There are many people whom experience traveling through a "tunnel/vortex" during NDEs, etc.

What is the overall consensus on the reasoning behind the tunnel/vortex phenomenon as a mode of travel from point "A" to point "B" considering there are also reports of instantaneous travel from point "A" to point "B" without reports of the tunnel/vortex experience?

From the reports, stories, and first-hand accounts that I have heard it seems that the tunnel/vortex form of travel is usually apparent when the experience includes heading towards the Light; whereas, the instantaneous form of travel (without the tunnel/vortex) seems to happen once the tunnel/vortex experience is complete, or it just happens regardless of one's passing through a tunnel/vortex.

Curious ponderings,
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I don't know, CA,
but I wonder if it has to do
with perception as it's changed from first, hovering
still sheathed in the body-like forms of outer energy layers, but then as
those fall off, one becomes a point of consciousness and speed increases --:o so greatly that the only awareness is for what's immediately near you, so your path would create a tunnel sensation.  Then with the
magnetic Light ahead of you pulling you forward,
the broad field of vision we had with
two eyes is concentrated into
the one area of the Light.

So I mean it could be the changing perceptions of changing speed. Perhaps those that report it as only one or the other are not conscious of both.
I've only experienced OBEs as a point of consciousness a few times, and then not always with great speed, but then i didn't have an exciting destination in mind  :) and was just exploring.
Perhaps those with more experience in travelling as points of consciousness will add whether, when at great speeds, they sensed a tunnel effect.

Bets

Interesting question CA-
My theory was that as we lose attachment to the three dimensional embodiment of this world, we tend to take on another dimension, like something dropping through a "black hole" into hyperspace, and as we move into this the rest of the world seems to be progressively more distant, as if we are rising, or it is falling away along the increasing span of the newly added dimension. I wonder if this correlates as well for your experiences as mine.

d

Wow! I was just thinking about this today, or this morning,to be exact, b/c I had an MRI appointment to check the progression of things in my lower back.To do this, one has to lay flat and enter very literally into this "tunnel" type machine...and I was honestly thinking of it today.I have personally, in the kind of crash course out of body experiences I have to date,I've been instantaneously to where ever I would think of, or hovering around or near my body, but the shift seemed instant. Although sometimes when I felt myself "lifting out" so to speak, from my body, during a more lucid type of sleep, into an out of body experience, I have felt and heard this loud rushing/humming noise, and then abrubtly was simply "out". And then, I didn't have the classic near death experience, at least not entirely, when I briefly died on the operating table, but I was sitting up(my body flat, and being worked on) and saw what appeared to be shadow-people, with no discernable features, but intense love radiating from them, and they were all around the operating table, packed in tight, except for one space, big enough for one body, and the space was lit up with radiant light from behind the people, it seemed, and I felt for "sure" that I'd be going in or through that point of light...weird...I wished I would have been able to consciously continue that experience, but as I had just watched my baby's heart beat cease on the ultrasound(the last thing I recall seeing, before being rushed into the operating room, and we both had lost over half our blood, and were brought back, and given transfusions)I wasn't able to concentrate on the strange, silent people, but wanted to go where my baby was, and I felt sure, I was dying, and after hours of bleeding, and fear, I felt such peace at the thought, I did not fear shedding this body at all, suddenly, and I felt like I was going "home"...so I wonder what it would have been like had I continued on? I wonder about that, too, if it is a kind of "vortex", of sorts, b/c this tunnel seems to be such a prevalent, NDE trait...so I will be watching this thread to see everyone's input...great question! Tanja

Good discussion.

I consider myself NO expert but I think I can add something here.

If I travel instantaneously it is usually proceeded by much thought and setting an intent first. I take time to prepare myself, for me that helps. Sometimes I feel a slight pull, I relax and just feel the love and go with it to see what will happen next. This usually happens when I have been asking questions consistantly but have not formed in my 'brain' what my intent is. Somewhere in my 'mind' I think my intent is clear.

I have on several occasions experienced the tunnel efect. The only time I have knowledge of doing this is when I ask to speak to God himself. Now I can't tell you that I am speaking to God himself because I really don't know, but I do know that the vibrational rate of this 'being' is like nothing I have ever experienced before. I am still wrapping my head around the emotion of it all, so an accurate discription at this point would be dull in comparison. When I feel that I can express, I will be most happy to post.

