Peace to you!

I've published the article:

http://my666.boom.ru/666_en.html

This material makes understanding of Revelation more clear and will help to be saved for many many people and will help to avoid terrible plagues for many other people! You will not carry any responsibility for this link since this material was signed by me! But availability of this material is important for now as never before!
Be bless!

Announce:

At the age of thirteen I was thrown into another world by a fateful accident. Clinically pronounced dead, I returned from the afterlife with knowledge rarely glimpsed by the average person. This experience has defined my life as a person with each foot in a different world. Explaining the afterlife to those who have not had a near death experience requires breaking down the illusions that most people hold of what they call "reality". I hope that my experiences can enlighten others while allowing me to share my insights with my fellow humans.

I have received the seal of the beast in afterlife world 20-22 years ago. Main information - the first who meets us in afterlife world is the BEAST which is described in Bible, but not God as many think!

BEAST. This creature has size about 12 meters in height. This creature is able to stay on two legs and has very long tail (so it also 30 meters long including the tail).
IMAGE OF BEAST is any creature who has seal of beast with spirit of beast inside and without man's status!
MARK OF BEAST. After sealing up appears imprint! This imprint has name - mark. It looks like black tattoo which is putted on spirit (not on body) therefore can not be cutted out. It contains the head of dog with iron slam on head.
SEAL OF BEAST. The beast has the seal. It is like iron seal on a long pole. Any host is able to mark by seal of beast.
666 is number of men who will be marked by beast but will be saved!!! (i.e. common number of saved from all who will be marked by beast).
FOREHEAD whole forehead bone from brows up to top of head! The seal of beast is fatal when it putted on forehead or on any hand.
NAME OF THE BEAST. The beast has name, same as any creature who was created by Creator.
NUMBER OF NAME OF THE BEAST is number of people who will call themselves by name of the beast. I.e. 666 is number of people who will be saved from the lake of fire with seal of beast on any place. But the number of name of the beast is number of people who will call themselves same as the beast.
HOST is creature (man or angel) who received the seal of beast!!! Host can to mark up anybody by the seal of beast!
ROD OF IRON is spirit of beast which is inserted into us horizontally.

I find this humorus. telling me the first being im going to see when I die is satan is absurd. I dont even believe in satan, and Im pretty sure not many others on this board do either. If you want to believe there is a hell thats fine, I just hope you dont get stuck there some day.

Hi Nickols God kicked satan out of heaven with all his fallen angels,and he is going to take over soon and lock Satan in the abyss with all his followers.

So Satan wont be meeting anyone in the spirit world , because he will be stuck on the lowest plain locked in the abyss.

God rules supreme,hes the everlasting light that shines through the darkness,Satan will never win because God wont let him.

Love and God bless you Nickols      Love Juditha

Peace to you!

I've published the article:

http://my666.boom.ru/666_en.html

This material makes understanding of Revelation more clear and will help to be saved for many many people and will help to avoid terrible plagues for many other people! You will not carry any responsibility for this link since this material was signed by me! But availability of this material is important for now as never before!
Be bless!

Announce:

At the age of thirteen I was thrown into another world by a fateful accident. Clinically pronounced dead, I returned from the afterlife with knowledge rarely glimpsed by the average person. This experience has defined my life as a person with each foot in a different world. Explaining the afterlife to those who have not had a near death experience requires breaking down the illusions that most people hold of what they call "reality". I hope that my experiences can enlighten others while allowing me to share my insights with my fellow humans.

I have received the seal of the beast in afterlife world 20-22 years ago. Main information - the first who meets us in afterlife world is the BEAST which is described in Bible, but not God as many think!

BEAST. This creature has size about 12 meters in height. This creature is able to stay on two legs and has very long tail (so it also 30 meters long including the tail).
IMAGE OF BEAST is any creature who has seal of beast with spirit of beast inside and without man's status!
MARK OF BEAST. After sealing up appears imprint! This imprint has name - mark. It looks like black tattoo which is putted on spirit (not on body) therefore can not be cutted out. It contains the head of dog with iron slam on head.
SEAL OF BEAST. The beast has the seal. It is like iron seal on a long pole. Any host is able to mark by seal of beast.
666 is number of men who will be marked by beast but will be saved!!! (i.e. common number of saved from all who will be marked by beast).
FOREHEAD whole forehead bone from brows up to top of head! The seal of beast is fatal when it putted on forehead or on any hand.
NAME OF THE BEAST. The beast has name, same as any creature who was created by Creator.
NUMBER OF NAME OF THE BEAST is number of people who will call themselves by name of the beast. I.e. 666 is number of people who will be saved from the lake of fire with seal of beast on any place. But the number of name of the beast is number of people who will call themselves same as the beast.
HOST is creature (man or angel) who received the seal of beast!!! Host can to mark up anybody by the seal of beast!
ROD OF IRON is spirit of beast which is inserted into us horizontally.
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I need TP for my bunghole!!!
(Or will the Beast insert a "ROD OF IRON" into
my bunghole horizontally..? Ouch.)

B-(vis!) man

Hmm...12m tall beast? I know what happened to King Kong and I expect nothing else will happen to such a beast, so it will not have the chance to seal many...

Spooky

...oh btw, I came across a table of letters corresponding with numbers, and the letter "w" translated into "6". Cheers!

nickols_k:

I respect your personal view;however, I am confused. What is the connecton between reading your theories on the beast and saving people from plagues? Also, I have never heard/read about any other individual encountering the beast immediatly in the afterlife (in the sense that you state this is normal for everyone). I beleive we can all be "saved". I am hoping to see family members first thing, I don't feel that meeting the so-called beast would be my idea of a pleasent introduction to the afterlife.

BD

P.S. You claim to have been marked by the beast in your article. You also state that god is a jelouse god.You state that you learned in a prophecy that "God-father hates us but does that not very heavily". I am confused about the following qoute "When you are praying to God-Father then you must cover your face with towel or watch on wall with monotonous color!" This little tid-bit you threw in may run you the risk of losing credibilty. This is very contraversial information and you may find that others may strongly disagree with what you claim as a fact. It struck a chord with me. I do try my best to understand that this is just your perspective,  and you are entitled to your perspective and opinion and all that really matters is love. :-*

In the Ancient Near East, Jewsih and Christian apocalyptic writers needed to speak in coded symbols because their writings often present a devastating indictment of the oppressive Roman empire.  Direct admission of their rebellious views would be fatal.  Thus, the city of "Babylon" is routinely used as a coded reference to Rome in apocalyptic literature.  The first edition of Revelation was written around the reign of Nero, who ordered the burning of Rome, used Christians as his scapegoats, and then murdered any Christians he could seize, including both Peter and Paiul.  Nero was even too cruel for Roman tastes and was forced to flee into exile in Asia Minor (modern Turkey).  There he apparently committed suicide, though his end is obscure.   Rumors soon surfaced that Nero was supernaturally revived and would regain power in Rome to complete the extermination of Christians.   So great was the fear of Nero's dramatic return that 3 impostors surfaced, claiming to be Nero!  

