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Message started by OutOfBodyDude on Dec 5th, 2006 at 1:07am

Title: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by OutOfBodyDude on Dec 5th, 2006 at 1:07am
http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

I just happened to stumble upon this website. I was blow away. The source of this information was an aprentice to a shaman for 13 years and attended and worked with Robert Monroe. He not only validates Robert Monroes and Bruce Moens information, but has a vast amount of information on everything you could possibly want to know about. I'm convinced this guy is the real deal. And the information he gives makes so much sense. He learned this the way we all learn.. from experiences. The same way Bruce and Robert learned the things they have learned and shared, this man has done the same. But it seems he has learned much, much more. Everyone should check this out. Im buying the books asap.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by betson on Dec 5th, 2006 at 9:40am
Greetings,
Thanks for sharing that link.
Did you get to see the graphics? My Mac didn't pick up the graphics. I like to see visuals because '1000 words'  ;) goes into a picture so pictures reveal alot. The only one I got was a small version of Bruce's Disk concept, --- nothing new there as far as I could tell.
In the excerpts he kept referring to the genderization issue but that's old news.  He does emphasize a newer vocabulary that might give topics a new appeal, such as 'matrix', 'games',' lots of Vs, etc.
Did you check out the main authors through google? Not that every blog gets it right, but there are quite a few dubious or critical responses out there. I google/screened this site, for example,  when I started coming here and everyone spoke respectfully of it, even if they couldn't get into the experiences themselves.
I'd be sorry if you spent all that money and found out you already knew as much as the author actually knows.

Betson

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by augoeideian on Dec 5th, 2006 at 10:21am
I don't care for the way they dismiss the ancient wisdom of Astrology. Also seems like a bit of plagiarism of Bruce's work to me  ;)

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Lucy on Dec 5th, 2006 at 10:52am
Well, dude, I look forward to your report on the book but I feel a little skeptical about the book itself.

There's this whole set of ..literature? writing? books?..out there that fall into an in-between category. Not fiction, posing as fact, but too much information for one person to realistically acquire in a lifetime. I hope when you read this book you will look for some opf the other books that have benn in print even over the past 10 years. Then think again about which ones are real and which are speculation.

At least I feel there is a kind of integrity in Monroe's work. He appears to have written only about what he experienced and he didn't go into any weird theories to explain it.

I don't recall the name of the book I read about 10 years ago on the reptilians but I might recognize it if I came across it. I read it on an interlibrary loan so I know it is out in the public somewhere. I had heard of the reptilians and I just didn't get it. I didn't get it after I read the book either. It all just looked more ridiculous. But it would be worth taking a look at and comparing to this book.

In looking for more info on this book, I came across a vampire trilogy written by Whitley Strieber. Is that the same Whitley Strieber who wrote about aliens? See....I found John Mack's work on alien abductions compelling. I am willing to listen to Mack. I haven't read Whitley Strieber's alien work, but if he's into vampire trilogies, well, I'm not sure I'm interetsed, because he loses credibility with me when he starts writing that kind of fiction. Maybe I'm wrong. I just have my limits.

I tried finding your book on Amazon, where it is one of the few books not to be found. But books with Matix lV in title show up...written by a group of people with a pen name. Is Val Valerian a real person?

And when we get into the 12-strand DNA, I have to say, I have never seen any evidence for 12-strand DNA. I don't doubt that changes mau be afoot, but why do we have to invoke psuedo-science to call for those changes? Why can't the changes stand on their own?

Don't know what to think about this sort of thing. I hope you will share more info when you have it. Good thing to discuss.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Lucy on Dec 5th, 2006 at 10:54am
Like, this is not really a breakthrough. I'm seeing things I have seen elsewhere. Looks like a plagaristic synthesis of alot of things.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by DocM on Dec 5th, 2006 at 11:08am
I'm going to read through all of it when I have time, but I am bothered by the arrogance and the tone.  The author says he is "way beyond" Monroe's "simplistic" work, and shows no love or compassion in his writing.  One thing I have noticed about enlightened souls is that they seem to freely encompass love, acceptance and forgiveness.  This author does not - at least in the way he writes.  

Then we get into aliens, Star Trek (even philisophical discussions on Star Trek), and you have to wonder.  This is the author's belief system.  He is passionate about it.  Wants everyone to know that they will be duped like cattle if they don't learn his insight, but it is still his belief system about the universe and higher self.

I'll give it a complete read when I have more time, but the arrogance factor bothers me.


M

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Romain on Dec 5th, 2006 at 11:42am
I have the book Matrix V - Quest of the Spitit- the ultimate frontier, second edition 2001.. yeah it's ok..lot of stuff there but a lot of copy and paste from other authors too, but in his own words.
Bought it cause he was talking a lot about RAM and his techniques. Try to join his posting board then and was refuse cause according to him was not advance enough, you needed to be a last incarnation to join, just told me to go back and re-read the book..lol
He's got some good stuffs but some are farfletch too, gess it depends how you read/understand it.
He definetely do not like womens in his writings,for a gay person that's kind of strange.In his writing he definetely says he is, and not keeping/staying with is relations/companion cause they are not advance enouft for him..so be it.

Also says his book is in a special place in the library in F27, if you can find it go for it, i haven't as of yet. :-[

Very arrogant ..agree with DocM here and the tone isn't too great..kind of: LIsten I AM telling the truth and follow ME.Noth much compassion and forgiveness there. But he is a FINAL INCARNATION so he's allowed..and definetely not coming back  ::)

Got some nice colour Pictures of the library and where his book "The Matrix" is situated...right at the entrace for all too see. And nice picture of Shim (he/she) and the higher self living construct ..does look like Moen's HS too. It's a big book like 300 pages or so, and has a lot of Q & A for those that do not follow his thinking..but you have to if you want to reach you final incarnation and stay away from the "Game".
Got it in 2001 read it, took what i need and not it's sitting under my monitor to give it height been there're since... ;D

Anyone who wants it and willing to come and get it..it's free. Don't need it anymore.

