JOURNAL ENTRY 1

Wave 1, part 1. Its just an introduction to some energy techniques and focus 3. I learned how to make an energy conversion box to put all of my thoughts in so I wont be distracted during the exercises. I also learned how to do resonant tuning, which allows you to fill up with fresh energy and release stale energy. As soon as I began doing the resonant tuning energy breathing, I immediately started getting very pleasing vibrations and tingly sensations all over my body, I couldnt help but smile because it felt sooo good it was rediculous. And this was just the first 3 minutes of the program! After it was over i went to the next part.

Wave 1, part 2. This was an introduction to focus 10. It taught an affirmation about being more than physical and wanting to experience more than physical and be helped by guides and stuff like that. Anyway so he counts to ten while telling you to focus on relaxing specific body parts and making them go to sleep. It worked, this was the shortest amount of time ive ever been this relaxed, it took only about 5-10 minutes to get into focus ten. However, he cuts it short. So i went to the next exercise.

Wave 1, part 3. This was the same as part 2, only he introduces the resonant energy baloon. I envisioned energy coming out of my head, forming a baloon around me, then going back into my feet. I really felt it too. This technique got me even deeper into focus 10. Then there was the countdown, and I was very deep.  I felt twitches, and random feelings of vibrations, not too strong though. The exersize ended and I went to sleep.

The first three parts got me into focus ten faster than I could have imagined. I assume that the more I do it, the better and more efficient I will be at it. it is niiiiice, i liiiike.

thanks obeDude! I much enjoyed your exercise, especially the balloon energy circling through. you are very aware of your energy body, I can tell. love, alysia

someone here was asking about hemisync. there are sound factors in these tapes which allow the two sides of the brain to work in harmony through this sound, producing a relaxed state of mind. this my perception, as I've not used hemisync but believe in the technique. I use classical music to do the same thing for me, particularly new age classical with the flute.....oooweeeee!!! :)

anyhoo the tapes can be purchased through TMI, the Monroe Institute and Bruce has some tapes u can order on this site.

JOURNAL ENTRY 2

This time I started with Wave 1 part 2. I only did this so I could repeat the affirmation they state, because they leave it on in part 3. I slipped into focus ten very very fast, like 3 or 4 minutes I was suprised.  After the resonant tuning excerise, I switched to part 3, where I fastforwarded to the resonant energy balloon. At this point i was probably as deep as I was at the end of all the exercises yesterday. which is very good.  I would go in and out of thinking clearly, sometimes fantasizing about flying or skateboarding down the street in sync with the noises coming from the headphones.

it was over pretty shortly, so I switched to part 5. I knew part 4 was boring and had nothing to do with my goal... to achieve OBEs easier and switch into different focus levels at will. So with part 5 something interesting happened. I would kinda phase out for a second, then hear a loud click and be tuned in once again with a heightened awareness. Ive read about this but never had it happen, so it was pretty cool. But then it all got messed up. My cat knocked something over, and it totally snapped me out of it!! I got so mad I threw the cat out. I tried again but i was so distracted by this point I just said f** it and went to bed. Hopefully I have better luck tonight. Im keepin the cat out, I can tell you that much.

the cat knows what you're doing  ;) next time keep your cool and take the cat with you or explain to it by telepathy what you are about to do and give it a love tranquilizer. cats are very sensitive to your light body. and you have to keep your cool or you won't reach the faster spinning phasing, portal, I guess you could call it. but you're going to meet yourself out there, is why emotions you will meet that you carry and u can't blame the animal for acting out what it feels coming from you.
u don't have to take the cat with you particularly, although some people report their animals travel with them, but the cat is expressing you when it knocks something over because I have this theory our emotions get deposited into the astral body of our animals. also get this; (you probably think I'm crazy by now, could be true! :) the purring vibration of a cat can help induce altered levels and make phasing easier.

but well, you did really good, even the skateboarding is great and knowing what focus level you're in is great! I thank you once more and hope I helped a little. and don't forget what you're doing is like being a mutant. god bless our mutants, the forerunners of a new race of men who can dimension slide gracefully with excited kitties and other critters by their side! http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/kitty.gif

JOURNAL ENTRY 3

Last night I used Wave 1 part 2 for the affirmation and relaxation countdown, then switched to part 3 to get into a deep focus ten. I was in focus ten proabably within five minutes of starting part 2, so this aspect is definatly improving. Nothing exciting happened in part 3, just feeling relaxed. So i switched to part 5.  I got very deep, but when he says to pretend like your floating out, and then tells you to "now roll over and float up" like your suppost to go out of your body, i could not acually do it. I need to be in a state of paralysis in order to get the vibrations to have an OBE, and i just wasnt there. So i just stayed in focus ten, day dreaming and getting lost in them at times, coming back to awareness eventually. SO nothing special happened this time, but its only my third day so I cant expect miracles right away.  At least im getting better at focus ten.
Oh yeah i need to mention this.. I was deep in ten and i asked to meet or talk to my higher self or guide. I have never done this, that i know of anyway. So right away an answer comes to my head, not yet im not ready yet. Now theres a good chance I came up with this answer myself and it was not acually my higher self communicating with me. So i asked when can i and i got an answer ... in time... so once again, i think this was me just thinking a probable answer rather than direct communication.  But i really dont know because i have never consiously communicated with any guides before. What do you think???

well Dude, I would say it was your higher self because the way I see it higher self starts out like this...being very subtle with the response to you so it doesn't make u nervous by giving you a lengthy discussion on the fundamentals of astral projection right away. you're just not ready for more.  The guides work with your higher self, and you might consider that as you begin to trust what you get, subtle or not, probability or not, as you utilize what is given it tends to bring in greater trust and lengthier messages because you stop doubting its for real.

when the answer was given to the question "when?" what decision did you make about that? you probably made the decision to continue exploring to see what develops. therefore you are doing fine to continue. its the ones who give up too soon that never see results. the way I see it, you have to balance persistence with patience to get anywhere. love, alysia

Hi oobDude,
thanks for sharing.

When asking questions, there are two things that can happen:
-it feels like you are monologing. That's not a really bad thing, maybe its your greater you... There's a phaenomenon that happens often to me, and at TMI and in Bruces books it's mentioned too, that is the answer can come very quick, sometimes even before you have finished asking, so it's easy to not notice it; keep it in mind. It is as if you already know the answer, but in physical awareness you block this knowledge.
-possibly you get visuals, feelings or sounds or all together, even cartoons are possible, tricky word riddles and such things. Can be difficult to decode it sometimes. Asking another person what it could mean can help, with me I sometimes don't see the forest because of the trees.

I too imagine sometimes in F10 to fly or walk around, or imagine a landscape I'm in. It's a good start when having difficulties to de-focus from the daily business, and you can use it for further things, for example when you have "built" a landscape you can state that you would like to meet a person there. (btw, these things are also good when sitting in the dentist's chair) In every stage of the HemiSync process you can ponder how much you imaginate; too much would mean you don't trust it anymore as important or meaningful, too less imagination can cause that you get nothing at all. Helpful means are in this regard REBal expanding, imagined tools like a flashlight to light the surrounding, and the imagination that the nonphysical surrounding has an inner light glowing which you can perceive, this to me often diminishes the imagination effort.

Spooky

Yeah thats exactly what happened... not even a second after I asked the quesitons, the answers came to me, as if the answer was part of the sentence I was asking. There wasnt even a second pause. I'm going to try again tonight and see if it happens again. I feel like whatever I ask, it is going to seem like I knew the answer all along.. but Im not sure Im going to be able to decifer if it is a factual answer or just some fictional answer i conjured up

Oh and i forgot to mention... about ten minutes into my focus ten, my right leg began twitching like crazy. It twitched and twitched and twitched, very rapidly. Somewhere around the Quad muscle region. Im not sure if it was the muscle or not, it may have been. But it twitched for about five minutes. It just wouldnt stop. Anyone experience somthing like this??

JOURNAL ENTRY 4

This session was very good considering the circumstances. It took place in the middle of the day, I was a little tired but did not have the urge to sleep. I think thats the main problem holding me back, when I do the exercises im physically and mentally tired, all i want to do is go to sleep.
So I listen to Wave 1 part 3 to get into focus ten, all goes well.
Then I switch to part 6, I have never done this part before.. you are suppost to explore yourself, and make a goal for the exercise and try to execute it. So my goal was first to contact my higher self, but then i realize I would rather be out of body before i did that, so i then desired to have assistance in getting out of my body from guides. Now while im attempting this, I have two major distractions.. first, my cat is next to me, and always seems like move around and shake the bed just when Im getting realy deep. Then, my brother walks in and turns all the lights on. AFter a minute Im finally by myself and I try to get back into it. So I imagine guides grabbing my hands and pulling me up. Suddenly, my arms become light as feathers. Then, I feel them rising! The crazy thing was, I wasnt in my usual state for an OBE. I was in focus ten, but my body definatly was not totally asleep like it usually has to be. I usualy need vibrations to become loose. But somehow my arms became loose, and they were just floating. However, a minute after they became loose the tape says... NOW RETURN TO WAKING CONSIOUSNESS BLA BLA BLA. So I snapped out of it. But this was some good progress, im very happy about it.

that is good news about the arms I'd say. be interesting if you could ask for a name of your guide. sometimes they don't think a name is important, but in some cases I think it would be important. I'm sure you have a few of them. also ask they be at least at your level of development or vibration or higher. sometimes I think they are learning as much as we are in how to help us reach altered states. good luck, although luck has nothing to do with it I'm sure. love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 5

I listened to Wave 1 part 3, and after getting into a deep focus 10 switched to part 6, where your suppost to explore whatever you want. So Im getting into it and my mom opens the door and i have to talk to her for a few seconds.. I dont move, just talk. So she left and i got back into it.  My goal was to contact my higher self and for a guide to pull me out of my body. It didnt happen. Im feeling stuck at this point... I mean some things came to me that I really didnt understand, it wasnt a total visual thing, like I saw it but I didnt see it, you know? Kinda imagined. But a few things just came out of left field and didnt make sense. But besides that nothing good. I want awsome things to happen. I want to see my guide, talk with my higher self, figure things out. But its only been five days so maybe its just too soon. I hear people at the Monroe Institute having amazing experiences the first night! why cant I??

I think you're trying to hard. keep practicing and don't compare your experiences to anothers or you'll never measure up. this is your personal journey. be grateful for whatever you get as gratitude helps make it happen. love, alysia

There is something about the idea of OOB and hemisync that reminds me of a scene from the movie The Matrix.  Neo (the hero played by Keanu Reeves) is watching a gifted girl bending a silver spoon with her mind.  She says the trick, what is it?  "Do not try to bend the spoon; that is impossible."  "Instead only try to realize the truth."  "What truth? asks Neo" "There is no spoon." "Then you will see, it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."


Consciousness is - that is all.  When we create an astral body, we are making a vehicle, but it is as artificial and meaningless as our physical flesh.  I therefore think that although floating through the astral sounds ideal to most of us, that this whole process is about freeing our minds.  

This was Monroe's and TMIs genius.  By going through focus levels, relaxation, possibly OOBE, eventually you deconstruct belief systems that limited your consciousness.  But guess what?  There is no spoon.  You do not see new vistas, visit the afterlife or appreciate love and the universe by hemi-sync or going OOB.  But the gateway series' main motif - that you are more than your physical body, is the driving thought that opens the gates to these new experiences.

I look forward to your further journal entries.  Alysia is right though.  Some people are at this for literally years or decades.  Wondrous experiences are bound to come to you, but don't get frustrated if their are leaps ahead followed by plateus.


Matthew

JOURNAL ENTRY 6

Yagshumesh. Started out with Wave 1 part 3 as usual, got to deep 10, then did a switcheroo to Wave 1 part 6. Thinking back, i do not remember much of what happened. What I remember is a lot of pressure and energy in my top chakra, then I moved the energy down my spine and it felt rediculously good like an orgasm in my back. I felt my awareness expanding and it was definatly different from previous attempts.  So the next thing I know, i hear... "wake up to full consiousness." I look at the clock and like 3 hours have passed! And its like 5 tracks ahead. Either I fell asleep, or just clicked out and did a whole bunch of stuff that I have absolutely no recollection of. Next time Im definatly going to affirm to myself that I am going to remember everything that happens. I also plan to start Robert Bruces New ENergy Ways while in focus ten. So I can begin to develope my energy body and OBE easier. Chenk yew.

ok, thanks for your post. and I support NEW. New Energy Ways. it worked almost too good for me...lol..love, alysia  btw, NEW and Bruces breath energy exercises are vastly similar programs so I'd say you can't go wrong with either.

Keep up with you journal, it help figuring thing up when you go back to it.

New, is a good exercise, i like it when i it came out a few years back..a lots of us were on his board also. I took what i needed form it and then went my way.
The wrapping technic got to me though..a bit too much.
Anyhow give it a good try and let us know.

With love,Romain

JOURNAL ENTRY 7

Tonight I decided I didn't need a warm up exercise to get to focus 10 anymore, like I usually listen to Wave 1 part 3 to get to focus ten then skip to another track. But this time I strictly did Wave 1 part 5.  In this track he tells you eventually to float up and roll out of your body, but I didnt even try to this time I just did what I wanted to do.  This time was different from all of my previous exercises, because this time I had no expectations. I just let whatever happen happen, and observed it objectively. So for the first time. I saw some things. My vision became 3D blackness, and I saw a whole bunch of beings ( i think)... everything was black, but different shades of black so I could make things out. So I saw a bunch of beings, then something up close but I couldnt tell what it was. The track ended by that time, so I went to sleep. Im satistfied withthis attempt though, before I was using this just to get out of body, but now I realize I can get even more out of this, I can have OBEs with out the tapes anyway.

O yea I forgot to add to the last Journal, I began to see hundreds of letters, they seemed to be moving either left or right... somein different colors.. I tried for a second to read them but it was impossible. This was a first.. what do you think was the meaning of that?

do u mean letters of the alphabet floating in different colors?

it could mean you are a born communicator of the written word...go get some more messages, this is getting interesting....

JOURNAL ENTRY 8

I began to listen around 330am last night... about ten minutes into it I was like screw this, Im too tired and went to sleep. However, I had two awazing OBEs this morning, You can read them in the newest topic.

LaffingRain wrote on Nov 24^th, 2006 at 6:00pm:

do u mean letters of the alphabet floating in different colors? it could mean you are a born communicator of the written word.....

Alysia, looks like your having a conversation by yourself ..or someone is..lol

PM..Please, love ya.

R.

ROFL! Romain..you know I like to talk to myself :) me and DP converse frequently. I think in some cases keeping a journal publicly is even better than privately. my question is not too important if he keeps going the way he's been going.  good to see you here Romain.

Hi OOB Dude.  I’m a new member but I’ve been following the Conversation Board for about six months.  I wanted to thank you for sharing your experiences with this online journal.  It’s been helpful to me and I look forward to seeing what comes next.  As for myself, I don’t seem to get past the 3-D blackness very often – so congratulations.

You mentioned in entry 6 a vibrating sensation in your crown chakra.  I’ve had a sensation there off and on for years – I suspect it’s always there I just need to let myself be aware of it.  Most times it’s a gentle sensation but at times it’s become intense.  Years ago with one of the intense states of vibrations I had an OOB experience with me rising out of the top of my head and then sitting up and seeing several people sitting in the floor in my room.  It was a shocking surprise.  Unfortunately that experience was interrupted by a loud noise of someone slamming a door.  I’ve only had a few partial experiences since then.

So here’s my question:  how did you move the vibration down your spine?  I know Robert Monroe talked about moving that vibration up and down your spine and then rolling over.  I don’t seem to get the vibration to move – it’s just there at the top of my head.  When I do Bruce Moen’s energy gathering and building exercises I get the feeling of that vibrating sensation expanding further out of my head.

Thanks for sharing your journal.  Keep it up.  Rob

When Im moving energy through my body, I do it by shifting my body awareness. Its called tactile imaging, if you know about Robert Bruce's New energy ways then im sure you know about it. I usually get strong energy vibrations in either my crown chakra or a spot inthe back of my head, near the top of my neck and the bottom of my brain. I just focus on that spot and move my awareness down, and the energy flows with it. I can create energy movement without the initial spontanious vibrations of course, its as easy as moving the energy that is already stimulated.  If I want my crown chakra stimulated i simply move my awareness in a circular motion on the top of my head and after a few seconds the feeling comes. To move the energy down your spine all you do is move the awareness down your spine.

JOURNAL ENTRY 9

Last night I started Wave 2 which is focus 12. I listened to parts 1 and 2.  I did not notice a huge difference in how I felt when I was suppost to shift from focus 10 to focus 12, so maybe I did not actually get to focus 12. O well. But some interesting things did happen. My intent was to communicate with my higher self. When I was deep in focus ten, i asked what my purpose was on earth. For some reason I picked up on.. soldier. Theres no way I would ever join the military, its so wrong and counter productive. So I dont know what that meant. A while into focus 10 my third eye chakra was stimulated all of a sudden, this was one of the first times it happened without me causing it to open.  I would get faint images in my mind of random things. All of a sudden I saw this place and a girl there, then I saw kind of a close up of the girl. I tried to focus on it more but nothing happened. I got one or two more glimpses of random people or places, but as soon as they popped into my head they were gone.  There was a weird thing that happened, also. It was like a pinpoint of energy I felt on my neck. It started to move all around my shoulder, and stopped on my back. The feeling of intense energy in one tiny dot stayed on that spot on my back, then i felt another dot move from my neck and move around. I stopped focusing on them though, and eventually got too tired to continue and went to sleep.

Thanks Dude.  I got Robert Bruce’s book from of the library a couple days ago.  Haven’t read that far yet but I’ll check out tactile imaging.  I’ll work on moving the energy down.  As to “soldier” that might refer to the archetypal idea of the warrior, which can be a positive thing.  You have a transpersonal commitment, you are in training and you’re confronting death (this is the afterlife knowledge site, right?) etc.  Those are warrior sort of things. Just a thought.  Rob

It still looks like progress to me Dude. your chakras (energy portals on the body) appear to being worked on.  If you feel spinning, that is an indication of chakra energy, or even the tingling is an indication of your light body working as is the 3rd eye movement.

Have u heard of a book "The Peaceful Warrior?"  it is not always negative to think of the word warrior in the way you are thinking. Warrior can also mean to be a force for good in the world. it may mean you will do battle within your new explorations, as this is an unknown territory you now enter...only the brave and courageous will even dare to go there for you will meet yourself there, and sometimes its difficult to face one's self, it may entail belief system crashing which just means you will expand your belief system in the end.  one thing I wish to let you know, it is a life style path you are on, not an overnight fast food drive thru, as you probably know this already.
I think you are doing extraordinarily well! love, alysia

Alysia your words mean a lot to me and are very encouraging. I appreciate your advise and kind words, thank you! You've helped me more than you think.

thank u Dude, you are a wonderful teacher btw. say, I know a way to heal the body by moving your awareness along your body, so glad you call it awareness, good term.

I was moving it up my legs one time and it stopped at the knees..anybody move their energy body and have a block in a place? since it stopped at one of my knees, I just pretended it jumped over my knees...I was aiming to bring it into the heart.

so when or if you get sick in a part of the body, what u do is work the awareness into focus on that area and surround the inflamation or whatever it is with this awareness and then let it settle there. then wait a second or two to see if this body part will talk to you. usually it will say something like "thanks for noticing me" or some other message to meditate on which lead to how u caused it so you can straighten it out.

then if you get on a roll and circle this energy in your body. it comes in the feet, say, and up through the head, then it makes a circle to go back in the feet, then expand it, it gets wider and bigger and you most likely will have an obe, maybe not right at the moment an obe, but after you go to sleep, you may notice the effects of your awareness exercise in the morning that you did indeed have an obe and remember every detail.  love, alysia

I'd be carefull about using energy manipulation techniques, regardless of who teaches them. Lots of people have run into problems with kundalini after some irresponsible guru taught an energy manipulation technique in mass.

The best way to clear energetic blocks is to work on the emotional and psychological issues that cause the blocks. If you try to force your energy past a block you're liable to bring up an issue that you aren't ready to deal with.

Ask you higher self for help, and it'll help you unfold your energy in a natural way.

I've found that once blocks are cleared, energy rises quite naturally according to need. Especially if you connect to your higher self.

If people knew the stories behind many kundalini gurus, they wouldn't be so quick to follow them.

these methods of energy movement are all in Bruce's books, the 5th Guidebook. don't start spreading fear around Bruce's books.

modify that: I feel I'm too harsh with you Albert. I apologize my gruffness, its my problem. its just that, when you read these boards its important that you re-read your own post to read it as if you were a newbie coming here for the first time to learn something you've never heard of before. if I was a newbie and I read your warning on this thread, which was cooking right along in positive manner, then all of a sudden you give a warning, and you and I know you are trying to be helpful and save somebody from undue stress and grief when a student (and we are all students) gets in with the wrong group or follows some guru which you are implying its the guru's fault, when we don't even know what guru you're identifying as misleading someone.  what happens with these threads here, is someone will say something negative and thats the end of the thread...no more exploration, no more sharing, kaput, thats all there is.  so if you and I share that we want people to explore their afterlife, and their inner life, and that would include our magnificent energy body within then I would ask you to read you words and ask if you are scaring away some newbie from even joining in the talk...I like new people to join in here and don't want them to think NEW is a negative approach. its not, I tried it, it works, it blew my mind, and I'm still safe and sound and still talking about it.
wouldn't trade any of my wake up experiences no matter how bad they felt at the time. next stop...death, the final frontier.