These rumors inspire the merely poetic imagery of "the Beast" in Revelation who would be mortally wounded but would revive and continue to kill Christians (13:3).  The Beast's number (666) in 13:18 is simply a code for "Emperior Nero" in Hebrew.  In both Greek and Hebrew, the letters of the alphabet also stand for numbers.   The numerical value of "Emperor Nero" in Hebrew adds up to 666.  For this and other reasons, there is no debate in scholarly circles about the identity of the Beast.  John's prophecy is merely a warning to Christians that later Nero-like emperors will continue to martyr Christians and serves as a warning for them to brace themselves until the prophecied demise of the Roman empire.  The fulfilment is ancient history.  

So what does this mean ofr us today?  It must be remembered that the future is not fixed for biblical prophets.  At most, the prophecy can be construed as a general warning against those (e.g. Islamo-fascists) who aspire to subject the entire world to their fanatical agendas.   It is a warning about inevitable historical cycles, not a warning about a specific Anit-Christ.   And there is certainly no biblical basis for granting "the Beast" a special tormenting role in the afterlife!

Don

Thanks for sharing, nickols.  Can't agree with what youve said tho.

Good to see you back, Berserk. Hope you will be joining in more often!

Bets

Don, thanks for being here.

In gratitude, Tim

And....

what a silly notion, some kinda beast gonna greet us after we die.

if you want that experience, have at it. just don't hang on to it too long.

at some point, the notion will pass... let it.

Thanks Tim,

What troubles me is precisely the opposite of the ghastly death greating envisaged by K Nichols.   Astral adept Emanuel Swedenborg was repeatedly privileged to trace the states of the transitional stages after death.   He describes the initial locale in terms that recall TMI's glorious Focus 27:

"Their friends...take them [new arrivals] around to various places, into the company of different people.  They go to different cities, to gardens and parks, often to gorgeous ones because things like this appeal to the outward concerns they are involved in ("Heaven and Hell #495)."

But ES's point is that such early beatific visions often precede the gradual takeover of the principle that like ultimately attracts like.   On this basis, many of those who initially thought themselves as heavenbound are gradually drawn by earth-habituated choices to likeminded communities that are more hellish.   ES precedes modern NDE research, but implicitly warns us that we need to grasp the big picture of the long process of "localization" in the afterlife.  

Admittedly, the many prophets and astral explorers differ dramatically in their portrayal of astral "geography" or postmortem levels of consciousness.  Right now, I think we simply need to apply to astral exploration Catholic mystic Thomas Merton's warning about the mastery of prayer.   Merton insists on the importance of even so-called prayer adepts to concede that we are all ultimately just beginners in the art of prayer.   Such modesty need not restrain us from sharing astral insights and beliefs on this subject.   But we need to recognize that Isaac Newtons or Einsteins are needed to provide astral research more rigor and a more reliable methodology for advancing knowledge by comparing experiences and research.  At present such exploration must still be soberly asssessed as in its infancy.

Don

 

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2006 at 4:42pm:

Hi Nickols God kicked satan out of heaven with all his fallen angels,and he is going to take over soon and lock Satan in the abyss with all his followers.

My article explains that not all fallen angels will be thrown into hell (abyss)!

Quote:

I respect your personal view;however, I am confused. What is the connecton between reading your theories on the beast and saving people from plagues? Also, I have never heard/read about any other individual encountering the beast immediatly in the afterlife (in the sense that you state this is normal for everyone). I beleive we can all be "saved". I am hoping to see family members first thing, I don't feel that meeting the so-called beast would be my idea of a pleasent introduction to the afterlife.

There is direct connection! For example, many people proclaim false-theories which are described in section BIBLE's INACCURACIES of my article! If people will proclaim right words then they will have less number of plagues! Because, our words are cause of our sins. First, people speak words! Rough and negative words cause sins. Sins cause punishments.
As I wrote in my article: there will be saved 95-98% of people! If somebody is saved from lake of fire this fact doesn't mean that he saved from punishment for sins of past!

Quote:

P.S. You claim to have been marked by the beast in your article. You also state that god is a jelouse god.You state that you learned in a prophecy that "God-father hates us but does that not very heavily". I am confused about the following qoute "When you are praying to God-Father then you must cover your face with towel or watch on wall with monotonous color!" This little tid-bit you threw in may run you the risk of losing credibilty. This is very contraversial information and you may find that others may strongly disagree with what you claim as a fact. It struck a chord with me. I do try my best to understand that this is just your perspective,  and you are entitled to your perspective and opinion and all that really matters is love. kiss

The information about hateful of God-Father was received from special prophecy! If you are prying to God-Father then you must not watch the faces of other people than contrast surfaces, pictures, animals etc! Many people are praying to Lord or to God! In this case that doesn't matter which pictures are visible through their eyes!

Hi Nickols God would never allow Satan to meet any of us,when we step through the gates of heaven.

He loves us all and when we love on this plain,the glory of Gods beautiful light shines from our inner selves,our soul

One of Gods commandments,that he gave to Moses on the mountain was Thou shalt love one another,so God does not feel hate towards us,as God is the very ultimate love and light,so he would no way do this.

He knows we are far from perfect all of us,you cannot hide anything from God as he knows everything about us all,right down to the roots of our hair.

God forgives and thats what he wants us all to do is forgive,but he knows that sometimes we find this really hard to do,but it does not make God our father in heaven hate us,he does the opposite he loves us.

Satans problem is that he knows he could never defeat God,thats why God told him to get lost in heaven,because the devil thought he could get the better of him,so God kicked him down to earth with his fallen angels.

But God is going to change things soon and there will be a new earth,where death pain suffering and tears do not exist.

I love God with all my heart,and i know that he would not allow some beast to meet us in his glorious heaven(Spirit world).

I have not met one medium at my church ,with any negative message from loved ones from spirit who have met some devil on entering the spirit world.

It just does not happen,God loves you Nickol.

Love and God bless  Love Juditha

Many people are misinformed and think that God-Father loves all! That's false theory! Bible theaches us that God is truth and God is love! You need understand that as: When God-Father behaves Himself as God then He is  truth and he is love! But God-Father behaves Himself as God only with those who got know He as God and did glorify He as God! With any other people He doesn't behave Himself as God!
It would be wrongly to mix the words God-Father and God! I need to repeate: God-Father hates us but does that not very heavily! There are exclusion from this rule! But those people had personal prophecy about love of God-Father!

Be bless!

Thank you Don/Berserk,

for providing a good argument against dispensationalism.

People who speak about these things don't serve God and Jesus Christ at all, despite what they have been brainwashed into believing. How can you love your neighbor as yourself, if you believe people are under the influence of satan simply because they don't believe exactly like you do?


nickols_k:

Instead of spreading irrational baseless fear, you should think of sharing Jesus' message of love. Allow yourself to be inspired by divine love, rather than be imprisoned with fear.

A bit harsh, recoverer, but I agree with the general gist.

Nicholsk:

If a hellish vision greeted you as a child in a near-death experience, this was your own vision and meeting.  Many have had NDEs and found heaven, and come back with the love of God instilled into them (they also seem to lose the fear of dying, knowing there is a heaven).  

I urge you to consider that your own vision may have had to do with where your thought was at the time, or that it was due to other variables.

Don is one of the most informed erudite christian scholars on this site.  His remarks about early christian writing, choice of the terms "beast," and the mark make a lot of sense historically.  

Open your mind and heart to love.  Otherwise, a hellish belief system will not bring much love in this earthly life.  We find here that belief systems without an open mind seem to "trap" people both while incarnate on earth and after death.

