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Message started by george stone on Jan 14th, 2007 at 5:07pm

Title: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by george stone on Jan 14th, 2007 at 5:07pm
Something strange is going on regrading my body,and nobody seems to know what it is.Some say it is biofeedback.iv read all about this,but no its not that.ivread about the power of the mind,but that not it.Try as I may I cannot find what I have.If I want my hand to move,it moves on it own,with any efford by me,if i set in a chair and ask my head to move to the right or left,it will.If I ask my eyes to close they will.even my legs.Ive even tryed googel.they have never heard of it.does anybody on the board know what this is called?

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by OutOfBodyDude on Jan 14th, 2007 at 5:18pm
Very strange.  I have recently read a scientific report stating that what we call "free will", for example moving parts of our body ourself, is not the case in reality.  It has been reported that our subconscious minds are actually what causes us to move, and it is picked up by our conscious minds only slightly after the action.  So it is as if our lives are actually dictated by our subconsious rather than our conscious mind.  Very interesting... your situation reminded me of this.

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by dave_a_mbs on Jan 14th, 2007 at 6:12pm
Sounds reasonable to me, George. If I want to type, my fingers and hands move etc. However, it also sounds like you have severed the direct proprioceptive linkages by which the sense of translation of your urges into motion are normally sensed. This is a purely "functional" effect - brought on by the way you are "holding your mind" so to say. It's harmless, unless you find your body going out to the movies without you.

My suggestion is to do a ritual which ought to bring you some idea of what's the purpose.

1. Make the decision to know, even if the understanding is uncomfortable.
2. For the purpose of gaining this understanding, take a clean glass and fill it with water normally.
3. On a clean sheet of paper, preferably using a new pen, write something like, "I seek understanding of the purpose of the motion. I ask God and all of God's assistants to being this to me."
4. Dip a corner of the paper in the  water to get the message generalized to at least two media.
5. Set it into motion by saying something like, "I do this to involve my energy in discovery of what I wish to understand." Then burn the paper - that sends the message into the air. Drink the water, that sends the message into the water inside you. Toss the wet bit of paper into a hole (a flower pot is OK to transfer the message into elemental earth.

Then wait to see what you are told. Usually the message will be abstract, acted out rather than specific, and will involve feeling more than thinking. Whatever you get back, write it down, but don;t try to analyze it immediately. Wait three days as you accumulate feedback, and then see hat it seems to be trying to express.

This is not a perfect method, but is seems amazingly powerful for some types of information. I've used it for years in one or another form.

PUL
d

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by george stone on Jan 15th, 2007 at 12:29am
Dave,something amazing happened tonight.My legs are very bad.My right leg is paining all the time,even while sleeping the pain wakes me up.Tonight the pain was so bad that I was trashing my leg around to ease the pain.Then I thought why not move my leg with my mind.As I did this,the pain stopped.I could not believe This.I just moved my leg back and forward very slow.Its not paining now,Thank God for that.Maybe its for healing.But I will try what you said.Love George

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by dave_a_mbs on Jan 15th, 2007 at 1:09am
OK George, you found the solution. Comes in those two terms you used -

1.  I'll do it

2.  Thank God

PUL
d

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by DocM on Jan 15th, 2007 at 4:57pm
Hey Dave,

I like your evolution in intent.  First, a few months ago, you recommended bonding intent with drinking water.  I believe you mentioned a three-legged spell there.  Now you've got fire/air, water  and earth involved with setting intent.  Pretty neat.  The Wiccans could learn a lot from your ideas (or maybe they know this already.

Of course the purpose in the ceremony is to bind the intention to your subconscious; to see it as if it had happened; to give thanks for the knowledge, knowing it is on the way.  

George, my take on this.  If consciousness exists independently from the physical, then all our actions in the physcial are being initiated on a plane that is outside of our biology (as is all our thought).  If you believe we only experience that which our central nervous system translates, then you have to come up with strange excuses on how we as shuman beings can do certain things; Typing, playing flight of the bumblebee, etc....

Swedenborg felt that there was no action but through heaven's grace and spirit; that we could not take one step in the physical world without it.  If consciousness is the prime mover, and if it is not found in the physical plane, then many things are possible.

M

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by dave_a_mbs on Jan 16th, 2007 at 8:04pm
Hi Doc -
OK I'm busted. The three gunas - action, stasis and mutability - are central to ancient Hindu thought, and can be found as early as the Egyptian Papyrus of Ani as organizing principles. My wife IS Wiccan - the informal kind, and this is how we run the household. The goal is simply to get life energy directed (like aiming a gun) and then released (pulling the trigger) while holding the target still. It's all the same stuff as my clnical work in which I do little more than high pressure sales of good health to people in a semi comatose state of relaxation. :-)
d

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by george stone on Jan 17th, 2007 at 1:21pm
Hey doc.How do you explane this? I am setting in a chair,Then I amagin my spirit leaving my body,and going for a run.After this my breading starts to pick,as if I were running,as I amagin my spirit coming to a incline,I becan to breath faster and faster,Im panting for breath.What is happening here?George

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by DocM on Jan 17th, 2007 at 1:29pm
George,

This happened in the movie The Matrix.  Keanu Reeves is practicing martial arts in virtual reality.  After a workout, he is breathing hard (in the virtual world his brain is hooked up to).  Morphues, his mentor looks at him, and says (as Keanu huffs and puffs), "you think that is really air you are breathing?"  "Hmmm.." and raises his eyebrows in amusement.  

Our consciousness feels it is based here in the physical, but it is not (dreams are a perfect example).  Our bodies here in the physical are a vehicle for expression of our spirit.  


Matthew

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by george stone on Jan 17th, 2007 at 6:16pm
Doc,it sure feels like air that I am breathing,because I can feel it right down to my balie and my chest is rising with every breath.Did you try the email I sent?George

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by DocM on Jan 18th, 2007 at 12:53am
George, I sent you an email but it was returned for a wrong address.


M

Title: Re: Is spirit moving parts of my body?
Post by george stone on Jan 18th, 2007 at 1:32pm
Try this email address doc.Gstone2512@rogers.com  This is my home address.I wont be able to read it untill I return home in march.Thanks doc

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