One more thought...there is nothing to fear on the other side...absolutely nothing can touch you. now everybody breath....you are loved, you are safe, we are all going home someday...and don't listen to too many gurus,  but if I had a guru and I don't have a physical guru, but if I had one, I would choose Bruce.

love, alysia

Salutations to all
Many years ago (started around 1997) I became interested in the Monroe CD's and tapes.  I ordered the Wave series--- one through 7 (I think there is only 6 in the series now).  I have been to a TMI weekend in Connecticut and a TMI week in Virgina at the Gateway seminars.  I have been experiencing OBE's since I was born: going back to the age of 5 years old. I found the Monroe CD's and Bruce Moen's CD's to be a very helpful tool for my growth in finding my spiritual self--- my overself-- my essense.  Remember::: These are tools. You are also an instrument caught inside a toolbox called a shell--The human body. Tools compliment each other when used properly. And the person (the inner self) using these tools needs to gather skill and experience through positive application of said tools. ;)

There is good and bad/evil, positive and negitive in this life experience on earth. So it is in the spiritual realm.  When going into any meditation, a positive, pure unconditional love attitude should be the trenchant approach: that is clear cut and assured. By refusing to accept any spirits below you in mind or in character will help protect your ultimate goal of finding who you really are. ::)

I am pleased that you are receiving positive feedback from the Monroe exercises. If some negative memories give you conflict--- analyze these situations and approach them with a positive explaination. Make good from the bad so you can continue in harmony.

---Carol Ann

thanks Carol Ann, its good to see more folks joining this subject with their own experiences, which its better to tell of our own experiences because we don't know what really happened to somebody else. its all just hear say. but we don't hear enough from people like you who went to TMI and this is what I longed for. thanks again alysia

As for my feelings up and down my spine when I meditate:
The only tingling I get is sometimes when I hum ohmmmmmm over and over. Then I feel the vibration of the sound start in my jaw to my ears then down my spine to the rear quarters.  It feels very relaxing.  The other sensation in my spine when meditating is when I "see" with my minds eye and feel at the same time a forward and backwards   S  shape  (almost like the number 8 but not closed) pulsing  around the spine. Sometimes the S's are pulsing east to west then west to east.  Sometime like a spindle twirling upwards then downwards.  I don't see or feel colors---- just in greys and whites.   I feel the energy and/or the pulsing.  --- cat

its interesting to see someone describe an image of the energy, especially the S shape. reminds me that the dna strand is a spiril. I don't get much imagery of energy. mine is mostly between the ears as warmth or tingling. lately been dancing a lot too and that is definetely the light body doing that...  thanks for sharing...is anyone here having a lot of computer problems cropping up? I sure am. love, alysia

Robert Bruce claims that when kundalini is raised, it rises from the bottom of the spine in the figure 8 shape you are talking about.  Im always down for some energy work, but kundalini is not somthing I want to mess with.  Its a little too extreme for me, it would actually probably kill me.

Out of body dude:

You sound like a smart man. Once kundalini is awakened, it's awakened, and you have no choice but to live accordingly. Lots of people have had problems with it. I had some difficulty with it even though spirit guidance has helped me out quite a bit. The thing is parts of your mind that used to be unconscious, become conscious, and energy manipulation techniques can cause things to become conscious before you are ready to deal with them. Some people with awakened kundalini end up having psychological problems. Many also have physical problems. Kundalini can also open a person up to non-physical experiences before they are ready to deal with them.

I went through a period where I was meditating three times a day. For a while I was progressing at a rate that was hard to handle. I received a message from my higher self that this was the case, and hence I went through a period that was hard to handle.

Despite how it might sound, I'm not complaining. Kundalini awakening is a part of my life plan. Partly because it helps me with retrievels. The message I get over and over again is that the most important thing to do is to grow in love. Have Christ consciousness in mind. This is really important when you have awakened kundalini, because the energy can be used in more than one way.

I can't comment specifically on Robert Bruce's technigues, because I've never read them.



I Am Dude wrote on Nov 29^th, 2006 at 1:12am:

Robert Bruce claims that when kundalini is raised, it rises from the bottom of the spine in the figure 8 shape you are talking about.  Im always down for some energy work, but kundalini is not somthing I want to mess with.  Its a little too extreme for me, it would actually probably kill me.

Alysia:

Out of body dude wrote about Robert Bruce's methods. I don't know the details since I haven't read them. I do know that Robert Bruce speaks of kundalini at times. The experience of myself and others shows that energy manipulation techniques often aren't the best way to go about awakening kundalini. It definitely isn't something that should be forced.

I have Bruce Moen's fifth book and he doesn't write about kundalini manipulation methods.


[quote author=laffingrain link=1163819502/30#31 date=1164755201]these methods of energy movement are all in Bruce's books, the 5th Guidebook. don't start spreading fear around Bruce's books.

JOURNAL ENTRY 10

Im laying down in focus ten. Not too deep. I feel intense energy at or right above both of my temples. Its sending jolts of energy down my body. It felt pretty good for a little bit. But the energy and pressure just kept getting stronger and stronger at my temples, especially my right temple. It was getting so intense it started to hurt. It wouldnt go away, so I sat up and rubbed my temples. The pressure went away in a few seconds, so I layed back down and tried very hard not to focus on my head so the energy sensations wouldnt come back. But they did. So I ripped off the headphones and ended my night session.

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I listened to Wave 2 part 1 and part 2.  I got into focus 10, immediately I heard this rushing/'hushing whisper wizzing by' type sound. It sounded simliar to the sounds that are sometimes made on his cds, but this one was louder, and totaly out of place. So i rewound the track, and the sound was nowhere to be found. The sound didnt come from my ipod.  Very strange. But i kept going. When he counted from 10 to 12 to go into focus 12, I felt an expansion. Thats the only way I can describe it. Into part 2 a dim light appeared instead of blackness, but went away. I felt like i was swirving around and going slightly upwards. But it ended in a few seconds. I was getting random images and thoughts in my head, but I couldnt make anything of them. They were things I definatly wouldnt have thought of regularly.

If any of you remmeber my post about having a dream that seemed important but I forgot it, heres an update. This is very weird. It wasnt really during a dream, because I dont think I was dreaming, it may have been in a state half sleep and half awake, Im not sure because I wasnt focusing on anything but sleeping. Im having the feeling of somthing very important, very different from anything else. I faintly remember communicating with something i could not see. I was realizing somthing in this state.  I remember thinking about what I was told in this state. I feel like Im so close to knowing what it is. I just cant put my finger on it. Im like oh yeah I was realizing... and then it goes fuzzy and blank.  I was only semi consious when this communication was taking place, because I remmeber it happening. I just wasnt consious enough to recall what I know. But Im getting closer.

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I listened to Wave 2 parts 1 and 2, like last time.  I got relaxed and in ten very fast. Suddenly I hear someone breathing. Its me haha. It was as if I had no assosiation with my body and heard the breathing from someone elses point of view. As soon as i heard it and realized it was me, my awareness of my body snapped back. A few minutes later i heard myself breath again, but also snapped right back. Once again, I heard a rushing sound that did not come from the track.  Lately I have been feeling an energy pulsating within me. I feel my heart beat slightly, but I am also aware of a faster pulsing within me, Its usually just a bit faster than my heartbeat, but at one moment I remember it was very very fast, yet soft. I think it was my heart chakra pulsing so fast.  Last night I felt the pulsing in my head, today it was all over. Lately I have been drifting off every once in a while, and things are going through my mind, and when I come back to full awaareness, I cannot recall what I was just thinking about(Or experienceing).  Any thoughts on this?

To add on to the previous post:

During this session, the phone rang about 5 times, and it was windy so the window was making noises. These distractions definatly stunted my progress during this session. O well you cant win every time.

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Last night I listened to Wave 2, part 1.  Almost immediately , I began to hear the same rushing noises. Some were louder, some were softer, some were longer, some were shorter. But Im almost positive its a spirit. On ghost hunters and other shows like that, when they record the sound of a spirit it sounds just like the sounds Im hearing. Im hoping its my spirit guide, Ive been trying to make contact for almost a week now. I also feel my energy becoming more and more active each time I meditate. Also, I again felt like my consiousness was wobbling around and drifting off slightly, but not OBE style. And again Ive had random images in my mind, faces, things, that I cant make a connection. Ive tried to focus on a face to possibly do a retrieval but no luck.

This morning I was in the state ive been in when Im communicating or recieving a message but cannot remember what I was picking up, only this time I remembered! I couldnt believe it... I thought.. okay, so this is what Ive been told.. Only after I found out, I went back to sleep and when i woke up again I couldnt remember! OMG. All I remember is it was like this.... do this while doing this and this will happen... or somthing. Man this sucks. I was so close to knowing. WHat I remember is when I realized what it was, i thought... well this doesnt make too much sense. It make perfect sense when i was in my altered state, but when I regain full consiousness and remembered what it was, it was a little odd and confusing. But that doesnt even matter because now I totally forget. But Im getting closer and closer.....

OOB Dude – I have a sense of Focus 10 but the only thing I know about Focus 12 is that it involves an expanded state of awareness.  From what you’ve written it sounds like you’re making progress.  You mentioned a feeling of expansion and the different energy related experiences suggest a change going on (or starting to go on) in your state of consciousness.  

I hope some folks who have experience with Focus 12 and beyond will add their thoughts.  Keep up the good work – I’m impressed with what you’ve accomplished and your ability to describe your experiences so well.  Thanks.

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Wave 2, part 1. Feeling semi-expansion on the count up to focus 12, not as much as before. I was very tired, I didn't start until like 330 am. My energy body was pulsing and wobbling as usual.  I did begin to see somthing in the darkness. I am not exactly sure what it was. It was dark and was moving around and there were several of them? Im not sure, but I got too tired and went to sleep.

My dream tests continued last night. I drempt I was being chased by this dude who wanted to beat me up for some reason, I forget why. So after running for a little while, I realized that I don't need to run anymore. I stopped running, turned around and faced this guy. He stopped, and I cant really remember what happened but whatever did happen I made it happen with my mind and willpower. Im leaning towards I caused him to stop in his tracks and threw him with my mind? Something like that... Anyway, at that point I realized I was dreaming so i started to fly all around and it was just great. I think that after a while I slipped back into a normal dream though..

just one comment Dude. I was pleased you stopped running. :) u will become master if you remember to not run.

u are also on your way to becoming a fine visionary. I'm just amazed at young people these days. I have been waiting all my life for you guys. love, alysia

Hi OoBDude and all,

listening to Focus 12 HemiSync sounds makes me feel expanded too- as if I become bigger, beyond the physical body limits. Though I listened a couple of times to F12 sounds, I couldn't develop a relationship to this state; it's mostly a bit confusing, unclear; I sometimes get pictures very fast, or am in an unreal environment. So I used it only to deepen relaxation, and/or to heighten my mental awareness.

Spooky

lve never done the tapes Spooky..but I do have some of Bruce's workshop tapes where he's talking to a group and theres some guided meditations on it, I have 9 hours of them.
Dude, I'd join in more, but thought maybe this was primarily your journal for us to enjoy. but will say that I've done the 3x3x3 breath.

when you do this exercise just remember love feelings can expand your mind, make it clear, see more, hear more. when I did this exercise I got that same expanded awareness Spooky which produces eventually, or can some very intense paranormal experiences that go along with this expanded state.

:)

Alyssia,

There is an ancient "relaxing breath," practised in India of 4/7/8 that I highly recommend.  One sits in meditative position, breathes in through the nose to a slow count of four, feeling the breath go down to the toes, hold it for a count of seven, and then slowly breath out through the mouth to a slow count of eight.  Even five minutes of this breathing is prodoundly relaxing.  The fact that yogis have used this pattern for centuries must mean something.


Doc

yes Doc I'm aware of some similar breathing methods. years ago I had a mentor for awhile who claimed to have deep connections to Eygpt. she said plug one nostril and breath through one in and out slowly to count of 10, then do the other side. It tended to quiet the mind but inside I was feeling very silly! later I practiced once something she taught me. just to breath very slowly and send awareness into every muscle to consciously release tension there. 20 minutes of this and I exited from the forehead area. so I'm definetely sure these methods have great validity and potential.

Last night I listened to Wave 2 part 2. I read in one of Bruce's articles that he had a convo with himself and requested to be able to percieve the nonphysical wheneever he desired, and he said that it works almost always. So thats exactly what I did. I didn't really have a convo, it was more of a one sided deal. Do you know if your suppost to imagine that your higher self is responding and come up with the other end of the dialogue yourself, or are you suppost to actually recieve responces? Maybe I should try it again and imagine I'm getting responces. It just seemed a little silly to me last night.

Im starting to get really deep. A little disoriented at times, seeing different lights at times and moving dark objects. Its not like I felt when first starting. Then I knew I was in focus ten but my perception basically stayed the same in that state. But now it feels different. However, when it gets really different for some reason my eyes start to open. I dont know why. Just when I know Im really about to see something and go further then Ive been so far, my eyes seem to open if I dont clench them shut. But then that disrupts my relaxation a little. Any advise? Does this happen to anyone else?

I recall Bruce said imagination was an important key.  The way I interpreted what I read is that initially you’re providing both sides of the conversation and that you use the impressions that you’re receiving to trigger the response part of the “imaginary” conversation.   I’m sure other folks can explain it better.  

About opening your eyes, I wonder if that might not be a subconscious response your body is making when you start to see something – like gee there’s something there I want to see it better and then your physical eyes open instead of your mental ones.

Rob

I forgot to mention the dream I had last night. I was being chased by zombies. I was running through this building. The next thing I remember is I was chopping these zombies down with an axe. Most of my chase dreams I am semi lucid during them and I realize it is a dream. But this one I had no idea I was dreaming, I was totally taken with it so chopping them down was my only option at the time. Obviously had I been more lucid I could have taken some more effective and nonviolent actions.

Dude, about the chopping :D  u already know this, but just say to yourself that next time you are in a dream landscape and u see zombies to "see them not there."  remember that in Bruce's books? then they should start to disappear. its like reverse imagining.

Wave 2 part 1. Now before I go on I just want to point out my mom was in the room next to mine in a very heated arguement on the phone, so I had to listen to that nonsense while trying to relax and do my thing... a very difficult task. So I get into focus 10, and I find it very easy to pass of my moms yelling, which is unusual for me. I actually feel an expansion into focus 12 too... which is crazy, I never would Have thought I could get so deep with all the commotion in the other room. But I realized it was definantly holding me back and I was loosing my focus, so I stopped.
WHile falling asleep I skipped to Wave 3. Here he gives you an exercise where you create your own light rod tool. THen you imagine you have a shell of light on your body, and a didffernet color shell represents a different physical function of your body. Then if you have any dim spots on the light shell, you heal it with the light rod tool. I must say, I think it may have worked a little. I feel so good today. I usually always feel good, but today I feel especially good.  ;D Very cool.

thats good with the light rod...anytime you perceive light into dim areas you are working with imagery to create that. thats why you feel good the next day or right away..you feel the benefits of working on yourself, your inner world creates your outer world, one person at a time. I am still avidly interested in your work!

thanks! love, alysia
I used to feel this way each time I did a retrieval. its especially good u can do this with noise going on around you.

I forgot to mention that last night during my session I began to have extreme energy sensations on the right side of my throat. It started just as a twitching, but before long there was energy shooting down my body from that spot and it was almost electrifying. I dont know why but I tend to get random energy activation at random places on my body. I was not comfortable with it after a while and rubbed it out. That didn't help much but I couldnt get rid of it by just focusing.

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I listened to Wave 2 part 1. I was really tired while doing it, so I wasn't really getting the most out of this session. What I remember is feeling disoriented, I think I was going deeper than I have before. Like I was lost in the blackness.

This morning I woke up, and went back to sleep. But When I went back to sleep, I seemed to have entered that weird state I would go into in the morning where I would vaugly remember being somewhere else and being taught things. Well while in this state I was semi consious. I remember viewing the universe, I dont know if it was this one, but I remember seeing starts and I was in space. I just get the feeling Ive been getting where I was just told something but do not remember it.  I'm almost positive its my higher self. Ive been trying for so long to reach me, there has to be some communication going on.  I feel it.  

same here Dude. I wake up in the morning alot hearing conversations I am participating in and its always a sense of a group. you will get so you can start remembering what was said, first parts of it, then sometimes whole sentences, or parts of a rote of info. as you go on into your day the rote unravels into further info of whatever you're working on in your thought system.
for the most part the participants will be group members here speaking personally, as this is where I think on things. we are all connected, its not just the body..its our universal mind that is connected, and mind never sleeps.

Bruce mentioned this phenonmenon in another post; that he observed himself in 3 locations having 3 different conversations. but at first its just a vague sense of having been somewhere, maybe a sense of excitement, even some other feelings can reveal where you've been or what you learned or are learning.
you are definetely within a school of thought and others are participating in your learning. this started happening for me back in 2000 and has increased somewhat. you are doing good. always set your intention to remember where you've been and it should get more clear who and what you are! we all strive for that kind of information.

love, alysia

Thanks for sharing your evolving experiences OOBD.

It's an amazing journey.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Journal Entry 18

Last night I decided to back to the basics and did a focus ten exercise. My proficency for entering focus ten has probably doubled since my last f10 exercise. After getting into ten I did a focus 12 exercise and got the usual expansion feeling. Ive been reading Bruces articles lately, so I decided that maybe to phase I need to start it out as an imaginational scene. So I imagined meeting with my guide, he was human form but made of light. I was talking to him for a bit, and then asked to do a retrieval at a hollow heaven. So we went to this place with lots of clouds, and I tried to talk to someone but it was a little awkward, so I changed my mind and asked to go to the park in focus 27. I tried to imagine what the park looked like the best I could.. I was still imagining this journey. Then I imagined talking to the lady at the park that Monroe described in Ultimate Journey, the one who greets everyone. I got a distinct picture in my head of what she looked like, so I was talking to her for a little bit but couldn't come up with many good questions. I was hoping maybe this imaginational journey would jumpstart some phasing but I dont think it did. After it didn't work out I just layed in the blackness. I was always seeing things, mainly just different shades of grey and black, some little lights. I would get a distinct picture of someone every now and then. One time a scene of two women walking in a distinct place outdoors flashed in my head. I concentrated on it but nothing happened. I was also shown a picture of this guys face. He reminded me of a backstreet boy haha. I read in Bruces article that in order for a retreival or phasing to work you have to totally shut down "the interpreter" and only be the perciever. Its hard though because every time I see somthing I immediately ask to myself who is that what should I do this and that. Any tips would be appreciated.

I think that if you see something it is normal to have a question what it is. what my guides do is say focus in closer or imagine to be up near to the face or person to see their eyes if u can. if you are looking at something that is odd, you can imagine to close your eyes and ask for clarity and open again. if u see the same thing over and over that is generally a sign you can go with it and it could as well shapeshift into something else. if you can watch it shapeshift you will be observing another interpretation taking place and probably a better one than the first. then to direct your question to the guides is good, but be sure and wait to hear the answer before blinking out.

Hi Dude.  I was wondering if you could describe the feeling of expansion when you go into focus 12.  Looks like you’re progressing.  That’s great.  Someone once wrote that they thought you had a ghostly green skin.  I’m definitely getting red tones now.  Nice picture.  Rob

The expansion feels like my point of perception and awareness is stretching out in all ways. Sometimes I feel an expasion accompanied by a feeling of lifting upwards as well.  Haha the skin is not really green its just the lighting. If your skin is turning red you might want to talk to a doctor lol.

Hi ooBDude,
it's good to ask for "take me to ...", like to F 27. You may firstly only get vague impressions, very brief glimpses. But these little pieces could, put together, catalyze more detailed perceptions.
Would be great you go on with the Gateway Experience. You have the full series up to F 21? Once you feel you have a good tune in F 15, and F 21, then it's, I think, much easier to go farther.
You have done the energy bar exercise. You could try to reshape your energy bar to a flashlight, maybe it helps to get better visuals, or try to do something with your rebal. imagine you have an perception-rebal and then extend it, thinking everything it encompasses you would be able to perceive. And to ask for a helper or guide is never wrong.
Once you get clear perceptions of F 27 please tell me how the entrance lady looks... curious if it's the same lady I met.

Spooky

Thanks for the tips spooky. Ill try them out tonight. The image I got of the lady in the park looked like the homeless lady from Home Alone 2 lol. But it could have been 100% my imagination for all I know right now.

Looks different than mine...

Time for some new entries, I hope everyone is excited!