The tunnel effect happens to me (so far, I think) only after I have put in much thought and a clear intent and only when I have already been answered by guide and spirit. Yes, I can be an obstinate child. Sometimes I want/need proof. Proof beyond all other proof. I was a little nervous the first time I was so insistant and that may be why the 'light' kept coming and going. I was nervous therefor unsuccessful. When I learned to relax and go with it my answers came. I only use this method when I feel it is necessary for me to grow and I feel that my guides a delighted that I am using my obstinace on something worthwhile. lol

That's all I have for now, but would like to hear more.

Love, Stacy

daiseymae wrote on Feb 27^th, 2007 at 5:04pm:

Good discussion. I consider myself NO expert but I think I can add something here. If I travel instantaneously it is usually proceeded by much thought and setting an intent first. I take time to prepare myself, for me that helps. Sometimes I feel a slight pull, I relax and just feel the love and go with it to see what will happen next. This usually happens when I have been asking questions consistantly but have not formed in my 'brain' what my intent is. Somewhere in my 'mind' I think my intent is clear. I have on several occasions experienced the tunnel efect. The only time I have knowledge of doing this is when I ask to speak to God himself. Now I can't tell you that I am speaking to God himself because I really don't know, but I do know that the vibrational rate of this 'being' is like nothing I have ever experienced before. I am still wrapping my head around the emotion of it all, so an accurate discription at this point would be dull in comparison. When I feel that I can express, I will be most happy to post. The tunnel effect happens to me (so far, I think) only after I have put in much thought and a clear intent and only when I have already been answered by guide and spirit. Yes, I can be an obstinate child. Sometimes I want/need proof. Proof beyond all other proof. I was a little nervous the first time I was so insistant and that may be why the 'light' kept coming and going. I was nervous therefor unsuccessful. When I learned to relax and go with it my answers came. I only use this method when I feel it is necessary for me to grow and I feel that my guides a delighted that I am using my obstinace on something worthwhile. lol That's all I have for now, but would like to hear more. Love, Stacy

 Well said!..Darth.

Thank you, Darth

Welcome aboard, jump in anytime.

hi Cosmic. the tunnel to me is subtle electric qualities or a light buzzing humm sound.
sometimes I think because of delta brain waves firing I hear because we don't really "go" anywhere location outside the mind, but maybe slip into a sideral dimension. don't have words!   a sense of movement for sure to reach a destination, sometimes a brief blinking out just the second before arrival of symbology or visitors.
then a guide took me out of body once we went through outer space darkness, did not sense a tunnel, but might have been there, it was dark. I asked, where are we going? lol. she said nothing. yoo hoo, who are you I said? nothing. :-/ finally she said be quiet you ask too many questions.. :(  then we got to the location of an alley and I was tested how well I can do a retrieval.

sometimes the tunnel is real straight. if I ever hear humming I know it's an obe, not a lucid dream.
love, alysia

Those are all very great ideas/theories/concepts/experiences.

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KarmicKiss wrote:

"Although sometimes when I felt myself "lifting out" so to speak, from my body, during a more lucid type of sleep, into an out of body experience, I have felt and heard this loud rushing/humming noise, and then abrubtly was simply "out"."

This is all very interesting to me... I know that I have personally experienced an indescribably loud harsh discordance of sound that was akin to a million amplifiers crammed into the same room with microphones held up to them; it never went further than that however. I always wonder what would've happened had I continued with the experience, but it frightened me so bad that I did everything in my power to pull myself out of it. Maybe it would've led to an OBE or possibly the tunnel/vortex effect. It happened while I was awakening from sleep one afternoon and I remember that I was consciously awake and thinking, but I couldn't move my body (sleep paralysis)... It was at that point that I heard that deafening cacaphony.
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With regards to the tunnel/vortex effect I like all of your ideas and think that they hold some very valuable information. The concepts involving dimensional shifting and the transitioning from one aspect of reality to another seem to be key ingredients to the tunnel/vortex experience. Whether it is for symbology purposes used as a way to ease in the initial transition process from the physical form to the etheric form, or an actual physical/spiritual law dictating the effects of energy/raw consciousness in motion... all are equally plausible.

