The desire is there, the knowledge is there, I've done it before, but for some reason my attempts at getting out a 2nd time are failing.  I seem to be falling asleep very quickly.  Perhaps tonight will be different we shall see :)

last night was draining.. I was anticipating to much and couldnt get out. I tried progressive relaxation techniques over and over and although I felt as though i could slip out at any time something was holding me back I eventually gave up and turned over on my belly and fell asleep. Today I felt very mentally drained. I hope tonight will be the night. I just bought this excellent book called Magical use of thought forms by Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki and J.H. Brennan some very intresting stuff in this book people! I'll let you know more about it after I read it. Anyway any help getting out would be greatly appreciated  thanks

Greetings kroan,

Lots of us share your experience in wanting to get out, then no go.
One thing that frequently helps is to do some deep breathing. Bruce's method suggests 3 deep breaths right before setting your intent, but I found that I had to also do the 3 breaths periodically throughout the day and not wait until right before going out. When we're busy/stressed, the extra breathing helps calm and restore our systems.
Your Guidance will protect you from doing practices that might not be good for you.  How's your general health? (Rhetorical question, just fr you to consider.)

Another thing that might help is stating clearly in your own mind that you do want to go OoB, that you do want to remember the experience, and that you do want protection while you're doing so. That may remove some unrecognized blocks; it has for others.

Much success and keep us posted, kroan!

bets
I hate to add this last note, bt if you post this above in the general topic "Afterlife Knowledge", you may get more response. Unfortunately many readers start at the top of the index, then run out of time before they get to the book section.   :)
Check out JamesBond's similar question up there called "Weird stuff happened."

try this Kroan: think about going obe with all details; where u go, what u do once there, maybe some flying, etc. imagine, imagine, imagine :) do this for 2 minutes minimum. next day do 2 more minutes same thing. then this next step very important. completely forget about the whole thing and relax into your life.
if you did your imagination detailed enough with feeling, something bound to happen if  u don't give up and take it easy, don't struggle with this. you're right, you  can drain yourself if not careful. love, alysia

Great advise from both of you thanks a ton. Is it possiable to become so proficient at astral travel that you virtually never fail to have an obe when you want to?

haha! you'd have to ask our man Monroe that question. I hear he's available for consultation and he did leave us a great book; a slice of himself. love, alysia

all i hear about is robert monroe in books, on this site, everywhere yet I've never read anything that he wrote...  some of the stuff i've read is

astral travel for beginners by richard webster
magical use of thought forms by ashcroft and brennan (just bought this it looks great havent read it yet)
angels companions in magick by ravenwolf
yan xin qigong and the contempory sciences by wozniak wu and wang
traditional acupuncture the law of the five elements by dianne m connelly phd
transform stress into vitality by mantak chia
bone marrow nei kung mantak chia and maneewan chia
fusion of the five elements by mantak chia and maneewan chia
a witches guide to ghosts and the supernatural by dunwich
akahic records by chaney
etheric anatomy by anderson
aura reading for beginners by webster
ALL of Konstantinos's books (6 of them)
Spells ceremonies and magic by Wippler

>> I read alot more but these books were my favorite

Kroan,


An important point to remember: not all your experiences will be matched by those that write about them. If you feel something important is happening, follow it. It may be that you are resisting guidances because it didn't "occur" for those with whom you are familiar.

Forigve....slight correction:


If your experiences do not match the experiences of another (i.e., in the books you've read) do not discount the experience. Follow your feeling. You are your best judge on what works and what doesn't. Trust yourself.

The assistance of some "Pure Unconditional Love" would certainly be valuable.  If you are having trouble remembering a time of "Love" then ask for assistance from any higher being you desire whether it be a loved one, Robert Monroe or a Guardian Angel.  As a matter of fact, I will experiment:  I have sent you a cube filled with "PUL" just now; do what you want with it.

Σ,
Steve Ed

what did you mean about sending me a cube filled with pul  I assume pul is pure unconditional love but what do you mean you sent me a cube of it?

That was an experiment I attempted with remote assistance that assumed that Pure Uncon. Love can be packaged as an object of sorts.  The concept is like me mailing you a battery for your flashlight so that it shines brighter; a way of assisting without imposing a wish upon you in any way.  Also, I am intrigued by the idea that love extends further beyond hugs and kisses and is in fact a force unto iteself.

With Respect,
Steve Ed.

Well I sure do need a little pul right now. Withought going into much detail i've been having alot of problems at work which could greatly effect my income. I sure could use some positive vibes on this one

dear Kroan: I don't know what happened at your workplace but probably has something to do with your relationship with a boss or coworkers..as well self image.

what Steve is doing is to remind us that good intentions, or PUL, is what works best for any sort of nonphysicial explorations such as obes included that you are interested in.

so heres my suggestion since u asked ;)

figure out the question in words, write the question down. just one question at a time reduces the confusion.
write it on paper, very important.
put it under your pillow so you will remember you have the question and the intention to solve somthing.
think about it each night until you may get a dream message or have a very vivid dream or even obe because you yourself have set the whole thing in motion.
if you want money ask how you can serve another first and your money will come.
if you want to go obe ask your higher self if you can, or should. wait and see what happens.
love, alysia

thanks, although none of this has anything to do with self image. A man who has always disliked me got into a position of power a month ago and he has started messing with me and a few other people by moving us into horriable departments where basically bran new people go not experienced people like myself who have been doing this job for 15 years.  Anyway no one in the company can believe what has happened to me and other people have tried to get me back into a more favorable department but this guy just wont allow it :(  aww well  its just one of lifes little crosses.. thanks anyway Alyssa

ok, Kroan believe it or not I was seeing some problems like that in that workplace.
heres just my suggestion when I had problems similar: you can try it or not, but it always works for me and gives me an obe:  see the person in your mind who you have a problem with, see him with a higher self. say you want to talk to their higher self, go to sleep after concentrating on this, that you meet with them.

what would happen for me I would meet this person's guide out there and we would come up with a peaceful solution. it always suprised me others have guides too, not just me.

also, you would have an intention for going obe then. it always helps to have a genuine intention to produce an obe, although sometimes it's first a lucid dream, works just as good.

good luck and sorry, you're right, we all got thru this sort of thing at one time or another. love, alysia

Wow, i'll try that Alyssia. Thats a pretty high level solution considering i've yet to meet even my own guide but i'll try it.

I'd love to meet a guide I just havent yet.  Also you mentioned that you saw sometyhing like that going on in that work place. what do you mean?

well Kroan I hope you will meet a guide or helper. you probably will if you want to and be persistent to think about it. :)   they look ordinary to me. one guide was smoking a pipe, lol, he knew I have a tendency to relax when i see pipe smoking...maybe something to do with another life...
but they are ordinary and work off what's in your mind, how you want or expect them to appear. everybody has one or more, some stick around, some stay a long time like an assignment.
can be a family member too.

when u said in another post you needed PUl, or a prayer, I think u mentioned money...I thought it was job related...it was like logical...everybody I've met has problems in the work place. I saw more dynamics than just one person going on. I didn't see specific, except I mentioned self image, that u might have a block which causes you to not be promoted..you may feel you need to undergo this problem as a spiritual challenge.

you know you will have to learn to forgive those who do you badly at some point..that is the real challenge.
love, alysia

I know unconditional love :) ....     Oh Alyssia I ordered 2 new books and I got them yesterday  Astral Dynamics by robert bruce and Mastering Astral Projection by robert bruce. Both came highly recomended by other members of this site so I figured I'd try them. I'm 40 pages into Astral Dynamics and it looks great i'll let u know how it is  :)  

ok! please do, I think RB is highly advanced in projection techniques, so let me know how it goes.

will do  :)