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Last night I take it back to focus ten excerisises again. I'm on Wave 1 part 6. It seems like each time I do an exercise I get deeper than before, and faster. I get the 3D blackness almost half way through the tape, about 15 min... which is my record so far.  I see things that look like some hyroglyphics or some kind of symbols. I see this chineese dragon type thing. Then I see dots of light all over, and they start moving as if I'm moving through them. But I only get this feeling when I'm out of body, moving through space quickly. I'm thinking maybe this was the begining of a phase? I'm not too sure. The morning session was much much better...

This morning I woke up and decided to try an exercise in the morning. I've never done this before so I did not know what to expect. You know what happened? OBEEEEEEEsssssss.  I was laying down, and realised I was getting the sinking sensation that I get before I project. So I got vibrations soon after, and floated out. My vision was terrible at first, I couldn't see a thing. So I moved away from my body and demanded clarity and to be able to see, and my vision came. I floated out of my room through the wall and outside. As I was going through the wall, the first thing I saw outside is somthing I'm not too sure of, but for some reason I have a memory of it and a strong impression. But I'm not sure if I really saw this or not. But I think I saw an angel looking being floating up. I looked to the right, and about a foot away from my house was a door, just floating there. It was wobbling around a little bit. I wanted to go investigate but I was sucked back into my body.

I was easily able to slip out again.  This time I rolled to my left. But my vision was terrible again. The demands for clarity and sight did not work, so I decided to try the good old spin around a billion times technique that I discovered to work well for sight.  It did not work too well though, so I flew up through the house and into the sky. My sight came when I was up in the sky finally. I think that when I spun around, I transported myself to a very very strange place. The sky looked like a cartoon. It honestly looked like it was drawn with colored pensils and crayons. So I flew down and saw a large field. This field also seemed like a cartoon. I saw very strange abstract sculptures. Then I saw something protruding from the field. I think it may have been bushes. They were sculpted into letters. The letters read... Georges Dream. I got a feeling that I may have been in someones dream world. My memory fades at this point and I don't remember much else.

I think I'm going to do an exersise every morning. This one provided a few OBEs with no effort on my part, so daddy likes.

lol dude, is daddy Mr Monroe? :)  we have a George here on this board. I am wondering now if George will be posting his dream soon. we shall see, it could be you were really in his dream. love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 20

Since my last entry, I have been doing the exercises. However Ive been experiencing a hell of a lot of clicking out.  I think I have clicked out just about every night for the past 4 days.  I finally got Bruces Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook, and I read last night about the interpreter and perciever and how it relates to clicking out. So at least now I know why I was doing it and fix the problem.  Yesterday afternoon I clicked out within one minute. I can't believe I did that. I remember hearing the introduction to the exercise, and the next thing I know its over.  I think a big factor of my clicking out is that Ive been getting to bed too late. I need to start regulating my bed time!

This morning I woke up and listened to advanced focus ten while falling back to sleep. But only my body fell back to sleep. I got vibrations and floated out.  Some strange things happened that I will try to explain.  After a short while of exploring I went back into my body. Only I wasnt in my bed. I was in my old bed, at my old house, with my old sheets on me. But at the time, I didnt even realise I was not in the right bed. And I was listening to the same exercise too. So I relaxed again, and had another OBE.  I got out, and was somehow at a hotel on one of the top floors.  I flew out the window and saw one of my friends in the pool below. I went back into my body unintentionally soon after, but this time I was back in my real bed. In each of my OBEs, I was able to hear Roberts voice while he was talking.  Even when I ended up in my old house.  Crazy stuff.

hi there. the way I see obe, you will be viewing a lot of the contents of your household, another word for the contents of your entire consciousness, your life lived up to this now moment.
so none of its exactly crazy but needs connecting up or interpreted.
I see the hotel for example as this board, and yes, you've made friends here, unless its another environment you are involved with.
Dude, have you read Doc's post, how he too ended up going back to a childhood bedroom and completed his journey by returning to his chair?  sounds a lot like your adventure. notice how we do time travels this way?

my obes are trips into the future most often rather than the past. yet I have present time obes occassionally. I think thats because I spent 3 years going back into the past already, figuring things out and don't need to go back there.
what we do is a bit like that TV show quantum leap..you just wake up and you're somebody else.

love, alysia

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I have been reading Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook, and am about 3/4 through.  A lot of my questions about phasing have been answered so far, and the book has given me a vast amount of tips on doing it. So I decided to try an exercise from the book while listening to advanced focus 10.

I place intent to contact and retrieve an individual who is stuck. Then I place intent to meet with a helper.  I imagine a being of bright light coming to me, and I hug it. Immediately I get a very strong sensation of love. Very strong. I did not even intend to feel this way.  So I introduce myself and say, lets go help someone.  I see tall buildings, were flying down from the sky, its a street in a semi-large city.  We float down to a black woman on the corner of the sidewalk.  I indroduce myself, she told me her name but I forget it.  I ask what she is doing, and she said she was waiting for her friend to pick her up.  I asked how long she was waiting for, and I think she said something like .. a while.  So I said, well my friend can give you a ride to where you need to go. She agreed to come.  Just then the helper pulled up in a taxi-looking car.  The woman sat in the front, and I was in the back.  I think the helper was talking to her for a little. But I clicked out soon after getting into the car. Otherwise I would have written down the experience and probably remembered much more of it.  The next thing I remember is waking up with missing time.  The usual feeling I get after a click out.  I'm not sure if this was an official retreival, I have never done one before. But I'm going to try every night.  What I was the most amazed about with this experience was the feeling of love I recieved when I hugged the helper.

that was a genuine retrieval Dude, my perception. PUL is necessary energy within the retrieval situation as it precludes judgment and interpretation process.

also, as new retrievers we often embellish our true work with interpretations. what the true job of a retriever is in the approach. you are merely there to attain their attention and in this way distract them from their stuck habitat. the guide is not able to get their attention as efficiently because the guide is in another vibrational field.

so you got her attention and how easy was that? very easy to do retrievals. the guide took over and you didn't get to see where they went, but if PUL is in the experience u can be assured that she got to where she needed to be.

so congrats, you cared enough to do it, thats all that matters, this opens the door to other types of retrievals, each a little more different, or more challenging than the one that went before, as well as explorations of a different kind.

thank you again, alysia

Super Dude!  Sounds like a retrieval to me.  I especially liked the hugging the bright light and the love.  I need to keep moving on with Bruce's Guidebook.

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I attempted another retrieval last night while listening to advanced focus 10.  When I asked for a helper, I got an impression of 3 figures next to eachother a little in the distance.  I figured maybe this was a helper, so I asked to do a retrieval.  Suddenly I was in front of a store. At first I thought... I don't get it. But then I thought OOHHH maybe I should go inside. So we went inside, the helper behind me.  There was a woman, maybe age 50, all alone inside. I introduced myself, she said her name was Silvia.  I asked what she was doing there, and she said she was working.  I asked when she gets off, and she said whenever the person working the next shift comes in.  I got a feeling that this person hasnt come in in a long time.  And I was correct, she said she has been waiting a while to be relieved.  So I said, I have a friend I'd like you to meet. Just then the helper stood in front, he looked like a 30 year old good looking man wearing a suit.  He introduced himself, and they started talking. He said somthing like... What if I told you that you didn't have to work here anymore? they started walking out of the store, and I followed them. But I kind of lost track, and it was around 4:00 am at this time, so I went to sleep.

This morning I woke up and put on the advanced focus ten again. I did not have an OBE like I usually do, but I had a dream that I feel is worthy of sharing with everyone.  I can't remember ever having a dream in which I am not myself.  however, in this dream I was an old man. Probably 85.  I am at the doctors office with my wife.  They diagnosed me with Prostate cancer.  They said I did not have much longer to live.  My old wife started crying, and I hugged her.  However, I did not feel sad.  I did not feel any negative emotion at all actually.  Because I knew where I would be going, how amazing it was going to be, everything I had learned during my life on earth was soon going to be realised.  I am not sure whether I was a completely different person in this dream, just some old man, or if it was me in the far future.  Either way, there was nothing different about me except my age and appearance. So maybe it was me.

Hi dude. wow is all I can say. u r quite a leaper into these areas. a natural. thanks for revealing your journey here and sharing.
and another retrieval on top of your hemi sync program. I totally relate to what you're up to as went the same route during the last 6 years.
the above retrieval also appears as genuine to my perception and it occurred to me for what its worth, the lady seemed to have been taken out suddenly by one of those common hit and run convenience store shootings..she wasn't prepared in other words, to enter the next world and so she existed in the moments just before the shooting. now shes not there. pat yourself on the back, you did good. we are in this together. all of us.
these retrievals will also help you deal with relationships in C1. you'll see the changes in yourself as time goes on because you will be seeing the big picture much easier.
a way to grasp having seen the old man is to consider this man a part of your disc, a life where you wore another body, like it was a suit of clothes. yet seeing this is a thing needs time to assimilate the full implications of how a merged consciousness can embrace all of humanity as itself while remaining the individual personality.

this can be detrimental to a self serving ego, of which we all have an ego, so thats why I said it takes time to assimilate the info and realize from the moment we are born, we are also dying. you are getting prepared for your greater self realization and I am proud to know you!  be prepared to get hit on all sides if you express what u r learning, I think u can handle it or you wouldnt be here now.

I knew you were old Dude.... :)

love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 23

I decided to try another retrieval with advanced focus 10.  I called for a helper, and saw a large black bird, maybe a crow, fly to my bedside.  I had no doubt this was a helper of some kind.  It started to fly out of my house, so I followed right behind it.  We went up really high, then suddenly we are in front of a house on a street that gives me an impression of New York.  I go up the stairs and enter the house with the crow right behind me.  The house looks empty.  I go up the stairs, and in the first bedroom I come to there is an old woman, probably 80, laying in bed. I introduced myself and was talking to her for a little bit. From the information I got from her, she was disabled in some way or sick, and needed some kind of an assistant or helper to get her out of bed and possibly bring her what she needed in bed.  She had been waiting for this person, or anyone, to come to assist her but noone has come in a long time.  She thought she was still alive and did not know she was no longer bed ridden in a physical body.  Just then I introduced the helper to her, there was no more crow anymore, but a man about 30 years old dressed nicely.  He told her she could get out of bed if she wanted, and told her to just try. She did it.  They talked a little more, then they both floated almost a foot off the ground and were drifting away.  I followed them, and we all arrived at a place that I immediately realised was the park.  This is the most detailed I have seen the park so far.  It was a very pleasant place.  

This lady with dark hair came up to me and asked if there was somthing I wanted to do or someone I wanted to see. I asked to see my deceased great grandmother, for she is the only close family member of mine to have died in my lifetime so far.  She appeared to me, but looked like she was 30 or so.  I was talking to her for a little bit, and asked if she could give me somthing to verify to my mother that I made contact with her.  I saw a image of a chair, and possibly somthing under the cushion like money or somthing.  So I asked my mom today if this had any meaning to her, and all she said was... well she used to sit in her chair a lot.  But then I thought.. maybe what I saw wasn't for my mom.  Just then an old, but a very faint memory came to mind, of my cousin finding a dollar or two under her cushion.  So I dont know if this was real or not.

This morning I think I may have had an OBE.  I say maybe because I only have a faint impression of actually leaving my body.  My memories of full consiousness begin when I arrive at a muesum-looking place.  I was floating all around looking at the place.  There was a pencil and some paper on a table, so I drew what the inside of the place looked like for some reason. I think I did that so I could remember the place better.  I have some more faint memories of floating around the place.  Thats about it.

Hi Dude, that was good to read. your story reminds me of when I spoke with my nanny while fully conscious. doing it while wide awake is a little different than blinking out to go to the dream location.  its different because your awareness keeps getting drawn to the fact of your body sitting there. body awareness takes a lot of consciousness I guess...a twitch here, an itch there, but I had doubts. doubts are normal. then nanny and I were saying goodbye when she told me about a brooch mother was supposed to have given me. this was the surprise area Bruce talks about which gives verification its real.
reminds me of the chair and the money under it, where your grandmother may have stored her money on some occassion.
it was verification for me personally as jewelry means nothing to me, but I find out nanny really was into her jewelry. I find this out later, as we weren't communicating while she was alive. I only remember her once or twice.  so after my contact, where I was full of doubts, I went to mother downstairs and asked her what about this black brooch nanny wanted to give me?  mother got a guilty look and said, oh I'm sorry, she did want you to have it and I can't remember where it is now.
I think she gave it to my sister ;)

well dreamland can be a lot like phasing or making contact with spirit.
that was a neat retrieval..poor lady, she thought she couldn't walk. this looks like the same guide you had last time, maybe he's sticking with you?

see if he'll give you a name. they usually refuse to give their name, I don't think they have names on the other side. :-?

love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 24

Last night I did the same routine as the past few nights. I called for a helper, and was waiting for maybe 30 seconds. Suddenly I see a chair with its back facing me, and there is someone in this chair. Suddenly the person in the chair stands up and turns around to face me, and walks over to me. He looked like a mix between a really tall elf and a court jesture.  He was wearing green, a goofy hat, and had facal features like an elf, and was very tall.  I asked him his name, and I got an impression of something starting with an E, but then he said I dont have a name.  So we lifted up, and the next thing I know I am looking at the side of a huuuge clif, probably 1 mile high, and at the very top of this clif is a house residing on the edge.  We go up and through the door.  The house was empty, and I got an impression of sadness. I was drawn to the person in the house, and even before I saw this person I knew that she was crying.  It just came to me. I went into the room and a lady was in her bed crying and crying.  I asked her what was wrong, and I got an impression of her husband and children.  I am not sure what to make of this. One thought was that maybe they died while she was alive and she felt responsible in some way. Or another thought was that maybe she had died and left them and felt bad about it. Or maybe she died but did not know she was dead, and her husband and children never returned home because she was no longer home but did not know it.  At this point I became distracted with other thoughts, somthing happened earlier that night and I started thinking about it, I got too distracted so I just cleared my mind and fell asleep.  Maybe Ill revisit tonight.

I hope you do revisit.  I look forward to seeing if that happens. Sounds like you might be moving on to more difficult retrievals.  But I note also you're in good communication with the helper figure.  That should help.

yes I too hope you revisit Dude. sometimes this happens, that you are needing time then an aha moment comes and you know what to do.

the jester; I get the feeling its the same guide as before appearing differently. I also get the feeling he wants you to give him a name. that way, you are in charge of the relationship, not him.
the lady could be stuck in her beliefs. I would suggest to re unite her with her children and husband and then ask a guide to conduct her there. see if they allow you to go with them to the reception area on focus 27 and watch what happens. sometimes they will allow it, sometimes not. speaking personally. you seem to be a natural at this. thanks again for your work.

love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 25

I attempted to revisit the crying lady on the cliff top.  While getting into a deep focus ten, i realised my whole body was vibrating with energy.  I would get these natural vibrations sometimes while doing Gateway exercises, but these were much faster and stronger.  I did not even do any energy work, which is somthing I usualy have to do to get these vibes.  

My Jester-like friend came to me once again.  He knew we were going back, I think, because I did not even say anything, suddenly were on the porch of the house.  I went in, and the lady was not crying anymore, but was still sad.  This is where my fully lucid memory ends.  Sometimes when I click out, I come back with the faintest impression that I went on some kind of journey, or I was communicating or learning from someone.  This is the feeling I got when I became consious again.  So I don't know what became of the sad lady. Ill find out tonight I suppose.

Nice post, Dude.

Sometimes, it is important to state intent that you will remember the entire experience.  You can try this with dreams, almost anytime as you are falling asleep, and it works most of the time.  

Some say "I don't dream."   Ha!  They do, they just don't bring it into waking consciousness.  

State your intentions calmly and clearly before your retrieval including your remembering.  I bet you won't click out as much.


Matthew

Thanks for the tip Doc... that is somthing that I definatly often forget to do.  Next time I see Mr. Jester Ill have him smack me across the head to knock some sense into me.

Great that you got back there, Dude.

thanks again Dude for that rundown. it looks like progress from my side. blinking out is discussed a little in Bruce's books. I've concluded we can only remember so much until it would be too much..

I had a retrieval couple years back which I blinked out on right when all the action was taking place..its perplexing to blink out but I had such strong sensations that it was successful so I felt no need whatsoever to return.
I remember talking to the "guy in the shower." about how he needed to move on and he was in the shower because he wanted to "come clean."

I felt some electric sensations while we talked and I felt something like an expansion from me to him, it was blinding in a way, so blinking out was natural due to acting as a conduit.
all I remember after my little speech to him was his face was surprised, even shocked, that he was moving somewhere...it was a big change for him because he'd been in this lifestyle so long. he didn't seem to have a choice but to go with me so I pondered on this one a great deal, I didn't want to create harm what I was doing.
what happened did happen thru me..something whipped thru me to him, so that was what I meant when acting as a conduit in retrievals.

Bruce mentioned a lady who was a sensitive and frightened of all the spirit activity in her home. she called him and asked for help. He told her to imagine a portal of light in her house, then when these others were attracted to the way she could perceive them there, she could merely point to the light portal and these would simply follow the light and find their way, essentially, through her consciousness.

pretty neat way to retrieve huh?

JOURNAL ENTRY 26

The jester man appeared in my mind as I called for a helper.  We lifted off, and immediatly I saw an image of the huge cliff, then we were on the porch.  Before I even went inside, I could tell that I did not feel as if anyone was inside.  I walked in the house, and it did not have the surreal feel it did the previous times. I went into the room, and the lady was gone. I wasnt sure if my senses were playing tricks on me. I asked the jester, is she here anymore? He told me no.  I sensed that she had moved on, I'm guessing it happened last night after I clicked out.  I decided to end the journeys for the night and just layed in my mind listening to a later track in the series. I think Wave 5.1. I don't know anything about the track, what level it is suppost to get you to, or anything because there were no verbal guidance, only sounds.  I got deeper than I would have with the early tracks, and it felt like i was doing backflips through space.  It was very disorienting.  Im going to check the manuel that came with the tracks to see what that one was.

Thanks for sharing your journal Dude, it's a great read.
Makes me want to keep on trying.

Thanks,
Clive.

Yes, very good read OoBDude. Very similar to my journeys (I only was a bit slowlier lol). So you see it's not that difficult to go back to a location once you get the trick. Maybe, if you like to try to have another look at The Park/Focus 27, think of your impression of it, and the helper who was there, the dark haired lady.

About this last hemisync piece, backflipping through space and disorienting, I had that when I listened the first time to a focus 12 playback.

Spooky

hello Dude and Spooky and RobC...I never did back flips, lol, in space, but I did some treadmill walking, like pacing..it was so I wouldn't run. I was letting someone catch up to me. but mostly I do glide. just like a ghost..lol..Dude, backflips are good though! most people would give their eye teeth to be able to have any sense of movement out there.

returning to the scene of the retrieval...my first retrieval in the 80's I wasn't sure it was successful because I didn't know what a retrieval was in order to ascertain its success or failure. actually, I didn't have faith in my ability either. so I expressed my doubts to Bruce here on the boad. He said to go back in my mind to the memory. Once I did that I noticed the ambulance drivers, the guides were dressed in this apparel for the retrievee's benefit. It was his scene. I had wondered at the time who all the helpers were, there were half a dozen milling around, just waiting to do their job. they wanted to take the boy away from the alley but they had to wait for me to get his attention and I was confused..I tried to make my voice soothing to him and it worked because eventually the helpers put him on the stretcher. I was also sending him PUL.
I think it was the sound of his voice crying for help which made this retrieval successful.

it was the most gut wrenching scream I've ever heard this side of hell. some of us are vision oriented, some of us sound oriented, some of us both, in this case I was riding his grief sound. so my guide was so unemotional..do something she said, do something!
she stood and watched. I don't think he can see me, I replied. help me. no, she said, you have to do it by yoursef. can you? so I just started talking a blue streak, attempting to make a soothing sound. then his eyes got really big as he stared at me and I thought, it seems he can see and hear me now. thats when the helpers rushed in to do their job and his attention moved to them.

but still, in the morning (obe retrieval during the night)  you wake up and say, what was that about? I hadn't read anything about retrievals except for Monroe's 2nd book. and the curl attached to him that blinked out to it's bst. I knew it was real, but I still had doubts that I could comfort somebody in that much stress. the boy was stuck in his death scene. I had no thought paradigm for this kind of circumstance.

so I had to return to make sure it was successful and if it wasn't, then I might have to ask again what to do. thats when I saw and remembered he had been taken away,
just like Dude saw the empty house on the cliff, I saw the empty alley.

but I've always been grateful Bruce told me to go back, I didn't know I could go back and get further confirmation I had been successful.
You got me thinking about retrievals again Dude..I think they're important because you have to come from the heart intelligence when doing them. I think we are mostly a mental society so a little heart now and then is good.

you did good Dude, sometimes the good feelings don't come until later where you are certain you made a difference for this one. you just have to trust you did your best.

