Do life systems on other planets operate under the same fundamental constructs as our Earth Life System? For instance, if one partakes in a life system on another planet is it a guarantee that you will be born as an infant in what ever physical vessel it is that is pre-chosen, then raised via "family"; then self-reliant... or are there other ways of operation? If so, what would that look like? Is it possible to inhabit an already equipped/knowledgable vessel from the get go, or is that something that needs to evolve via age/experience?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Hi Cosmic Spirit inhabit the other planets as Jupiter is the highest and Mercury is the lowest,so i dont think there are any lifeforms inhabiting planets,but i could be wrong.

I really think if there were other lifeforms out there on planets.they would have been found by now,i just think aliens are were they belong in the science fiction stories.

I really personally feel they do not exist,i have listened to a lot of mediums bringing messages through at my spiritualist church and theres Derek Acorah and Gordon Smith and many more good mediums,who have never mentioned getting a message from an alien.

I also commune with spirit and i have never had any message to say aliens are out there,because they dont exist.

All love and respect to you cosmic,but i just do not beleive in aliens or any other lifeforce on any planet apart from the planet earth,because earth is the planet God created for us to live on.

The planets are for the world of spirit,earth is for the physical and thats the way i really see it.

Love and God bless you Cosmic      Love Juditha

There is so much evidence of other life forms existing its a little rediculous to say there are none out there. Why would we be the only intelligent life forms in existance. There are an infinate number of galaxies and solar systems, so why would this be the only one to have life. There are so many UFO sightings and abductions and implants, Bruce Moen has even made contact with ETs. OF course noone is going to know how their worlds are run and what systems they live by.  But that doesn't mean they dont exist.

Hi outofbodydude  I read that this medium had a message from spirit saying that man should not go into the universe as it upsets the planets.

I cant prove that aliens dont exist,i just dont want them to exist,humans have got spirit,God made man in his own image and God was not an alien,this is just what i think myself.

Theres been probes visiting every planet we know of and no lifeform or alien has ever stood there waving at the camera,thats because there not there.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Hi C-A

I'll go along with OOB Dude, that the probabilities are overwhelmingly great for other entities to occur "out there" in this and other galaxies, and quite possibly in some of the Solar system bodies yet unexplored, although I suspect that we're the best developed thus far. On the other hand, as Juditha pointed out, there's not much incoming spiritual discussion to support "them", while there's a vast amount of local chatter amongst us here. Based on that, it seems that the bulk ok information suggests that we are either alone or out of touch.

However, I can't see any reason why a being from some other galaxy, or a parallel universe or whatever would want to communicate with us. In fact, with whom would such a being connect? It's not like sending a telepathic message to Pete down the street after going out to dinner last week. Maybe they don't have streets "out there". Or, not having direct personal interaction with anyone here, how is the ender to acquire the "telepathic address" (or, in the vernacular, "sense the vibrations") of someone to whom to direct a message?

In doing regressions to relieve clinical problems I once encountered an entity that complained that it was from a totally different kind of universe, where there were a different number of dimensions, different bodies and so on. While crossing our galaxy, I was told, this being got trapped in the psyche of the person I was treating. I eventually sent it off into the Light with others of its kind. Based on that, I suppose that there might be a great deal of stuff going on that we simply have no knowledge about. In principle, I now have a pal in some alien galaxy who actually might contact me, based on the fact that through that brief session I actually made direct contact - rather like finding my psychic address -  but thus far it hasn't happened.

There's an additional probem here, which is that information is limited to movement at the speed of light. Let's assume that some being in the Adromeda Galaxy wants to ring you up to say hello. And let's presume that they have your psychic address and so on. That message would take millions of years to arrive. We might literally go, as an out of body activity, to visit stars there, but as we do, we also slip backwards along our own projected light cone of manifestation to arrive in the Andromeda Galaxy millions of years before our psychic correspondent was born.

