This is from a great site called thirdtestament.com and the poster who posted this is Soren..

Martinus claims that there is no ”original sin” or original anything except the eternal “I” which is before and after any kind of creation. This eternal “I” decorate is eternal journey throughout creation with periods of sin (ignorance) and periods of love (wisdom).

If a sinful action comes back to oneself as suffering, it is quite obvious not an act of wisdom and will. The person obvious "does not know what they do" as Jesus said. And would it be right to punish someone who does not know what they do?

The Third Testament claims that sin does not exist at all except in our own imagination on a certain part of our journey though eternal life...

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But why does this name exist then? The Third Testament explains that Jesus know that people were suffering from their belief of being sinners.
The laws of life were given (the comandment of love) but people couln't live up to this standard at once... They could only feel that they failed, if not....

He could not remove this suffering by explaining them the whole story. They would not be able to understand it; “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now”. (John 16:12)


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Because of that he gave them the “foregiveness of sins” through belief the sacraments etc. Hereby removing the imaginary “sin” from the suffering minds of that times people (and todays believers too). This magic tool worked until today, saving millions and millions of people from suffering, through their ability of belief. But today more and more people can’t believe anymore. That is why we got this new “magic tool" ...

the explanations that people of the past could not bear

.. back then

What do you guys think??

Hi DaBears..you sure do your homework good :)  so I think I hear you say the magic tool is the tool of forgiveness?

I believe in other words, the eternal I which exists before and after creation could be called "I am that I am."  or in some circles "I am consciousness."

in suffering circles we call it center of the universe disease, or selfishness perhaps.

your question appears as "But why does this name exist then?  I'm confused what name u are talking of..is this name sin? please explain. although I can say straight off, sin translates to error.

the other day I came across this phrase in my reading "he who would not forgive, must judge, for he must justify his failure to forgive.."
then theres is a saying in the bible "judgment is mine sayeth the Lord."
so I'm saying we cannot judge others if we would practice forgiveness.

just rambling here, but in the Catholic church which is not that popular, well maybe among the Hispanics, it might be popular still, but there is a thing called confessionals.
I don't think you can find this practice in any protestant churches, but DP, my guide would say confessionals allow you to get rid of guilt by confessing the errors you or I may have noticed ourselves doing..a regular "oh, I messed up again but I will notice the next time the temptation is presented because then I won't have to keep coming to confessionals to be forgiven"  well you get the point, that they were a way to change one's self, make an intention to do better, feel better about oneself.
then the priest would forgive the sinner even as J would have, and all those guilt feelings go away.

but deep down I think the guilt feelings stem from feeling individually and collectively that we have separated from God. when the time comes you feel merged with god and never having been separated except in your mind, in allusions, then there's no more guilt feelings about anything.  since god is love, then all you feel is love which is what you are is love, behind the guilt and fears we work thru, does that make any sense to you DaBears? I think you are a tremendous question and answer maker on this board btw, and a great theologian in the making. thanks for your post, alysia

The down fall of humanity has been attributed to a variety of things in the worlds great religions. Such as desire, fear, "knowledge of good and evil', etc.
My own beliefs have attributed mankinds suffering to the perception of differentiation between the self and universal being. The path to remedy this perception is the application of the 'fruitage of the spirit': love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, mildness, selflessness and awareness.

Yea, I do quite a bit of homework on this subject and the afterlife. lol Yes, forgiveness is the answer to all of our sufferings of guilt.  The name I meant was sin.. Sin, is what  people imagine and that they take suffering in this illusion. Yes, sin is missing the mark for sure.

That is a good phrase to live by!

Yes, that makes sense to me about the seperation we imagine in our minds that we are seperated from God. But we are never severed from God.. That is why sin is an illusion.

Thanks for your reply it was very informative.


LaffingRain wrote on Apr 6^th, 2007 at 9:18pm:

Hi DaBears..you sure do your homework good :)  so I think I hear you say the magic tool is the tool of forgiveness? I believe in other words, the eternal I which exists before and after creation could be called "I am that I am."  or in some circles "I am consciousness." in suffering circles we call it center of the universe disease, or selfishness perhaps. your question appears as "But why does this name exist then?  I'm confused what name u are talking of..is this name sin? please explain. although I can say straight off, sin translates to error. the other day I came across this phrase in my reading "he who would not forgive, must judge, for he must justify his failure to forgive.." then theres is a saying in the bible "judgment is mine sayeth the Lord." so I'm saying we cannot judge others if we would practice forgiveness. just rambling here, but in the Catholic church which is not that popular, well maybe among the Hispanics, it might be popular still, but there is a thing called confessionals. I don't think you can find this practice in any protestant churches, but DP, my guide would say confessionals allow you to get rid of guilt by confessing the errors you or I may have noticed ourselves doing..a regular "oh, I messed up again but I will notice the next time the temptation is presented because then I won't have to keep coming to confessionals to be forgiven"  well you get the point, that they were a way to change one's self, make an intention to do better, feel better about oneself. then the priest would forgive the sinner even as J would have, and all those guilt feelings go away. but deep down I think the guilt feelings stem from feeling individually and collectively that we have separated from God. when the time comes you feel merged with god and never having been separated except in your mind, in allusions, then there's no more guilt feelings about anything.  since god is love, then all you feel is love which is what you are is love, behind the guilt and fears we work thru, does that make any sense to you DaBears? I think you are a tremendous question and answer maker on this board btw, and a great theologian in the making. thanks for your post, alysia