My brother died in March of 2005. He died of alcoholism alone in his cabin. After he died, I contacted him by going to the "tunnel" I see when I shut my eyes and go quiet. I went to the edge and shouted his name (silently) several times. In the far distance I saw something moving, very tiny and far off, coming toward me. I waited and it came close enough to see it was my brother, lying down flat, hands by his sides, he was grey and he had his eyes shut. He was an atheist in his life as far as I know. I thought he probably had expected to just die and cease to exist, so when he left his body that is the pose he adopted, just shut himself down and lay still and grey. I called his name again and he saw me standing there. I took his arm and said, "Stand up, let's go, I will take you to Dad. He's in a place called The Park. Come on. I'll take you. It's easy." He stood up, accepting this strange intrusion into his death experience, and willingly let me guide him. He did not speak. He seemed to feel a bit confused but he stayed with me as we entered the Park, where I always picture it in place with grass and many rose gardens near where I always enter. We passed many benches etc and came to what I call the Picnic Place, by the ocean, lots of benches and usually many people there enjoying the oceanside ambience and eating and drinking coffee etc. I dunno...I just picture it that way. Always seem to be people around there anyway. I was astonished, nobody there to greet us. I was alarmed, thought, ok, I really have been imagining all this and now I have Wayne here and I can't find anyone for him. Help!! So I stood there and hollered for Dad and yelled and yelled for him, and was starting to really panic. Then I got the feeling the whole picnic area was some kind of stage set. Over at the end there were even the "wings" of the set. From around the back "wings" my Dad came. He did not look cheerful about this event. He looked like he had been dreading it. Anyway he came over to us and I said, well, here's Wayne, and neither of them knew what to say. So I said, uh, feeling kind of awkward, this had never happened before, I said Let's go to Dad's place, ok Dad? So we shot off to his lovely cabin where he lives with his nice two dogs and his fireplace and his nice set up in some green rolling mountains. I walked in with Wayne behind Dad. We stood by the fireplace for a minute and the two dogs were lying down in front of the fire. They didn't seem bothered by us coming in. Then my brother looked at my Dad and seemed to suddenly really come to life. He said "So, we can build things here?" He caught on to the new reality fast. Dad said, "Yeah. We can build things." I said I had to go and excused myself and shot off back to my home in beautiful B.C. I take some pride and happiness in knowing I rescued my poor brother who really had a sad life and surprised him no end with some really, really great news...his real life was just beginning! I have caught sight of him a couple times since then while exploring there, and he has been hanging out with a wide range of wildlife and enjoying the woods and forests there, he was a real outdoors guy when he was sober. He is loving the animals and helping them as they arrive there, trying to offer what healing he can.  I don't know if Dad or anyone has introduced him to any healers or guides yet...anyway. That's my story of retrieving my bro. So cool. One of my happy things for sure. Use Bruce's method outlined in the appendix of one of his books. Thanks for reading. V.

Hi Vanayssa, I like that one! thats cool he's involved with the animal kingdom, just like my sister is.
It's great to see family helping family. I retrieved my mother also, will tell the story someday. I think you did good. I have to try the shout technique someday! :D

love, alysia

Thanks for sharing your experience, Vanayssa!

The Helpers certainly must have known you could do it on your own   :)  since none of them showed up for awhile (unless your dad was one.)  Congratulations !
Have you done any retrievals before helping your brother?  Do you expect to do any in the future?


Betson

Thanks for sharing your experience, Vanayssa!
And welcome to the board.
Where in BC are you?
Was it your first retreival?