I would venture to say that the tunnel/vortex experience could be, if not merely for symbology purposes, a direct effect of vibrating raw energy in its natural state of motion; the tunnel/vortex effect being created as one's energy approaches and possibly exceeds that of the speed of light. When one is traveling at speeds nearing at or exceeding the speed of light the space around that extreme rate of speed must appear to the traveler as being slowed down; thus creating what would appear to be a tunnel or vortex. This would bode well for the idea of multidimensional travel as in, not some place "out" there, but some place "through" there. It is also worth noting that there are numerous accounts from NDErs describing tunnels that are lined with beautifully crafted stone and the like. It is these accounts that would lead me to liken the tunnel/vortex effect to be more of an aesthetically pleasing symbology piece for the transition process between the two states of being.

I look forward to hearing more ideas/theories/concepts/experiences!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. (Afterthought): If energy is equivalent to mass x the speed of light squared then once we separate from our physical body and become conscious raw energy we are then effectively (mass x the speed of light squared); thus, light. For is it possible for something to travel at or beyond the speed of light without effectively becoming light itself? Light is the combination of all colors combined, and since we would be moving at or beyond the speed of light we would become all colors combined; this may very well give an explanation to the descriptions accounted for which depict tunnels and vortexes that are lined with indescribably beautiful colors; for we would be in, and would be that light/those colors.

This is quite a good link on black holes and may correspond with the topic.

http://www.angelfire.com/journal/SunLogo/Blackholes&NDEs.html

thank Caryn, that was a really good explanation for the tunnel phenonmenon. fits well with my belief system. I know somone who is interested in the eye thing too. :)

I knew this would be a great thread! Thanks for sharing about your experience Cosmic, with the indescribable(well, actually,you described it quite well, in my opinion) "noise" as you were in that sleep paralysis state. It was very validating for me, b/c honestly, I cannot say what will be true for someone else, but what I didn't mention in my first post on this subject, was the fact that I actually experienced this noise/humming sound with a feeling of motion several times before I actually had the out of body experiences....and I did the exact same thing.....fought against it with all my might.. ;D It did scare me, b/c I was in that weird, state, maybe lucid dreaming is an entirely other thing(actually it is, sometimes I was lucid dreaming before the semi-awake state)...but this kind of awake state, thinking consciously, but under sleep paralysis....that's how I started with the out of body experiements with myself..and my biggest obstacle at first was just allowing myself to relax, and let myself experience what was happening, and then the next thing I was aware of, was being "out"..and sometimes I would go back and forth, once out. I would get "excited" about it, thinking,"Oh wow, I'm out of my body!", and then sometimes I'd be jerked kind of back into body, although the "noise" seemed  to only occur on the going out, and I'm not sure how I got back in, honestly...anyway....I know there are many others here that have much more knowledge on the subject, and probably have much more control with their out of body experiences...my best ones have been kind of by "chance"...but I noticed the less excitable, even if in anticipation, and  the more kind of calm, almost detached state seemd to help me have a longer, more controlled experience. I cannot say for sure, of course, but it sounds like exactly the same way that I started having the experiences...and I know exactly what you mean, b/c at first, I did kind of panic while in that humming noise and sensations.....and would eventually will myself awake/up...

I like the idea of raw energies, and how often we refer to beings of "light"..and "energetic bodies"..so some kind of shifting from this sort of "heavy matter" into something else would certainly be a big part in explaining that humming/vibrational shifts we've been talking about. I love everyone's posts on this subject, and will continue following this thread...I, for one, think I should try and find some more readings(I very much love to read, and sometimes it's resulting in reading a few different things at once) but I love this board b/c we can hear about each other's experiments/experiences as they occur, and are able to dialouge with each other,and compare "notes"...wishing everyone the best this morning!.Tanja

ok, listen up, this here's a lovefest and I'm an old hippie. Tanja, you are a bright light, you share, you're gonna be a writer like me. You're going so far the rest of us will only see your tail lights...you go girl..it only gets better from here on out. :)

My feeling is that thought energy is limited here in the physical, but not on other levels. Therefore, if somebody wants to create a tunnel like experience, they can.

I've had these two tunnel experiences.

A number of years ago I woke up one night, saw a slowly rotating tunnel that appeared in a pattern that included the color gold and sort of reminded me what you would see on a Tibetan Buddhist poster (Is tanka the correct word?). I heard a cosmic ohm as I saw this. The ohm didn't start when I started to see the tunnel. It seemed like the ohm always existed. It had a sound that was beyond what a human voice could create.