My personal feeling is that the cosmos is literally teeming with life, everything from fungi to sages of immense wisdom, but that we are so far separated, first by lack of familiarity (no psychic address) and second by the sheer vastness of cosmic distances, that the probability of interaction is slight at best.

When working with people in the "Upper Astral", which is the level in which we cease to be earth-directed and start becoming Oneness-directed, I occasionally tell people to go to the "place where all information is kept" (there are resources there for healing) - often it looks like a Library, Cayce called it the "Akashic Records". (Actually, this is a construct held by the mind that brings information together by selecting a way in which to view it as a localized cluster of data.) - the general opinion of those observers is that there are being of all natures there, many without form, many with vague shapes, others with bodily forms, and often they have different appearances suggesting an alien origin. Perhaps you might go there yourself and have a look.

Another rare event has been that I have had  perhaps three people in regression who seem to have evolved elsewhere, and who came here to Earth after having various lives elsewhere. Three people out of ten years doesn't sound like a population explosion out there.

The safest interpretation is that we simply have no really good methods of finding out, even by use of telepathy, with the exception of the nearest stars for which a telepathic message would only take a few years. What we are likely to receive, if anything, is going to be static of leftover messages between other beings, sent and received in the distant past, much like other planets might receive if they tuned a TV receiver to Earth frequencies, and got a few years of I Love Lucy and Milton Berle.

I wonder, Juditha, if your psychic group might be interested in an intentional "psychic broadcast" aimed at some of the nearby stars, with the understanding that it's going to take a while (3 to 10 years, for example) to get anything back. That might be one way to open the door.

PUL
dave

Dave, my friend you disappoint me.

Thought is not bound by the physical universe or the speed of light.  Thought simply is.  If one travels out of body, I would not at all assume the spirit/soul to be limited by the laws of the physical universe in which we live.  Thus, Monroe has spoken of Focus 35 or "the gathering," where alien observers have been encountered on his astral journeys - mostly to observe an important earth change about to come, if memory serves me right.  Messages and communications need not be limited by the speed of light in these instances.  

I feel this is an interesting topic, but also, potentially a distraction.  I have enough on my hands, trying to make sense of our earth incarnations, our spiritual journey in this earth life system to focus on.  If I encountered aliens, I would, of course be curious.

What I find is that some get sucked into UFO conspiracies and assume aliens are actively working to stop nuclear armeggedon (or promote it), and other such drivel.  It can drive one bonkers.

Augo posted an interesting note from Jewish mysticism where they mentioned seven sentient life systems - ours was called something like the planet of tears - I guess we had the reputation of being in the school of hard knocks.  


Matthew

Doc-

You're only half right. We can indeed move at the speed of thought, but only within the constraints defined by our existence. You exist at the hot end of a cone of emergent influences and information that extends outward into the universe, and has done so ever since your initial hatching from whatever it is we come from.

If we were to exceed the speed of light, we wold effectively move backwards in time. This only works for a tiny distance, because the enduring existence of anything must depend upon its involvement in its universe (going sideways into some private space doesn't count) - and backwards in time puts things into a place where most of the interactions have already been frozen into history. Forward works fine if you go fast enough you can go anywhere without gaining a day, but the universe around you ages tremendously, and you can't go home again.

Moving from here to, say Barnard's star, about 7 LY distant, you slide out along your light cone. There is no sensation of time due to Lorentz Contraction. You can put your mind there, but only in the sense of 7 years ago, and the return trip is equally long. (And on the way back you travel instantaneously with respect to your proper time, while the world ages.) This is not a matter of limitations of the spiritual nature of people, but of the fact that we sense with the apparatus of the physical universe, whether it's a psychic image or otherwise. We're stuck with these limitations to the extent that we do not have an alternative to living in the universe as it is currently defined. Now, if you have discovered a way to exist that is independent of the existence of a physical universe, then you can free yourself from Lorentz Contraction. Otherwise, we're stuck at the speed of the universe.