With love,Romain

First thing I need to ask is, how do you guys all get your pictures up there? I can't see how to do it. There is supposed to be Attach here somewhere but I can't see it. I am blind this morning I guess. Anyway...thanks to everyone for responding to my post on my brother's retrieval.  To answer your questions, I live in Courtenay, B.C. on the east coast of Vancouver Island.  It's damp and drizzly today, we have had a bit of winter weather but not too bad compared to a lot of places these days. I have pretty much just done my family members, I don't have a lot of confidence that I know what I am doing. I attended Gateway at TMI in 2000 and have been doing some since then. I have read Bob Monroe's books and Bruce Moen's books (which are so incredibly healing and wonderful, everyone I lend them to is helped by them, given new hope and optimism and happiness in living) and I used to go into the TMI website and read the Voyagers stories, which are retrieval stories of TMI grads, most of whom I guess have done Lifeline. I would like to do Lifeline, it's a bit expensive to get there and the course fees and so on. Easier if you are on the east coast of course. My first intro to all this came when my daughter and her husband died in 1988, on the anniversary of their death they appeared in my apartment and spoke to me, much to my astonishment since I was a total atheist at the time. That started me on a search which led to finding Bob Monroe's books in the library and I went on from there. I did the Gateway course before I went to TMI, using the taped course they offer, which is a big, big undertaking of many, many tapes and is FAR superior to the course offered on campus..in my opinion anyway. I wish they offered Lifeline on tapes!!! I also have got Bruce Moen's home study course and am just getting going on it. Have had it for a while but never got round to it, enjoying it now and eager to see what it brings into my life!! I'd like to do catastrophes but don't know how. I have never seen a Guide, would love to see one...or more!! I had a Shamanic healing after my daughter died, the shock of her death sent me spinning into outer space where i hung in the dark, alone and detached from everything, belonging no where and to no one. It was unbearable, I couldn't have lived very long after that if a Shaman had not noticed me in a class I was taking one day and gave me his card. He was a chief of a Band near where I lived. It was $600 for a 14 hour ritual, I dug up the money knowing i would die if I couldn't get help. It was incredible...never was anyone healed of so much so fast..it took 14 hours and I awoke with a splitting headache the following morning, and was briefly able to see right through walls, but that passed quickly and I was back to normal. The ritual connected me to all the world, fire, earth, moon, wildlife, water, sun, everything...I returned to my apartment whole. It was an amazing thing and I am grateful to this day. A long time ago...1989. So her death brought me into a new world, a better world, full of immortality, excitement, curiosity..(above all, curiosity) and a search for a kind of wholeness I can only imagine. So unexpected a gift in life!! Well, now I am really rambling so I will stop. Please email me and give me guidance and examples of how you do real retrievals with all kinds of people...much appreciated if you do. thanks. Vanayssa[email][/email]

Hi Vanyssa  for your picture go into your profile to edit, towards the end of the profile fill in places theres a place to pick like an avatar, then skip that part and under that it should say "I have my own picture/image."  check the box. I don't think we can directly link to our computers for the load up, so u might have to place your photo on a photo album on the internet somewhere..theres tons of places to do this free; this gives you an http url to link your photo to and put on the line next to where you checked "I have my own photo."

hope that works, if not go to the tech question thread and ask Allen, he's always lurking, hee hee. hi Allen.

I must say I much appreciate what you've shared here so extensively. I'm really taken aback and my heart goes out to you what you must have gone through with your daughter leaving before you. I don't think I would be able to bear up as well.
so often family members do come back to stay in touch and they actually help us to remain among the living because they do come back and show us they care as well turn the atheists suddenly into believers.
and seeing thru walls!  oh my, like xray vision! see, I was right. objects are somewhat illusionary things in this regard. It looks like you died and did a rather quick merge into universal oneness plane. I'm convinced we can "die" here without the body actually dying. I will post a few of my retrievals over the next few days as I can see you will working in this area for awhile and its one of my favorite subjects too!

talk on a new topic thread to you on the retrieval forum and please let us know if u have trouble with the picture.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/myspace%20graphics/RetrievalAngel.jpg

Wow Vanayssa!  I’m amazed at the detail in your retrieval of your brother.  Smiled at the Park turning into a stage set with wings when there weren’t any people around.  Maybe the helpers were stage hands whom we never see when we watch a play.  

Meeting a Shaman when you needed it so badly is wonderful and reassuring.  You connecting “to all the world, fire, earth, moon, wildlife, water, sun, everything” is great.

Welcome! - Rob

Thanks, Rob. Life is certainly surprising, never know what is coming around the corner and it is so good when we find ways to cope. Always through other people, it seems. Sensitive people who notice those around them sure do make a difference. I see you have made 69 posts, you must have been a member here for quite a while. This is a fun place to be...and there is a lot I can learn from everyone here. Looking forward to finding your posts and reading them. Vanayssa

Hi Vanayssa;
You mentioned Bro a few times, are you "Kwakiutl"?
Meeting a Shaman was quite interesting especially 14 hrs, was it in a sweat lodge? Is there one in Courtney?..sorry for all these questions,i'm BC also and haven't meet too many from these part of the world on Bruce site. Next time i drive through Courtney, i may stop by and have a coffee with you if you up to it..
Heiltsuk Territory here, BellaBella (Waglisla)
With love, Romain
PM if you need more info, and keep up the good work i will get easier with time..:)

Oops, i read this conversation before going into my PM, and there you were Vanasyssa..lol
already asking questions..good timing i do believe.

