Are we in the end times?everytime I look in the paper,or see the news,There is nothing but war.Killings of our young and hate is everywhere.Why dont people love each other.Do anyone of us have an answer to this madness.If only people could see the light.Love George

Hi george i think we are in the end times , all the revelations are coming true ,their is still love about george but it is being slowly overcome more and more by hate and destruction it is a sad fact one we all have to realise,i believe when the second coming of our christ ,which i beleive will happen soon ,their will be a new earth and all the hate and destruction and wars will be no more only love then will prevail love deanna

Sitting under the tree,
watching a setting sun,
we notice darkness falling.
Patiently, we wait.
The sun returns before us,
glorious and new.
Its sparkling light fills the sky.

love, blink

Yes George, I believe we are in the end times. But it's the end times of the way it's been for many, many years (eons?). Things are changing and will be for the good as we get closer to 2012. But I feel it will get worse before it gets better. That's why it's best if we stay centered/balanced so that we don't get thrown off the path.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hi George I wrote this poem the other day and i always get many of my words from spirit,and the words in the poem that were given to me said

"The visions of rapture, are at hand", and i did not realise that i had written these words until i read back through the poem.

I feel there is a message from spirit from these words.Something is definetly coming which will change everything forever.Jesus will visit the earth plain again.

Love and God bless you George  Juditha

Hi George-
Looking back over history I wonder if there has ever been an era in which it was NOT the "end times"for some group. The idea that the entire cosmos must be drawn through the same cosmic knothole seems a bit rough on those who are still beginners. But for the experienced older souls it seems more likely that in every age there is a call to return to God - not the Christ in the sense of resurrected Jesus, but the Christ in the sense of the term we apply to God when we focus on the property of being a Guide and Redeemer by which we are brought back to oneness after we have strayed into material self gratification and pride, as opposed to spiritual unity that brings love, wisdom and the simple joy of living a good life.

Whether this will be a more significant era remains to be seen. We certainly are approoachig the carrying capacity for the planet, and roughly doubling population every 32 years - figure  96 more years to create 8 times more people - The gloomy predictions of Parson Malthus lie just over the horizon. My guess is that my grandchildren will see the Big Change, but that we're still in what will eventually be called "The Good Ol' Days".
dave

My own take on things is that we are not in the end of times for all of humanity on earth, though admittedly, I can't prove this.  I do think that with the nuclear bomb being more readily available, and with certain terrorist organizations proclaiming the random killing of innocent noncombatants as legitimate, that we may likely see these terrible bombs exploding in major cities throughout the world.  In the past, the deterrence was that the USA, China and former USSR cared too much about the devastation of nuclear weapons and their own children to be the first to use such as weapon.  The modern terrorist on a Jihad has no such care.

So I think there are going to be major earth changes, tragedies/devastations, but though mankind will adapt and change,  I see no reason right now to believe that we are in the very "end of times."


M

Hi George, all. I think each of us brings peace to the world in our own way. I believe it starts in the family unit and extends out. if u take care of your small world more people take that example it can be catching but agree that come 2012 we may have seen many earth changes and skirmishes but we will all ride it out because we are adaptable creatures and because deep down there is something holy in each of us because god don't make junk. thats the simplest way I can put it. and if there is any atheists here who believe this life is all there is, you would still have an obsession with god to proclaim to not believe in anything else but physical. for what you deny has a way of becoming real. (nobody is going to understand that, will they?)
anyway you can't run from the thing you don't believe in. it catches up somehow.
and George, don't believe the news. they get paid for that hype, is the ratings are important to them, not the truth.  it is not as bad as it looks, my opinion, and his eye is on the sparrow, you bet!!! :)

The end of one era, the beginning of another.  Of course the media likes to show death and destruction.  They seek out the drama otherwise they would be out of a job.  But what is not visible, and what they can't show, is that there is more light in the world than any other time in human history.  More people wishing to live in peace.  The balance has already tipped to the point where the old prophecies of the past can't apply anymore.  At one time, up until just a decade or so ago, they they might have applied, but not anymore.  Even the players that were supposed to help facilitate the end times are not around anymore.  Humanity is on a new track.

Strange that we would choose to be born in a world that everyone thought would destroy itself.  I guess we are masters afterall.

I agree Maytec :) I always say in the world we only need 50% of the peace vote plus one more person's vote. plus, rock n roll will never die. hey hey now now...