Peace to you,

Matthew

Hi Recoverer There are also people out there what go on about loving God and beleiving in the things of love and forgiveness,and when it comes down to actually doing these things,because they love God so much,half of them dont even try to love and forgive.

So there are a lot of wolves out there in sheeps clothing,otherwise known as hypocrites,ive met a few in my time.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Doc:

Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but not near as harsh as the dispensationalist viewpoint.

According to it, the rapture is going to be a glorious time, despite the fact that millions, perhaps even billions of souls are going to end up in hell for all of eternity, no matter how loving they are, simply because they didn't come around to believing in a particular way.

According to it, it is okay to get ready to go to war against your fellow man, if they don't believe precisely as you do.

According to it, it is okay to demonize others and isolate yourself from them, if they don't believe precisely as you do.

According to it, you don't have to worry about things like the environment, long term energy needs, and the national budget, because the rapture is going to bring all the righteous souls to heaven and leave all of the unworthy heathens behind to fight it out.

It upsets me when people say they are representing the way of God and Jesus when they speak according to the above. Why shouldn't I get upset?  Perhaps sometimes we don't get upset enough, and become docile.

On the other hand, I do admint that I need to become more balanced about how I react to things that upset me. This dispensationalist thing is like a thorn in my side, because I believe it is really harmful and doesn't represent the spirit of Christ.

I love God,why is it everyone in this world thinks that i am a robot with no feelings ,i know i have upset certain ones on this afterlife,if they got a problem with me, they just want to have the guts and come out with it,instead of ignoring me completely.

I might be going to the centre with mind problems,but im not stupid,i know when i am being ignored,only if  i got anything to say,i say to there face ,not hint round it or ignore the person i got the problem with.

God give me courage to face adversity in this world of hypocrites.

Love Juditha

I copied my thoughts about fallen angels from another post.

I don't believe in lucifer fallen angel stories.  They just don't add up.

From a Biblical perspective, lucifer is first mentioned in Isaiah. BUT, BUT, not in the original Hebrew version. The Hebrew version only speaks of a fallen king of Babylonia. A physical person. Not an angel. Fallen angel language was added in the 4th century, along with eternal darnation language.

If the people who come up with this fallen angel business ever visited a heavenly realm, they would know that fallen angel business makes no sense at all.  Heavenly realms aren't anything like the physical World. They are permeated with God's love and truth. There isn't anything there to corrupt a spirit. People go bad in the physical World because they have a hard time finding the love, happiness, peace and sense of self worth they inwardly yearn for. These qualities are found quite effortlessly in heavenly realms, so there is no need for a spirit to go astray and become evil. When I've experienced divine love I felt so much humility and gratitude, it would be impossible to go astray like a fallen angel supposedly does.  

Plus God is the infinite power from which everything comes. Anything he creates, no matter how big, is finite in comparision. Certainly an angel in heaven would know God well enough to know that it would be absolutely ridiculous to try to stand up against God. It would be like a wave trying to stand up to the ocean of which it is a miniscule part, or a flame caused by a match trying to pick a fight with the sun. The problem is that some people believe that God is an old man who sits on a thrown like a king and can be taken over like a king.

If somehow, for some peculiar reason, an angel did start to become confused to the point where it would fall, certainly God and the other beings of light that exist in a heavenly realm would realize this and come to this angels aid. It wouldn't be like an unsuspected coup on the physical realm. If an angel did somehow manage to go bad, its vibrational rate would go down and it would end up in a lower realm. This would make it powerless to do anything against beings who vibrate at a higher level, and it couldn't return to a heavenly realm until it got rid of the confusion that caused its vibrational rate to go down.

If an angel created by God could mess up, then what would stop any spirit from making the same mistake after it goes to heaven? Isn't heaven supposed to be a place of eternal peace and love?

There might be some confused earthbound spirits that are against their "concept" of God, and even some spirits in hell like realms that are also opposed to their "concept" of God. Just like there are physical people who are against their "concept" of God. I wrote "concept" of God, because it impossible for a person/spirit to be opposed to what God actually is. Such confused souls are powerless to do anything significant. The most they could do is try to influence a person who already shares a similar state of mind.

okay recoverer what makes you think that god loves you anymore than he does me,and how do you know ,you were not around then same as me ,i have read about satan and his fallen angels and so have a lot more people.you dont know it all and niether do i.

does not give you the right to judge me

love juditha

Juditha:

I would say that a lot of us love God, but it is hard to know what it is all about while here in the physical, so sometimes without really wanting to we misrepresent him.

There is a limit of course. For example, I really doubt that a man who hijaks an airplane and flies it into a building is doing so out of his love for God, despite what he believes.



wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 1:46pm:

Hi Recoverer I agree that people who do speak of these things dont serve God or Jesus,but there are also people out there what go on about loving God and beleiving in the things of love and forgiveness,and when it comes down to actually doing these things,because they love God so much,half of them dont even try to love and forgive. So there are a lot of wolves out there in sheeps clothing,otherwise known as hypocrites,ive met a few in my time. Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Juditha:

I have no hard feelings towards you.  However, if you make statements that support rapture and fallen angel viewpoints, I feel compelled to contradict what you say. I can't help it that if one looks at the dispensalist (rapture) viewpoint closely, one will see that it doesn't represent  the glorius divine plan that God has in place, and that it isn't a viewpoint that one could truly embrace with one's heart. I believe that you can love God and Jesus quite fine without believing in horror stories that were made up by men, not God and Jesus.  

There are lots of Christians who understand that the book of Revelations was applicable to the time period for which it was written. Read it closely and try to figure out what the exotic symbology actually refers to.

You might check out the book "The rapture exposed: the message of hope in the book of revelation" by Barbara R. Rossing. I'm not saying this book is 100% accurate. But it makes some good points.

Regarding fallen angel business, my experience and heart tell me that angels created by God who abide in a heaven like realm couldn't fall. The people who came up with these ideas, due to a lack of understanding and experience, thought of heaven and heavenly beings as if they operate under the same principles as people who occupate the planet earth. Not even close. We're talking about a whole different ballgame here.

http://www.amazon.com/Rapture-Exposed-Message-Hope-Revelation/dp/0813391563



wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 2:30pm:

okay recoverer what makes you think that god loves you anymore than he does me,and how do you know ,you were not around then same as me ,i have read about satan and his fallen angels and so have a lot more people.you dont know it all and niether do i. does not give you the right to judge me love juditha

Hi Recoverer i respect your veiws,but i just wrote about what i had read,like everyone else on here,but i dont always know what everything means,all i know is that i love God because he loves me for all my faults and he knows i dont get everything right.

I hope he comes soon to change this world ,because i dont like this world very much,sometimes irs to hard to take and i need God so much sometimes,im glad hes there bacause i couldnt get through without him,if he wasnt i would give up completely.

