoples sow, they reap" and that "all force is One".  

 And so they went to work for centuries concentrating on strengthening and harmonizing the body physical, the body mental, and the Spirit.    Diet, prayer, meditation, right action, etc. led to more and more subtle and faster vibrating physical bodies (healthier and more vital) which would naturally become clearer channels to attract such a one as the Christ for Like attracts Like.  

  Any group or race of people could accomplish this be they black, white, yellow or what not, if they held to certain ideals and lived those ideals from a holistic perspective.     Yet, even now do not the races represent different things metaphysically--do not they not each represent a major Earthly Chakra which corresponds to one of the 5 first Chakras (the last two being primarily mental and spiritual in vibration and not related to any races now)?  Do not the majority of those Souls incarnated in those races run to those streams of vibration?    Doesn't each country, each nation, each city, each town, each family, each individual all have their own unique vibrational patterns which distinguishes one from another?   One field connected to an ever expanded field though.

 Some say a new "root race" is developing among the sons of men, some say certain E.T's are and have always been involved in this process of refining the animal nature of our bodies to a more cosmic vibration.   Do you think they do this for their own good, or ours?  

  Perhaps those "some" are deluded, but something tells me while some specific teachings, authors or what not, are a bit off here or there, there is a grain of truth to such whisperings here and there.  

 Problem with Urantia is that it seems to imply that some races are somehow innately superior to another, when this is not the case, there are differences but one is not superior, and they are one, and Souls are not bodies ever but bodies are reflections of what Soul has done with its energies in relation to the physical.

 The Essenes had it right, and had the right balance with the necessary spiritual ideals of Oneness at the core, otherwise if one loses sight of that most important part of the equation, then one can become a frankenstein in the desire to create a "superior" race apart from others.   All races, all souls, all bodies are meant to become ever faster vibrating in nature, and when this happens on a physical level, this increases the receptiveness to the faster vibrating "area" of the field of consciousness.  

 We should be seeking instead to improve all races, to give each indivdiual the necessary information to improve his or her lot, so that hopefully this will spread through the family, the communitees, the groups, the culture, and so on.  

 But if humans continue to live so unbalancedly while in physical, disregarding their temple and polluting it both mentally, spiritually, and physically, through the ever present law of like attracts and begets like, this will continue to breed slow vibrating and dense bodies which by their inherent nature are harder to raise the overall vibrations of!    And no race currently is completely free of this imbalance, but there are pockets here and there within different races who are approaching the more Godly and holistically balanced way and these will be the channels of the Children of Light in the near future after the changes culminate.  

Some have already come to prepare the way, and more will be coming, and more are awakening within and creating themselves in the likeness of the Children of Light.  

 Not a black and white subject by any means... ;)  



 

AhSo! said: but there are pockets here and there within different races who are approaching the more Godly and holistically balanced way and these will be the channels of the Children of Light in the near future after the changes culminate.
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yes, I believe this. thanks Justin.

 Your welcome Alysia.

It seems strange, but i haven't seemed to found any other person out there who is fascinated with the idea of how genetics relates to consciousness and the evolution of the body physical towards that of what Bob Monroe called H plus humans in about a thousand years or so.  

 Some of my own communications with E.T.'s (mostly via dream state) also indicate that some groups are working towards this end, trying to refine the human body to be able to handle more and more pure Light frequencies.  You can't send a high ampage and voltage current through a system which is only designed to handle so much at a time.  Yet, we have to do our part as well.

 Just for an example, having a child more out of lust and not mutual love, tends to create slower vibrating bodies which tends to attract "younger" Souls (who tend to be more self/other destructive in the Earth), which then perpetuates the cycle until some brave and unusually strong Soul breaks it.

AhSoLaoTsuAhhOmmra link=1176336624/15#16 date=1176996930]  Your welcome Alysia.

It seems strange, but i haven't seemed to found any other person out there who is fascinated with the idea of how genetics relates to consciousness and the evolution of the body physical towards that of what Bob Monroe called H plus humans in about a thousand years or so.
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keep an eye on the kids Justin. you will notice the fresh views there. also I don't think linear anymore personally. I think alternate realities. in that way, the future exists right alongside dimensionally speaking, this particular time frame we are in.
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 Some of my own communications with E.T.'s (mostly via dream state) also indicate that some groups are working towards this end, trying to refine the human body to be able to handle more and more pure Light frequencies.  You can't send a high ampage and voltage current through a system which is only designed to handle so much at a time.  Yet, we have to do our part as well.
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you're right, a high ampage current can aid or kill; the recepticle tank, the physical organism can receive the higher frequencies only when it has been emptied out first of thoughts, emotions which don't serve the higher good. this is how we do our part, so we can receive the higher frequencies of light. to keep our channels open through our desire to serve the forces of light, which is PUL energy rather than dissention, division and condemnation of one another.
on another note, we can only speak personally. I have been monitoring my energy body which permeates the cellular mass. :D  I call this influx of energy that is upon the Earth now, a shift in consciousness. I find its a steadily increasing phenonmenom that each will express in their own way. for my part, I found the influx is physcial too. I can no longer sit at the computer for hours but i am required by this energy to get up and dance. lol.
its a happy circumstance though. it appears each cell of the body is desiring movement and the feeling of total aliveness is what I wish to impress is part of the shift, within the body. I used to be quite the thinker and not value the physical part of me, the body..I had bought some religious values, the body was sinful. I throw that away now, that we come to this earth to experience being physical. therefore I think back on our previous conversations about the body, and I support your endeavors now to focus on your physical expression, not to the exclusion of mental and emotional, but it should have equal time, as the body can indeed become spiritualized.
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 Just for an example, having a child more out of lust and not mutual love, tends to create slower vibrating bodies which tends to attract "younger" Souls (who tend to be more self/other destructive in the Earth), which then perpetuates the cycle until some brave and unusually strong Soul breaks it.[/quote]
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you're right, like attracts like, and a child should not be conceived in lust or by accident, but the ideal situation to attract higher evolved souls to this dimension would be both parents desiring a child, with those thoughts being sent to the soul who chooses the parents and what they are offering in the home environment, for children do choose circumstances on a higher level.  this is the future dimension ideas you bring forth, we are still as a whole not there yet...but move towards that.
I think it helps in our small way, to express these ideas, like seed thoughts, that sprout in time. was thinking about the 100th monkey concept.

I know you're right, there's many evolved souls don't want to come here. so we prepare the way for them with our seeds, we take the flack so they don't have to. thats the way I see it, now let me qualify, this is my opinion.
(new rule on board)  

I think you might be a very good father Justin. that just occurred to me, you are possibly this moment being considered by a few as father material..what a cool thought!

I'm dancing as fast as I can... ;)  enjoy your life Justin and don't sweat the small stuff.
love, alysia

I think I need to check this book out.. Althought it discards reincarnation... I believe in reincarnation so it may be a struggle reading this book..

Alex, have you read Bruce's books already?  This Urantia book is a really hard read, but you have a great mind, you might like it. I couldn't get into it. I like books that narrate from the first person I figured out. :)

LaffingRain wrote on Apr 28^th, 2007 at 4:56am:

Alex, have you read Bruce's books already?  This Urantia book is a really hard read, but you have a great mind, you might like it. I couldn't get into it. I like books that narrate from the first person I figured out. :)

No, I have yet to read Bruce's books.. I want to read his books though.. Yeah, I just want to give this Urantia Book a shot is all.. See what if it rings with wisdom and truth..

peace

peace to you too. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/myspace2/myspace3/a-cat022.gif