Romain.


Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by OutOfBodyDude on Dec 5th, 2006 at 12:54pm
Ill buy it off of you if your willing to ship it to me  ;D If its not too much trouble for you, just tell me how much you want for it.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by OutOfBodyDude on Dec 5th, 2006 at 12:58pm
Yes, maybe it is copy and pasted material... but just because he has the same theories as others doesnt mean he did not reach these conclusions on his own. Im not trying to back him up because I do not know anything about him, Im just being realistic. Bruce Moen has many same theories that Robert Monroe has. But I don't hear anyone saying that hes "copying and pasting" off of Monroe. Think about that. Whos to say he hasn't really gathered this information on his own. Whether this is factual material or not, it does make some sense and I don't see any harm in it. You can make your own conclusions, which you obviously are. Maybe if I knew how the universe worked I would be a little arrogant too. You don't know unless your in those shoes.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by recoverer on Dec 5th, 2006 at 1:23pm
I saw this a while ago and didn't feel like I wanted to invest my energy in it. Therefore, I can't say what a thorough investigation found. Just what I felt initially.

$64.22 and up for a book you buy over the internet eh? Money couldn't possible have anything to do with it. If I really had the truth to reveal, I don't know if I could bring myself to charge this much. It's so easy for a person to read a bunch of books, and them come up with their own "special" teaching.

Caryn mentioned Astrology. I don't know anything about astrology, but have noticed that parts of Robert Monroe's and Bruce Moen's books speak of astrology in a manner which suggests that it does have a place in the scheme of things.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Chumley on Dec 5th, 2006 at 1:49pm
Maybe if I knew how the universe worked I would be a little arrogant too. You don't know unless your in those shoes.
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ALBERT EINSTEIN didn't claim to know how the universe worked. Neither
did Newton, or Werner Heiseberg yadda yadda. Yet these men could honestly claim they'd come about as CLOSE as anyone could come to "knowing everything" about the universe...
Now this clown claims that he "knows how the universe works", and is charging people $64.00 a pop to teach them in his (proprietary!) book he's got for sale on the Internet? (I read the site a bit. Looks like he's trying to make hay with the 2012 bugaboo. That put the red flags up for me!)
That IS arrogant, I'll agree. (AND - am I the only one who smells snake-oil here..?)

B-man

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Vicky on Dec 5th, 2006 at 2:49pm
WOW!  I cannot believe the utter arrogance of this guy.  I haven't read the book and wouldn't waste my time...I'm busy doing my OWN study and research to come to my own conclusions.  That's the appeal of Bruce's and Monroe's work...they tell us to seek our own experiences and find our own beliefs.  Even if this guy here did come to his own conclusions solely through his own experiences, does he say anywhere that he wishes this for others?  It sounds to me like he thinks promoting his book is all we will ever need in order to know the truth.  The reason I doubt there is any truth to this guy's claims is BECAUSE of his arrogance.  People like him act from fear not love, bottom line.


Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by laffingrain on Dec 5th, 2006 at 8:58pm
Dude, read everything you can get your hands on..however real knowledge will well up from within you, through your experiences, intuition and aha moments.

follow no man. be a respector of no person. listen to your heart. you will know who to trust by the love..by their love you will know them.

all these people here are saying the same thing to you I am. go ahead and explore books, but you are just exploring another human being like yourself who is imperfect just like us. if any of us were perfect, we wouldn't be on this planet.

just don't be no sheep, thats all I'm asking. love, alysia

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by OutOfBodyDude on Dec 5th, 2006 at 9:08pm
I will never be a sheep, Ill be a shepherd before I become a sheep...

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Chumley on Dec 5th, 2006 at 10:12pm
I will never be a sheep, Ill be a shepherd before I become a sheep...
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And me, I'll just stay out of the sheep business, period...

B-man

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by dave_a_mbs on Dec 5th, 2006 at 11:42pm
Well, at least I like his remarks about legalizing marijuana.

Now - Who just asked if we could smell smoke?

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by twobears on Dec 6th, 2006 at 1:04am
I remember reading the articles from the Matrix V website and initially finding them to be interesting.  However, as I continued to read, I found the material to be very disturbing on many levels.  

One of the most disturbing things I found was the position that unless one practiced homosexuality one could not truly be spiritually advanced.  That somehow earth beings were forced to split into two sexes and made to perform abominable reproductive sex acts.  

I guess i will never be spiritually advanced in this life.


Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by OutOfBodyDude on Dec 6th, 2006 at 1:25am
so you claim.

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by augoeideian on Dec 6th, 2006 at 3:18am
lol Dave - finding good in everything!  :)

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by Chumley on Dec 6th, 2006 at 5:02am
Well, at least I like his remarks about legalizing marijuana.

Now - Who just asked if we could smell smoke?
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"Smoking a pole", apparently (if what Twobears just said
is true..!)
And NORMAL sex (man/woman) is ABOMINABLE? (Annihilate
me RIGHT NOW if not only are there no honeys in the next
world for me, but I've got to deal with butt pirates!)

B-man

Title: Re: EVERYONE MUST SEE THIS BREAKTHROUGH
Post by augoeideian on Dec 6th, 2006 at 5:29am
I agree with you there Chum.  Anything talking about sex in such a profane manner is clearly coming from a lower realm, this loosh business included.


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