God is there when noone else is and i will read your link.I do respect your veiws recoverer,which i have learned a lot from on this afterlife and i thank you for that.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Juditha:

I have received a couple of spirit messages about things changing for the better in this World, and such change is partly going to happen by more and more people incarnating into this World who are able to live according to love. This ability will come from each person's inner/divine self, and will enable them to discriminate what is in line with divine truth and what isn't. If something doesn't feel good to their heart, they are liable to reject it. The key is that they don't allow fear to stop them from listening to their hearts, which is something I've had to struggle with on occasion.  :-/



wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 4:17pm:

Hi Recoverer i respect your veiws,but i just wrote about what i had read,like everyone else on here,but i dont always know what everything means,all i know is that i love God because he loves me for all my faults and he knows i dont get everything right. I hope he comes soon to change this world ,because i dont like this world very much,sometimes irs to hard to take and i need God so much sometimes,im glad hes there bacause i couldnt get through without him,if he wasnt i would give up completely. God is there when noone else is and i will read your link.I do respect your veiws recoverer,which i have learned a lot from on this afterlife and i thank you for that. Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Hi Juditha,

people will choose to believe what they want to believe, in response to what is out there.

I have come full circle and definitely believe in the reality of evil in the spiritual realm, and tend to give credence to the mountain of scholarship, visions, and experiences that have occurred consistently over the past 2,000 years....whether it is the Shroud, the cloak at Guadelupe, a host of crying icons, things like the Summa Theologica of Thomas Acquinas, or the very real experiences of modern day exorcists which are increasing at a rapid rate (almost interesting that they are increasing at a rapid rate in an age of decreasing belief...or maybe that's not such a coincidence.)

If you choose to not believe in the existence of the devil, fallen angels, etc, then you call into question the viability and/or truth of the bible itself which is very clear on the subject. An individual can choose whether to believe in biblical teachings or not...that is the very essence of freewill, but in regard to the Christian faith the apostles of Jesus accepted the reality of evil spirits and so did the first generation of their own disciples, which you can see clearly in the first wave of Church Fathers such as the Saints Polycarp, St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, and St. Ireaneus.

On the subject of Revelations, I have already addressed this in an earlier post somewhere which you may call up...but the belief that Revelations is simply "past history" applying ot the 1st century Christian community, and that the beast was Rome and Nero was the 666 figure is a rather easy argument to knock holes in when seen in light of the prophecy and of the progression of history itself.  Nero's fall didn't usher in a 1,000 year period of peace on earth, and even worse persecuters like Diocletian, Maximian, and Domitian followed Nero over the course of the next few centuries.  Furthermore, John the Evangelist was said to be on the isle of Patmos up to around 90AD, which would have made him very aware of Domitian as well.  I don't think John would be putting out a prophecy about Nero when he was aware of Nero's successors, etc.  I definitely encourage you to read the book of Revelations and then try to come to the conclusion that "this has already happened".  Yes, there are people who will go out on tangents to try to make it fit that box, and even come up with even more strange intperpretations, such as Edgar Cayce, so I think it is important to read it for yourself.  As for my part, John the Evangelist was no wimp and he spoke and wrote with great authority, and I don't think he was being anything less than clear when he spoke of a global age under the power of the Devil that would be overthrown by a second coming of Christ.  

You can easily knock another few blocks out of that "Revelations is 1st AD and Rome" argument when you look at Revelations in light of the epistles of Peter, Paul, and even statements of Jesus which make clear references to the same age and the same events, and shed further light on the futuristic nature of this prophecy.  See also Daniel, in the Old Testament.

Again, read all of those references in the other books of the Bible that also correspond to the book of Revelations, and then try to say it has "already happened".  I don't think so.

on the subject of the Old Testament, most biblical scholars and Rabbi's most certainly understand Isaiah, Daniel, etc. references to mean the Devil and Demonic principalities.  Alot of Old Testament writing is also understood to view somethings in a dual nature at the same time...I.E.  Discussing a current individual or situation, but at the same time bringing light to a much larger and transcendent issue or truth.

Stephen

Going by my research, the Bible isn't clear on the matter of satan.

Satan is spoken of in different ways. His name doesn't tend to occur in the old testament. Not unless a translation changed advesary to satan. An advesary could be anybody who was opposed to someone else. When groups of people were taken over by other groups of people, they didn't want to have to conclude that God wasn't on their side, so they concluded that the people who overtook them were controlled by an evil being that was opposed to God. They decided to demonize their enemies. Supposedly by some mysterious means some evil being was able to take over "entire" groups of people.  As a result, supposedly, some groups of people were in God's favor, some weren't.  

The same sort of mentality can be seen when George Bush calls Iraq the axis of evil, Sadaam Hussein calls the United Stated the great satan; and when Martin Luther called the Catholic church the church of satan.  Did Bush, Hussein and Luther actually receive divine revelations that this is/was the case, or did they simply state their opinions? If people/leaders from current times can demonize entire groups of people without really knowing, then certainly people/leaders from Biblical times could do the same.  Isn't it possible that the leaders of some groups of people decide to take over other groups of people, without a supernatural force causing them to do so?

Supposedly the book of Job was about satan. But this satan (or advesary) had little to do with the concept of a being who goes after people without God's approval.  He was allowed to go after Job and to kill and hurt many of the people Job knew only after God gave him permission to do so.  To tell you the truth, I'm really skepticle about this part of the Bible. Mainly because I doubt that God would allow satan to do all of the things he did just so he could prove to satan that there was "one" man in the World who feared him (God).  Even if a critter like satan could find his way into heaven and actually speak to God, I doubt that God would be so concerned about proving something to him, that he would allow him to kill and harm people.

Isiah doesn't seem like proof if the original Hebrew version doesn't mention anything about a fallen angel. Plus, even if it does confirm the fallen angel theory, its version of satan contradicts the book of Job's version of satan. Only with God's permission versus without God's permission.

Regarding the book of Daniel, I don't remember the details, but I've read scholarly interpretations which suggested that the evil person spoken of in Daniel was a physical person, just like the fallen king in Isiah.

Regarding possession stories etc., to the extent they are actually true, there is no proof that something other than a negative minded former human spirit messes with people. People who practice satanism prove that you don't have to be a creation of satan, in order to say blasphemous things and act in an irreverent way.

It's quite a zigsaw puzzle out there. Perhaps the best thing a person could do is ask God, Jesus or his or her higher self, if satan actually exists.  If we ask God, Jesus or higher self to provide us with an answer, shouldn't we have faith that they will provide it? It sure would save us a lot of trouble.








newwayknight wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 4:43pm:

Hi Juditha, people will choose to believe what they want to believe, in response to what is out there. I have come full circle and definitely believe in the reality of evil in the spiritual realm, and tend to give credence to the mountain of scholarship, visions, and experiences that have occurred consistently over the past 2,000 years....whether it is the Shroud, the cloak at Guadelupe, a host of crying icons, things like the Summa Theologica of Thomas Acquinas, or the very real experiences of modern day exorcists which are increasing at a rapid rate (almost interesting that they are increasing at a rapid rate in an age of decreasing belief...or maybe that's not such a coincidence.) If you choose to not believe in the existence of the devil, fallen angels, etc, then you call into question the viability and/or truth of the bible itself which is very clear on the subject. An individual can choose whether to believe in biblical teachings or not...that is the very essence of freewill, but in regard to the Christian faith the apostles of Jesus accepted the reality of evil spirits and so did the first generation of their own disciples, which you can see clearly in the first wave of Church Fathers such as the Saints Polycarp, St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, and St. Ireaneus. on the subject of the Old Testament, most biblical scholars and Rabbi's most certainly understand Isaiah, Daniel, etc. references to mean the Devil and Demonic principalities.  Alot of Old Testament writing is also understood to view somethings in a dual nature at the same time...I.E.  Discussing a current individual or situation, but at the same time bringing light to a much larger and transcendent issue or truth. Stephen

If we wander into good vs. evil, just like the discussion of absolute right vs. wrong, then we set up a dualistic mode of thinking.  This thinking then divides into two camps, one which feels that "evil" beings are simply misguided and can still be rehabilitated to see God's love, and the other camp who believes in irredeemable evil that must be confronted.