With love, Romain

Hi Vanayssa - I've only been a member for a couple months.  It is a great place with many fascinating, wonderful and loving members.  I'm glad you're here.

Hi Vanayssa

It it wonderful that you helped your brother. It always seems that the less informed, and those that hold wrong beliefs about the afterlife are always in need of rescue through the retrival process. It would be beautiful if everyone had this knowledge of the afterlife, as those of us that retrive and have wittnessed it for ourselves. But some just refuse to give up their life long beliefs, for as I state in my book: Beyond the Realm.."We are more than phsyical beings",
("The broadminded go forward, while the narrow-minded stand still")

Also I have also seen great deal of spirits in the park at this area that you mentioned by the oceanside. I have seen what is a large covered patio, or veranda with many tables and chairs and benches, with new arrivals, talking, drinking, and having some sort of food on the tables before them. While standing on the slopes, looking down at this vast area of the park, and the massive reception center, it is surely paradise, and a very beautiful place.

Keep up your explorations and retrivals, they get more exciting and more beautiful and interesting everytime you venture there.

Dimensionally Yours,

ricktimet

Hi Rick. Thank you for your lovely message and I AM SO GLAD YOU COULD SEE THE PICNIC AREA!! I thought I had just invented it and I never really felt at all sure it was really there. I am also glad you too could see all the people there...I have been bothered by the possibility that those who are there are kind of isolated and alone, like landing in a gorgeous park in the middle of outer space where no one ever comes, you know? So now I know there really are lots of people there and  I have to just accept that I do not know everything about how all this comes to be and be comfortable with that. Whatever it all is...it works! I appreciate your corroboration of these things. Vanayssa

You two are tweaking my soul-mind!

I used to work at a nature center with the features Rick describes, but on a much smaller scale, and the ocean in Rick's vision was a river with banks that sloped from the patio. This place was a magnet and continually drew people to it, where they'd walk around slowly with serene looks on their faces !  :)
Every time I went to enjoy that view I would be slightly startled by the lack of open expanse of water and the small size of the patio. I even asked some of the old timers when the patio had been scaled back, thinking that maybe erosion had caused them to modify it.

Now I  believe what was imprinted on my mind (and maybe on the minds of the designers of this nature center and its visitors) was The Park and Reception Area in the AL!

Thanks Rick and Vanayssa! for unlocking that beautiful vision!
Bets  :D

Rick's description, from above:
"Also I have also seen great deal of spirits in the park at this area that you mentioned by the oceanside. I have seen what is a large covered patio, or veranda with many tables and chairs and benches, with new arrivals, talking, drinking, and having some sort of food on the tables before them. While standing on the slopes, looking down at this vast area of the park, and the massive reception center, it is surely paradise, and a very beautiful place. "

:D Hi Bet. Thanks for that input! I was just thinking, as I came to boot up the computer, about sleep, wondering if really we are in spirit somewhere, maybe The Park, in sleep, and we only cope with this confusing world for a few hours out of every 24. If that's the case, it seems a fairly manageable commitment! I am wondering  :-/about how the fast-developing climate change issues fit in with the sudden raising of consciousness in many parts of the world. The movie The Secret, and Bob Scheinfeld's book Busting Loose From the Money Game, seek to take us to a place in our inner space where we create by thought, as they do in The Park. Was it hard for my Dad to learn to put up that lovely cottage he lives in there, or is learning to build with thought waves quite easy? If it is, wish I could get a handle on it! And Feelings of course, are important too. I am deeply engrossed right now with Bruce's Home Study Course which I have seen mentioned elsewhere in the postings, and the part where he is pretending to try to learn to tightrope-walk. And talking to the Parts of himself! I am looking forward to getting further into the book and to the actual explorations of the AL. Sooner or later I will learn to create with thought and feeling successfully...and can create a home without a mortgage broker...now there's a good practical reason to pursue AL studies. Anyway...onward to breakfast and dog-walking. Thanks again, Bet. Vanayssa