Sometimes I have these experiences where my awareness expands, my third eye becomes active, and I visually experience myself traveling to various places with a sense of movement, but not with standard out of body effects. One time this happened and I saw the entrance way of a tunnel that was lined with swirling blue and white light. Unfortunately, I didn't have the wherewithal to set the mental intent to travel through it.   :'(

Thank you, Cosmic,

for your postscript. It gives our intellects encouragement/proof to buy into our true nature, as Light !  That darn intellect is sometimes the last part to be convinced, eh? My heart and beliefs have been readied by these good souls here, and now you've finished the job with my brain. I really appreciate your thoughts!
Say, weren't you the one who asked the question in the first place ?!

Bets

Thanks for the great link Augoeideian. There were many interesting and pertinent things to consider there. I have also wondered at times about the parallels between the macrocosm and the microcosm. There are many parallels and symbological links to all forms of life at all levels and sizes... "So as above, so below ("So as everywhere... so as everywhere"). I remember a post awhile back where we were all discussing various parallels between the mechanics of this physical world of ours and that of the spiritual planes. Parallels such as the umbilical cord at birth representing/symbolizing the silver/ethereal cord attatchment to our physical vessels while physically incarnate, or the cycles a caterpillar goes through prior to becoming a  butterfly and how that relates to the cycles we go through as spiritual beings inhabiting a human body: Larva -- Human; Cocoon -- Physical Death; Butterfly in Flight -- Release of the Soul; or how about our exit from the birth canal as a baby (heading from darkness to light) and our exit through the tunnel/vortex as our physical life comes to an end (headed towards light)... (This parallel may not be as pertinent to those who were born via cesarian, but still noteworthy nonetheless!).

These symobological parallels may very well reach into the outer echelons of the physical universe and within the holographic multidimensional reality that we so lovingly find ourselves in.

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Bets wrote:

"Say, weren't you the one who asked the question in the first place ?!"

LOL! Reading others peoples' replies with all of the shared ideas and experiences helps to create even more ideas, concepts, and possible experiences... (the cycle repeats.) It's this sharing and growing through interaction with others; self-searching; asking questions; living answers; making the unknowns known and expanding the reaches of the unknown, that gives the journey of conscious exploration its very definition. In relating symbols it seems that we are all artists at work here, with light as our paintbrush; sometimes it's in order to borrow paint from other peoples' palettes!
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KarmicKiss wrote:

"I like the idea of raw energies, and how often we refer to beings of "light"..and "energetic bodies"..so some kind of shifting from this sort of "heavy matter" into something else would certainly be a big part in explaining that humming/vibrational shifts we've been talking about."

I completely agree with you KarmicKiss. Thanks for sharing your experiences with this. Much appreciated.

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Chuckles wrote:

"sometimes I think because of delta brain waves firing I hear because we don't really "go" anywhere location outside the mind, but maybe slip into a sideral dimension. don't have words!   a sense of movement for sure to reach a destination, sometimes a brief blinking out just the second before arrival of symbology or visitors."

Dave wrote:

"My theory was that as we lose attachment to the three dimensional embodiment of this world, we tend to take on another dimension, like something dropping through a "black hole" into hyperspace, and as we move into this the rest of the world seems to be progressively more distant, as if we are rising, or it is falling away along the increasing span of the newly added dimension. I wonder if this correlates as well for your experiences as mine."

I totally agree with you Chuckles and Dave, it may very well be part and parcel to a shift of dimensional perception; shifts in vibration from heavier to finer and the aftereffects therein; results of the transformation into our natural states of/as raw conscious energy/beings of light and taking on those foreign yet familiar perceptual changes.
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Recoverer wrote:

"A number of years ago I woke up one night, saw a slowly rotating tunnel that appeared in a pattern that included the color gold and sort of reminded me what you would see on a Tibetan Buddhist poster (Is tanka the correct word?). I heard a cosmic ohm as I saw this. The ohm didn't start when I started to see the tunnel. It seemed like the ohm always existed. It had a sound that was beyond what a human voice could create."

Interesting that you mentioned that "ohm" sound. Did it remind you at all of Gregorian chants or the meditation "ohm". I remember my father telling me that during one of his NDE he heard that "ohm" sound while traveling through the tunnel towards the Light and that it felt to him as being a sort of guide post leading him through the tunnel towards Light. He also said that it was beyond what a human voice could create, but not in those exact words. He said that the music that he heard while "out there" was unlike anything he had ever heard while on Earth... He said that it was incomprehensible in beauty and that it came from nowhere and yet everywhere simultaneously; he said that it just was, as was he.
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Thanks to all for sharing, and I look forward to hearing more!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions



   

its good that Cosmic takes all the comments and condenses them for us; it brings us together.