The Park on Focus 27. what I saw there was the hall of knowledge. that place is huge. cotains books since time began up to the ceiling. has caretakers.  theres a stone bench I met my exploration partner there. a winding pathway of pavement to walk on. theres many levels and steps and more levels to the doors. the doors must be 20' high.

everytime an author agrees to write a book, it gets written in the astral first and put on the shelf there for others to read, before it gets published in this world.

the reception office I have seen as a small room off a hallway, many reception rooms, always someone sitting there to receive who is brought in and assisted to their placement or family. and theres lots of grass and green outside, no cars. not around the hall of knowledge/library. no noise either.

love, alysia

Backflips through space.  Sounds fun except that I just had lunch and I’m not sure my stomach could handle it.  It’s amazing to me that you can go back to the same place and that, as Spooky indicates, it’s not that difficult once you get the trick.  What’s great, though, it to learn that the lady moved on.  Congratulations!

Hi Alysia - guess I hadn't refreshed my browser when I made my previous post.  Glad there are folks like you and Spooky and Doc and others that have experience and can share their insights with Dude.  For myself, I'm just glad his posting his journal online.  Thanks Dude! -Rob

yes thank you Rob, I hope Dude doesn't mind I hog tied his journal. he just gets me thinking about retrievals a lot. just let me know if I should keep my noise down Dude and be glad to do that. love, alysia

Alysia, I love hearing about your retrievals, make all the noise you want!  I learn alot from what you are posting, as do many otheres, and the more feedback I get, the better.  This topic only has 7 pages so far...  We need to get it up to 100!  

ROLF! out of body dude, you are POPULAR!  I think its because so seldom we get  this kind of thing here where its ongoing.

so if u don't mind, I'm still learning too. love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 27

This morning I woke up after a decent amount of sleep and put on advanced focus 10.  This is becoming a weekend ritual for me  :D  So I decided to try a new technique Ive read about for a while now, but never actually put to use.  I said to myself, body asleep, mind awake, over and over.  But when I would say body asleep, I would imagine a light turn on throughout my body, my body would light up.  Then when I said mind awake, my body light would switch off and I would imagine my mind lighting up instead.  Around my brain area it would light.  So I was switching these two lights on and off while repeating body asleep mind awake. I picked up on an image of this park type place. Not THE park, but it reminded me of a park in New York.  So I am seeing this place from ground level.  Suddenly I am seeing it from a few hundred feet in the air.  So I decide to start falling down.  The more I fall, the more I realise I am actually here, at this place.  I feel the falling sensation very strongly, it feels awsome and fun.  I begin also spinning about 360 degrees every 50 or so feet.  I reach the bottom, and begin to fly forward, away from the park.  Im flying through the streets, about at roof level, sometimes swooping in much lower inbetween people walking(Some of these people I recognize from a dream I had earlier! Most of them, actually).  I realise that I am flying down a very familiar street, one on which I used to live and basically grew up on.  The way the city is set up, the park would have been where the beach is in real life, and as soon as I left the park I was on my way down the street to my old block.  So Im just flying down, swooping all around, ocassionaly grabbing onto an electrical wire(ouch) and swinging like spider man.  I recall looking at my hands, and they looked like my hands in real life.  Usually when I look at my hands in an OBE, they have a more translucent quality, a more energetic look to them, so this makes me think this was more of a lucid dream, rather than an OBE.  Of course this would fall under the category Wake Induced Lucid Dream, which is where you enter the hypnowhateveritscalled state, and basicaly jump into the images you see.  So nothing too special happened on my little journey, just some funtastic aireal feats.  

hey! it was TOO special!

you're just being humble I suspect :)  oh boy, now you got me started comparing my experience to yours again..but u said u didn't mind. and btw, as your grandmother I must admonish you to write your journal on your own puter for safekeeping. years from now, you may need your notes.

wow, thats 27 so far. you call yours Wake Induced Lucid Dream, I call a similar happenstance from C1 a dual consciousness situation. Were you aware of your physical body, like a split consciousness? like being in two places at the same time or where you completely unconscious that you had a physical body?

the word you were searching is hynogogic. maybe thats where you were too.
for me that state is where I am before coffee, for about 30 minutes. seems like not all of me is back from sleep yet. in that state I can "hear" board conversations before I go to the board, or I'll hear personal messages from disc members to me, or from guides, helpers or even my higher self which knows everything, lol.

frequently out there the sense of direction is reversed. perhaps because the astral realm is a mirror, and when looking into a mirror everything is reversed.

btw, better not form any opinions yet that this is a lucid dream, as the lucid dream can generate an obe and also the obe can swing into a lucid dream, it just depends on your intentions that you set and other factors of how we can blink in and out of consciousness out there.

jumping into images, yes, your awareness becomes a part of the image. thats how I did it too. I jumped into the images as the star player on a couple of occassions but first I had an observer self who asked me if I wanted to be in the movie. sure, why not? lol.

no two experiences will be the same. expectations are useless, so one time your hands are translucent, another time they seem solid.

heres a brief rundown I did in the 80's. I relaxed in a chair for 20 minutes then popped out of the forehead area (theres a chakra portal there) I was just aware of energy coming from the forehead. I found myself focused on this energy and a screen opened up seemed inside my head and my body form was on the movie screen, still aware of my physical body throughout, so called it dual consciousness.
I had a destination in the world so I started moving..although I could always see my physical body sitting in the chair when I wanted to, like looking down at something large, while this awareness was smaller, had an overview.  I walked down then flew down, a country road I didn't recognize, I saw trees whizzing by me, I was looking for the ocean, it was taking too long even though I was flying..looked down at my arms and legs and they started to disappear which scared me...next I was a roundish orb, like a ball of light, I kept thinking, this is totally unexpected, I NEED my arms and legs!
some intuition or guide said I could travel faster as an orb so I stopped arguing, after all, I didn't want to blow this experience by not believing this could happen. I'd been trying too long and too hard to blink back now.

then like you, I did something fun. I found the rocks and spontaneously decided to bounce off the rocks as this bouncey orb thing. boing!!! boing!! ha! hadn't had that much fun in years.... :)  I had some guidance which told me it wasn't the proper time to go scare my brother..he wouldn't  know why I was there. so I played on the beach.

I didn't do flying tricks, I stayed low to the ground and glided a little lilting fashion, a little bouncy thing...never repeated the same experience, but one is fine!

you're doing good since if you get a feeling of fun, and maybe a feeling of freedom too, those are indications of success in what you're learning. truly moments to treasure of our intinsic free spirits who are not trapped in our bodies as we tend to think.
pat yourself on the back, because believe me, nobody else will! well, take that back, some will understand because they had a similar circumstance.

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JOURNAL ENTRY 28

I put on a track from the set Prospecting.. Wave 6 part 3.  This set has different sounds combined with the hemisync, but with no verbal guidance.  So I'm chilling in focus 10, when I realise I am in my grandmothers house.  In her front room.  Instead of exploring as I was, I instead focused my awareness away from the body I was in in my grandmothers house.  I floated out of the window and outside.  I could sense that there was dew in the air, the sun was shining through a little patch of space in the heavy clouds.  I flew all around outside, then flew in through the window of my grandmothers house, and went back out another window.  I spent another few minutes just flying around, going to different places that were slightly different from real life, filled with joy and excitement.  

You're free now. go with the joy and excitement. it will take u where you want to go. love, alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 29

Last night I decided to try out the last series of the Experience, Wave 7.  All I can say is WOW.

Wave 7 is actually instructed by Roberts Wife.  The first part was to get you better aquainted with your energy body.  The second part was the lift out procedure.  I skipped over the first and went right to the second part.  I was pretty deep in focus 10, and then went to focus 12.  The instructions were then to feel your energy vibrations increase, and then to feel like you were floating up.  I was suprised when I actually felt myself getting lighter and lighter, as if any second I would float up and out of my body.  I knew I would be out in moments.  And then as just my luck has it, my cat who was next to me starts moving around and scratching herself and bumping into me, which totally disrupts any progress I had made.  So I threw the cat out(nicely).

I skipped the track to part 5.  It said it was the gateway to focus 21.  I got excited, because I never did a focus 21 exercise yet on gateway, and was looking forward to it.  After reaching focus 12, she began to count up to 21.  At the count of 13, my consiousness felt much different.  It was as if I was laying in a black void which spanned out into infinity.  As the counting continued very slowly, I felt as if I was moving.  I could not tell what direction, or even if it was in a direction, perhaps I was moving dimensionally.  And the more the counting continued, the less my awareness focused on my body.  It was as if I did not have a body any more, my consoiusness was simply at this place that was unlike anything similar to focus 10 or 12.  I was seeing different lights, and different shapes in the blackness.  At the count of 21, I was in a totally new place.  It is hard to describe it, but it was definately amazing.  It must have been around 5 am at this point, and I was having holding my concentration on anything but sleep.  So I snapped out of it and passed out, I'm definatly revisiting this tonight however.

well I'm definetely hoping to see if anything results from reaching focus 21 so I hope you come back. :)  I've never used tapes, too cheap to buy them and too overwhelmed with my own personal studies so I appreciate your journal.

I'm posting up Monroe's explanation of focus levels for newbies and also his philosophy which helps to explain what we've been doing on the other threads to get to understanding.  and maybe if u check out focus 21 again, tell me if you see any kind of bridge or cross over point? thanks...

Focus Levels:

Focus 10 -- Mind awake, body asleep

Focus 12 -- Expanded mind

Focus 15 -- No time, view past lives, future lives

Focus 21 -- The bridge to the afterlife

Focus 22 -- place where Alzheimers patients,
drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. hang


Focus 23 -- Afterlife BSTs where souls get stuck

Focus 24, 25, 26 -- Belief system territories, a continuence of bst's, as in many mansions type of thing.

Focus 27 -- The Park, TMI There, Reception
Center, hall of knowlege, akashic records, hospitals for process of healing from belief you are still sick, etc.
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The below statement I learned from Elias, a channelled entity.

your attention is a function of your energy being-creative

your mind simply responds to your attention
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There is no beginning, there is no end,
  There is only change.
There is no teacher, there is no student,
  There is only remembering.
There is no good, there is no evil,
  There is only expression.
There is no union, there is no sharing,
  There is only one.
There is no joy, there is no sadness,
  There is only love.
There is no greater, there is no lesser,
  There is only balance.
There is no statis, there is no entropy,
  There is only motion.
There is no wakefulness, there is no sleep,
  There is only being.
There is no limit, there is no chance,
  There is only a plan.

JOURNAL ENTRY 30

I woke up this morning, and decided to do some exercises.  I layed back with my hands behind my head for a moment to relax before putting on my ipod.  I began feeling gentle vibrations, and started to float up and out of my body without even really meaning to, I didnt even get a chance to put on my ipod yet.  I had a clear view of my room as I was lifting up.  However, once I passed through my ceiling, my vision went blank, I could not see a thing.  I demanded for clarity, but it was not working too well.  So I spun around a few times.  When I stopped, I saw a dim light in the distance.  So I flew over to this light, and possibly even went through it.  The next thing I know, I'm in a dimly lighted space, face to face with a dark blob, a mass of energy, and I was pretty sure it was a conscious being.  It was not very appealing to me, so I left and was back in my body.

As I was opening my eyes, I noticed somthing strange.  You know when you squint and can see your eyelashes?  Well in my eyelashes, it appeared as if there were different sized spiders in them.  I knew they were not real, but I was curious as to why I was seeing them.  I thought it may have had somthing to do with the being I just saw, but I dont know.

So I floated up once again with minimal vibrations, but once again my clairty was quite terrible.  I decided I needed to raise my vibrations.

Back in my body, I saw my two spheres of energy, one above my head and the other below my feet.  They filled me with energy, and I was vibrating quite nicely at this point.  I lifted up, and decided to visit my friend.  I focused on his ident for a few moments, and then began moving at great speeds.  I did not have vision while I was moving, but I knew it was at incredible speeds.  I suddenly stopped, and was in a classroom.  The first person I saw was my friend, sitting at a desk.  THere were many other people in this classroom too.  I figured he was really in this class right now, in real life.  I decided to stirr things up a bit, so I slid a desk half way across the room.  The whole class looked at it(or maybe even at me) with wide eyes, as if saying...what is going on?!  I then decided to write my friend a note, so I grabbed his pencil and on his paper I wrote... its vince.  The next moment I was back in my body.

At first I thought it was a real physical classroom I was in, but I realised my friend goes to the same college as I do, and we are on break right now.  So Im thinking that perhaps he was sleeping at the time, and was in this classroom in a different reality, probably unconsciously.  I do believe that we sometimes to go classes to learn things in our sleep, and I think I may have traveled to his dream class.

It amazes me that you could lift off before you got the ipod hooked up to your ears.  Do you get the effect of an exercise before you do it very often?  Interesting about the class.  I wonder what the subject was.  When did you realize you interrupted a real class?  When you moved the desk, when everyone looked at you or when you ended up back in your body?  I also hope you'll ask your friend what he was doing at the time.

HI Dude I can verify there are many classroom settings and lecture halls I've attended now and again out there. a classroom can symbolize that there is a subject your friend seeks to learn about right now. or it can be a more real classroom.

I can share one time I find interesting. couple years back I walked into a classroom and I wanted to gain the attention of the teacher whom I needed to learn something from, but I was feeling a little withdrawn so I took a seat, not the front row, but I got brave and did the 2nd row.  in real life I used to sit in the back.
this was a bookwriting class and I had come with an attitude of "I don't need to come here."  I have notes on this somewhere. but what I remember best is arguing with the teacher and him seeming to be amused with me. matter of fact I have to go read my notes again because there were two points he brought up. it did help me with book writing. I'll post them when I find them. thats very good you are getting to be an adept so fast. alysia

JOURNAL ENTRY 31

Last night I listened to Wave 7, part 4, which assists you into meeting and working with guides.  Some things happened that I find it hard to explain.  Ok here we go..

I began listening at about 3:15 am.  I clicked out of the experience probably 10 minutes into it.  I figure this because I don't recall hearing any of the exercise dialouge after a certain point, I barely got passed getting into focus 12 before the clickout.  So I regain consiousness with a strange feeling.. a feeling like I was just with someone or somthing, I felt like I was just brought back by whoever this was.  Here comes the part that I don't get, the part that scares me a little.  This particular exercise was about 35 minutes long.  I regained consciousness at the very end of this exercise.  So I looked at the clock, and it is almost 5 am.  At the time I did not make the connection that there was about an hour of missing time, of almost impossibly missed time.  Just thinking about this gives me butterflies.  But I have to accept it, for it happened.

So I'm dreaming, and I gain a little bit of lucidity.  I am thinking some things, and it seems like my thoughts are distorted and skewed out by some outside force.  After a few moments of this weird feeling, I feel an energetic presence touch my arm and heard a noise, I forget what the noise was but that combined with the touch make me wake up.  It gets weirder.  It was about 9 am when I woke up.  I look out my window, and I see somthing and I didnt, and still dont, know what it was.  It was a little cloudy outside, but at this one point in the sky there were a lot of clouds, but there was an opening in the center of the clouds, and there was a light, not extremely bright but not too dim either, and this light was shining through the clouds.  But it was not the sun, for I could see the sun, and it definately was not the moon.  It was a separate light, a sphere of light I could see through the opening in the clouds.  I was a little freaked out, but also a little bit amazed.

This morning and even right now, for no reason at all I have had a couple of moments where I would feel the sense of doom.  Like being very scared, of something I consciously am not aware of.  After reviewing the events, I don't know what to think.  Part of me says, whatever happened, it probably had something to do with guides that I may have met unconsciously during my click out or somthing related to that.  But theres this other part of me that says, how could I have this missing time, this feeling that I am not conscious of its source, and these strange happenings all in one night.  Some part of me believes it may have something to do with somthing nonhuman.  Perhaps ETs.  The truth is, I have been unimaginably afraid of aliens every since I was a little kid, for absolutely no reason at all.  Just looking at a picture of them would cause the most intense fear ever, and I cant not overlook the fact that many people who have had experiences with abductions and such have had a fear as intense as mine at the thought of these beings, even though they do not did not know why at the time.  I cant over look the fact that growing up, I have always had a feeling of a presense nearby before falling asleep.  I cant overlook the fact that on a few occasions I have gained consiousness to find myself looking up with numerous beings around my bed, the same beings that have caused such fear in my heart for reasons I do not know.  And I also cant over look the fact that I am becoming a new person, most of my old fears have been dissolved, and the ones that are not totally gone are in the process, are getting smaller and smaller as the days go by.  I believe I have been seeking contact with these beings, unconsciously, and even a little bit consciously.  My interest in them has increased 10 fold over the past month or so, and the fear I have for them is nowhere near as strong as it used to be.  Part of me thinks that there is a chance I have had ET experiences  more than once, and the more open I become and the more I accept it, the more I will be conscious of them.  

But who knows, maybe Im just loosing my mind!


EDIT: A few minutes after typing this entry, I remembered a dream I had last night that was quite disturbing.  I woke up in my bed, and had a huge, red bump on the side of my neck with a decent sized hole in it, with some gooey stuff oozing out.  Just as I saw this thing on my neck, a memory came to me of an alien sticking me with some kind of long needle.  I knew that I had been abducted.  I dont remember anything that happened after this.  

So on top of all these weird experiences that happened in reality, not in a dream, I have a dream that connects the experiences directly to what I think may have happened.  Now realise I came to the (possible) conclusion about the aliens today, right before I wrote my journal entry.  I had not been consumed with the idea of aliens last night, even after I noticed the missing time I did not think anything of it, these conclusions are strictly based on the experiences I had.  I know somthing is going on.  I have to figure it out.

You’re not loosing your mind.  You’re making progress.  Your old fears are dissolving and shrinking.  That’s usually a longer on-going process.  It’s remarkable that you’ve gone so far and so fast.  

As for your clicking out, I imagine the loss of time can be jolting.  It’s happened to me with one of the hemi-synch tapes (don’t have the Gateway series).  Didn’t shake me though – I was too amazed that it happened to be shaken.  My assumption is that something definitely is going on when that happens but we just aren’t able to register it in our physically oriented conscious minds.

In your post you mentioned Waves and Parts.  I’ve been wanting to ask you what a Wave is – does it correlate to the focus levels or does it just represent different aspects of the Gateway program?

I appreciate your journal.  I really need to sign up for the program at TMI.  I think there are too many distractions for me to use the CD series.  You amaze me by being able to go through the different parts when the phone’s ringing or people are talking and the other distractions you’ve mentioned.  Keep it up.  Thanks. - Rob

ditto for me what Rob said.  I'm amazed you've stuck with it this long. and look at the size of your journal here!

couple of things I note: from reading Bruce's books he tells of greeting others "out there" directing them to something, to somewhere. he notices theres is a blinking out process. some of his participants seem more awake than others that they are there. others kind of walk on by oblivious to their surroundings. these may be like our astral bodies, which are said to float around during our sleep while some of us are awake enough to attend a classroom, etc.
blinking out seems to be rather commonplace is what I'm trying to say. for think about it, that in order to not blink out, you would have to set an intention that you are going to maintain wafefulness throughout.

many people are working on this very thing. having lucidity within a dream is similar. we are given all kinds of exercises to awaken within a dream. I think it has something to do with the electrical impulses within the brain...and that the interpretative fuction of the mind is perceiving something it does not know how to translate and send back to the brain, the holding center of consciousness in C1.
therefore blinking out is natural. you have no data base built in. not yet.
yet you recall the needle in the neck. thats a symbol of what really happened.
the symbol is the brains way of attempting to interpret what really happened, it offers you the nearest symbolic reference point.

If you read William Gammil's account, in the book The Gathering, I think it would set any fears you have to rest concerning aliens.
You may be working with them, but not fully aware yet.  

Don't think that I was suprised at the fact that I clicked out... I click out all the time, probably twice a week.  The thing that doesn't make sense is that when I regained consciousness, the ipod was thirty minutes into the track.  However, almost two hours went by in real time.  It is as if time froze for an hour and a half, for both my time and the ipod's time.  Just think about it... imagine going to sleep at 3 am wearing a watch alarm and you set it to go off in half an hour.  The watch alarm goes off, but when you look at the time on another clock it is 5 am.  Thats an hour and a half that is totally unaccounted for, as if your time and the watches time was frozen.  This is what the mystery is.  How can a half an hour track take 2 hours to play? It cant. My ipod isnt defective, and neither are the tracks.  Something caused time to freeze for an hour and a half.  That I am sure of.

maybe...your astral body somehow manipulated the Ipod? so that it would bring to your attention that you're actually working this area?  
I can't think of a technical reason as the tape should have stopped after 30 minutes right?

I have heard of people being able to effect electronics, and the spirits have turned light switches on and off..
my sister had a ghost that turned the TV on all the time..these are electrical powers being manipulated to catch your attention.  I would assume you also have guides around who are not revealing their presence until the right time.
I just assume that because I've had guides the same, but they work with me thru the dream state as thats where I expect to get help with questions.

I've heard of folks having a type of magnetism in their energy field, they can manipulate all kinds of phenonmenon. watches won't work on them.

one time there was a show on the radio, Art Bell or the other guy, George. they asked all the audience to get out their broken watches. they were going to get them running again. a very large percentage called in that it worked now.

the power of the collective mind. in your case, its a little different, like the Ipod rewound itself? started over?

ooooouuuuuu! :)  love it.