Hi people,
half a year ago I tried to participate in the TMI's "Exploration 27" at my home, in my mind. One time, on my way to F27, I came over a great ocean. I landed at a coast, and there was a sort of outside-cafe, like a beach cafe; I was with a group, and we were sitting at little tables, 3 or 4 people at each table, I had a big cup of icecream. There were even waiters. It was so much icecream I was sorry that I couldn't eat it all up, cause I had to go on with the others, and when we left the waiter hadn't much to do with cleaning up the tables, the dishes just vanished. This coast-beach cafe area was I felt very extensive, in a long line along the way down the coast of that ocean. The ocean was not a normal one, it changed when I observed it. One time it was an ocean, dark and rough, the other time plain, then only fog, or a formless grey. It represented a kind of border, a grey zone, of F27; from over the ocean the deceased would come and enter F27. Like in old sayings the border of death was marked by a river or an ocean. I felt the reception area was just a few steps away, The Park, and there is a sort of gate, and buildings there.

Except The Park, I haven't read or heard from others what I've seen there.

So, maybe we've been at the same place.

Spooky

Ice Cream! Of course. I am always so strung out with anxiety when I enter The Park or the Picinic area, that I never think of enjoying myself. Next time...I will pause and taste the ice cream/peanut butter sandwiches. That will be a new goal! Try to relax! Thanks for sharing those things, Spooky. Vanayssa

Hi Vanayssa, happy to meet you. I've been away from this forum for awhile but thought I'd stop in and see what all I've missed. The retrieval of your brother was great.  I also took Gateway Voyage in 2000 in September and then went on to take 3 more programs and have done many retrievals as that is part of my life path. BTW, I live in the far NE corner of WA state so I'm not that terribly far from you, probably 500 miles. (and dear Romain ;-) )  I think that you will find that everytime you do a retrieval, you are also retrieving/healing a part of yourself.

Love, Mairlyn

Thank you for your notes,  Mairlyn. It is so difficult to manage one's various human needs and yearnings when the family of origin is busy tearing itself to pieces and no one can do anything right and everyone is trying to correct everyone else, including even the most unhealthy members (who seem above all to believe their negative view of things is the correct one, strangely enough).
One of my family members actually lives in the town I am moving to, and I have not even told them I am moving there...the burden of family problems is too great, and I don't handle it in a helpful way anyhow. And this is very typical, I gather, of dysfunctional families, this not talking, not sharing, thing. We all give up on each other after a few years.
But being able to send healing to them in the non physical has been a tremendous boon to me, as i don't have to get involved in arguing and self-protection etc, just gather myself together, call on the healers, and give an hour or two over to these very beloved people who can't trust or get along with me or each other.
When they pass over, I get to help them find The Park and get them started in their new life, and wow, what a gift it is to have this wonderfully secret ability to help them when they most need it, even though I can't find my way to a relationship with them in this life.
A buddhist writer, very popular these days, I forget his name, a monk, some of you will have read him, advised in one book I bought to love them to pieces and phone them and say, my darling, darling sister, I love you so much, I cannot bear to have these troubles between us, and so on, and I actually tried that (which was NOT easy to do!!) and it did not work at all...I dunno the answer but I sure am glad I can go looking for them when they leave the physical and all their troubles and say, here I am, I love you so much, let me take you to Dad or Mom or whoever and everything will be fine.
As my compassion grows (hopefully it will) I possibly can do better with at least some of my siblings (those who are left, not many at this point).
Nice to think we are not too far from each other. No doubt it will be possible for us to meet in the not too distant future! Romain is quite a ways up the coast from me, but maybe we should have, you know, hey, a Moen Board NW Coast conference or something. Vee

Vee,

That was very touching and well presented. You are quite an accomplished retriever. Did you say that you are working with Bruce's guidebook and cds? I just ordered them and I can't wait to see what happens next. When I start doing retrievals can I pick your brain?

I was sent on a retrieval some time back when I did not know what it was. I got so confused
by this empty shell of a person that I ran away...ooops. lol I do think it was a partial retrieval because my presence there did stir him from his stillness and I saw another aspect of himself coming toward me from another direction. Very confussing stuff. I was given another chance and was successful. And now it is a gift that keeps giving back to me, how great is that!