Mactek wrote on Nov 1^st, 2006 at 12:35am:

The end of one era, the beginning of another.  Of course the media likes to show death and destruction.  They seek out the drama otherwise they would be out of a job.  But what is not visible, and what they can't show, is that there is more light in the world than any other time in human history.  More people wishing to live in peace.  The balance has already tipped to the point where the old prophecies of the past can't apply anymore.  At one time, up until just a decade or so ago, they they might have applied, but not anymore.  Even the players that were supposed to help facilitate the end times are not around anymore.  Humanity is on a new track. Strange that we would choose to be born in a world that everyone thought would destroy itself.  I guess we are masters afterall.

Not to sound doom and gloom, but this age is the first one that has a mechanism for a truly global world government.  It also has the first class of hyper-powerful individuals woven into the world of international banking and multi-national coorporations whose power exceeds and dictates the policies of countries...all the while they themselves have no loyalty to any nation or people...only power and wealth.  This is unique to the modern age and has not truly existed at any point up to the last couple of decades.  There have been empires, but not a truly encompassing worldwide mechanism and core of power elites who truly span ALL continents.

The population of the world is also hitting a peak and tensions within the world are certainly building with the enormous economic pressures and resource issues of an exploding populace.  Something has to give at some point, as the status quo is not sustainable in any way, shape, or form.

The time is ripe for a "world government" to emerge, and I would be very wary of any singular individual who becomes the chairman or premiere of said organization.

The consolidation is underway...European countries into the EU, the US/Canada/Mexico now being proposed into the "North American Union" and much more...

the masses might desire peace, but they are quickly devolving into an enormous underclass that is at the behest of a small group of transnational elites.  This is certainly and unequivocally happening in the US with the rapid erosion of the middle class.

we are at the end of an era...don't worry about it though. earth will go through a cleansing process surrounding 2012...

heirloom wrote on Nov 1^st, 2006 at 3:38am:

we are at the end of an era...don't worry about it though. earth will go through a cleansing process surrounding 2012...

could someone be more specific on this cleansing

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we are at the end of an era...don't worry about it though. earth will go through a cleansing process surrounding 2012...

Yes, I too am very interested to know what this will be.

Having read in the past about sects that disappeared up mountains to await the end of the world and then nothing happened I wondered how they all felt afterwards? Complete idiots, or did they still have some excuse?
Similarly, I do wonder how members here will feel if nothing comes to fruition around that date.

roger  :-?

What is the purpose of prophecy?  Is it not simply a warning of what could be?

If its only purpose is to tell what will be, with no possible other outcomes, then it is useless.  However, if it is a warning..then it serves a purpose that can be changed.

If I were a prophet (and I'm not), and I were to say "So and so will die on this day, in this manner, at this place," and all they had to do to prevent my "prophecy" from coming true was to be at another place..so, they did that, did I serve my purpose?  Or was I a liar?

Since the time of the early prophets..many things have changed.  I think that sort of makes the prophecies change.

End of the world?  I don't think so.

I don't think theres any end time coming, the earth maybe in transition but that dose not mean were all doomed. There will be through this time many natural disasters, and those who are meant to transition will. I sometimes feel this type of conversation leads know where fast, it has the ability to defocus some, so as they take the attitude of why try if where all going to die anyway, when the truth is we must focus on our journeys and work through our issues.

We all have issues, thats why we incarnated in the first place to do the work required. I've been a work in progress for so long now, when something new comes up for me I've begun to think, God when will it end. I've even got to the stage where I bore myself with all this stuff. But as I've said this is what I came here for and I'm not one to let the team down. So III at least know when I transition I've put my best effort in.Don't want to be disappointed at my life review.

Well said, LightR_on, and I completely agree with you 100 percent.  

Life is what it is. Today is the day that matters. :)

We make a difference, each of us, by what we do and say each day, for ourselves and others, and we each have a new opportunity every time we open our eyes in the morning.

When I listen to others bemoan this or that, the state of the world, the tragedies to come, the "futility" of it all, it is in my nature to sometimes automatically follow those thoughts into a downward spiral. But then I realize that "I" am not the downward spiral unless I choose to be.

And when I fall unconsciously into a downward spiral myself, in my thoughts or words, I depend on others to help lift me up. All that matters is that we be there for each other, live and learn...we'll find our way.