As for "instant thought", your thoughts travel between your brain and your big toe at roughly 300 mph. If you had a 3000 mile long dachshund you could tweak his tail in Los Angeles, get on a jet and fly to New York, have lunch, take in a show, and still be there when he finally barked.

dave

Thanks Dave,

I respectfully disagree in that I believe that time and space in the physical plane are laws of physical reality that do not apply in spirit.  Read Swedenborg, from hundreds of years ago - we are told that time has no meaning in spirit, as we are simply going from one state of being to another without linnear time.  In Focus 27, by TMI standards, we can postmortem talk with any soul who has ever lived, regardless of linnear thinking about time and space.

When my soul travels in the astral then, it does not shoot out at light speed toward an object in the physical (like another planet).  The astral plane intersects the physical and has certain laws (such as the speed of light in the physical), but is not bound by the same rules.  

All of your postulates are correct in terms of travel faster than the speed of light from one planet or galaxy to another.  There would be a relative change in time. This has no meaning, however in terms of spirit and thought.  When you measure the time it takes a nerve impulse to be seen in the brain and go to my big toe - that is a finite speed - in the physical only.  The thought originates outside my body - this is the basis of spirituality.  What you measure in terms of thousandths of a second is defined as a physical interpretation of our thought - a manifestation.  You are not measuring thought, but its translation in our physical world.  

Given my concepts, spirit and thought are not bound by conventional physical laws (as they exist in planes which interpenetrate the physical).  If you and an alien were each meditating many thousands of lightyears away, and you were in an astral or spiritual plane, you might therefore be able to make contact.

If you check the partnered exploration forum here, you sometimes see two or more people meditating on an agreed exploration at different times of the day.  How, you may ask could they reach the same meeting or target if they weren't there at the same time?  Because it has been found that thought and intention find the same target, without regard to when the meditation starts.  This supports my point.  

The same is true of remote viewers, who have "seen" hidden installations in their minds eye, but sometimes several decades earlier.  This has been shown by the US military.  Again, this supports the notion that thought/spirit is not bound by linnear time/space.

I think we are only limited by the physical in the physical plane of existence.  What are the dimensions of the various astral planes and the speeds of thought in them?  I don't honestly know, except that in pure essence and spirit, we are only restrained by the limits of our beliefs.  

Matthew

I have to take Doc's side on this.

Physical reality has sets of laws and parameters that spiritual realms/dimensions need not abide by. One also has to keep in mind that the laws that exist for us in the physical realms are the tangible bi-products of belief fabrications that were shaped and molded within the spiritual realms where literally anything is possible. Remember the notion and power held within the consciousness with regards to beliefs and the roles that they play with shaping and molding any and all realities and the laws that bind them.

Black holes do not abide by the common physical laws that govern our universe; yet they reside within our physical universe. It has also been noted that the great "definer" of our physical laws himself, Mr. Albert Einstein, had failed to enjoy the daunting ramifications encompassing the discovery/possibility of black holes beings the laws that govern them do not adhere to the same laws that he spent a lifetime discovering and defining for all of humanity.

My father had three near-death experiences which provided tangible evidence to him suggesting showing him that within the spiritual realms forms of travel are not governed by the speed of light. There are no limitations to consciousness in its purest form, not even the speed of light can contain consciousness and all of the possibilities therein. Moreover, the speed of light is a construct of consciousness itself.

Belief and Love are literally the only laws that bind.

(Of course, maybe this is just my belief...) ;)

All pun intended!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Interesting chat.  Juditha love, i still wouldn't say Mercury is the lowest Planet - the Earth is and then the Moon.
Beyond the Moon it is not so much a matter of highest to lowest - all the Planets (and Zodiac Spheres) have a specific part to play housing different temperaments each equally important contributing to the dynamics of our solar system, which in turn is us.  Earth is the expression of these temperaments.

With this I agree with Dave : We can indeed move at the speed of thought, but only within the constraints defined by our existence.  

We are the Microcosm in the Macrocosm.  Our solar system lives in us.  Upon death of the physical body we go through an inversion ie. a turning inside out.  We become the Macrocosm, or rather a part of the Macrocosm.  