For those intent on pushing the dualistic model, although I am impressed by cases of possession and the work Don cites of Malachi Martin, I would pose you this question:

why is it that many on this board, many of your best friends and colleagues have not encountered a single demonic spirit in their many years/decades of life?  If you took 100 people you know, how many could say that had?  If not, why not?

You are, in my humble opinion your thoughts and your belief systems.  Thus, Robert Bruce the astral projector is constantly doing battle with "negs," as he calls them.  Could it be that his thoughts/beliefs manifest these entities to him (law of attraction)?  I don't know.  

I have had one encounter while meditating with a dark malevolent cloud that seemed to take control for a few seconds until I pulled myself together and said "Enough!"  I believe that I opened myself up this by my thoughts, however.  

Belief/thought/intent creates reality.


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Thanks Stephen for backing me up. Ive been quite alone on here with all this. I have read about Satan in the bible. I agree with you,there will be a second coming.

Love and God bless you   Love Juditha

STEPHEN'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE MILLENIUM:

I respectfully suggest that you and many Christians misunderstaond John's vision of the Millennium in Revelation 19.   It must first be recognized that John, like later visionaries, cannot be presumed to understand all the imagery presented to him any more than any of us can decipher every aspect of our  highly symbolic dreams.  For example, consider the assumption that the Millennium will supposedly take place on Earth.   John subesequently has a vision of a New Earth: "And I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea (21:1)."  This New Earth would not have been envisioned unless it were intended for discarnate human habitation.   Yet the New Earth can hardly be construed as our remodelled earth.   In John's vision, our earth has "passed away" and the New Earth lacks any sea!   It seems best to understand this New Earth as an earthlike abode in another spiritual dimension.   After all, most astral adepts agree that our postmortem journey begins with earthlike environs designed to ease our adjustment of noncorporeal existence.  john's New Earth is more reminiscent of Focus 27 in New Age parlance.

Don  

DocM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 12:55pm:

A bit harsh, recoverer, but I agree with the general gist. Nicholsk: If a hellish vision greeted you as a child in a near-death experience, this was your own vision and meeting.  Many have had NDEs and found heaven, and come back with the love of God instilled into them (they also seem to lose the fear of dying, knowing there is a heaven).   I urge you to consider that your own vision may have had to do with where your thought was at the time, or that it was due to other variables. Don is one of the most informed erudite christian scholars on this site.  His remarks about early christian writing, choice of the terms "beast," and the mark make a lot of sense historically.   Open your mind and heart to love.  Otherwise, a hellish belief system will not bring much love in this earthly life.  We find here that belief systems without an open mind seem to "trap" people both while incarnate on earth and after death. Peace to you, Matthew

I tried to explain in my article that  afterlife is free from any kinds of underpasses! Thus those people rather had halucinations than real visit into afterlife!

Be bless!

Hi God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten son to  save our sins,

Satan does not stand a chance against God,he loves us.

He will destroy Satan and his fallen angels.

I beleive in the bible and no one can say on here that the bible is fabrication or un true,because they were not around when it was written many years ago,they can only have an opinion on it,same as i have an opinion on the bible and my personal opinion is that i beleive in it.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

I also believe in the Bible Juditha.  I believe God sent His Son Jesus Christ to look after us.

NickolsK,

To say that all positive afterlife experiences are hallucinations and that we all meet Satan immediately after death goes against all the evidence ever gathered over centuries.  No offense intended, but your vision was yours - it is wrong for you to spin your own experience to the rest of humanity.

Many have had near death experiences, met loved ones and brought about some sort of compelling evidence to support this.  

You are free to believe what you wish, however.  That is the great thing about being alive.



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I dont believe when you die the first thing you see is old satan ,maybe some people do because they worshipped him while on the earth plain ,i have read many ndes and not one has reported seeing old nick quite the opposite actually ,evil does exist in the hearts of some people who are really wicked and bad ,i love god , god truly exists he has answered many of my prayers he did send his only begotten son jesus to save us all our sins so that we may go to heaven and be with him forever in paradise ,satan was a fallen angel i back my sister juditha one hundred percent on this in fact satan ,lucifer as god called him was actually gods favourite angel until lucifer became jealous of god and started turning some of the other angels against him so god found out and turned lucifers followers into demons and lucifer into the devil and threw them down on the earth plain and thats how evil got created on the earth and caused mayhem and destruction and it still exists today very much so but soon god will desroy all evil and their will be peace forever more ,their will be a new earth a paradise wher their is only love ,it will come to pass if you believe in our lord  love deanna

Apparently this thread hasn't accomplished much, so how about we get together 30 years from now and reconsider according to whether or not the rapture has happened? ;)

If it has happened those who believe in the existence of that creepy dude who sometimes looks like a red skinned man with horns, sometimes looks like a serpent, sometimes looks like a multi-headed dragon, and sometimes looks like Linda Blair with a bad makeup job, are declared winners (not really, lots of losers in this scenario).

If it hasn't happened those who consider it/him/whatever to be a the subject of a really ugly fairy tail are declared winners (Actually, just about everybody will be winner if Mr. Attitude problem doesn't exist, even those who got confused for a while and walked down a dark path).

recoverer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 12:35pm:

Thank you Don/Berserk, Instead of spreading irrational baseless fear, you should think of sharing Jesus' message of love. Allow yourself to be inspired by divine love, rather than be imprisoned with fear.

My article breaks illusions about total love! I had the prophecy: God-Father hates us but does that not very heavily! When God-Father behaves Himnself as God then He is love and He is truth! But God-Father behaves Himself as God only with those who got know He as God! Of course, there are people who received the prophecy that they became beloved by God-Father! But not every from us was beloved by God-Father!

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If a hellish vision greeted you as a child in a near-death experience, this was your own vision and meeting.  Many have had NDEs and found heaven, and come back with the love of God instilled into them (they also seem to lose the fear of dying, knowing there is a heaven).

Did you read NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE section of my article? I explained there what is tunnel lights!

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I urge you to consider that your own vision may have had to do with where your thought was at the time, or that it was due to other variables.

I had the prophecy that beast is stress test for all but not for me only!

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Don is one of the most informed erudite christian scholars on this site.  His remarks about early christian writing, choice of the terms "beast," and the mark make a lot of sense historically.

Did you read BIBLE'S INACCURACIES section of my article?

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To say that all positive afterlife experiences are hallucinations and that we all meet Satan immediately after death goes against all the evidence ever gathered over centuries.  No offense intended, but your vision was yours - it is wrong for you to spin your own experience to the rest of humanity.

I would glad to believe that had hallucinations 20 years ago! But the mark of beast can't be wiped out from my face!

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Many have had near death experiences, met loved ones and brought about some sort of compelling evidence to support this.

I never had NEAR death experience! I had REAL death.

I would recommend to every who has doubts to pray as it was decribed in PRAYER section of my article!

Be bless!

Nickols_k I think you are being very sincere, I hear what you are saying.

Thank you for sharing this information.

May the Angels of Love be with you.
Caryn

Hi Ra   Jesus went into the desert wilderness for forty days and forty nights,and The Devil tried to tempt him,but the Devil did not succeed,because Jesus was the son of God.

So Satan must have existed,if you dont beleive that Jesus did this,then you are saying Jesus was a lie.

The Devil is not underground,but he is around,thats why God is going to stop him soon and throw him into the abyss.

And i can honestly say i am not a retard,just because i write down,what i have read,and what i beleive.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha

Hi RA  how dare u call me a retard i am no such thing but it sounds to me you are describing yourself i doint care what you say the devil existed it sounds like youve got a bit of him in you ,i dont like the devil i dont like to think he existed but the plain truth is he did ,youve got your opininons and so have i so there you are i ,ll write what i want on this forum i,m entitled to as much as you any day of the week . deanna

Juditha:

You don't have to claim that Jesus is a liar in order to say that the below is inaccurate.

To me it doesn't make sense that somebody like Jesus would have to speak to somebody like the devil for forty days and forty nights. If somebody like the devil even bothered to mess with somebody like Jesus, the conversation would've been over in a few seconds.

If you take the Bible literally, the devil made only three or four propositions to Jesus. Would it really take forty days and nights for just three or four propositions to me made?

You have to take into consideration that Jesus' stories were communicated by word of mouth, and a number of years passed before they were written down. Also, people, yes people, decided which stories of Jesus would become a part of the Bible, and how they would be translated. If you examine how different versions of the Bible have been translated, it easy to see that the human factor has been a significant factor.

My feeling is that Jesus' forty days and nights with the devil might be symbolic of his spending forty days and nights overcoming his lower egoic nature so he could live according to God's love and light completely. If you look at the history behind the word devil and the various ways it has been used, it is certainly possible that the word devil took the place of lower egoic nature. Considering how later translations turned a fallen king into a fallen angel (Isaiah) and added eternal damnation language, it is certainly possible that Jesus' story of dealing with and overcoming his own lower nature could've been turned into devil talk. Just consider how losely demon and devil were thrown around in the gospels. Some people accused Jesus and John the Baptist of being possessed by devils. No way.

If you believe it is wrong to speak of Jesus as having a lower nature at some time, isn't it possible that one of the reasons he came here is so that he could show us by example how to overcome our lower nature?

I hope you can consider what I wrote. It's hard to consider things anew when the beliefs we have in place influence how we come to conclusions.




wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:49pm:

Hi Jesus went into the desert wilderness for forty days and forty nights,and The Devil tried to tempt him,but the Devil did not succeed,because Jesus was the son of God. So Satan must have existed,if you dont beleive that Jesus did this,then you are saying Jesus was a lie. The Devil is not underground,but he is around,thats why God is going to stop him soon and throw him into the abyss. And i can honestly say i am not a retard,just because i write down,what i have read,and what i beleive. Love and God bless      Love Juditha

Hi Recoverer,i did not mean that Jesus was talking to the devil in the desert for forty days and forty nights,i meant that the devil tempted him now and again through those days and nights.

Everyone seems to think that the bible is not to be beleived,whatever i say about the bible,i get put down for it,i just given up,i guess i best not say anymore.


It must be a nice feeling for you to know it all recoverer and i say this with all respect

Love and God bless    Love juditha

Juditha:

I don't know it all, but I try to listen to my heart.

My heart tells me that God has ultimate wisdom and infinite love. The same is true with Jesus.

There are numerous times within the Bible in which God is spoken of as if he "isn't" a being of ultimate wisdom and infinite love. When such occurences happen, I have a choice. Either I can decide that despite what my heart tells me God isn't a being of ultimate wisdom and infinite love, or I can consider the factor of how numerous men (not women) have determined what went into the Bible, and some of these people didn't understand what God is actually about.

You know, for the longest time I thought I was free of fundamentalist ideas. Eventually my spiritual development reached the point where parts of my unconscious mind were made known to me. I found that some of these parts believed that perhaps fundamentalist ideas are true, and if I go against them satan and eternal damnation are headed my way.

As I would go for my daily walk I would tell God that his divine plan is important to me and whatever it is I'm on board. But, I also told him that I can't assert to myself that the Bible is completely true and Jesus is a significant part of your plan, without really knowing. Especially not since my heart tells me that you are a being of infinite love and wisdom. I'm open to what you have to tell me.

God responded, and I started to receive messages and have experiences that told me that Jesus Christ is a significant part of the spiritual evolution of mankind. However, I've also been told not in the fundamentalist way that people believe.  I also get the feeling that God and Jesus don't mind if we question the Bible. This is part of the reason we were given minds to discriminate with. So we won't be mislead by the false interpretations of others, and end up believing in viewpoints which suggest that God isn't a being of infinite love and wisdom, and that he would allow things to play out so that billions of his beloved children end up in hell for all of eternity, simply because they didn't come around to believing in a certain way.

On more than one occasion I've experienced divine love in a manner where I wanted to get down on my knees in order to express my grattitude and humility towards God, Jesus and other beings of love and light. I didn't, because I don't believe that they want to be worshipped in such a way. They just want to be appreciated for who they are.

I figure that God and Jesus experience more love than I've experienced. This being the case, I don't see how they could possibly match the diescriptions that are sometimes presented in the Bible. Do you realize how much it would hurt them if billions of souls ended up in hell for all eternity? No way they would allow things to play out in such a way.

God and Jesus won't stop loving you for wondering if the Bible completely represents what they are completely about. If anything, you would put really big smiles on their faces.  :) :)



wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 2:37pm:

Hi Recoverer,i did not mean that Jesus was talking to the devil in the desert for forty days and forty nights,i meant that the devil tempted him now and again through those days and nights. Everyone seems to think that the bible is not to be beleived,whatever i say about the bible,i get put down for it,i just given up,i guess i best not say anymore. It must be a nice feeling for you to know it all recoverer and i say this with all respect Love and God bless    Love juditha

Hi Recoverer What you have written,has made me sit and think about my ideas of certain things and one thing i realised that sometimes ,i do feel afraid of things as i had that really bad experience the other week,with a negative entity,but it could not hurt me as i told it to go to the light the next night and it has not happened since.

I carry love in my heart and i realise that i should know in a way by doing what i do as a medium,and by practising as a medium,i have learned that the spirit world holds nothing but pure unconditional love.

I remember reading of a message from spirit through this medium,that spirit were saying that there is no such thing as hell,its just a manmade word,i have experienced so much love since i have communed with spirit,and i realise now thats whats there unconditional love for all of us.

