I know we dont have a physical body anymore when we die and i know physical pain is a physical consequence but i was just wondering it there could be physical pain in the afterlife or would it be strictly emotional

I have the suspicion that neither applies. If reincarnation is a valid concept then there has to be some payoff in returning to the corporeal body otherwise what would be the purpose? My own theory is that life, at the spiritual level, is not as glorious as we are made to believe; indeed, it could be more mundane and lacking in colour and in most of our known senses. It seems to me that this Garden of Eden of our hopes and dreams is this planet that we inhabit. Our main problem is that we do not recognise it. I would suspect that the purpose of physical senses is to enable us to enjoy and appreciate what we have but along with this we are endowed with the element of choice, possibly to make our lives more interesting and more valuable, if not, more complicated but, that same element of choice appears to be our Achilles Heel.

Well the fact is that some people indeed get stuck in their own personal hells after they die.  Now obviously much emotional suffering can be caused from this.  However, as I was talking with wonderful yesterday I was unsure about the physical pain situation. Of course we do not have physical bodies.  But I was thinking, if lets say you do not know you are dead, and someone in your hell tries to hurt you... since you do not know you are dead, you will think that whatever damage is inflicted upon you is in fact happening to your physical body, and will therefore percieve the pain associated with the physical body.  What are everyones feelings about this idea???

Interesting thoughts..

I think we can perhaps experience what we choose to experience there.  I know that astrally, I've experienced pleasurable sensations..so why not pain also?  I don't suppose there would be lasting effects to whatever brings the pain..such as the pain of a broken leg..in the here, would/could cause issues years down the road, whereas there, it wouldn't?

Hi Wonderful 27  There is no physical pain in the spirit world,the only thing is that when a spirit communicates through the medium,is that they can give the medium the symptons and pain they felt before the actual death of there physical body and thats just to prove to the medium,that they are who they say they are,for the person who they are trying to communicate to through the medium.

So pain does not exist in the afterlife.

Love and God bless you all and a merry christmas and a happy new year.

Love you all Juditha

Hi Wonderful27,


wonderful27 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2006 at 6:44pm:

. . . was just wondering it there could be physical pain in the afterlife or would it be strictly emotional

From my own explorations I haven't any doubt that we can experience physical pain in our afterlife existence.  Of course, as you say we don't actually have a physical body there so how could this be possible.  Within nonphysical reality thoughts can be things.  If I am unaware of my death, perhaps due to a sudden unexpected death or other reason, my normal expectation of being in my physical body can create what I will experience as a physical body.  The expectation or memory of physical pain can create that pain within my experience.  The pain is not actually being experienced in physical reality by a physical body, but from the perspective of the person experiencing the pain it feels the same.

In my first book, Voyages Into the Unknown, I recounted the experience of retrieving an aspect of self, Joshua, from a previous lifetime.  I/Joshua was trapped within a reality in which I/he was experiencing the pain of the infection in my/his liver, from a spear wound, that killed me.  The pain had been so intense at the time of death it was all I/Joshua had all of my attention focused on as I/he died.  I/Joshua was stuck after a death by continuously experiencing the pain at that death that occurred thousands of years ago.  As readers of that story know in my present lifetime I developed a medical condition in my liver that was caused by I/Joshua being stuck in that state.  After retrieving that aspect of myself, over a period of several years, that condition is no longer a problem.

It's experiences like these that drive me to continue teaching the Art of Retrieval.  There are many of our fellow human beings stuck after death in simply awful conditions.  And many will remain stuck until one of us provides the assistance necessary retrieve them so that healing can begin.

Bruce

so that other you was feeling that pain in his liver for that long jeez i dont even wanna die now

I'm with you, wonderful27. The more I hear of this stuff, the more leery I become of dying. It truly does sound like a jungle in there. What surprises me is that since people have been dying forever, I'd like to think the afterlife would be more highly organized. But getting stuck in pain for hundreds of years? Until some passerby happens to stumble upon me?  Yikes!

I believe we are talking of a different kind of pain.  If someone dies who was in terrible physical pain prior to death, what I have read seems to indicate that either the pain is gone once the physical pain ceases, or the person has to come to the realization that it is a self imposed pain in the mind, and can disappear with the realization that the thought of pain, can be banished in the spiritual realm.  

I can see that if it were something very traumatic, such as a spear through the liver, that it might be hard to shake in spirit.  

Some spiritualists believe that birthmarks behind an ear, by a limb, represent this scar as a reminder to the soul or a "carry over" from a previous life.

I am not clear on whether I believe in reincarnation or simply souls being grouped into families or units, where we may regress to episodes of another's life.  If you take me, Doc and wipe my memories clean, experiences that made me who I am, and just take the pure awareness I have of the universe, is it still me - shorn of knowledge, likes and dislikes?  A pretty heady question, but thus far I believe that we are individual incarnations of a disc or family.  We may access the family/disc and believe it was "us" in a previous life.  

Either way, all of this is food for thought.  And with the tryptophan coursing through my system after a full turkey/Christmas/Holiday lunch, I don't think I can handle any more food, real or otherwise at the moment.

Merry Christmas to all

Matthew

In regressions people generally report that when they die their pain ceases and they feel great. BUT-

Bruce cites a case of carrying pain along for a few lifetimes. This kind of thing seems to be quite common, and is especially common when people also carry guilt, blame, anger or other strong emotion (including desire with some issues of attachments) - the emotion binds the pain so that both have to be released at one instant. As a past life worker I get lots of these, and they are essentially as Bruce recounted, just a matter of letting go.

My "worst case" example is a young woman with anxiety about death who insisted on going through the entirety of a cardiac infarct - pain in shoulders and arms, angine pectoris etc - the whole schmear. And then she was done with it. Meanwhile she put herself through a great deal of what seemed to her to be very real agony.

The uisual :"pain" reported by those without physical issues is sim[ply to recognize (1) the waste of their lifetime, (2) how badly they have acted in the face of PUL (3) recognition of themselves in those whom they had hurt and the sense of vilation of their own love. While these seem minor to us, when all you are is an opinion of yourself in the spirit world, they seem insurmountable catastrophes, and that motivates people into selecting "curative future lives" by carrying karma into their next incarnations to "teach themselves" etc. Usually we're awfully hard on ourselves at such times.

dave

Okay --- here is a simple answer.  Have you ever heard of phantom pain?  Suppose a person had a toe removed/severed.  That person can tell you that his toe is hurting even when it no longer is attached.  That is a memory.  Have you ever heard of sympathy pain?  Many a husband has had morning sickness and labor pains for his wife during the pregnancy.  This is also a memory, albeit  from a past life memory.  When we pass over to the next dimension, we take with us our memory.  Henceforth, we may "remember the pain", but in actuality, there is no pain in spirit form.  
Years ago I had projected myself into another dimension. I suddenly found myself in the kitchen looking at the table.  One of my children was moving the table with one hand and lifted it up off the floor.  I said to myself, "this must be a dream.  If it is, I can pass through the kitchen wall."  I  walked over to the wall which faced the outside of the house, the started pushing my hands with all my might to get them through the wall. I felt excruciating pain in my arms, which woke me up  with quite a start!  My memory said that it would hurt, so it did.     I don't recall my dying father saying he felt pain when he passed over  then came back ( Later to pass over that same evening).  He enjoyed a train ride to "home".  Persons who have had NDEs Near death experiences have had many wonderful, peaceful, pain free releases to talk about.  No need to fear death.  "It's a breeze".
Love and Light Carol Ann