Birth is the reversal; we collapse the Macrocosm into Microcosm.  The Macrocosm collapses or compounds into our metabolism and it is through our metabolism we seek the larger picture that is the Macrocosm.

So,  this is unique to human beings made up of the same metabolism - which we all are.  Any other metabolism would not be able to operate within our cycles of life.

There might be vistors from other Galaxies, as the Kabbala has suggested.  But they would not be within our same law as death and birth.  So, they are material substances with their own metabolism make-up and applying the physics to this, taking traveling through aeons of time/space into consideration, it does seem unlikely.  

Unlikely in real time life and unlikely in real time death.

However, if we apply levels of dimensions, we might all be sharing the same solar system in vast layers of different dimensions.  We ourselves, as humans beings alone, live in this multi-dimensional solar system with the different Zodiac spheres according to our rate of metabolism.  Here it is said like attract likes ie same blood chain, same metabolism make-up which is our individual 'groups'.

The writings I have on UFO's is they are the mechanics of the Universe;  God's workers.  They fix the holes in the force field around the Earth, they prevent certain radical accidents from happening like nuclear fall out from factory plants, as much as they can.  It is said we are not meant to see them - if we do it is because they have slipped into our dimension.

Someone made a post not so long ago on this.  Was it the Seth literature?  I do agree with this - have read a few writings across books on this.  And the biggest thing one realises with the Mechanics of the Universe is there are Ethics - they are God's workers and may even be called Angels, maybe.

So; unknowns might slip into our dimension through default and we might even be able to slip through into their dimension.  But their after-life would be different from ours. The laws which govern our metabolism Macro and Micro pertain to human make up.  

It is said once the Circle of Life is complete we do not have the urge to come back to Earth so here maybe the dimensions open up to us as our metabolism is 'full force'.  As Jesus Christ : The Risen Man.

Well, just my mumblings along.

PUL.

Hi Dave i would like to try that ,i will ask at the circle.

Hi Everyone.   There is only spirit out there,Jesus never mentioned aliens,when he walked the earth,if they existed he would have done,aliens go against the grain,against everything in the natural set of things,i just cant accept aliens can be out there.

We were made in the image of God, aliens were not,we live on this planet God gave us,with our spirit learning day after day and then we die and we go back to our fathers kingdom(THE SPIRIT WORLD)that is the real truth of life existence,so aliens do not fit in with the plan.i dont beleive in aliens,i just dont.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha

Well Juditha, I have some dissapointing news for you. I am, in actuality, an alien. I am from the galaxy of Orion. My true name is Euzaklshm. I have incarnated in a physical body here on earth to experience the Great Change that will soon occur. I don't appriciate you saying we do not exist, I might have to call up my buddys and have them abduct you if you continue this blasphamy.

Hi outofbodydude Proof at last,pleased to welcome you to earth,my apologies to you.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha

I forgive you... I already put in the request for your abduction however. Sorry, Ill tell them to go easy on you.

Hi outofbodydude Thankyou for asking them to go easy on me,you are so kind.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Outofbodydude:

Now I understand why you have green skin. ;)

I read that there are billions of galaxies that can be seen from the planet earth. Each galaxy has billions of stars. It is hard to imagine that there isn't life elsewhere. There are probably numerous ways in which it can manifest. I hope they are happy, and having an easier time than us.

OK Gang, I'm open for being a target today -

Special Relativity is not a "modern invention" but a simple fact of geometry. It doesn't necessarily vanish when we die.

Adding additional dimensions is no solution. Draw a line across a sheet of paper - to make it into a loop you need to bend the paper. There are definitely ways to do that, but they tend to have nothing to do withy the world in which we are rooted. Put the paper on the bottom of an empty box and you now have added a vertical dimension but the paper isn't bent.