I am sorry recoverer for saying about you think you know it all,thats not fair,as i realise now that i was thinking i knew it all as well,you got as much right, as me to write what you think about things.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha

Hello Judita:

Please see responses below.


wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:37pm:

Hi Recoverer What you have written,has made me sit and think about my ideas of certain things and one thing i realised that sometimes ,i do feel afraid of things as i had that really bad experience the other week,with a negative entity,but it could not hurt me as i told it to go to the light the next night and it has not happened since. "I've experienced some creepy things myself. I guess it goes with the territory when you can communicate with spirits. Nothing bad has happened to me yet, and the divine spirits I'm in contact with tell me I don't have anything to worry about. Nevertheless, I occasionally still allow fear to assert itself at times. Nothing like it used to though. My friends in the spirit World have helped me so much in this regard." I carry love in my heart and i realise that i should know in a way by doing what i do as a medium,and by practising as a medium,i have learned that the spirit world holds nothing but pure unconditional love. I remember reading of a message from spirit through this medium,that spirit were saying that there is no such thing as hell,its just a manmade word,i have experienced so much love since i have communed with spirit,and i realise now thats whats there unconditional love for all of us. "My experience, heart and common sense tell me the same thing about the love that is available. I believe that God and our friends in the spirit World believe that we worry way more than we need to." I am sorry recoverer for saying about you think you know it all,thats not fair,as i realise now that i was thinking i knew it all as well,you got as much right, as me to write what you think about things. "Thank you for the apology, but no need. I can tell that you're a really nice person, and you wouldn't want to do anything to hurt anybody. Perhaps you just got emotional for a moment, like I do. Sorry for when I've gotten carried away." Love and God bless      Love Juditha

Hi Recoverer You do not have to say sorry either,as i feel the same about you ,that you are really a nice person,with a lot of love in your heart.

Love light and God bless you     Love Juditha

Thank you Juditha:

One day we'll visit with each other in heaven, and have a good laugh about how each of us got it wrong in our own way while we were down here.  ;D


wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 4:51pm:

Hi Recoverer You do not have to say sorry either,as i feel the same about you ,that you are really a nice person,with a lot of love in your heart. Love light and God bless you     Love Juditha

Hi Recoverer We will also have celestial tea together in heaven,while we are having a laugh about how each of us got it wrong in our own way down here. :)

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Oh, I'm getting thirsty already.  :) I'll bring the celestial crumpets. They're shaped like hearts.


wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 5:05pm:

Hi Recoverer We will also have celestial tea together in heaven,while we are having a laugh about how each of us got it wrong in our own way down here. :) Love and God bless   Love Juditha

Hi Recoverer The celestial crumpets sound delicious,we must have celestial blackcurrant jelly and icecream for desert.I feel quite hungry now.

Love and God bless       Love Juditha

augoeideian wrote on Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:41am:

Nickols_k I think you are being very sincere, I hear what you are saying. Thank you for sharing this information. May the Angels of Love be with you. Caryn

Be bless and peace to you!

Sorry to divert from the topic but I'm not going to insult and curse as a way to dump on revelations even though I really don't prescribe to such a divisive dogma But people are entitled to their own beliefs. Regrettably from my perspective of liviing this life, I acknowledge that this world is a belief system territory and its really hard to get people out of their enjoyment of 'separation' rather than living as a 'oneness'  

I have even considered the overall picture to the point that all these different beliefs are merely different perspectives of judgement. Get rid of judgement and realise that everything is just a choice of how to perceive different experiences, knowledge and different judgements then you arrive at a simple enough way of looking at life.

If there is any universal truth it is FREE CHOICE. There is a universal love but even that is still a judgement of a kind because other can choose to deny this. These are not my original thoughts, I am talking this way because of my interest in listening and reading about channeled information. A regular podcast I listen to is: 'The Wonders, the world's most profound source of unconditional love and spiritual enlightenment, are a collective energy consciousness on the 29th dimension of reality – almost at one with God/Goddess/The All That Is – channeled exclusively by deep trance psychic or deep trance channeler Rene Gaudette.'

It helps me not to judge so much and even though people talk about things that from my perspective looks bogus and utterly false, I shouldn't insult with name calling and words despite my inner frustration and anger.

http://www.thewonders.com/

Ra. wrote on Dec 5^th, 2006 at 7:23pm:

Satan DOES NOT EXIST!!!! There is no eternal battle between Good and Evil. The whole concept of that is stupid. The bible was written by man, there was no Deity that came down and spoke to somebody and said here, write this book. I'm really tired of hearing this religious bullshit on this forum. After all the evidence against the bible you retards still cling to it. I'm sorry if I am upsetting anyone BUT WAKE THE FUK UP!!!!! Do you really believe life started with 2 fuking people??? Do you really think someone stood in a fuking Oven and didn't toast??? And I hope you really don't believe that someone was thrown into a WILD lion den, full of hungry lions and didn't get eviscerated. Also take into account the 5 billion other religions that most of you think to be wrong. YOUR ALL WRONG!!! Yes there is an afterlife!!! Yes there is a god!!! But no he is not vengeful!!! No he is not jealous!!! THESE ARE HUMAN EMOTIONS!!! There is no Monster Demon beneath the earth  waiting for you to do something bad so he can add you to his naughty list. If you believe this your an idiot I'm sorry. Your dumb as hell. Stop coming to this forum to post your retarded babble. go to christ.com or something GTFO!!!

I basically agree with what you said except I didn't quite have the heart to say it like you did  ;)

Please understand that my article is based on the prophecies of God-Father and on my own experience!

Be bless!

nickols_k wrote on Dec 15^th, 2006 at 5:44am:

Please understand that my article is based on the prophecies of God-Father and on my own experience! Be bless!

I don't think anyone's accusing of lying but as you said 'my own experience'. Beliefs are a very powerful tool. Just because you experienced this does not mean other people will.

Never say die wrote on Dec 15^th, 2006 at 9:19am:

nickols_k wrote on Dec 15th, 2006 at 5:44am: Please understand that my article is based on the prophecies of God-Father and on my own experience! Be bless! I don't think anyone's accusing of lying but as you said 'my own experience'. Beliefs are a very powerful tool. Just because you experienced this does not mean other people will.

The mortality of human is present! And every man inherits afterlife! So everyman will have the experience like I had!

nickols_k wrote on Dec 18^th, 2006 at 5:32am:

Never say die wrote on Dec 15th, 2006 at 9:19am: nickols_k wrote on Dec 15th, 2006 at 5:44am: Please understand that my article is based on the prophecies of God-Father and on my own experience! Be bless! I don't think anyone's accusing of lying but as you said 'my own experience'. Beliefs are a very powerful tool. Just because you experienced this does not mean other people will. The mortality of human is present! And every man inherits afterlife! So everyman will have the experience like I had!

Erm, I DISAGREE! Haven't you been reading this site?? I suggest you look at the thread about belief playing a big role in the afterlife. I certainly haven't seen a beast in any of my experiences. We are essentially our thoughts and my soul doesn't wish to be met by a beast upon crossing over.

Never say die wrote on Dec 20^th, 2006 at 7:18am:

Erm, I DISAGREE! Haven't you been reading this site?? I suggest you look at the thread about belief playing a big role in the afterlife. I certainly haven't seen a beast in any of my experiences. We are essentially our thoughts and my soul doesn't wish to be met by a beast upon crossing over.

If you guess that you had visited the afterlife then how did you call youself after returning into this world?

Nickels, I have been to the "afterlife" so many times I cannot count, as I'm sure many others here have.  I can tell you from experience that I have not ONCE seen any type of beast as you speak of.  This was obviously somthing you had believed you were going to encounter, either in your conscious thoughts or on a deeper subconscious level.  These are the facts.

Hi Nickols all thats happened is that you had a very negative experience and all of us on here have at sometime in our lives have had a negative experience.

God will always be with you,inside you,around you with his pure unconditional love,he will never leave you and God protected me from my negative experience with his love and glorious light.

God loves you and always will.