That is a good assumption.  However, it is very hard to come to terms with the fact that I somehow made it "pause" myself.  But this may very well be the case.  Another thing I was thinking was that possibly I was somehow brought to a place outside of time, and upon returning this seemingly impossible situation occured.  I would love to know the truth.

When I read: "I regained consciousness at the very end of this exercise," I just assumed that you regained consciousness "after" the end of the exercise.  I didn't appreciate that the i-pod was still going.  When I read you were a little scared, I should have gone back and read what you wrote more carefully.  Given some of your experiences and dreams, the term "scared" really doesn't apply to you very well.

Wow!  That is one amazing experience.  Some possible explanations come to mind but none of them seem to account for what happened very well.  As usual, I'm looking forward to what happens next.

Rob

Update on the aliens:(lol)

I had a dream last night in which an alien inserted an object into my skull.  My left eyeball was taken out (ouch!), and my viewpoint was from the inside of my head.  I saw an alien reach in and stick somthing in my head.  Also, I shared my experience with members of an alien abduction forum, and they seem to believe that I may have had a genuine abduction experience.  But I am not sure about all of that.  I'm not drawing any conclusions yet, just taking it a day at a time until I have enough clues to formulate a logical explanation.  I just hope I dont wake up with an anal probe!

I Am Dude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:40pm:

Update on the aliens:(lol) I had a dream last night in which an alien inserted an object into my skull.  My left eyeball was taken out (ouch!), and my viewpoint was from the inside of my head.  I saw an alien reach in and stick somthing in my head.  Also, I shared my experience with members of an alien abduction forum, and they seem to believe that I may have had a genuine abduction experience.  But I am not sure about all of that.  I'm not drawing any conclusions yet, just taking it a day at a time until I have enough clues to formulate a logical explanation.  I just hope I dont wake up with an anal probe!

;D

 Anyways...  OOBD, have you read any of Rosalind McKnight's stuff?  I highly recommend both her books, but especially her first one called Cosmic Journeys which talks quite a bit about E.T.'s.  

  She was shown the probable futures for humanity from her time up until the year 3000 or so, and she saw that at around 2500 or so, it was probable that we would get into a brief war with some not so positive E.T.'s.  

  In other parts of the book, her guides talk to her about these not so positive E.T.'s, and basically they relayed that they don't have the best of intentions, and they, like the much more spiritually advanced ones, have been abducting and implanting folks for centuries.  The friendly and very positive E.T.'s however keep a close watch on them and their activities, and they will use the implants from these not so friendly E.T's for positive purposes of communication.  

 I've had dreams about both groups, as has my life partner too.  

  Anyways, from what her and her guides indicated, this war of 2500 is not going to be that big of a deal, if it happens, since we will have help and similar technology as the not so light filled E.T.'s.  

  I was kind of hoping that Bruce's work with the E.T's who had no heart awareness (possibly the "grays"?), might change this probable future, but i have no idea, haven't been given info on this.   What i do know, is that there are still some rather dark beings out there who are attracted to humans and to Earth because of the Law of like attracts and begets like.    

  Nothing to worry about though, i don't think, we are ultimately protected i believe and positivity/love energy is all we need to be safe anyways, cause ultimately nothing can harm the real us,  at least imo.

 Anyways, if you haven't already read her books, i think you would quite enjoy them.   Much of the material in Rosie's first book comes directly from the explorer sessions at the Monroe Institute (not called that then) with Bob Monroe.     In fact, part of my tag here is taken from this book, cause Rosie has a guide whom Bob and her called "Ah So", since he gently refused to give out a name (not wanting to tie himself in too much with the Earth again), but he had a slight asian accent so they just decided to call him Ah So ;D.  

 All the best

I am reposting this on my Gateway Experience thread because I feel it is an important step in my spiritual progress, and do not want it to get lost at the bottom of the forum pages.  

This morning I became lucid during a dream, so I decided to have an OBE instead.  This led to a series of OBEs, Id say I had at least three in a row.  But the last one was somthing special, and I'd like to share it with everyone and see what you guys think.

I was still in my body, but my energy body was very loose.  I called out for a guide, and felt a small hand in mine.  It pulled me up and out, and I was facing a small boy, probably about eight years old.  I just knew that this boy was special to me, so close to me, I could not resist giving him a big hug.  I was talking to him, and although I can not remember the exact dialogue, I know what was discussed and what answers I got.  After communication, I discovered that this boy was actually me, when I was his age.  Somthing happened that caused him separate from me.  I cannot remember the incident or incidents that caused this, I just know that he was me, he is me, a part of me that was previously lost.  He then presented me with a box.  In this box were some objects.  They may have been books, but I only glanced in the box so I am not completely sure.  But I understood that these items inside the box represented this boy, and I knew I needed to read or examine everything in that box so this boy could be a part of me once again.  

At this time, I noticed that I was with another boy as well.  My awareness of the first boy became faint, but this new boy began talking to me.  He was worried, because the thought that if I were to unite with the boy who pulled me out, either he would not exist anymore, or I would not be able to be with him anymore.  However, I knew that this was not the case, although I was not completely sure who this new boy was, I also knew that he was special and close to me in some way.  I hugged him, and told him that nothing bad would happen, that everything was for the best and we would always be together.  It was very emotional.  So I looked into the box, and all of the items were gone!  Just then, I knew that whatever it was that needed to be done, I had done it at that point.  I felt that I did not need those items to unite once again with that little boy, but it already occurred, possibly simply by the act of comforting the other boy and accepting what had to be done.  It was very emotional for me, I felt such extreme joy it was indescribable.

Here is my analysis of the events which occured.  I believe that an aspect of myself which I had given up, lost, when I was a little kid, came to me and for some reason it was time to reunite with him.  I believe that the second boy who came was possibly my old self, after the initial separation from the aspect which was lost.  He was what was left of me after the one aspect was lost.  I beleive that he was afraid that if I was to join with the old aspect of myself, he would not exist anymore, for he is what I became when the aspect left, and he thought that with the return of this aspect brought about the demise of himself.
I allowed him to see that this was not the case, so he did not fear the reunion, and it was able to take place.  

Any further thoughts would be appreciated.  This seemed monumental to me, I really do believe something amazing happened.

These are called self retrievals Dude and I felt much the same way to do a few of them. Especially a kid about 3 yrs old. the joy of reunion is like your daily energy level increases.

hard to explain but I think you have done a good job with the words. I don't think the general public is doing self retrievals but I'm sure it's a part of the TMI program to teach it.
I picked it up from reading Bruce's books and Monroe's. Never been to TMI but read alot about those who have gone there and my stories are similar so I know anybody can do them if they put their mind to it.

what I think happens is, (can only speak personally) a piece of me, like energy, like a self image stuck in time, stuck on the surface of this movie I call my life, broke off due to the inability of my mind to accept..well, my family had moved from a house and left me alone in the house and so I thought I might die.
my mind could not accept this had happened and so I forgot. I forgot because it was unacceptable to remember. and painful.
when I found her sitting there I went through the motions of retrieving her then gradually the memory would resurface and I would accept it had happened and then is where the energy gain would occur in the physical/emotional vehicles.

you know it's like dancing down the sunny side of the street after such a retrieval.

see if you do not begin to experience greater equalibrium from now on out.
thank you for sharing, too many of us don't share their personal stories and I do so like to hear them when I can, as I believe self retrievals and retrievals of each other is going to be the new wave of the future and we get to be in the front.
guess how my guides got me to do that retrieval? they tricked me. I was going to retrieve someone else. they brought me to myself. it was just what I needed. it makes u wonder if there's more pieces of self to gather? maybe if we all retrieved our pieces we would have something to celebrate for a long long time.
thanks again, if you weren't here, I just don't know what I'd have to talk about!
love, alysia

I think you did a good job of interpreting your experience.  I’ve read about people splitting off fragments or aspects of themselves.  I’m not sure I understand it but it’s interesting, especially when we view ourselves as entities of consciousness.  

One alternate possibility I’d like to toss out is that the young boy might not have been an aspect of you when you were younger.  It could also be an aspect of you now that has not been allowed to develop or grow up – hence it appears as a young person.  I don't think it makes much difference to your interpretation.

In both cases you’ve taken steps to integrate that aspect back into your primary personality.  Like LightR, I wonder if you will notice any other changes going on that correlate to this experience.  One area I’m curious about is whether there will be a reduction in the dreams you’ve had about being chased and fighting back defending yourself – that might be totally unrelated but then again there might be some connection.

JOURNAL ENTRY 32

I've been going to bed way too late lately.. I always fall asleep during the exercises.  I woke up this morning and decided to have a listen.  I fell aleep AGAIN!  I woke up when the exercise was over.  I decided that I don't need hemisync, took off the headphones and affirmed that I was going to leave my body.  Sure enough, I was able to lift out.  The past few times I've had OBEs, I have noticed that I have not gotten the intense vibrations that I used to get right before separation.  Maybe you don't need these vibrations as you become more advanced?

I was unable to see for a few moments.  I gained sight and floated out of my roof into the sky.  I was way up, in a place I am not familiar with.  I decided to ask for Jesus to come to me.  I stated my intent over and over, yelling it at the top of my lungs even.  After nothing happened, I called out for a guide.  I noticed someone walking in the street below, so I decided to investigate.  It was an older woman.  I walked (floated) with her, talking to her.  She was very nice and kind.  She seemed to have told me somthing, perhaps some kind of lesson.  I remember her saying, "you shouldn't do ... something... because... something."  I cannot recall the details of what she said, but I had a feeling that what she was saying was true to me, that she knew me on a deep level somehow.  I left her and went flying around.  I was not familiar with my surroundings.  It seemed to have been in some kind of urban city area.

I found myself back in my body, but floated out easily once again.  This time I found myself up in the sky, looking down upon a farm type place.  There was a small house with people outside of it, possibly BBQing?  There was a vast plane of grass and possibly some crops, the boarder of the area was forest.  I have a faint recollection of going down to the people.  I recall seeing some of them up close.  The next thing I remember is spinning around very fast.  I did this just to experiment, usually doing this projects me to a new frequency level. Perhaps it increases my own vibrations?  So after spinning, I saw white light come down, and I opened my eyes.  What I saw is very hard to explain.  It looked like a painting with the paint moving.  There were many oranges and reds, in motion.  This was what I recall the background of this place to be.  I noticed some abstract figures, they seemed like sculptures.  One was tall, pointy and green.  It is so hard to explain what I saw or where I was.  It was as if some of the things from the scene I was previously in(the BBQ) had stayed, but were skewed and much different.  The place almost reminded me of a hell-type place.  The colors of the area were very similar to depictions of a typical hell, the oranges and reds.  I was only in this place for a few moments.  It was as disturbing as it was amazing.      

good one Dude. I don't see colors much, so nice gift you're developing. we should study what colors mean more. I have a book on thought form colors, sounds like an atmospheric color, you know, like a small town is? sometimes I go into small towns and all I see is clone attitude people, in the way that its in the general atmosphere. probably a bst.

the vibrations I do believe are an initiatory process to gain your own attention of spinning chakras for lift off of awareness. used to have them from the 60's thru the 80's but not anymore. kinda miss the sensation, was really quite a joyful buzz back then. part of the vibrations could contain a mild fear euphoria, the awareness of becoming free from constraints of body might be part of the vibrations. fear is the opposite of PUL, or closest analogy. fear on this planet is also very tantalizing feeling all the way to terror.

theres nothing to fear however, we learn to manipulate fear and I think PUl manipulates us, if that makes sense. :) I'm not saying you are fearful. I'm just studying human emotions, emotions are energies in the astral body. never could figure out why those vibrations used to get me so excited I'd pop me cork but never go anywhere!

about 80% of my obes were involuntary from the subconscious area. you are in advance of me to work consciously, objectively, which is what Monroe was working on. and Bruce too.

going to sleep? I could sleep anywhere anytime, takes me 2 seconds to nodd off. woke up this morning with a message...I remember thinking wow! thanks for that message, it makes soooooo much sense! went back to sleep. woke up...oh jesus, what was that message? I should have had my tape recorder near.

I don't think u will see any guides dressed up for you as J. you don't really believe or want that (guessing)  relax, he's used to the flack. it was always my supposition he only comes (or sends a right hand man lookalike) when theres an urgency for contact or a intense longing for that particular contact.
He's probably thinking, oh look at Dude! he's wondering about me...better keep an eye on that guy..just never know where he's gonna end up next!
regardless of the public image of the man, he did have a sense of humor, and he was very human in the most loving type of way. I've meditated on him now and again. I'm sure he loves our sense of adventure on this planet, or we have helpers slightly more advanced helping us astral project what not.  you already know there's more than one Jesus type person out there; thats good news huh? I'd hate to think theres only one way, my way or the highway....geez...how awful.

I hope u keep posting about these projections, but I know all good things do end, we seem to go in cycles and you're on a roll right now!

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JOURNAL ENTRY 33

Last night I listened to Wave 7 part 5, which is a Focus 21 excersize.  During the count up to 21, I began to feel like I was no longer laying on my bed, but floating in space.  My state of mind was quite different than normal as well.  The next thing I know I became conscious and the track was concluding.  Darn clickouts.

This morning I woke up and put on the same track.  About ten minutes into it I felt as if I was free.  I slowly flew off my bed.  Once again, I skipped over the intense vibrations that are a common signpost of OBEs.  I am convinced that I simply do not need this vibrational state anymore.  I believe that Monroe eventually did not experience the vibrations after a while either.

So I flew up into the sky.  It was dark outside, so I was obviously in a lower astral level.  My surroundings were extremely different.  There was a large building amoung many houses, and the entire area was surrounded by mountains.  I flew about a mile and reached a house.  I do not know why I went to this particular house, it just felt like the thing to do.  When I arrived there, something made me do a reality check.  I felt my face with my hands, and was shocked when my awareness skyrocketed.  I felt my hands on my face, and felt my face on my hands as if I were in waking consciousness.  Simultaneously my awareness became much higher.  

There was someone in this house.  Or somthing.  The details are not clear in my mind, but what I remember is seeing somthing there, and somehow letting it out of the house.  I get a strange feeling when I try to remember this part.

I decided to leave the house.  Things were seeming too real, and I actually thought that I may end up stuck permanently in this place if I did not leave.  I jumped and flew out of the house and into the dark sky.  I flew back to my house.  I have no idea how I knew which house was mine, because I was totally unfamiliar with the entire city.  I came to a house that was totally different from mine, actually it was totally different from any house I have ever seen.  It was even too abstract to describe it right now, no words can accurately describe what it looked like.  There was one very interesting thing about it.  On the outside of the house where my room was, I saw a sign.  It said, "Afterlife Knowledge."  I was amazed.  I wondered, why does it say this?  I floated back into my room and into my body.  This is the first time I actually went back into my body on my own, I am usually slung back into it.  Maybe I did so because the track was saying to come back to waking consciousness?

I was back in my body, but I again felt the ability to slip out easily.  I began to wonder off from my body once again, but I thought that maybe if I had another journey, I would forget my first one.  So I woke up and wrote down the experience.  

that was fun to read. thanks dude
the sign afterlife knowledge I think means that you were meant to link your adventures to this board.

Yeah, I agree with Alysia.  I think you were meant to share your experiences with us on this Afterlife Knowledge board.  A self serving thought but I think sharing your experiences and your progress are helpful to others.  My thanks.

I'm sure you've mentioned it before but instead of trying to find out where, I'll just ask again.  When did you first start having out of body experiences - before or after you came across Monroe and Bruce?

Rob

Rob

I had very little knowledge of Out of Body experiences when I first began having them.  I don't remember how I came across the topic, but I read on a website how to have them and after a couple attempts I succeeded.  I began reading more and more about the subject as I continued to project.  The first time I heard about Monroe was probably a few months after my first OBE.  What I remember is reading about Focus 27.  I remember reading that when we die, we go there and create our own realities.  I found this extremely fascninating, but at the time I was convinced that there was only a heaven and a hell, and thought that perhaps if I believed in the focus 27 business, I would go to hell(theres religion for ya!).

I first read Monroes books this summer.  By this time I had plenty of experience with leaving my body, but I did not realize that I could actually find out the answers I was looking for by doing so until I read what Monroe had been doing and what he had found.  Thus I decided to embark on a spiritual journey to discover myself and the universe, to learn about life and death and everything inbetween.  It has been an extremely rewarding adventure so far, and has been the best choice I have ever made in my life.  Another turning point is when I discovered Bruce Moen and this wonderful website.  You have all helped me tremendously and I thank each and every one of you.

Thanks Dude.  Spiritual journey is where it's at.  Though often enough I find I have to keep reminding myself.

Rob

Dude I went to your myspace again. this time I copied and got a highlight on the words so I could read them against the dark background just fine.

I would like to request that in your tag here, you put your myspace url because some of us may want to be reminded for easy access to your url....some good stuff is up there, its so comprehensive..you worked hard on it, I can tell. I'm sure theres a few people here at least want to go see and it may be what they need to find.
folks, if you do, lol, turn down the volume control knob...I usually have mine set all the way up as I listen to I-tunes all day and Dude's music gives an old lady a wake up call!

I had one suggestion you start a blog...that is, if you want to write some more, as your space takes a very long time to load, and if I seen a blog I could just click on that if I were a newbie, say, and wanted to read some more without quivering in my seat, lol, your music wakes up the dead...I suppose you designed it that way? :D

truly, I'm not just being your groupie for heaven's sake, I see a talent for writing and communicating is all.

but you do share well. love, alysia

oh HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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Thanks Alysia!  The birthday was great.  I wrote my myspace message so everyone can understand it, especially those who are totally unfamiliar with the topic of the afterlife and the concepts that we are all familiar with here.  Most myspace members checking out my page are in my age group, and most of the spiritual people I am friends with on myspace are much older than me.  Therefore I felt it was appropriate to lay it out as simply as possible, especially because my target group for the message is those around my age who are clueless to the true nature of the afterlife and the many gifts we humans have, yet so little of us actually explore.  

I told my friend who I had not seen for quite a while about my new spiritual lifestyle and the things I have been learning and exploring, and he totally flipped out.  I mean, he was screaming at the top of his lungs.  He was totally freaked out.  I calmed him down and explained everything to him, and he simply sat there with a bewildered expression trying to understand me.  He called me crazy lol and that was the end of that.  But he called me that night begging me to give him the Gateway Experience CDs and to teach him how to leave his body and everything else.  I was delighted to hear that he took me seriously and was actually interested.  I guess he just needed a little time to let it all soak in.  I just wish I could open everyone up to these things.  Everyone desirves the happiness that a spiritually directed life brings.  My myspace URL is in my profile so check it out!

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Between recently starting a new full time job and the begining of the spring school simester, I haven't had much sleep lately, let alone time or energy to do my Gateway exercises.  Hopefully I get my sleep schedual back on track soon!

I listened to Wave V parts 1 and 2 last night.  They are non-verbal tracks with metamusic, and are suppost to help you develope non-verbal communication skills.  I did not know this until just reading so, I was clueless of the purpose of these tracks last night.

While laying in focus ten, I felt a tingly energy sensation at both of my temples.  It became stronger and stronger until it was begining to feel uncomfortable.  Last time this happened I sat up and rubbed the pressure out.  However, this time I let it go and decided to ride it out and see if anything unique happened with the buildup of energy.  The energy felt as if it was going to burst from my skull.  Just at that moment, it shot to the back of my skull, and immediately zapped down my spine with intense speed and energy.  It was such a rediculous amount of energy going through me, I literally lifted off of my bed!  My entire body jumped up a couple of inches.  After this, I felt a rumbling, movement of energy feeling in the base of my spine.  Then it subsided and I got on with the exercise.

I was laying in focus ten after being attacked by my own energy, when I got the sense of floating in a dark space.  The music coming from the track seemed to give me a certain feeling.  Not so much of an emotion like happiness or excitement, but more like a feeling of being in a unique environment, and I felt a pinch of familiarity with this feeling, as if it was not totally new to me, although I have no conscious recollections of being in this place.  

The same thing happened with the second track.  I found myself floating in a new environment, different from the first one, but similar.  I felt as if I had experienced things in this place before, even though it was my first time there that I can remember.  The feeling I got was very simliar to one I got the other night while walking down my street at night.  I was walking down my block when my perception changed drastically.  I felt as if I were in midevil times, and that there was a large castle in place of a house I was walking by.  I did not see a castle, but I felt like I was very close to actually stepping into the past as I was hit with this unique feeling of being there.  It was a feeling you get of a place you have been to before and are well familiar with, and therefore have a certain feeling associated with this place.  The strange thing is, this was the first time I felt this particular feeling, and yet it felt as if I had felt it a million times before.  I was reminded of this feeling while listening to track 2.

I think getting a jolt of energy running down your spine and making you jump a few inches definitely qualifies as non-verbal communication.  I’m working on energy exercises because I need it.  But rather than your body raising jolt, I think I like the more subtle experiences you describe:  floating in a new environment but one in which there is an innate sense of the familiar and feeling of having been there before.  I wonder if you might be getting into a new more subtle (higher) vibration level.  Keep floating.  Rob

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Last night I listened to Wave VII part 5, entry into focus 21.  It instructs you to go to focus 12 by yourself, and then counts up from 12 to 21, assisting you into focus 21.  I got into focus 12, and then the count-up began.  