To shorten the geometric (rational) separation between two states we need to alter our geometry out of that by which this world's definitions make sense - in whch case there is nowhere to go, like New York, because it vanishes with the change of definition. More, because the nature of reality is an evolving continuum with at least one line of continuous logic, we have the nominal (Mihailovic) distance, which is always unchanged in every geometry.

My proposal is thus that we are everywhere coextensive, and can move timelessly along the light cone (or its equivalent in all other systems) but only with respect to the laws of the physics defining those spaces. Thus, to go 3 LY away to some star will take 3 years, even if to me it is timeless. To meet others in time is easy, we just use a less rapid means of manifestation and meet where the manifestation cones (analogues of light comes, these might be more like ripples in water) overlap).  

So, we seem to have a question - is physics of some sort, together with geometry, binding in the spirit world?

Fire away-

PUL
dave

Dave, my friend,

No shots fired.  This is friendly and I learn much even if I have my own opinions.  To say there is a spiritual realm, or more accurately that thought is not bound or created by the physical, implies a system not bound or discernable by physical testing or mechanisms.  This is the reason that skeptics can not find proof of the afterlife.  "Show me a measurable electromagnetic impulse that is the soul!" they may say.  Everything spiritual may thus be dismissed by a purist if it can not be measured, quantified or shown in reproducible fashion to exist.

A distillation of our conversation is the question; is thought/spirit bound by physical laws such as what we are familiar with in the physical world?  I would say no, for the cases I mentioned (remote viewing, partnered explorations on this forum, conversations in NDEs with entities dead for centuries, etc.).  We would have to have free access to the spiritual plane in order to study this main question and explore whatever divine laws were to be found and then take it from there.  I would bet that people in spirit have studied this phenomenon, as it is our inner nature and thought that dictates our interest in laws of a universe or system.


My ultimate respone then, is that the spiritual planes are governed by their own set of physics unique for the universe, but not necessarily bound by the physical world.  I therefore see nothing requiring travel in thought/spirit to be limited by the speed of light as measured in the physical plane.  

There is nothing at all logical or measurable about thought/spirit that neatly fits into our current physics.  You have stated this as much.  Where is our thought located?  If in the brain, it would be logical to assume that in death, there is no afterlife when the neurons cease to function.  If in an interpenetrating plane, one then must wonder what the nature of that plane is that thus far is inaccessible to our science.  I can't say I have the answers, save one - that I can find many instances where thought is not bound by the laws of space and time in the physical plane.  

Best regards,

Matthew

I'm going to take some time off to look up Swedeborg and think on this. However, there are certain things that we cannot get around.

We cannot do that which is its own undoing. That is, logically impossible things remain impossible. Second, anything that has form and definition must be other than chaotic in nature, which includes a thought. I'd add that this includes clouds of gnats or puffs of smoke, although their definitions are inconstant. That which is chaotic simply has no meaningful interpretation - it is an "imponderable" (member of a set of things that we are unable to think about).

Existence is a logical sequence of some sort, and all that goes with it is, because karma is very much a logical factor, equally logical. Logic is what makes up a thought. It happens to be electromagnetic and ionic in our bodies, but in general it is simply an arrangement of prior and post with linking implications. This we are stuck with. Else we must claim that the world is nothing but chaos. (When I try to install Windows on my computer, I'm inclined to agree with that. So I run Linux.) It is the nominal sequence of causes and effects that leads to the sensation of our reality - were it chaotic, it could not do this reliably.

Geometry, at least in the nominal sense, is pervasive - or actually, it is a topological space of multiply intermeshed geometries, but in all of these, nominals are invariants. Special relativity, right on down into the black hole past the Schwarzchild radius and into the imaginary spaces beyond make excellent sense in this, although they have problems in rational math.

Given these basics, the nature of time is simply an measure of the pasage from one locus of nominal existence to the next, it is not a dimension. Dimensions are nominal sequences that have a commonly developed term. To get from Here to There means a certain number of steps. This means a certain number of nominal increments, like stepping stones. Each of these is part of the process interval, hence part of the definition of "time" in that place. This is the essence of what I'm suggesting.