Good Job Vee!
Love Stacy

Hi Stacy. Thanks for the post! One thing I have found when doing readings for people or doing retrievals or whatever, it doesn't take much to get someone moving in the right direction..it just takes the tiniest intimation of the right thing. So when you were practicing a retrieval and thought you messed it up, it might have been more perfect, but it sounds like you stirred the person and woke them up...that's the main thing. The reason we stay stuck is we don't wake up...when someone attends TMI and does Gateway, one of the things they listen to is a tape on which is a retrieval of a man named Patrick, a sailor hundreds of years ago, who was drowned in a shipwreck and spent about three hundred years floating in the sea, as he thought, clutching a piece of driftwood, which all was very real to him, no sense of passage of time though. But he was so distraught, it was so pitiful, some students get really angry because they feel so traumatized, having to listen to that tape. But the guy didn't know he was dead, that was the problem, and no sense of time, so the main thing he needed was to realize it was an illusion. No ocean, no driftwood, all in the past, he was now in the non physical. So just waking someone up, is a terrific gift. The tape is available from the store at TMI too. Vee

Originally, I posted the story of my brother's retrieval on January 20, and I wanted to add today, July 30, that I have visited my brother a few times since then in The Park. I am not accomplished at conversing with people there much, and hope to improve in that area. A week or so ago, he "tapped me on the shoulder" so to speak while I was doing other stuff, I had not been to see him for quite a while, and so I took a few minutes to go drop in on him and see what he wanted. First, he wanted to show me that he had built a home for himself, that is, a house type of home. When he first went to the park he built himself a forest, which is what he likes best, but now he has completed work on a cedar shake house, only he has left out one of the walls, overlooking the valley below his forest, so he can be in his house or he can move out onto his cedar deck by just walking out where the wall should be, you know? It's kind of neat, only you could only do that in a part of the universe where you could control the weather!! He was sitting out on his deck looking proud when I arrived and he mostly wanted to show me a couple other things, one is, he has of course been looking after traumatized animals since his "demise", lots of wild and small animals, but now he has been given responsibility for a large herd of horses who have passed in difficulty. I could see them in the valley below his forest, and he had been sitting on his deck watching over them. They were very aware of us, kind of connnected to him by some kind of invisible energy field, constantly aware of his caring presence there, one horse in particular drew my attention, must be the leader I guess, and this horse is sort of roughly a creamy color and has a black streak down his handsome nose, a very proud and pretty large horse. The other thing he wanted to show me was, he is now growing marijuana and enjoying it. I guess alcohol does not work very well in The Park so he has been looking for an alternative, I guess to satisfy his cravings, I don't know since I don't converse well with them there yet, but he was happy and pleased and also kind of wanted to shock and maybe annoy me a little. Still a brother, ya know? Vee

Hi again Vee,
building houses, cultivating forests, forming landscapes seems to be a favorite for many people over there (maybe even growing marijuana lol). I once felt I should create a place through my imagination for a person who is still living, as then, when this person passes over, a nice place is already there. It was a wooden hut in a wild meadow with woods around.  Horses I've seen often lately when I was attempting to meet a deceased person I know.

Spooky

Hi Spooky. Thanks for that comment. I wonder if anyone has gone to one of the places like The Park (and no doubt others) and gone to work creating a City?? And if so, how big? What would be the reason for a City's existence? Cities historically came into being with the industrial revolution I think, and exploded in population because the factories offered jobs and wages to people used to living with very little, I'm not clear on that history any more. I guess there would not be any reason for someone going to the Park to create a City of any real size. We always seem to want to create, like you said, woodland, wild flowers, stuff like that. Nice little cabins. Like my brother has done, and my dad. I was talking to someone recently and we remarked how it is difficult to feel lonely when you are in the forest...there is something about true nature that makes humans feel like they are not alone. Unless, I guess, a grizzly bear is chasing you. But no one in The Park creates grizzly bears. I don't think. Maybe no one has retrieved any. Maybe I should go out and try and find one to retrieve...the mind boggles. By the time we get out of this dense physical existence, we seem to want peace and quiet and beautiful things around us. But there must be some people who pass over and still want the Action of City Life. Vee