"12."  

"13."  I see myself bursting with light and energy in a place of light with beautiful clouds all around me, yellow sunstreaks coming out of the energy burst.  

"14."  

I now have a feeling of just being somewhere, a place so extravigant and brilliant and wonderful I cannot begin to fathom it.  All I am left with is the feeling of being there.    I am filled with joy and awe. I feel this for just a few moments.

"You are now coming back to normal waking consciousness."  

Wait a minute.  What happened to 15 through 21?  

It took me a few moments to realize I had clicked out.  I was still filled with a feeling of just being in an undescribable place.  The memory was so close to my recollection, but got dimmer and dimmer each moment.  I guess my conscious memory cannot handle what I had just done, where I had just been.  O well!

I listened to the same track two more times.  Each time, the same thing happened.  I would hear up to a certain number, then would feel as if I were in an abstract state of consciousness and the next number I would hear would be 4 or 5 numbers higher.  I would enter this state after about 14 or 15, then come back to semi-normal consciousness, and waiver inbetween these two states for the remainder of the excercises.  What I remembered from these altered states of consciousness was too abstract for my conscious memory. I would only be able to get back feelings associated with the state I was in, rather than a concrete memory.  

JOURNAL ENTRY 36

Last night I had the most profound, amazing experience of my life(that I remember).  It is somthing I will never forget.  

I fell asleep during my Gateway exercise, and a few hours after I fell asleep I regained consciousness and heard that the Gateway tracks were still running.  I began to fall back to sleep, but my mind stayed awake and I felt my energy body loosening.  I exited my body with  tremendous force.  For some reason I was violently launched from my body.

I was travelling through this amaaazing place, wizzing past what looked like billions of beautiful blue bubbles.  I felt the most intense feeling of love and joy I have ever felt in my life, it simply overwhelmed me.  I was so estatic with joy I began doing backflips.  There were brilliant, indescribable colors bursting all around me.  There were wonderous sounds.  My feelings seemed to form words and were dancing all around in the beautiful colors.  The senses I experienced(colors, sounds, feelings, words) were unlike anything of a physical nature.  This was totally unlike anything I have ever consciously experienced before, and yet I soon felt a feeling of familiarity, and the feeling of wonderment of this new undescribable place dimmed, and I found myself half-remembering where I was.  The intense feeling of love stayed, however.

I seemed to be flying through tunnels, and somehow it seemed as if I knew where I was going.  I believe that whereever I was, it was very abstract, and the closest thing I can describe it to is going through tunnels.  I found my way to a certain area, and I immediately knew where I was.  The thoughts were mine, and yet seemed to be coming from an outside source.  I believe it was my higher self.  After translating the knowledge I recieved into tangeable thoughts, I came out with... "This area shows how human's corrupt has developed."  What this meant to me was that every spirit gets corrupted in one way or another in their lives on earth, of course some far more seriously than others.  The area somehow showed people's spiritual developement, and displayed how they have been corrupted by their earthly life.    

While in this place, I have memories of certain friends and family members.  Many of the people I remember from this place have truely been spiritually corrputed during their life.  I cannot tell whether these people were actually there, or if it was just my thoughts manifesting.  

The rest of the experience is quite fuzzy in my mind.  The rest of what happened seems to be too abstract for me to recall in detail.  Rather, I am left with subtle feelings of what occured during the remainder of this wonderful journey.

After regaining waking consciousness, I quickly wrote down what happened, shaking from the love and excitement I was still feeling.  The beauty of what I had just experienced was unlike anything I can remember, I hardly have any tangeable thing to compare it to.  I believe I have had similiar experiences such as this due to the familiarity I felt.  Chances are these trips occured during my many clickouts.  I hope to be able to recall many more abstract journeys in the future, and I am truely thankful for being able to embark on this journey and remember it.

BTW.  I just began reading Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.  Reading this before bed, I experienced a newfound excitement for OBEs.  This probably contributed to this spontaneous fullblown projection and my ablity to recall it.

Dude:

Regarding Aliens, I had this experience one time.

I went out of body and got the feeling that an alien was holding me from behind as I did so.  It held me in a manner that hurt. The alien took me to a dance that was some place in space very far away from the planet earth. The alien led as we danced. It continued to hold onto me by my back in a manner that hurt. I told it I'm committed to God, love and a higher good, and I want you to let go of me. After saying this I was immediately back in my body.

I never saw the alien. Just sensed it's presence. I believe that my higher self/guidance created this experience so I wouldn't be afraid of aliens. That's why I did something as ridiculous as being taken to a dance and didn't see the alien. So I would understand the intent of the experience.

Rosalind Mcknight's books state that there are some unfriendly aliens out there, but friendly aliens look out for us (Ah So already mentioned this).

Howard Storm's book also states that there are some unfriendly aliens out there, but God and his angels are more powerful and look after us.

You could try praying for help.  I'm not certain who you would pray to considering your beliefs. I've found that I've received lots of spiritual help by praying. If an alien has actually put something in your head, you might need a powerful ally to help you.

There is another way to look at this. I read somewhere, I think a Rosalind Mcknight book, that some spirits volunteered to work with friendly aliens before they incarnated on this planet. Information gatherers perhaps. Do people who report being abducted ever end up doing negative things?

Thanks recoverer.

I no longer have any fear of aliens.  I realized the source of my fear was simply due to their extreme difference and the unknown factor.  But I'm over that, they exist just as we do and I have accepted that.  If they ever come into my life(of if they already have) then that is fine because everything happens for a reason(most of the time anyway).  I'll pray for help when I need it, my situation with aliens is fine lol.  We get along great.

I enjoy reading of your experiences OOBD.

Thanks for sharing,

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Wonderful experiences, Dude.  When you describe the focus 21 exercise and clicking out at 15, it seemed to me that you still may be experiencing some of the 15 to 21 focuses but just can’t quite bring it into your physical conscious memory.  Then, in your subsequent experience, you were able to absorb and remember some of those experiences that had been clicked out before.  Isn’t focus 21 the bridge to other energy systems?  Sounds like you were there and remembered it.  Great!  You also did a good job of describing experiences that seem to be rather elusive.  Keep it up.  - Rob

Dude:

Great to hear that you don't have any fear of aliens. What a waste of time and energy that would be.



I Am Dude wrote on Feb 6^th, 2007 at 7:26pm:

Thanks recoverer. I no longer have any fear of aliens.  I realized the source of my fear was simply due to their extreme difference and the unknown factor.  But I'm over that, they exist just as we do and I have accepted that.  If they ever come into my life(of if they already have) then that is fine because everything happens for a reason(most of the time anyway).  I'll pray for help when I need it, my situation with aliens is fine lol.  We get along great.

Hey Albert just wanted to mention my daughter also danced with an alien once.

(scuse me, I'm laffing, as think how we must sound to newbies!)

however it was not a painful type grip, the opposite effect. I have heard some stories that there aliens who do not know what pain is or that they can cause it. just a thought that they may not experience pain as we do. in such cases I've read as soon as they notice the human is feeling pain they have a means to stop the pain by touching it.

keep up the good work Dude, is it Vincent now? :)  glad you are having some fun back flips out there, I really must try that myself!

Yes.  It seems as if ETs do not have the same type of biological bodies that we have.  Their bodies seem to be more machine like, although they are definately conscious living beings.  They live in a state of oneness with eachother(those in the same race, that is), they exist in a group consciousness rather than having individualistic minds as we do(This is information gathered from remote viewers).  They are actively trying to understand us more and more, however, for they seek the individual consciousness that humans have.  Its funny, for some of us humans seem to be seeking the opposite, a collective global consciousness.

And yes, its Vincent.  Vince is fine if you don't wanna call me Dude lol.  I like Dude tho, its like my signature name.  Its special to this forum only.  But it's your choice.

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Full time work + full time school = loosing consciousness during Gateway Experience

That is the equation I have discovered.

I've been doing the exercises every night, but I am constantly passing out during them due to extreme tiredness.  Last night I managed to stay conscious long enough to remember the experience.

I was listening to Wave 2 part 1, focus 12.  It seems I can instantly get into focus 12 now.  Whether I am laying down doing an exercise, or sitting down in a chair for a minute.  I have a way to feel myself joining the source of infinite consciousness(this is what it feels like anyway).  I will myself to become one with everything, and almost instantly loose most of the awareness of my body, and it feels like I am HUGE.  Not body-wise, but consciousness-wise.  It is a feeling of total peace and tranquility.

So while in focus 12, I feel myself entering a deep trance.  The heaviness of my body lets me know I will soon be able to have an out of body experience.  Then total lightness sets in along with light vibrations, and my energy body's arms reach up and I start pulling an imaginary rope, lifting upwards.  However, I only feel this lifting for a moment, and I am instantly back into my body.  However, I do not think I was actually sucked back into my body.  I did not feel the usual pull that I get when I am brought back, or the dropping sensation.  Rather, it felt as if my conscious awareness shifted from my real time body back to my etheric/physical body.  According to Robert Bruce, sometimes during OBEs, our awareness does not enter the reflected energy body having the OBE, but rather stays inside the etheric/physical body which is still laying in bed immobile.  I believe this is what happened to me.  Its ashame, I probably missed out on a great experience.

A very strange phenomenon occurred during the exercise.  It actually happened twice.  I heard a certain part of the dialog.  Then I hear the same exact piece of dialog.  It is hard to say the time inbetween because time expeirenced is not the same as time outside of my altered state.  It seemed like just a moment though.  So I thought.. That's weird.  I just heard him say that.  Then a little while later, I heard another part of the dialog.  What seemed like a moment later, I heard the same exact piece of dialog.  This was the second time it happened, so I thought... well, I don't know what I thought.  And I still don't know what to think.  How can I hear something twice, when it only played once in reality?

you know how dude, you heard the same phrase twice!
well I don't think anyone will believe me but I'm working on holographic principles of the universal mind.
it appears we "record" messages. while we know that the brain itself is like a computer, we don't think of our minds, when OBE are also similar to receiving signals or files like a computer does.
to think of holographic patterning, which is duplicate in nature, like the 7 bodies of man is duplicates..we don't like to de-humanize ourselves by thinking that thought is holographic in nature also.
I would suggest you were getting a playback from one of your bodies and sensing it in the physical as well as the etheric imprint played it again.

this is not unlike a labeling of dual consciousness. in several of my obes I experienced the vision of two of me in two locations, each aware of the other, split as it were. that your experience has to do with sound, and mine with vision does not confuse me, as both vision and sound are sensory implements of consciousness.

wonderful obe. its peaceful out there huh? :)

Nice post Dude.  Instantly into Focus 12 – that’s great!  I’ve done that with Focus 10 a few times but usually I have to spend some time doing it.  Joining the source of universal consciousness – super!   Awareness staying inside the etheric/physical body lying immobile – I  think that may happen to me sometimes, I’ll have to pay more attention.  As for the picking up on the same piece of dialog in a couple instances, my  thought is that the dialog exists and you’re awareness was tapping into the same place where it left off – I do this once in a while when I fall back asleep and pick up on the same dream – it’s like the dream’s sitting there just waiting for me to come back to it.  

With a full time job and full time school and time for other fundamentals like sleeping, driving back and forth, cooking, eating and taking a breath every now and then, I figure you’re probably only using up about 26 hours a day.  You should have about 4 more hours a day for recreation and Gateway Experiences – right?  Keep it up, Dude!

Dude,
I see that you've begun reading Astraldynamics by Robert Bruce. Just thought I'd let you know that he's going to be doing a weekend workshop at the Monroe Institute this spring, May 18 - 21. I've signed up for it and am looking forward to attending. So far I've attended Gateway and Lifeline at TMI. Someone in my Lifeline group highly recommended Robert Bruce, so I jumped at the chance when I heard about this workshop.

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Last night I listened to the Focus 21 track of Wave 7.  I was well rested at this point, having just slept a good 6 hours, so I knew something interesting would happen-that I would actually be awake for!

I soon lost almost all bodily awareness during the countup to 21.  I then got a strong ability to visualize and see what I was visualizing perfect.  I saw myself on a familiar street, and I was flying down this street, turning down this street and that street, all familiar places to me in my town.  Soon I was actually on these streets, flying around at high speeds.  Sometimes my legs would scrape the ground, and I would feel them going through the pavement.. a weird feeling to say the least.  

I then find myself back in my body.  However, I do not feel back in my body.  I feel as if I am floating in an infinite void.  I am a geometric shape, spinning around in all directions, expanding and changing forms.  This was a very abstract feeling so I am doing my best to desscribe it.  This feeling was accompanied by electrifying, yet pleasant energetic vibrations.

Soon after I see a scene in my head.  It is a midget and a model food shopping.  I believe they were a couple.  I was just watching this scene as if it were a movie.  However, this couple goes to a clothing store inside this food market(?), and at this point I find myself actually at this place, my consciousness flying around.  In this clothing store I notice a clothing brand that catches my attention.  I look close and it says, "Astral" on the logo.  I thought wow!  I would probably buy this if it were real.  Of course, the word astral is significant to me.

I then find myself back in my body again, falling deeply into the trance state.  The final sinking sensation let me know I was about to leave my body.  A few more moments in an abstract state of conscious meditation and I was soon floating up towards my ceiling.  

I was approaching the ceiling quite slowly, and was soon passing through it.  However, somthing began pulling my backwards.  I thought I was just being pulled back into my body, but I soon found out I was wrong.  I began to see my room enlongate as I was being pulled backwards.  There were a lot of windows or posters on the walls and ceiling, and this whole room was just being stretched out as my point of view was vanishing backwards.  The room was dark and shadowy.  I then felt a pretty deep pinch on my left shoulder.  It did not feel pleasant.  I immediately thought... this must be some kind of negative entity.  Whatever it was, it came from behind me and did somthing to give me an unpleastant feeling on my shoulder.  I immediately snapped back into my body, and still felt a buzzing sensation in my shoulder a moment after.  

I wonder what happened to my shoulder, and who did it?  I sure as hell wasn't sticking around to find out.  Especially not in that low level I projected to.

Wow Dude,

I find this very interesting. Is this your first encounter with a suspected negative entity?

When I set my intent on Higher Self a lot of interesing things came out of it. I have discovered that 3yr old me was using the astral plain as an escape, it's a practice that I never gave up because it is so enjoyable but all these years I thought it was all in my inagination. I thought maybe I never let go of 'the magic of childhood imagination' and perhaps that is exactly right, only I did not realize until recently that it was real. Imagine my surprise and delight!

Anyway, back to the point. In all of this time I have never run across a negative enity in the astral plain. It could be that I do not go to the lower plains, or it could be because I did not think it was possible. Even though (until recently) most of my journeys were solo trips for play I never felt like I was alone. I always feel like I have love surrounding me and I feel protected, safe in this love.

About two weeks ago some issues were brought up on the board that made me have slight doubts of my safety. I am glad this happened because I set my intent to find the truth. I did get my answer. I wasn't satisfied with just one answer, I kept asking for proof. How obstinate of me I know..what can I say...when you have to know, you have to know. You can find the answer I recieved in my post "Fire & Ice". Now I can not say with all honesty that this was God himself but I do know without a shadow of a doubt that the energy vibration of this 'being' was very different. This 'being' came from a much higher plain, of that I am also sure. I can not give a discription of the experience and do it justice but I am once again free from fear!

I can't say what happened or what that was, sorry, but I hope my post helps you in some fashion.

Keep posting, I look forward to your journal!  Stacy

Pretty interesting.  Seems like you were touching on a number of different aspects or levels (don't like that word so much) of consciousness.  Part of it seemed almost a dream.  I liked your abstract geometrical experience.  Sorry about your getting pinched.

As to the Astral clothing line - maybe you should start one.  Bet there's a lot of people who would buy astral clothing!

just some thoughts Dude. the midget and the model might be something to do with opposites attracting for the learning.

then we have clothing with the label astral.
so you are buying into astral concepts and wearing the concepts, or you would buy this item or study into it further. the clothing store with the astral concept seems on the outside of you, but when you wear the item it is like an image thing you place on your body.

images are disposable when lined up next to your true essence or higher purpose.
then we have somebody pinches you and this propels you back into the safety of your body, which I surmise was part of their intention, as a test, to see how much fear is in you, they monitor this stuff, guides can see what we are up to when we surf these areas and I think you have yourself a teacher on hand.
I am just conjecturing..but I really don't think you will come to serious harm by your explorations and that when you get your bearings, you may be taken to certain situations in your training.

love, alysia

Hi Dude,
I very often have sensations like something is stinging me, or sudden itchings, or electric shock alikes. I don't know what causes this, but it lasts not long and I haven't noticed after-effects.
Interesting to me is whether there is a relationship between abstract experiences and the perception of the body. My little theory, just for now, is that from a level of abstraction on, when there is nothing we can lean on or hold on, we need to perceive our physical bodies for grounding, to not get "lost". It makes you also aware of the "emergency out", meaning the quick return to the physical body, which makes me more relaxed, while when really into it, in a full OBE without physical body-perception the fear potential is higher, because you're more "in" it; of course on the other hand the nonphysical perception is stronger then (so I guess at least).

Spooky

Sorry Alysia, I'm kinda late on this one. Your daughter too! Did she ever find out why? Perhaps some aliens don't know about pain.



LaffingRain wrote on Feb 13^th, 2007 at 6:43pm:

Hey Albert just wanted to mention my daughter also danced with an alien once. (scuse me, I'm laffing, as think how we must sound to newbies!) however it was not a painful type grip, the opposite effect. I have heard some stories that there aliens who do not know what pain is or that they can cause it. just a thought that they may not experience pain as we do. in such cases I've read as soon as they notice the human is feeling pain they have a means to stop the pain by touching it. keep up the good work Dude, is it Vincent now? :)  glad you are having some fun back flips out there, I really must try that myself!

Dude:

I'm kind of late on this, but great experience with the blue bubbles. Did the bubbles make you think of Michael Newtons grapelike soul structures?

No, the bubbles were semi-uniformly spread out as far as I could perceive.  They didn't seem to have any consciousness, but were more like beautiful scenery objects.

I get it Dude.

I once had this experience while laying in bed with my eyes open. I suddenly saw a book with very fancy caligraphy and binding. The pages changed more like they would on a computer screen rather than flipping. Even though the words were printed clearly, I couldn't make out what they said. I decided to focus on just one word in order to see if this would work, and the book changed into a grid.  Next, my vibrational rate increased and I astral projected out of the top of my head. I flew backwards as I looked at various structures I don't know how to describe.  It was very intricate. I don't know if they served a purpose other than scenery. It wasn't like anything I've seen on earth and it was mostly green. I saw this place on another occasion without the OBE effects. All that was needed this time was for my third eye to become active. I couldn't tell you what this place is.



I Am Dude wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2007 at 7:15pm:

No, the bubbles were semi-uniformly spread out as far as I could perceive.  They didn't seem to have any consciousness, but were more like beautiful scenery objects.

[quote author=recoverer link=1163819502/135#146 date=1172864734]Sorry Alysia, I'm kinda late on this one. Your daughter too! Did she ever find out why? Perhaps some aliens don't know about pain.


well Albert now that u mention it I can relate the dream adventure as I interpreted it and it was extremely positive all in all.
as regarding the pain..of some who claim they are abducted, after reading Whitley Strieber, he at first said it was abduction, and later concluded it was getting to be too beneficial these experiences, and so he decided he had made a prior agreement to be abducted and to work with them. in other readings there was some stories of needles which are inserted into the navel area and this is the astral body, but the physical body will also feel it as pain. in which case complaining loudly helps..and brings in the head honcho who immediately sees the problem and the pain is at once taken away. since it is mental telepathy, they are not used to communicating with the humans they abduct who are not "aware" of them. the ones who become aware they are with these aliens, are the ones who are more suscipable to pain it seems..something about the astral body and the physical body signals are more cohesive. I'm just conjecturing. I've read a few abductee accounts here and there and pondered, why there are short aliens versus the tall ones seem more developed and have more abilities.
I'm thinking dude was pinched to ascertain his sensitivity maybe. but not as an evil intention to cause pain.


my daughter danced in a classroom. The alien was in charge as teacher of a group. he gave to each a gift. When it was her turn he danced with her in flowing manner in celebration and joy, she said her smile was so big it would not fit her face...lol...love that term. he was the tall type, with long hair of light color, robed, his face was androgenous looking, very manly yet compassionate at the same time.
he gave her a lovely box with geometric shaped jewels of colors inside, or it may have been a box with jewels on the outside..inside were the shapes of geometric form.

I'm reminded that the crop circles will also have geometric shapes and that it is a language all its own, the metrics.
All in all we have to figure it out as we go. it seems she needed a pep talk by this one, as she is a beautiful person but thinks so lowly of herself that this dream gave her great inspiration to feel good about herself.
indeed, I was proud of her, that this alien would agree she is more than she thinks she is, and he was trying to tell her this by all the happy feelings.

love, alysia

Dude,

I thought I would take a moment to post to this thread and share with you an experience.
I decided yesterday evening to listen to the Gateway Series CDs that I have tucked away. I thought, well, this might be interesting. The Orientation was interesting and it flowed easily enough, though I was consciously aware at the start of the exercise that energy was building. I flowed easily through the exercise and the energy dissipated.