I have just read Otherwhere, by Leland and I felt it was pertinent to put here on this thread, in regards to this from Cosmic:

making the unknowns known and expanding the reaches of the unknown, that gives the journey of conscious exploration its very definition. In relating symbols it seems that we are all artists at work here, with light as our paintbrush; sometimes it's in order to borrow paint from other peoples' palettes!

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from the last page of this Book mentioned above: "As you map nonphysical reality, you provide a multitude of images that people may use, like telescopes, to help them translate what goes on over there for themselves, if they should ever make the journey. It doesn't matter whether you use gates, doors, hallways, alleys, or subway systems to describe how to enter Otherwhere.  The differences between these images is like the differeneces between types of telescopes; the refractor, the reflector, the Newtonian, the Cassegrainian. And just as amateur astronomers have different tastes in telescopes, so may those readers who succeed in entering Otherwhere find certain images you've provided more useful than others in translating their own experiences.
You may do your best to provide the map, but it's up to others to use or ignore any or all of it, as they see fit-or perhaps to improve it.
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end of quote. it appears Leland is an astronomer. I'm not, but I can relate to his use of the analogy because on at least two occassions when obe, I became a camera lens zooming into my subject. incredible feeling of zooming in, and being the thing that zoomed in swiftly.

happy exploring the mystery of being a human. love, alysia

Cosmic Ambitions:

I don't know what a Gregorian ohm sounds like. It sounded more Tibetan, but wasn't made by a human voice. It sounded deep, strong, continuous, and cosmic.



Cosmic_Ambitions wrote on Mar 1^st, 2007 at 12:35am:

Recoverer wrote: "A number of years ago I woke up one night, saw a slowly rotating tunnel that appeared in a pattern that included the color gold and sort of reminded me what you would see on a Tibetan Buddhist poster (Is tanka the correct word?). I heard a cosmic ohm as I saw this. The ohm didn't start when I started to see the tunnel. It seemed like the ohm always existed. It had a sound that was beyond what a human voice could create." Interesting that you mentioned that "ohm" sound. Did it remind you at all of Gregorian chants or the meditation "ohm". I remember my father telling me that during one of his NDE he heard that "ohm" sound while traveling through the tunnel towards the Light and that it felt to him as being a sort of guide post leading him through the tunnel towards Light. He also said that it was beyond what a human voice could create, but not in those exact words. He said that the music that he heard while "out there" was unlike anything he had ever heard while on Earth... He said that it was incomprehensible in beauty and that it came from nowhere and yet everywhere simultaneously; he said that it just was, as was he. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to all for sharing, and I look forward to hearing more! PUL, Cosmic_Ambitions

Hi CA-

More stuff, just for fun. This was all about 40 years back.

The noise I used to get began as the dinging of a bell when some significant thing would occur. I had half a dozen partly built guitars hanging around the room, and they'd echo and resonate and everything was rather nice. The bell sound migrated to a phsyical bell occasionally. Then there was a second sound, like bees or birds, and finally a sound that was likea mountan collapsing and breaking rocks.  I got up and looked out the windows, but it was all me.  After that, there's just the tinnitis and sizzling of my frazzled brain.

If you look at a black hole in a somewhat more liberal manner than orthodox physics, you'll notice that whatever falls into it goes into a complex hyperspace (the value under the radical in the Lorentz contraction goes negative) which means that it adds a fourth dimension of definition. Thus, while the prior space view sees everything going into spaghetti and singularity, the inside view is that it all goes into a higher dimension which redistributes everything everywhere, so that it seems to bud off into a new universe.  It does this at the speed of light, but since Lorentz shift tends to infinity at the speed, it takes forever (from our viewpoint) although things are quite normal from the perspective of someone riding along.

The advantage of a higher dimension is that it allows the stuff falling nto the BH to be spread out to be everywhere at once. From the inside, we then would look out and see the event horizon receding at the speed of light in all directions, while we would  seem to be standing still in the center of everything, and our space would keep expanding along with everything else. Technically, the event horizon would be reduced to a point , as we look from the outside - a singularity -  from the point, our universe would be like a bubble into a new space in which the point of event horizon would look like a circular circumference. And, if you look out your window at night, you can see how all of this actually looks from inside our present bubble-universe.

dave