Love and God bless you               Love Juditha

I'm jumping in on this thread and heaven't read many posts. But I personally don't believe in any mark such as the was people think. I Know I just posted about something that happend to my son being "marked" so to speak, but I think the mark of the beast has a little to do with money maybe. But I'm weird on bible prophecy these days. I think that they will accuse the right guy of being the so called beast when he is really loving and peaceful.
My idea of what will happen in the near future is a beautiful thing, not an ugly one.

I Am Dude wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2006 at 3:55pm:

Nickels, I have been to the "afterlife" so many times I cannot count, as I'm sure many others here have.  I can tell you from experience that I have not ONCE seen any type of beast as you speak of.  This was obviously somthing you had believed you were going to encounter, either in your conscious thoughts or on a deeper subconscious level.  These are the facts.

It's impossible to have real death and keep the MAN status! Nobody is able to be returned from afterlife with MAN status!

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God will always be with you,inside you,around you with his pure unconditional love,he will never leave you and God protected me from my negative experience with his love and glorious light. God loves you and always will.

God-Father siad me that He loves me! But he hates almost all other people! Please read my article!

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I'm jumping in on this thread and heaven't read many posts. But I personally don't believe in any mark such as the was people think. I Know I just posted about something that happend to my son being "marked" so to speak, but I think the mark of the beast has a little to do with money maybe. But I'm weird on bible prophecy these days. I think that they will accuse the right guy of being the so called beast when he is really loving and peaceful. My idea of what will happen in the near future is a beautiful thing, not an ugly one.

I have the mark of beast on my left cheek! I not believe but I know that the mark is not money!

Be bless!

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God-Father siad me that He loves me! But he hates almost all other people! Please read my article!

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Clearly you are bordering on insanity with remarks like this.

Never say die wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 10:59am:

Clearly you are bordering on insanity with remarks like this.

Please ask God_father but not me about love! My article explains that there is difference between God and God-Father!
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I need to say that God is love and God is truth to those who get know God as God.
1 John 4:8"He that loves not knows not God; for God is love".
With other people He is omnipotent. As I was informed in prophecy:
"God-Father hates us but does that not very heavily".
Previous Creations he did hate heavily. There are people who were beloved by God-Father but they had personal prophecies about that. It's very important don't mix the case when God-Father behaves Himself as love but even in this case hates in own heart with case when He loves somebody.

Be bless!

Never say die wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 10:59am:
God-Father siad me that He loves me! But he hates almost all other people! Please read my article!

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Hmmm. I happen to know that God loves me to. Because he says so. I'm assuming that the powerful spirit that speaks to me time to time is the real thing. And I have had so much love poured out on me during the most trying times in my life also. That spirit is love.

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Nickels, I have been to the "afterlife" so many times I cannot count, as I'm sure many others here have. I can tell you from experience that I have not ONCE seen any type of beast as you speak of. This was obviously somthing you had believed you were going to encounter, either in your conscious thoughts or on a deeper subconscious level. These are the facts. It's impossible to have real death and keep the MAN status! Nobody is able to be returned from afterlife with MAN status!

It seems as if you are confused about a few things.  First of all, many people have died and been revived.  Many souls, upon death, have slipped into the afterlife, only to find themselves right back in their body upon its revival.  Its called a Near Death Experience.  There have been thousands upon thousands of them recorded in history.  Do some homework, the facts are in plain sight.  Of course, never have I said I have died.  You do not have to die to explore the afterlife.  I have been doing it long before I even knew that was what I was doing.  It seems like you may be putting the "afterlife" up on a pedistool.  It is simply a plane of consiousness that is one of higher frequency than the physical plane.  This plane can be, and always is, accessed upon death of the physical body.  Of course, this is not the only way.  You can access these higher levels through Out of Body Experiences, phasing, and certain other altered states of consciousness.  


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God-Father siad me that He loves me! But he hates almost all other people! Please read my article!

This may be the most absurd statement in the history of statements.  God is nothing more than the infinate consciousness that we all are.  The only ones that "god" does not love, are the ones who do not love themselves, since you are in fact one with the infinate consciousness we call god.  


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I have the mark of beast on my left cheek

Perhaps its just a big zit?

You can quote any statement from the bible you want, it has the same validity as me quoting a statement from a Steven King book.  The bible is more or less a compilation of legends and stories written before it, and is more or less a story of the zodiac.  You can dissagree all you want, but almost the entire story of the bible is similar in some cases down to the very word with stories written by past cultures and religions, people have spent their whole lives researching this "holy book," and you cannot argue with facts.  This beast only exists in your mind, and of course in the minds of those who also choose to believe in it.

Nichols it has everything to do with money, what do you keep on your mind or in you hand, its usually money. The bible was full of anti love for money ideas, because when you think on these things too much you don't keep your mind on higher things. Also, there is a claim that eventually the cash we use will eventually just become debit cards then eventually they will mark you for trade. I don't know if that prohecy is true but its feasable.

eggshellseas2 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2007 at 5:01pm:

Nichols it has everything to do with money, what do you keep on your mind or in you hand, its usually money. The bible was full of anti love for money ideas, because when you think on these things too much you don't keep your mind on higher things. Also, there is a claim that eventually the cash we use will eventually just become debit cards then eventually they will mark you for trade. I don't know if that prohecy is true but its feasable.

Please understand that word money was used since Adam's fall! Money is not MARK! If you will try to study slavery then you may understand that slave is not able to buy or sell! Host may to buy or sell because he has something what differs him from slaves! Mark of beast will be like SIGN which grants rights to perform operations of buying or selling for owners of this MARK!

Be bless!

Hi Nickols I read this somewhere         When Satan comes knocking at your door simply say "Jesus can you answer that for me please."

Love and God bless      Love Juditha

nickols_k wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2007 at 6:00am:

eggshellseas2 wrote on Jan 1st, 2007 at 5:01pm: Nichols it has everything to do with money, what do you keep on your mind or in you hand, its usually money. The bible was full of anti love for money ideas, because when you think on these things too much you don't keep your mind on higher things. Also, there is a claim that eventually the cash we use will eventually just become debit cards then eventually they will mark you for trade. I don't know if that prohecy is true but its feasable. Please understand that word money was used since Adam's fall! Money is not MARK! If you will try to study slavery then you may understand that slave is not able to buy or sell! Host may to buy or sell because he has something what differs him from slaves! Mark of beast will be like SIGN which grants rights to perform operations of buying or selling for owners of this MARK! Be bless!

Well why worry about it really. Worry is a waste of time.

eggshellseas2 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2007 at 1:55pm:

nickols_k wrote on Jan 2nd, 2007 at 6:00am: eggshellseas2 wrote on Jan 1st, 2007 at 5:01pm: Nichols it has everything to do with money, what do you keep on your mind or in you hand, its usually money. The bible was full of anti love for money ideas, because when you think on these things too much you don't keep your mind on higher things. Also, there is a claim that eventually the cash we use will eventually just become debit cards then eventually they will mark you for trade. I don't know if that prohecy is true but its feasable. Please understand that word money was used since Adam's fall! Money is not MARK! If you will try to study slavery then you may understand that slave is not able to buy or sell! Host may to buy or sell because he has something what differs him from slaves! Mark of beast will be like SIGN which grants rights to perform operations of buying or selling for owners of this MARK! Be bless! Well why worry about it really. Worry is a waste of time.

Nobody worries about that! I just hate false-theories!

be bless!