I took a small break to re-orient myself (or as some say, ground myself) before I began exercise #2 for F10. Afterward, I jotted down notes which I will share because you may find them interesting for your ongoing study of these particular material.

"I began F10. I am becoming aware of energy, undulating in and around my body. It is like swimming in the sun-reflected light of a pool. I progressively relax myself, listening to the exercise. When I reach F3, there is an energy pressure that begins in my head and is flowing downward. It sweeps through me and then suspends its motion, waiting. I am at ease. I feel myself shifting as I progress. Images, fragments, vibrant, vivid and clear appear and disappear. I lose sensation of time. I simply am here, but here seems so nondescript. But there is no word to describe this place. Is this the 3D blackness, this soft crushed black velvet that billows around me. Emergence. Something emerges from the darkness, like a movie fading out, but in reverse. Images are vague greenish color. Woods, forest, undergrowth surrounded. Foggy mountain. I am in a forest on a foggy mountain morning. This I should investigate. I should go that way, I think, and there is motion, movement, momentum in the direction of my vision, as I am sweeping through the undergrowth toward an unknown destination. No, wait. I am going to project. Stop. That is not my goal. Slowing, momentum decreasing, withdrawing, fading out, billowing velvet embrace, returning to exercise, time to return, emerging, eyes opening and stretching. "

I am very refreshed, but somewhat befuddled that I do not know what was being said on the tape, though I am not that concerned.

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    E.

thanks E, that felt refreshing to me too :)

Alysia:

I haven't looked into crop circles much, but perhaps they are made because it is hard for the government to lie about them. Who knows how much UFO info they keep hidden from us.

Last night I woke up and experienced this big beam of energy progressively rise up my body starting at my feet and ending at my head, until my entire body was enclosed within it. I expanded into my energy bodies and I was encased in this energy for about 15 minutes. It pushed "really" hard by my neck and the back of my head. For a while it felt like my head would explode.

I wonder how my friends from the spirit World are able to do such a thing. It made me think of aliens because it was a powerful beem of energy. Almost felt liquid. Because the energy felt like PUL, I know I'm being looked after,  and because I've had numerous powerful energetic experiences without anything bad happening, I didn't feel afraid as this occurred.

Later on I had a dream which suggested that while asleep and just before this energetic experience took place,  I did retrievels in a lower realm I hadn't visited before, and some astral entities that got stuck to me had to be cleansed. After this experience I received the words "We had to do this." Since this energy pushed out of my crown at the end, I wonder is these entities were sent to the light.

hi Albert. I really don't think the entities you speak of had much of a choice but go where sent in orderly fashion we don't understand yet.
I base this thought on a retrieval where an entity did dissolve into or inside of a light flash during retrieval. one of the funniest retrievals ever, the look on his face....

I read a book by William Gammil and some of the things you speak of he also went through and the Brotherhood of Light disc members he belonged to, said they were the aliens and sometimes used saucers to become visible to the general population. he also said we were all one. so they were time travelers, our own future selves.
sounds like you're in good hands to me. love, alysia

Alysia:

Comments below.


LaffingRain wrote on Mar 5^th, 2007 at 3:21pm:

hi Albert. I really don't think the entities you speak of had much of a choice but go where sent in orderly fashion we don't understand yet. I base this thought on a retrieval where an entity did dissolve into or inside of a light flash during retrieval. one of the funniest retrievals ever, the look on his face.... "I like the dissolve into a light flash part. Sometimes the thought occurs to me that spirits and entities that have been allowed to hang out just about anyplace they want, aren't being allowed to do so anymore. It's time for things to change, whether they are ready or not.  But this is just a thought, I'm not certain." I read a book by William Gammil and some of the things you speak of he also went through and the Brotherhood of Light disc members he belonged to, said they were the aliens and sometimes used saucers to become visible to the general population. he also said we were all one. so they were time travelers, our own future selves. sounds like you're in good hands to me. love, alysia

"I'm not familiar with William Gammil. Perhaps I'll do an internet search and see what I find. Aliens? Alien, human, just lables for what we aren't. A divine soul is a divine soul regardless of what it pretends to be for a while."

P.S. My responses posted in two ways.

EternalEssence

Very cool experience!  Don't worry about what's being said on the tape, the second track isn't that interesting anyway lol.  Just the standard... "Now go to focus ten" and the countup to ten, and of course "now return to waking consciousness"(which is never fun!).  

How much experience do you have with the Gateway Experience?  If you were to make up a metaphysical resume, what would your credentials be as far as OBE and phasing?  Seems as if your pretty good at this stuff.

Recoverer

Your experience with the energy and your connection to aliens is quite familiar to me.  A couple weeks ago I saw a bright light in the sky appear while looking out my window in the middle of the night.  It stayed put for about ten seconds, then disapeared.  I was in awe, I couldn't beleive I just saw that.  So I was going back to sleep, but I wasn't going back to sleep.  Instead I was drifting into a deep trance.  I started to feel a upwards pull, and was about to leave my body.  However, I believed that the UFO I saw(or whatever it was) was abducting me!  I quickly aborted.  I feel back into this state another two times, and thought I was being abducted again.  When I woke up I thought... DAMN! I just missed out on 3 OBEs cuz I saw a stupid light in the sky!  Oh well, you live and you learn.  If I was being abducted, I wouldn't have had any control over whether or not I stayed or left.  Heck, next time I'm just gonna let them take up!   :D

thats right, you were in control dude! I hear the aliens find those humans who have control most interesting specimens...hehe.....don't be afraid. Love protects you. u are a loving person I can tell. :)

I'll bet on you over those aliens any time, Dude.  Just go with the flow.  Uhh, doesn't that mean you're at Focus 35 or something?

Dude:

Perhaps I didn't express myself too well. I don't believe the energy I experienced came from aliens. Certainly former human spirits are capable of using energy in such a way. I brought up the alien thing because it made me think of one of those science fiction films where a person is overcome with a beam of energy.

The energy I experienced was more than a monotone beam. It opened up my non physical bodies and worked on me in different ways. There was an intelligence behind it.

One other thing I need to clarify. I reconsidered my dream and astral entities didn't need to be cleansed, just some negative energy. I usually analyze dreams pretty well, but this one took me a while. Sorry for the misinformation. And I hope you don't mind me taking up so much space on your thread. Tell me to knock it off and I well. ;)

Dude,

I wasn't too really concerned really about the CD really. I think I just started it and then moved into my own process. I have no real experience with the Gateway things, and last night marked the first night for the lofty focus 10. LOL. I am assuming now I must have done something right based on your response.

I have my own feelings that I use to judge my experiences. Everyone has their own names for them and rightly so. I just sense everything as an internal movement and trust myself to move in the correct direction of any movement felt. My earliest experiences with anything came during childhood when I had a series of consciousness expanding experiences. I recall them vividly to this day. OBEs and such began in teens and simply became more frequent as time passed. It is strange sometimes writing about them because it appears that they are somehow separate from me, but to me are only an outward expression of my total essence.  I realize that my experiences are different from others, so I choose to describe them as such. I could never speak for another person, but I think I can usually find common ground.

Sorry -- slightly off track today.


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JOURNAL ENTRY 39

Last night I fell asleep listening to Gateway, as usual.  I did some light chakra stimulation before I passed out.  Anyway, during a dream soon afterwards, I became very lucid.  I immediately decided to have an out of body experience.  Suddenly I was in a black void observing geometric patterns moving and changing.  I was not aware of any exit sensations, or at least I do not remember them occuring.  My next memory is me being out of my body.

I was in a place that seemed to be in front of my house.  However, it was extremely different.  My house was actually a fire house, and there was a large field across the street, where in real life there is actually only a small grass lot.  However, there was a body of water where my bay actually is, so I believe I was in an astral realm in the same spacial location as my physical location.  The sky was sunny with some clouds, quite beautiful.

The first thing I remember is observing a group of guys outside of the fire house.  They appeared to be fire fighters.  They seemed to be having a good time conversing and joking around.  I flew away, towards the field.  

I decided to look at my hands, and almost immediately they disintegrated before my eyes.  It was as if they had just been burned extremely quickly by an invisible fire.  My hands and arms were gone.  I looked away, and glanced back at them.  They were there again.  I then flew up into the sky with extreme speed in an attempt to shift dimensions to an astral realm, not knowing I was already in one.(I realized I was in an astral realm after regaining waking consciousness)

I came back down to the field where there was a man standing next to a fire hydrant.  I flew to the edge of the field, and passed by a half bull-half human being.  I had to dodge to the side to avoid him.  He was doing some kind of labor, it seemed.  

Still under the impression that I was not in an astral realm, I spun around with great speed to shift dimensions.  When I stopped, the sky appeared to be slightly darker, and things were different.  The top of the fire hydrant in the field was cut off.  The man next to it began talking to me.  He said.. "I'm trying to teach you how to.." and the rest, I forget.  All I know is that whatever he wanted to teach me, I was not interested, because I payed him no attention and flew to the fire house.  I get the impression it had to do with labor.

Things were very different at the fire house, as well.  The group of fire fighters were instead dressed in postal uniforms.  They were drinking beer, and looked not so well-groomed.  A group of guys, who were wearing the same uniforms the postal guys were wearing before I spun around(which I assumed to be fire uniforms), soon approached the postal guys.  They said they were in the military, and started making fun of the postal guys and giving them a hard time.  

It seems as if I may have shifted dimensions slightly, by spinning.  I am thinking that in the dimension after the spin, the people there had different status, different roles, different lives than they had in the dimension I was initially in.  

the postal clerks could be synonomous with "messengers." they used to be firemen who "put out fires"  fires can mean destructive forces they protect against.

just throwing out some symbology for you. somebody wants to teach you, it's labor or entails labor. you're not interested. he might have shown you something u want to know though about astral flight.
I've experienced the speed you encountered.
outside your house is a group of guys. outside your C1 is these others. are they helpers?
could be.
also we have some commonalities going on here...I watched my arms and legs disappear once..it was not a sleeping dream..it was a conscious projection.
so what I'm saying is we are not our bodies so we show ourselves this is true.
I enjoy your posts.

theres a theory, we each have an animal totem type thing inside us, can be symbolic of our emotional mainstay..I suggest the bull-man was seen this way and that it was the astral. I think mine might be the horse as a friend saw this about me.  we can change form out there like clothing.

the spinning sensations I am pretty sure is the result of being aware of the vortex of energy which spins in the chakras..next time see if the spinning occurs in your form if you have a form with you..emotions would be the 2nd in the solar plexes, heart would be near the heart..theres 7 we can go off of.

just off the wall here Dude, I was in my mouth once as a pinpoint...I want to travel my bloodstream...lol....like the movie.

have fun! :)

Alysia

Thanks for the symbology input.  I am clueless as far as this subject goes, so it is always interesting and helpful.

According to Robert Bruce, the melting hands effect is due to the fact that our subconscious minds cannot deal with the idea that we have a body laying in our beds, and at the same time a body which we are in while out of body.  Our minds create a body image during OBEs because that is the form we are used to, and this is also why it is so easy for this body we are in to change, and in this case disintegrate, while out of body.  I agree with Bruce fully.

As far as the spinning goes.. this is a technique I have been using for a while which allows dimensional shifts to occur, and also tends to give an energetic boost.  The spinning is simply a result of my conscious effort to spin around really fast.  It is not an internal spinning of the chakras, it is a spinning of my entire reference of consciousness, my energy body.  Try this next time you are out of your body, I bet you will find yourself in a place of higher vibrations.

Hi Dude, I never do the spinning consciously like others, so I look at it differently a bit. I just glide out there, no spinning, but have been known to move very fast! :) as others I see move fast.
the chakras are intriguing to me to study, as I can feel spinning in my solar plexes the most  and in the head also, and when I pick up telepathy there is a spinning sensation in my body. so sorry I talk about chakras so much, its related to my body which is related to my mind all of one thing, and the energy body, seems to expand outward during obes, but I've been thinking lately, what if there's nothing out there? what if the entire universe is inside of me?

ooouuuuu

it don't make it less real to think this way.
yes, I agree it can be disconcerting to perceive yourself without your appendages that we so fully utilize while in C1.  geez...I sound crazy even to myself... :)

you are doing well. thanks for your post.
if anyone would find this helpful, when I lost my arms and legs and became an orb, I remember thinking I wanted to move "faster". thats when I lost my appendages as this orb thing..but yea, I moved a lot faster after that.

Alysia

I too am very interested in Chakras, Kundalini and the entire energy body circut.  Do you do any energy work?  

I do, but only lightly.  Probably five minutes a night, tops.  Simply because I do not want to over do it.  I would not like to loose my mind or life due to a premature Kundalini awakening, so I am just taking it slow.  Half of the time I work on the seven main chakras, and the other half I work on the secondary circut.  Robert Bruces NEW is a gem.

Alsyia, you gave me an idea.  I am going to investigate my chakras the next time I am out of body. (hmm and this is only number 1,452,876 on my list of things to do out of body!!)

[quote author=OutOfBodyDude link=1163819502/165#165 date=1173540773]Alysia

I too am very interested in Chakras, Kundalini and the entire energy body circut.  Do you do any energy work?  
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good morning....no, I am just like your philosophy. I adhere to the lazy man's philosophy of spiritual development, the path of least resistence. meaning I continually listen to internal guidance instead of raising my own kundalini, as you say, too much energy raising could cause problems, like an overwhelming feeling. what I work with is my emotions which I consider is what projects me outward. I simply observe what I'm feeling in any given moment and then I get mental with it or receive messages. I suppose this is my energy work.  the reason I'm so intrigued with these energy portals or chakras, is that the time I became this orb thing I very distincly felt a spinning energy exit a door in my forehead, a current of energy, it was me! I was "out". yet amazingly, I knew my body was still in the chair being ever so quiet for me.
thank you for helping me figure things out Dude. it was not a mistake you came to this board.
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I do, but only lightly.  Probably five minutes a night, tops.  Simply because I do not want to over do it.  I would not like to loose my mind or life due to a premature Kundalini awakening, so I am just taking it slow.  Half of the time I work on the seven main chakras, and the other half I work on the secondary circut.  Robert Bruces NEW is a gem.
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I was given a dream message regarding "NEW." years ago. you are absolutely right, it is a gem. had my 2nd "real" retrieval after doing NEW.  Moen has a similar exercise; I combined the two.
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Alsyia, you gave me an idea.  I am going to investigate my chakras the next time I am out of body. (hmm and this is only number 1,452,876 on my list of things to do out of body!!
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haha! contain yourself! yea, right! :)  say, I want to visit the library on the other side consciously like Moen did. That's probably the only thing on my list right now. love, alysia
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I am considering starting my Gateway excersizes once again due to an experience I had last night.

It wasn't anything special (for me, anyway), but it brought back the feelings of excitement and wonder which are caused by going out of body.

I sleep on my back every night with my fiance next to me.  I woke up for a few minutes, then fell back to sleep.  However, I did not fall asleep, only my body did.  It entered paralysis while my mind entered the familiar altered state that always accompanies paralysis.  

I was unable to see, but I felt a spirit next to me.  It was raised slightly, maybe a foot or two higher than I was.  I felt what seemed like an arm touching me.  I knew it was my fiance, because she was sleeping and the spirit was right above her body.(Our spirits raise out of our bodies while we sleep in case anyone did not know this).  At the same time, I heard my fiances voice.  I am unable to remember what she said, or thought, since I was most likely hearing her thoughts.  Then the experience ended.

So perhaps you will see some more posts with some more detailed experiences. Who knows.

Hey, where have you been out of body dude? Have you been out of body all this time?

Dude went out of the states..to be with his girl.  :)  Dude, I can't wait for more obes to read what you're up to, who knows what u might discover while I'm at home sawing logs... :) I want to have the details for comparison value. I occassionally get out!

yes, I know, but maybe some others don't know, we do discoincide with physical body while we sleep, we can be close to the body or suspended up a ways.
I think we are feeding prana into the body this way. prana is to rejuvenate our cells, which are constantly dying and being replaced.

in this state you can hear voices or make your vocol chords move (talking in dreams) while you are suspended. this my thought conjecture. I have spoken in my sleep and woken myself up a few times doing that, then I'm still plugged into that other world of circumstance so real.

love to you, hurry back, must be some people missing you like I do. alysia

I think Laffingrain and Out Of Body Dude desperately need to make an appointment with
Doctor Phil..LOL ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!!!!!!Darth. May both sides of the force be with you. :)

Darth Benedict wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 2:49am:

I think Laffingrain and Out Of Body Dude desperately need to make an appointment with Doctor Phil..LOL ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!!!!!!Darth. May both sides of the force be with you. :)

well hmm :)  I would talk to doctor Phil any old day! Darth, would u consent to attending comedy class with me out here?  we both need a good laff now and then so we can see love in action. may the force embrace you desperately and turn me loose.

I Am Dude wrote on Mar 10^th, 2007 at 11:32am:

Alysia I too am very interested in Chakras, Kundalini and the entire energy body circut.  Do you do any energy work?   I do, but only lightly.  Probably five minutes a night, tops.  Simply because I do not want to over do it.  I would not like to loose my mind or life due to a premature Kundalini awakening, so I am just taking it slow.  Half of the time I work on the seven main chakras, and the other half I work on the secondary circut.  Robert Bruces NEW is a gem. Alsyia, you gave me an idea.  I am going to investigate my chakras the next time I am out of body. (hmm and this is only number 1,452,876 on my list of things to do out of body!!)

was re-reading you're interested in chakras, so I posted this on myspace and thought you might like to read it about chakras. now, I don't claim to be expert, I only started studying chakras about 6 years ago and I don't believe in working with kundalini, but let yourself develop naturally without pushing it. the only "energy" work I claim to do is visualization of myself expanding outward and world hugging sort of energy work, has nothing to do with gaining any powers for myself, if you do that kind of chakra work, you won't have difficulty or confusion of too much activity in them. its a matter of trusting yourself and learning PUL and expanding mental concept capabilities. balance in all things I say.

we are entering as a group and in the world into the 4rth and 5th layers of consciousness where we enter non duality and non judgment.
this may give u some thoughts that u might carry with you when you go obe or phase which lead you to discover more and then you can come enlighten me or just share what you might have got; I've got this theory what we think about out pictures in obes or reflects, but theres so much more to discover by this type of exploring, so I don't understand why Darth wants us to go get Doctor Phil? I'm sure Doctor Phil is already ascended! ;)

Layers of heaven are synonamous with layers of consciousness in this discourse. You've heard of 7 layers of heaven or 7th heaven? Throughout different religions we hear about the 7 heavens and the number 7 has mystical connotations for many through the centuries.
this is LaughingRains makeshift presentation for your enjoyment possibly.
1) First layer we will call the earth plane of physical reality within time and space as we think of it. Well now, thats about all we can say about the 1st layer but we can say it's a plane of objective work a day dimension where we attend to body, survival of that, and relationships with family and the world. Think of yourself not as a body, but as a spirit which animates the body with life force and gathers life experience.
2) The 2nd layer of heaven, or consciousness is often called the lower astral plane. It may be seen as focus level 22 where spirits who were addicted to a substance, or persons in a physical coma may float. This is the layer where many will encounter what has been called ghosts for lack of a better term. It is in truth an extension of the first layer. It vibrates in harmony with the attention of physical people. A slight shift of attention can many times open paranormal senses to this layer. Google Skyhero transpersonal reality material for more detailed info. In the 2nd layer we find good and bad folks according to our limited judgement of that, It is a temporary spirit holding zone. Most of the residents of the 2nd layer continue on after a short period of time. They are held there only by their attention. Many assisting helpers work in this area to help folks move on to higher levels.

3) Third layer can be conjectured as focus level 23 through 26 by TMI. (The Monroe Institute) This plane of spirit existence is containing all religious belief systems as well the concept of reward and punishment realms. You will also find people of no religious belief in particular residing in communities on this plane. In the 3rd layer, nonphysical folks attend school and enjoy the pleasures of their expectations.
The inhabitants desire to learn is childlike. Cognitive thought is the ability to give consideration to all other possibilities. Cognitive thought is nearly absent in the 2nd and 3rd layers. Cognitive thought IS accessible in the 1st layer, physical plane.The easiest place to work on one's paradigm (entire philosopy) is in the first layer.
4) The fourth layer in my estimation could be seen as TMI's focus level 27. I will be checking on that tomorrow.
thanks for the read. Credit for what I've learned about the layers goes to Bill Cozzolini, an author, and TMI and the good folks that come from that school of consciousness and to similar correlations I've drawn in my own explorations out of body.

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Hey, where have you been out of body dude? Have you been out of body all this time?

I am glad you asked, Recoverer...

I just returned from a Near Death Experience that lasted 3 months. Let me explain in detail.

I was eating breakfast when a clump of cereal (damn you cheerios!!) blocked my air flow and killed me.