I'm seriousl.y interested in hearing other opinions, even from green blooded aliens - I think that this specific issue is at or nea to the root of understanding some important aspects of the spirit world. And, like all of us here, in spite of being an arrogant ass at times, I'm here to learn and grow. So- as I said - fire away.

PUL
dave

lol OBD so aliens have six-packs as well  :)

Totally agree with Dave - there is logic - it is not a Universe of chaos, it is very well orchestrated in the celestial dance of all that is which makes up our galaxy and beyond.  And it is physics and geometry binding everything and keeping it in harmony.  The Golden ratio being : 72 - the pulse rate of the human blood (the microcosmic 72) and in 72 years the Sun retrogrades in precession exactly one degree (the macrocosmic 72)

That is one of the magic numbers.  We also have magic squares:

Magic square of Jupiter:

4      14      15      1
9      7      6      12
5      11      10      8
16      2      3      13

If we add the numbers across, down or vertical they all add up to : 34  

(um talk about physics I can't get the table insert right!)

Each Planet has its magic square number.  So far, from what I have seen, these numbers have been used for in Mason work.  The floor plan of ancient Cathedrals have been built based on magic squares.  Otherwise Im not sure if you have any comments on the numbers Dave.

PD Ouspensky wrote quite a bit on dimensions in his Tertium Organum:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/to/index.htm

That's about all I can offer besides pointing out geometry and physics is esoteric .. but if one uses a calculator it becomes exoteric!

:) PUL

My friends,

The question is not whether logic and the beauty of science is visible in the world (it is).  There are elegent geometries, and many signs that there is an intelligence and logic inherent in our earth life system.  The question, is however more what are the laws and geometries of the spiritual planes, and is our thought and spirit necessarily confined by earthly laws and rules?

Is the speed of thought in spirit limited by the speed of light?  If thought manifests freely into reality in the spiritual planes, are there different spiritual laws and variables when we are there compared to the physical world?  For me, the answer is obvious.   A big yes.  Although there are likely to be linked concepts and extrapolations ("as above, so below"), I believe there is as ample evidence of a different set of physics operating on the plane of pure thought.


M



M

No shots fired dave. I feel this to be a friendly exchange of thoughts, ideas, and concepts.
Moreover, I fully appreciate everyone's thoughts, ideas, and concepts on this board; yours are truly appreciated. We're all just curiously probing probes, and there's a vast expanse out there to be probed.

I find that what Matthew has written here resonates well with me:

"The question is not whether logic and the beauty of science is visible in the world (it is).  There are elegent geometries, and many signs that there is an intelligence and logic inherent in our earth life system.  The question, is however more what are the laws and geometries of the spiritual planes, and is our thought and spirit necessarily confined by earthly laws and rules?

Is the speed of thought in spirit limited by the speed of light?  If thought manifests freely into reality in the spiritual planes, are there different spiritual laws and variables when we are there compared to the physical world?  For me, the answer is obvious.   A big yes.  Although there are likely to be linked concepts and extrapolations ("as above, so below"), I believe there is as ample evidence of a different set of physics operating on the plane of pure thought."

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I believe that there are different spiritual laws and variables. And yes, I also believe that there are linked concepts and extrapolation ("as above, so below"). The question that seems to be lingering is whether light speed governs awareness/consciousness, or opposingly, whether awareness/consciousness has free reign regardless of set variables (i.e. light speed)... particularly in the spiritual sense. It is my belief that the pure form of awareness/consciousness has no limitations, and that any limitations that exist within awareness/consciousness are created via awareness/consciousness. This includes the laws of the physical/spiritual universe made manifest. In a poor analogy I would liken it to the laws passed by legislation. Does it logically follow that these laws are forever unbendable/unchangeable... How would this translate to awareness/consciousness in all of its creative purity?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions



 

That which occurs lawlessly has no structural inetgrity and can carry no intelligence. So, CA and Doc, I vote for rules and necessary laws, whether here or in spirit or otherwise. The alternative is that something takes place but is not comprehensible. A good example of that is dreaming - usually operates by some kind of internal logic, but rarely gives us anything useful. Instead, most of what we get is a hodge podge of images and events. That is probably why it is so interesting when we find a way to get information of of a dream.