hey there Vee, yes I knew a lady, well, I was asked to retrieve her. a young woman I found walking in the city..of all things, she was merrily shopping! for some, maybe we  cannot get enough of shopping. it is fun. she was a person who went to the gym a lot to keep her body in shape. so naturally I was picking up that she liked to dress up and do that shopping thing. her boyfriend did not believe me, although he asked me to retrieve her, but I know it was genuine, because I did not know that she went to the gym a lot, I just asked him later, did she work out? and it was true. I was getting that she needed to sort of get the shopping out of her system, and that she would be ok there for the moment. her boyfriend was missing her badly, but she was not concerned with the relationship for the moment. so we have a city scene there for her, but I was not getting that she had created the city, but that it had been created before she died.

on the other hand my husband produced somehow a house, with a split level floor when he passed on. I knew he liked this step up floor plan but didn't know he liked it that well, to implement one for himself, but my attention was directly drawn to the floor when I was out there looking.

the more I think about it, this visit with him must have been a retrieval because of the appearance of two male guides who were talking in earnest to him about involving him in some project, something to do with opening him up, a play they were putting on. I had gotten his attention, I do believe for the guides to come in.

my sister showed me a new house. (deceased) a ranch style, very conventional style, and my sister is a conventional gal. so now, I always see a cabin in the woods and little streams, I may use it for a vacation someday! love, alysia

OK, I never thought of that before!! A shot of pure horror and dismay shot through my system when I read your post, Alysia. I had never before realized, of course, let's cut through all the lingo here, WHEN I DIE I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHOP ANY MORE!!! AAAHHHHH!! That never occurred to me before. I better start going over there and begin building a Mall. Maybe two or three. Will I need permission from somebody? I wonder. Where will I get the goods from? How will I stock everything? If I already know what's there, it won't be any fun shopping. OK, enough of the little cabins. I need a Lamborghini and a Montana's steak house. I've gotta get on this. Bob Monroe never talked about any of this important stuff in his books, nor Bruce either. What an oversight. OK, if I can't have a Mall, maybe I can be content with landscaping and a big garden. I could put in a Butchart's Gardens sort of thng. That would keep me busy. Worry worry. Anyway. The old saying "So much to do, so little Time," won't apply, so I can keep at it as long as I want. If I can learn to converse with my brother and dad over there, maybe I can learn more about this stuff. I know some things are ordinary, like they eat if they feel like it, though I guess that energy body probably doesn't really need food as fuel. I found my brother and dad having a barbecue in my dad's back yard one day. They must have meat without having to slaughter animals. So they just invent the steaks somehow.  So if they can do that, then we really could have a Montana's. Anyway. Maybe the heat is getting to me. Vee

Hi Vee, great story of your bros retrieval. I am also on the Island. Bamfield. You know Paul Alder, one of TMI's trainers is here on the Island also. In Port Alberni. He does work shops out of his house and around the Island.
Joe

forum members on an island? how cool is that?

Vee my post just committed suicide. was laughing at your post so hard about the shopping.
well, a girl's gotta do what a girls gotta do I guess!

anybody interested you can google Mathew letters. the story behind this a teenage son bailed out intentionally in order to come back as a channeller to his mother, who jots down everything he says about the afterlife.
among other things, those newly passed on are taught to think themselves to a location, or person, or a car is produced if they're not ready for learning flight.

I'm pretty sure he designed his life to be short so he and his mom could bring knowledge of the afterlife to the general public. they are a good team.

love, alysia

http://www.matthewbooks.com/books.html

Hi Alysia, thanks for that note about Matthew, I will go and look at that site. Vee

Originally, I posted the story of my brother's retrieval on January 20, and I wanted to add today, July 30, that I have visited my brother a few times since then in The Park. I am not accomplished at conversing with people there much, and hope to improve in that area. A week or so ago, he "tapped me on the shoulder" so to speak while I was doing other stuff, I had not been to see him for quite a while, and so I took a few minutes to go drop in on him and see what he wanted. First, he wanted to show me that he had built a home for himself, that is, a house type of home. When he first went to the park he built himself a forest, which is what he likes best, but now he has completed work on a cedar shake house, only he has left out one of the walls, overlooking the valley below his forest, so he can be in his house or he can move out onto his cedar deck by just walking out where the wall should be, you know? It's kind of neat, only you could only do that in a part of the universe where you could control the weather!! He was sitting out on his deck looking proud when I arrived and he mostly wanted to show me a couple other things, one is, he has of course been looking after traumatized animals since his "demise", lots of wild and small animals, but now he has been given responsibility for a large herd of horses who have passed in difficulty. I could see them in the valley below his forest, and he had been sitting on his deck watching over them. They were very aware of us, kind of connnected to him by some kind of invisible energy field, constantly aware of his caring presence there, one horse in particular drew my attention, must be the leader I guess, and this horse is sort of roughly a creamy color and has a black streak down his handsome nose, a very proud and pretty large horse. The other thing he wanted to show me was, he is now growing marijuana and enjoying it. I guess alcohol does not work very well in The Park so he has been looking for an alternative, I guess to satisfy his cravings, I don't know since I don't converse well with them there yet, but he was happy and pleased and also kind of wanted to shock and maybe annoy me a little. Still a brother, ya know? Vee

It sounds like your brother has created a great place to be while he considers his next move. Working with the animals most likely is very satisfying also. I guess being out of a body must make it different to do the pot thing. Can't hurt himself by smoking. No lungs to hurt or stuff like that. No fingers to burn with the roach. Perhaps he eats it? I find it interesting that he would even want to do it. If you get the chance, ask him what the purpose of the pot is there. Like you said, it might br just to annoy you.
Joe

Thanks for the post, Joe. I have read somewhere that alcoholics who pass over still crave alcohol for a long time and it doesn't work the same way on that body, which is very frustrating for the addict. I am guessing that my brother has started using marijuana as a way of settling his brain down since he craves alcohol and it won't work for him any more. They grow all kinds of plants there, so why not mary jane, I guess. When you stop to think about it, addiction is a product of our imagination, just like astral travel to the Park is, and responses to sugar pills, and probably pretty much everything we do and see, so if I were an addict and went over there, and discovered how easy it was to build things using the power of imagination, I would for sure start trying to use my imagination to get my substance and enjoy it the same, but of course that body wouldn't necessarily process any substance the same way as this body does...or this body has been trained to, by our imagination...this is where it all goes off course since our imagination is probably an imaginary thing anyway...I never seem to get any further than that, it implodes right there. I also don't know if my brother used marijuana in addition to alcohol but it seems likely he would, he did smoke all his life and deliberately sat down in his cabin alone to drink himself to death after a cancer in his kidney recurred, his body must have been in pretty awful shape when he began this next chapter of his life in the Park. I haven't been given any info on any healing time or hospital time or whatever he went through after I left him there the first time. Vee

hi Vee, have a suggestion: the next time you see your brother suggest to him whatever he "feels" when imbibing the pot, that he can bring that feeling into himself without the actual substance. with practice he will maintain the experience of being high at all times with his mind control.

the more I think on this retrieval I'm reminded when I visited with my deceased exhusband awhile back. it was a sleep retrieval I am thinking now.

Mike was an alchoholic. I learned later his pancreas was totally dead organ while he still yet walked around in his body. didn't know that could happen. gives new meaning to the phrase "walking dead man."  
so in the retrieval I was just appearing in his living room as my intention was to be checking out his welfare on the other side, his spiritual progress.
no one was in the room at first so I waited and he walked in looked at me, sat down some small object. now I think it was a glass. he liked bourban in a glass. but I blocked it out what he sat down, as I wanted to believe, that he was over the addiction. now I think I just didn't want to see that glass.

so anyhoo, part of my intention I remember now, for going to see him was to inquire about the addiction, so I must have had this thought in my mind and he sat the glass down due to 1) out of respect for me or: 2) he really had sat liquor down, to be done with it.

the reason I'm thinking I did  a retrieval rather than a visit, is two guides showed up in his kitchen and began talking to him about his future. I got the feeling the guides had been to see him more than once, that they were working on him friendly like. he was slow to warm up to new ideas. maybe stubborn is the word.

so if they were there before me, then maybe it wasn't a bonafide retrieval, I just know retrievals always have guides handy somewhere in the picture. well, in the beginning phases the guides are there. its not always they reveal themselves though.
I'd like to think I had something to do with the help he was getting, to advance along, he was such a non social type guy, and the guides were trying to get him out of himself into social and team work type environments, so it was all good.

love, alysia