I found myself a few feet above my body, watching it as it layed on the table with my face in the cereal bowl.

I looked up and saw a bright light, and entered through it.

I was greeted by some dudes dressed in white robes.  They bowed down on their knees.

Then they said... "The messiah has returned! Thank you god! Jesus Christ has come back to us!"

I then realized that I was in fact Jesus Christ.

I said screw these white robe-wearing fairies, lets have some fun!

I went back to earth to visit some friends.

I appeared in front of my good friend Bruno, and he saw me.

After freaking out, he said.. I always knew you were real, Jesus!

THen I responded... I am not real! I am in your imagination, dummy! There is no Jesus!!!!

THen he started to cry.

I went to my other friends house, where he was looking at porn on his computer.

I appeared to him and said... "You have sinned, child. Now you will burn in hell for the rest of eternety!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

He started crying as well.

I then did this to every one of my friends, and they all cried.

Then God punished me by sending me back to my body to learn why it is not nice to make people cry.

Out of body dude:

That's why some people don't meet a light being named Christ when they have a near death experience. They don't actually have an NDE, they just make it up.

Did you hit your head on something while away? It seems like you forgot something important.

hey guys, if anyone wants to know who Dude really is, check out his myspace! it will blow your socks off..we're all family here, some are communicators though...they give themselves away free. love, alysia   please post the link as your tag perhaps, because you also have music up there as well as the written word, supporting TMI as well the intentions of this board.  judgment is a sad thing to do on one another, young and old. I'm looking forward to a new world. I hope I live that long, but oh well, going home is ok too.

Judgement?

Despite the fact of how outofbody dude states that he was graced by the presence of Christ, he makes yet another joke about Jesus, and again denies that the person of Jesus ever existed.

Is there something wrong with speaking up when people purposely say something against Jesus? Are people supposed to keep quiet when somebody says something against Jesus, so they won't be viewed as being judgemental? Well, people can judge me as being judgemental as much as they want.

I couldn't get outofbodydude's my space to come up. I can't imagine how it can reveal something about him which justifies his making a joke out of Jesus.



LaffingRain wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 1:06pm:

hey guys, if anyone wants to know who Dude really is, check out his myspace! it will blow your socks off..we're all family here, some are communicators though...they give themselves away free. love, alysia   please post the link as your tag perhaps, because you also have music up there as well as the written word, supporting TMI as well the intentions of this board.  judgment is a sad thing to do on one another, young and old. I'm looking forward to a new world. I hope I live that long, but oh well, going home is ok too.

I have the right to make fun of Jesus because I am Jesus.  I am everyone and I am everything.  If I want to tell a funny story about me being Jesus, then that is what I am going to do because that is the path I took at that moment.  But eventually my path will lead me back to the source consciousness because that is where I came from and that is where I am returning, regardless of whether or not I share the same view of Jesus as someone else.  Perhaps my reference of consciousness here on earth is not shared by Jesus, but at the source level, my consciousness is shared by him and everyone else.

Outofbodydude:

The feeling I get from you is that you're a young whipper snapper. Have to go through some growing pains just like the rest of us. If you're not careful the growing pains you'll have to go through will be mighty rough.  

I had a dream the other night. I was on a bus with a young drunk guy who was playing with a gun. I took it away from him and turned the safety on. Then I figured that because he was drunk, he'd probably cause the safety to come off. So I decided to not give the gun back to him. Turned out he had another. This young drunk guy was a guy I barely knew from high school. I couldn't figure out why I had a dream with him. Then I saw your photo, and you remind me of him. Some other guy was on the bus. I don't remember who. There were also a man and woman who represented divine spirit in some way.





I Am Dude wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 2:54pm:

I have the right to make fun of Jesus because I am Jesus.

Recoverer

You cannot make assumptions about me based on my posts.  If you knew anything about me and my past, you wouldn't be saying anything of the sort.  I know middle age people who haven't been through the amount of sh*t that I have endured.  Did you ever think that perhaps there is a reason why I joined this board, that there was a reason why I decided to become a spiritual person?  It was not a meaningless decision, Ill tell you that.  If you care for details I will be happy to provided them via PM if you are that interested or if you have doubts.  But Im sure you have better things to do, right?  I am just where I need to be, don't worry about me.. I found the answers I needed during my spiritual awakening, and stopped posting here simply because more important things arose in my life.  But you will see more of me here.  I know you missed me  ;D

I'm sorry you couldn't get his space to come up because Dude has much valuable insight he expressed over there in a visionary way, in terms of humanity, our collective belief systems.  in keeping with the intentions of his thread, of Gateway Experiences I for one, and I'm sure many would like to see what he's learning when he lifts up from his usual 3 dimensional C1 Limited consiousness areas. which btw, we are all in C1 when we post for the most part, so we're missing a lot of pieces to human psyche, a mind balanced left to right as Monroe teaches.
so now as I see it, we're getting off the topic of his intentions. As far as nonjudgment, it's in the bible. u might ask yourself what would JC feel, say and do, when reading Dude, I'm sure he would come from a place of higher understanding Dude's purposes and would not react emotionally, neither does such a high being get defensive in any way, JC says love others as you love yourself.

you might look at the punch line of Dude's post, that about says it all, about being more sensitive, not hurting each other, but reaching out to each other. we are in a shift in consciousness, we need each other. I'm trying my best not to say something stupid now, but the fact is the beginning of wisdom is to admit we know nothing about nothing.
therefore we might learn something.

Dude is a budding flyer, phaser, even as Monroe was/is, as we all can develop this, can we just invite him to continue his explorations without a lot of personal opinions that subtly suggest they don't know what they're talking about? I can't JC saying that to anybody. he might say something like "I will make you fishers of men." (includes women :)  well, good heavens Albert, look what this boy wonder has done to you, he's got you hooked! haha!
lets not react to posts we disagree with too much with defensiveness but see what their intentions are. spirit can reveal that for you if you want to follow Christ love.
Christ consciousness is a wholly balanced state, the left to the right, it doesn't judge, nor react, does not feel threatened, does not fear, it only sees perfection, therefore it creates perfect love, it always gives the person hurting a 2nd chance. and a 3rd chance. and etc.
The Christ is at your door 24/7 knocking. it doesn't hurt that much to let PUL come in; just a little twinge of unrest actually, then everythings ok.
See sticky stuff not there. see love, teach only love. even when they throw tomatoes at you, teach love.

If JC was here, what would he answer to each person? Would JC say to Dude, wow, dude, like, you've been dropped on your head seriously, better take up your cross and follow me?  this new generation we have here has no cross to pick up like the rest of us might be clinging to the old rugged cross. would JC say that, or would he say something like  I went out of body myself on many occassion, I did appear in two places on occassion, I did transcend the body, the father is in me, the father therefore is in you too, because I have overcome, I believe that faith will make you whole and you too can overcome. I don't think JC would say go and stick a sword of truth in my enemies and defend my honor. Thats not his way. He would probably say forgive them, for they know not what they do.
so if you practice forgivness you are stepping up your vibes into enlightenment more quickly with each passing day because forgiving keeps you centered in love, which love for others is what JC preached and what we teach here about PUL. thats its pure love, when it holds no enmity for what another does say, no matter what they say, spirit tells you what to say without creating disruption. my opinion.

in the end we're all going to be equal possessing the same knowledge and standing so why don't we let heaven come to earth ahead of schedule? just a few more years is my feeling. yet as individuals we can help bring it in.

I know one thing :) I've been forgiven. we didn't do anything wrong to come to earth, we're not "bad." so don't heap guilt on someone else, because if you do tell them there's something wrong with them for not believing as u do, this creates a guilt pattern in them and in your own self, because we are all one, what we give out, we get back to us. if you hand out guilt, you will feel guilty that you didn't feel love for somebody. if u get mad, they can sense you're mad and they send the anger back to you. then we just continue the pattern forever.

blessings to all religions and although I don't worship TMI principles, they surely set me in the right direction and got me away from that old time religion ideas which separate god from us by telling us we can't be like him and do his deeds too. we may only be one short belief away from our miracles. I don't have to do battle anymore about anything. I don't even have to save anyone from false beliefs. all I have to do is see them as perfect and that helps them to see themselves as perfect, would not JC create this way? Could you see him slipping out of grace like a man would? I doubt it.
lets study each others obes, fascinating pioneering work going on here! this type of exploration brings us knowledge of our unlimited selves. I do believe JC went obeing and phasing 24/7 and was in a constant center of his oneness with all that is.

I wonder what kind of world this would be if we only saw the light and love shining in each soul? actually there would be no need to come into body at all. except for the sheer experience of experiencing separation from our wholeness. Someday all the concrete may disappear. how wierd. A green planet again. clean waters. no blood spilled, no rape, no pillage, no tears to mop up. its mind boggling.


thanks for working with me on the other levels Albert.
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Outofbodydude:

Whatever your background is, if you are currently denying the life of Jesus Christ----perhaps you need to discern things better than you have.



I Am Dude wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 3:33pm:

Recoverer You cannot make assumptions about me based on my posts.  If you knew anything about me and my past, you wouldn't be saying anything of the sort.  I know middle age people who haven't been through the amount of sh*t that I have endured.  Did you ever think that perhaps there is a reason why I joined this board, that there was a reason why I decided to become a spiritual person?  It was not a meaningless decision, Ill tell you that.  If you care for details I will be happy to provided them via PM if you are that interested or if you have doubts.  But Im sure you have better things to do, right?  I am just where I need to be, don't worry about me.. I found the answers I needed during my spiritual awakening, and stopped posting here simply because more important things arose in my life.  But you will see more of me here.  I know you missed me  ;D

Alysia:

Perhaps during this point of his life outofbodydude needs some people who aren't going to coddle and pamper him. Sometimes "yes, yes, yes" people, aren't what we need. It is clear from his post on this thread and past threads that he writes with the purpose of denying that Jesus Christ ever walked on this planet.

recoverer wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 3:45pm:

Alysia: Perhaps during this point of his life outofbodydude needs some people who aren't going to coddle and pamper him. Sometimes "yes, yes, yes" people, aren't what we need. It is clear from his post on this thread and past threads that he writes with the purpose of denying that Jesus Christ ever walked on this planet.

I'm not coddling him. this is what my truth is. if I change my mind I'll let you know. I do believe that u missed Dude's post where he visited with Jesus. with your attitude, we'll never get to see it again. it was inspiring as I recall. I think u already have your mind made up that he is denying JC, I see JC as instructing him what needs to be expressed or presented, yes, publicly.

Alysia:

I believe you're refering to the post where the presence of Christ visited outofbodydude on a bus. This is why I suggested that dude must've been hit on the head or something. Christ was good enough to visit him on the bus, yet he continues to write posts which deny that Christ ever existed as Jesus of Nazareth, and basically makes a joke out of the existence of Jesus. One would think that if one were visited by the presence of Christ, one would have feelings of humility, grattitude, loyalty and love later on. Dude expressed such feelings immediately after his experience, but at some point got lost.

Regarding Jesus Christ instructing him as far as what needs to be expressed, would he really instruct him to say that he never existed in human form? What would be the point of doing so?

Just think of it. If Dude were correct, then any source of information that speaks as if Jesus of Nazareth existed, should be thrown out the window, in favor of what Dude has to say. This includes sources of information that assert the existence of Jesus of Nazareth when they purposely try to put him down, such as Seth and Elias.

DUDE:

Have you ever heard the expression, "don't count your chickens until they are hatched?"





LaffingRain wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 3:59pm:

recoverer wrote on Jun 27th, 2007 at 3:45pm: Alysia: Perhaps during this point of his life outofbodydude needs some people who aren't going to coddle and pamper him. Sometimes "yes, yes, yes" people, aren't what we need. It is clear from his post on this thread and past threads that he writes with the purpose of denying that Jesus Christ ever walked on this planet. I'm not coddling him. this is what my truth is. if I change my mind I'll let you know. I do believe that u missed Dude's post where he visited with Jesus. with your attitude, we'll never get to see it again. it was inspiring as I recall. I think u already have your mind made up that he is denying JC, I see JC as instructing him what needs to be expressed or presented, yes, publicly.

well I didn't see Dude expressing that Jesus of Nazareth did not exist as a man.
I saw a metaphor expression. I see spirit behind this thread to expose many collective beliefs about religion which cause holy wars. I see this thread reflecting the tensions of the world. I see us as just pawns to bring it out, that we don't treat each other right, that we kill and maim and injure in the name of god's righteousness as if god commissioned us. exactly what the bombers must have felt, that they were right to dive into our buildings as surely god was wishing that be done. if we have not love, I believe then is where we get our lost souls.
I'll let you guys have the thread as it gets tiresome.  love is something we all believe in, maybe we should just remember the love part and forget fixing each other.

while u guys are hashing things out like men do, remember how treacherous can be the ego to conceal from you love, and truth and our intrinsic oneness.

Here are the words from this thread where Dude wrote that Jesus didn't exist. He even included four exclamation points at the end of a key sentence:

"I went back to earth to visit some friends.

I appeared in front of my good friend Bruno, and he saw me.  

After freaking out, he said.. I always knew you were real, Jesus!  

THen I responded... I am not real! I am in your imagination, dummy! There is no Jesus!!!!"

In the past dude has put a lot of effort into saying that Jesus of Nazareth never existed. He did so even after he was reportedly visisted by his presence.  Part of his conclusions are based on what second rate psuedo intellectuals have to say about the matter.



LaffingRain wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 4:32pm:

well I didn't see Dude expressing that Jesus of Nazareth did not exist as a man. I saw a metaphor expression. I see spirit behind this thread to expose many collective beliefs about religion which cause holy wars. I see this thread reflecting the tensions of the world. I see us as just pawns to bring it out, that we don't treat each other right, that we kill and maim and injure in the name of god's righteousness as if god commissioned us. exactly what the bombers must have felt, that they were right to dive into our buildings as surely god was wishing that be done. if we have not love, I believe then is where we get our lost souls. I'll let you guys have the thread as it gets tiresome.  love is something we all believe in, maybe we should just remember the love part and forget fixing each other. while u guys are hashing things out like men do, remember how treacherous can be the ego to conceal from you love, and truth and our intrinsic oneness.

Ok people.

My NDE story was 100% fictional.

It was a joke.

I'm sorry you did not realize that.. I see why you are so upset Recoverer, you must think I really am Jesus and I am denying myself.

Ok. It was fictionnnnn.

Recoverer, give me your address.  Ill send you  a box of tissues.  BOW!!!

laffingrain,
I don't write much on this forum but I always read it and learn things from it.
I am really happy to see that you are really a deep one and that you have the way of thinking that you do, for me Dude has contributed enormously to this forum and i find Recoverer's reaction wayy too much...it really made me sad to think that a person who is supposed experienced in such matters can decline so much from pure unconditional love so easily and  attack in that way. In any case, i want to believe that Recoverer was just in a bad day...Laffingrain you are a treasure here, and Dude...take care man ;)

If I had to do it a thousand times over again, I wouldn't do differently than I did. This isn't the first time in which Dude has written to state that Jesus never lived. If people can't see why this is wrong it is their loss.

When people write about PUL like Antwnhs wrote about PUL, they are writing about a concept of PUL. Having love in your heart doesn't mean that you have to be deaf, dumb, and stupid.

Here are two words other than pure unconditional love: "Divine love." When people experience divine love, they find that feelings such as humility, reverence, grattitude, respect, loyalty and devotion are a part of the package. Such feelings for Christ cause a person to take notice and respond when people talk nonsense about him. To suggest that a person doesn't stand for love because they stand up for Christ, is ridiculous and reflective of the prejudices of a person who suggests such a thing.


Antwnhs and Alysia:

Where were you when Dude, Dabears, Chumley, Seth, Elias etc have written the nonsense they've written about Christ? Why didn't you feel as if they should tune into love when they wrote the dribble they wrote? Why are you so quick to defend them?

Here's another factor relating to PUL. Besides speaking up for Christ, I was trying to "help" outofbody dude. I don't believe it is spiritually beneficial for a person or the people a person influences to speak of Christ as flippantly as Dude does. If he doesn't want to listen to what I have to say, that's his choice. At least ways I tried, instead of taking the approach that if I'm going to live according to PUL, I can never say something critical of what another is doing.

well thanks someone gives me kudos, the pay is really lousy around here sometimes, was thinking to take a vacation..some of you guys are just brilliant and that makes me want to stay.
My post was I gave my best to Recoverer but it turns out to benefit someone else even if the one it was meant for didn't even read it well to see the effort that went there.

ever since I came here I used to be shy, I couldn't write my true feelings for fears I had to not be accepted just as I was. then I started caring about what others were feeling and I knew they felt the same way, that they couldn't speak their minds, they couldn't tell their most precious secrets, or else someone would say they were wrong, or nuts, or whatever, or someone would should on them. say, to say they should be Christians or they should be this or that, believe this or that. feel this or that.
I try to generate that freedom here to talk openly because we're supposed to be based on explorations.
when I first got here, one poster said I was trying to win a popularity contest. lol. that hurt! then another poster pegged me as "needy." then so on it went.

I noticed even my best friend was jealous of someone who was having a lot of experiences and took the time to share them at length. I suppose jealousy is a reality of being human. I was hoping we could get beyond jealousy sometime in this century.
I think I am so unrealistic sometimes. I really need everyone's help if we are to gain from what we learn in these unlimited areas of the mind and heart.

love is always the answer.

Dude's cerealic NDE story gave me quite a laugh...hahaha, Dude you're quite a guy. I even see some depth in this kind of humor, going against false respect and authority, opening freeways to some people, and illustrating how life sometimes is...bizarre.

But I too understand where Recoverer is coming from. Really. He is concerned that Dude is blocking an actual existing way for people to have access to wisdom through Jesus, as he himself has experienced it.

So I hope when people read the above they shouldn't get overly confused?!


Spooky

P.S.
May both sides of the force be with you...but get your hands off the third side, that's mine! Darth, I feel a quaking of the force when you're talking that way, so watch out  ;D

This morning I listened to gateway for the first time in almost 3 months.

I found myself in a deep meditative state.  I was day dreaming, random thoughts and images were coming into my mind, I was just letting the experience flow.

Suddenly I felt a deep heavyness all over.  Then something happened that never happened before.  I felt my arms sinking into icey cold snow.  In the altered state I was in, I felt my arms resting on top of very cold snow, and then sinking into it, covering both of my arms.  It was a heavyness mixed with coldness.  It was an extremely strange and unique sensation unlike any other.  It wasnt an ordinary heavyness or paraylsis side effect.

But then I blew it.  I knew that an OBE would soon follow, and since I havent had one for so long, I got excited.  Before the deep heavy paralysis enveloped my entire body, I started thinking... yes! this is awsome! and a million other thoughts, along with the thought... oh sh*t. I just blew it, didnt I. I knew that with these thoughts, my altered state was broken.  The heavyness faded and although I was still deeply relaxed and ready to give it another shot, I decided Id rather fall asleep this time.  I was dissapointed that I didnt get out, but its my first time back for a while so I cant expect much.... and the icey arms thing was realllly cool.

By the way, I was listening to wave 6.3   Its metamusic, very cool and relaxing stuff.

My few OBEs always came when I was sleeping, after a dream, and I had it twice that a coolness was filling me, starting at my back. It was cold, but comfortable.

What you said OOBD about your million thoughts coming back and hindered the OBE process I've heard from others too. It shows the challenge of it, because to let something exciting happen, staying conscious but not start to think overly is a difficult thing. But probably practice can make it easier (for some...).

Spooky

superb adventure Dude :) I've felt the cold only once, when I was 18 and trying to make a bunch of spirits get out. my teeth were chattering from the cold.
have also had the experience of becoming overly excited to be exiting; it seems to catapult one back into the body very fast, yet when i told myself I would stay calm and did the next time I still woke up to my disappointment, but definetely calm is better, when I get too excited I get scatter brained..hmmm...kind of a pun there :)

about the temperature drop, have heard its an etheric thing, cold is a normal thing that ghosthunters experience when tracking their ghosts and filming them.

I like your humor Dude.  Glad to see you back and sharing it with us.  Much wisdom can be found in humor and not taking everything so seriously.  

Rob

Since I had some luck with wave 6, I gave it another go.

This time I had even more success.

I was in trance after about 20 minutes, becoming more aware of my energy body and less aware of my physical body.  I now notice that when I enter paraylsis, I dont feel my physical body, but I do have great awareness of my energy body.  I felt a deep sinking sensation, and remained calm this time.  There were no separation sensations, I simply rose up out of my body.  It was dark, and traveling was very difficult because I did not have much energy.  I only made it to the ceiling, and the experience ended.  I tried one more time.  Separation was easy because I was already in deep meditation.  This time I slipped out from behind, falling out of my body.  This experience only lasted a few seconds, however.  Although the experiences were short, it was very cool because I have not had a conscious out of body experience for so long.  Its nice to know that I can have one with such ease.  More experiences will come...

no separation symptoms means to me a type of progress, and falling from the body is type of progress, it never seems to be the same in any two obes. you seem to be developing self confidence, making it easier on yourself.
looking forward to futher stories.