The next issue is what kind of rules and laws. This goes directly into the kind of stuff that I've been looking at for years, and I'm certainly not an expert. What we can say with some certainty is that we nmust be touched by something in some manner for it to communicate to us. So we are very ancient beings, judging by our ability to receive information from very distant galaxies billions of years older than we appear to be here. This requirement of prior or present contact seems necessay for information transfer, but not sufficient. We also need some kind of interpretation methods. These seem to be what we learn by living. Thus, a column of smoke and the sound of sirens oftens ignifies fire. A spirit unaware of its nature as an element of the nature of God is unlikely to interpret reality, spiritual of material, in the same manner as on who has years of meditation and spiritual experiences. Something about experience seems to be involved.

The structure of an event is that a process operates to alter a locus of attributes so that new attribution occurs and can be sensed. We call this "an object is changing".  A spirit must somehow interact with information for the information to get "inside" (whatever that might mean to spirits). Then there is the method of transmission, the medium that carries the information and so on. If you think through the process, either you have a totally miraculous system, in which you can do anything with anything, and without regard for cause and effect linkages - or we have a process that has rules that can be understood. That which can be understood can be manipulated. That which we can manipulate, will work for us. That which works for us can be put to use, at least in principle, right here and now. So I'm still looking for the rules, so that I can expand my capabilities, not limit them.

Incidently - black holes and suchlike don't alter the nature of geometry. All the exotic physics we have is still part of the same basic collection of cause and effect, even on a statistical level. It is because we have exotic physics that we can have the world as we know it. When Schwartzchild came up with his early calculations for a static black hole, he was simply doing geometry. Thre is no reason to doubt that some kind of geometry can be found at any other level. And this is where I get6 interested and most people get bored - I'm fascinated by the kind of geometry that must be involved. Especially, since we can create more or less at will, and our creations also seem to be limited, or shaped if you prefer, by the conditions pervasive in the spiritual world.
Oh well - different sttrokes for different folks -
PUL
d

Heady stuff  I am learning a lot thanks.

The same laws which apply in Earthly existence must apply 'out-there' but maybe with more factors to add or
maybe the laws governing in Earth are the laws which are applied in the spiritual worlds ie we are the reality of those laws and we need look no further because the laws are manifested in Earth.

That's why there are brilliant people like you guys.  During the day you study the laws and at night when sleeping you take this knowledge to your fellow scientists and say 'ah yes eureka - this is what makes the Sunset everyday'

'Cos you can't use a calculator there ?!

PUL  :)

I believe that there are physical/spiritual "laws" that help to define both the physical and the spiritual planes of existence. From my understanding, which is always up to change, the pure form of consciousness/awareness from which everything has always been a part of is in a constant state of self exploration/discovery; the emobiment of creativity itself. This includes the perceived self-evolutionary development of self-perception/identity apart but still linked to the whole of the consciousness/awareness from which it is inextricably linked. The laws that exist as we know them seem to be a method of providing those separated curiosity probes of self-discovery/exploration the tools neccessary to carry out this delicate method of perceived self-evolutionary development towards the discovered betterment of all. It seems the overriding law/binding agent for this expanse of creative exploration is pure unconditional love. It is pure unconditional love which emanates structure, integrity, and intelligence. Laws such as the speed of light in my opinion are highly flexible and dependent upon the needs for self-evolutionary development.

My current notions of how existence operates are bound by the experiences that I have had thus far in this physical vessel of mine, and any subconscious memories that may surface regarding other forms of existence whether realized or not. Beings experiences are potentially infinite in any and all forms of reality... It is my belief that how existence operates can also be potentially infinite in any and all forms of reality.

Just ponderings.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions