Greetings,

This is posted here altho it could maybe fit better under PEs or AK, but it seems like training for retrievals,  and we did visit others, so here it is---

I have a new guide and he's been taking me out on short sessions. When I get into bed at night he speaks to me mentally asking if I'm ready to go  and I say yes, so then I feel two energy forms leave throught the top of my head. We feel more like points or pellets and don't have the flow that I associate with a whole body leaving. The C1 me senses their activity and the out-n-about me senses what's going on from its own perspective at the same time, a new approach for me.

The flight to whoever we go to visit seems very fast. I miss the hand on my shoulder guidance of being OB with a Helper/guide but this is more efficient. When we get to our destination/person, he directs me "Go in and swoop right' or 'go in and drop down.' He doesn't come in thru the head with me but i can hear him fine from in there. He has me turn or whatever until I get close, but i can see nothing from C1. The point-me seems ok tho. He says "now look for ---" and I tell him I've found it altho C1-me can't see a thing but that light in darkness. Then he says 'Crush it between your hands' or 'twist it' or whatever. This surprises me because I feel like I'm a point/pellet, but the hands appear and do their job and then I return up to him.

Then he sort of wipes or waves me clean, we do a brief (too brief for me anyway) soul-meld, and then he takes me back to C1-me.

:D These are some of the neatest dates lol I've ever been on!
I share them here in order to show that I/we can never take anything for granted! You just get a sense of how to do something and they change the conditions! I'm not complaining---it's great!

Love, Bets

Fascinating, Bets.  I wonder if guides tend to change as we change to different levels.  I was interested in you being a point or pellet.  Did you always have a sense of body before?  In the exercises I'm doing a few times I've been a point.  More often in my dreams I identify myself as a point-of-view or point-of-awareness.

Sounds like a wonderful experience. - Rob

Hi Rob,
I like your 'point-of-view' or 'point-of-awareness'; the sense of it is more such a point, not pellet really, except  :) I didn't know where I must have kept my arms folded, so I 'bulked up' the image. ::)
Guides have been changed on me only twice, and the first time I didn't think to look at what might be related conditions. This time I know I was questionning the previous guide more on why certain things had been told to me and then got changed.  I thought maybe I was dealing with one of those Tricksters, but in hindsight i think he said whatever it took to keep me moving in the right direction, toward learning something new. Then he'd narrow down options later to get me 'on target.'
Now I trust the process.

Hi,
particular interesting is this dual consciousness, you know that one is aware of the physical body as well as of things happen elsewhere. Most people who want to widen their perception are looking for an OBE (no sensation of the physical body), because it is just such convincing. Now this dual-consciousness seems to be more common, but also more difficult to recognize, because it is easily wiped away as a short daydream-glimpse under the attack of the strong perceptions of the physical.

In most of my mind-journeys (that dual consciousness thing) I seem to have "there" not really a basic form, but it gets immediately the form I think of, just as you said, when thinking of grabbing at something I'll have arms and hands.

My helpers seem to stay very much in the background now, after a period where I've met them regularly.


Spooky

Seeing myself as a point of awareness or as a point of view (without a body) seems to help.  It lets me get away from the need to feel that I have to have a body to accompany my awareness when its experiencing things other than my physical C1 body.  But Spooky’s right that it slips away like a daydream.  An OBE would be more clear cut but I seem to be more concerned with expanding my awareness.

A couple times recently I’ve suddenly had an arm appear and reach out for something.  Maybe that helps us to physically recall some of the experience and be able to relate to it with our C1 consciousness.

It’s interesting Bets that as you came to trust the process, that your guide changed.  It (trust?) seems to have taken you to a new place where you’ve been cleansed.


Rob

That sounds like great progress to me Bets, that you are able to easily transition to new ways in order to keep moving right along.

Spooky, I now better understand what you are referring to as your mind-journeys.  I too have experienced the dual consciousness awareness many times, and as Rob mentioned, it certainly does make more sense to be in this type of awareness/perception because it breaks you free from the conceptual restraints and framework of what we've come to expect from the physical.  

I also find it amazing now natural this state of being feels compared to the physical.  

Vicky

I am so grateful for these postings! So much has suddenly become clear, after years and years of feeling doubtful and confused. I used to be going somewhere on the Greyhound bus, chugging along the highway, and I would be "daydreaming" that I was outside the bus, as though on a horse, and flying along, competing with the bus for speed, for the fun of it. And I used to think it was just a daydream although the sheer speed sensation was very delightful and real..but suddenly I would "see" what was about 4 or 5 miles up the road further, and when we got there...there it was, just like I "saw". It used to puzzle me, because I didn't feel like I had a body out there, but now I realize I was a point, like you are all saying. And in the retrieval the other day, flying over the forest toward the cliff where Kathy Carreira fell, I again had no sense of body though I was abruptly, suddenly, flying over the forest after struggling to get out of my body and do something. No sense of body, just a mind flying along. So now I really understand...thanks again for all the clarification after so many years! Vanayssa

What an intriguing thought Vanayssa: that our point of awareness may not always be in our physical bodies - 'specially when we're daydreaming.  When I think about it, I know it happens.  Just my own belief system tells me it can only be in my physical body.  I'm sure it's happened to me many times but I'm just not open to it happening while I'm in a physical focus.  I'm going to pay more attention now when my mind wanders. - Rob

It is so frustrating to realize that I have been aware of things and actually DOING things out of body all my life and never stopped to pay attention to it. For many many years, all my life, I saw pictures moving behind my eyes when I shut my eyes. It was always this movie going along behind my eyes when I closed them. But only after doing Reiki Master level and working on a client at a spa which employed me as a reiki practitioner, that it dawned on me that I was seeing things pertaining to the client. Whole stories. After that, I included these "readings" or movies in my client services. It was a lot of fun. Hard to understand why I never noticed the movies being what they were for decades of living, though they were contstantly there. Does anyone else do this "movie" thing? Since discovering this Board, I have been joyfully setting new goals which now seem attainable...this morning when practicing retrievals, I tried to be allowed to access "fragments" of my sister who suffers with awful depression. Maybe she lost part of herelf, right?? So I went out to find her pieces but it was just too hard. Couldn't do it. But I did a retrieval yesterday and one today, (if they are not entirely made up by my imagination, back to that again) and I will post them later or tomorrow in case anyone is interested. These are with children, since some of you have been involved with rescuing children. What a treasure trove this site is...yikes! Vanayssa

You're doing great, Vanayssa!

I'm sure when you-- or your sister-- is ready, you will be able to help her too!

Consider that her depression may be blockages  *within*  her system and that a healing may be more appropriate. If that were the case, your intent to go out looking for pieces might get in the way. What if you asked your guide to take your point-of-awareness to her in order to heal her, when all are ready?  Such tasks seem to be related to retrievals. Actually don't know much about them as it's new to me too but you are progressing so quickly...!

Love,
bets

I love that idea, Bets. I have been doing healing sessions for her once in a while, trying to access her original perfect blueprint to clear the blockages, but so far no changes apparent, so I will try your idea, much smoother and cleaner that way, try to go in as a point with my Guide. (Don't know who my Guide is but still.)
I will add a note here about yesterday's retrieval and this morning's from the recording I did with my little walkman recorder.
Jan. 26/07, took one hour.
I'm looking first at what I thought was a small group of African children but then the picture changes to what looks like a mass of people standing in a crescent formation across a wide wide plain like it could be an invading army stretched out across a plain some distance from like a walled city for example. I'm seeing branches breaking into bud and bloom and flowers opening. Spring sap is running. Life is growing.It's like since ancient times, wars, invasions suffering and today with all the children orphaned in Africa, alone with no one to look after them and the natural disasters too, everything in human history, has been the Winter of our time and although I can't see how this can be, we may be entering the first touch of real springtime in human history. Although from the news we hear, it is hard to see how. (My Interpreter is busy.) I see black storm clouds, lightning, thick, deluging rain, black skies. There is a young woman with a walkman on, she is holding an umbrella, black out, pouring rain, packsack on her back, a black shiny raincoat, long blonde hair, bleached, damaged, straw quality to her hair. Some sort of factory, long shiny metal tubes, turning, and like turbo prop is the word, long cylinders being inserted into other cylinders, above me is the keel of a boat in a shop, this is a boat building yard and I am in the shed with her. She stands looking up at the keel of the boat.This young woman is smoking. She is a hard nosed young woman. Old for her years. Am I supposed to be retrieving?? If this is not a retrieval, I need to get out of here. This seems to have no purpose. She is inhaling the smoke deeply, I can sense her lungs, see her body with the smoke entering her body, see the state her body is in. She is coughing and smoking. I see the light around her body is very close in to her body and very narrow, her aura is shrunk right down to inches only. What am I supposed to do?
I just felt the "shift" take place in my body, up my spine, my shoulders, head, eyes, I am in my third eye now finally. (Still struggling to find where I am supposed to be going though for a few minutes more.)
I will ask to help one of the African children who has died in some way. I am in a room, dark, full of smoke and flames. There is a little girl there and other children. I can barely see them through the smoke. One little girl, I can see her dark hair clearly. She is the one I see most clearly. It is so full of smoke in here.
There is a little pet animal, maybe a chicken or something, running around in a panic.
I see a man standing with a raised torch, looking around trying to see what is going on. I can see the flames in the room beyond. The children are in some kind of, not exactly cave, but it is like a few homes have been built interconnecting with little tunnels, so to speak, long rooms,and this man (white shirt and black trousers) and this man is going along one of these tunnel like rooms, corridors to where the fire is in an effort to get the children out and he is carrying a torch. He has in mind an image of a little girl in a red and white dress, a happy little girl, these are all African people.He gathers the children around him and I send out like a rope or something, and say hang on to this, and they all grab hold of this rope coming from my back, and it is so confused in there, and we are transported instantly, the whole group of us, to the green grass of The Park, and they are sitting there in the sunlight, in the Park in the grass, all these African children, and this man, his hand is still up but no torch in it now, I don't know if I feel like this was very truly a retrieval or very successful but it is all I got this morning and now standing in the Park I am hoping a Guide will appear because I have no idea what to do with all these people. I am being shown in the same focus level a city, I think it is the city I have seen in pictures from authors who have drawn pictures of the city they see, I think Sylvia Browne has some pictures of this city, statuary and marble, this is where I am to take this group of people, I can see the city in the distance shining, a bit away from this part of the Park, I have not been in any other part of the Park except the Picnic area, so I am casting a beam of light to gather up these people, the man is just on his last legs, he is so tired, the children are all looking to him, I am putting some light around them and I tell them I will take them to the Sanctuary where they will be taken care of and I reach out to the man's hand and throw light around them all so we leave all together, and we are now standing by a central sort of pool with a fountain coming up out of it and the water splashing down and we are in the City and there is marble everywhere and I have all these people and the kids are dazed and looking at the fountain and this beautiful city and the marble and it is all full of sunlight, and now there is a troop of people coming down the stairs toward us dressed in blue and carrying stretchers, at least I guess it's stretchers, it is for the victims of the fire to be just taken to a medical centre, checked over, ensure they are ok and the man is still very worried about the children but he is ready to collapse and I am going to leave them there and I am coming back home. The only name that comes to me is the name Abdelah.
I have to remember this, that Spring is coming. So it says. That's it for today.
I will post this morning's effort later on. Is it ok that I post this stuff? Vanayssa

yes, it's ok to post whatever you want Vanayssa, we don't have hard and fast rules here that I can tell.

I will have to return to read it all though.

Bets, I like what you're up to. good on ya mate! :)

Vee,

That was really something. More and more stories come in from the "front line" from folks like yourself who have been doing this all along and didn't realize that many of us are working so hard to get back in touch with the ability to "see" beyond C1 consciousness. Glad for us you found this site but then I don't believe in coinsidences.

Find reading your none physical experiences very helpful in triggering some glimpses of my own.

Thanks, Jean :-*