In my opinion, love, blink

wrote on Nov 1^st, 2006 at 10:57am:

Well said, LightR_on, and I completely agree with you 100 percent.   Life is what it is. Today is the day that matters. :) We make a difference, each of us, by what we do and say each day, for ourselves and others, and we each have a new opportunity every time we open our eyes in the morning. When I listen to others bemoan this or that, the state of the world, the tragedies to come, the "futility" of it all, it is in my nature to sometimes automatically follow those thoughts into a downward spiral. But then I realize that "I" am not the downward spiral unless I choose to be. And when I fall unconsciously into a downward spiral myself, in my thoughts or words, I depend on others to help lift me up. All that matters is that we be there for each other, live and learn...we'll find our way. In my opinion, love, blink

Just to clarify, the individual never has to be in a "downward spirial", but that does not mean that there are not objective realities about the world staring us in the face that will have tremendous impact upon economic conditions and social upheaval.  If you take a step back and look at the world, as I said in my earlier post, you will see undeniably that we are at a very unique time in history unparralleled to any other time..There have always been plagues, disasters, wars, empires, etc. etc but there has never been a secular globalist power as there is today, whether it is the banking networks, the transnational corporations or the governmental structures that are, for the first time, capable of being in control of all nations on the planet.  You can see this in the USA as there are incredible strains occurring as there is increasing advocacy for putting adherence to International Law or UN law to priority over the US constitution.  These strains are present everywhere on the planet, and with the current banking systems in place through the IMF, World Bank, and BIS countries are truly not in control of their own economic situations anymore.  

I am not saying that this is definitive signs of "end times", but it is, in point of fact, a unique and unprecedented time in history and people should always be vigilant and wise to what trends or realities are growing in the world.

Mass poverty on a scale unprecedented and other ills could very well be the result of a small gang living large at the top of the heap, and even if that isn't fulfillment of a prophecy, it will create realities of tremendous burdens and struggles for people just trying to make ends meet who will be too exhausted to focus on spirit.  That is my concern, and one that troubles me greatly.

Social Justice must be paramount and we must be "wise as serpents" when dealing with the "lower vibration" forces out there.

I think your perspective is right on, Newwayknight, and your summaries are accurate. Therefore, definitely, social justice continues to be worth striving for, in all arenas which any of us can influence. We all have a part to play in our world, but no one is truly powerless.  I believe that.  

Even at times or in places in which there seems little reason for optimism, I think we each need to do our part, as often as we can. Simple tolerance when that is beneficial, and activism where it is appropriate, if we are able and if we are ready. Spiritually, I think that every voice is heard, no matter what.

To be willing to sacrifice to help another can be as simple as valuing that voice and using it wisely at the right time, in the right place. Many people have shown us that one small voice is a powerful thing.  

That will never change, I suspect.

love, blink

LightRon said:So III at least know when I transition I've put my best effort in.Don't want to be disappointed at my life review
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I think this message was built into my genetic code dear light. well said.

The love in my heart tells me that end time theories are a misrepresentation and misinterpretation of what is in store with God's divine plan.

The love in my heart tells me that God and the beings of love and light who work with him are loving, wise and certainly capable enough to not set things up so that millions, perhaps billions of God's children don't end up in hell for all of eternity.

My common sense and research have shown me that some people have misrepresented what God and beings of love and light say about things such as end times, in order to further their political objectives.

My common sense and research tell me that a lot of people buy into such a way of thinking, because they are afraid that they will end up on the wrong side of the fence if they don't.

I believe that a person would be hard pressed to find even one being of love and light who believes in the doomsday perspective.

I do believe it is possible that there will be some changes. But going by the messages I've received from my guidance they "aren't" going to take place in a doomsday kind of a way. In various ways more love is going to come into the World. When more love comes into the World it will be impossible for the doomsday perspective to continue to a significant extent, because when one is moved by love they'll understand that no way God and his helpers would set things up so that millions/billions of souls end up in hell for all of eternity.

The doomsday way of thinking is so opposite of what actually goes on. Considering how light beings work so hard to help spirits who are stuck in various dark realms, why would they set things up so doomsday has to happen.

It is really sad that people get inspired when they watch the news, because they believe that it is proof that something such as the rapture is going to happen. It is really self centered and selfish to feel estatic about something such as the rapture, when it implies that millions/billions of souls are going to end up suffering in hell for all of eternity. This way of viewing things is so lacking in love.

You can't judge what is going on in the World by the news alone.  They don't tend to tell you about all of the people who know how to live according to love.  

Here's another way of looking at things.

People don't end up doing bad things because they are inately evil. They do so because they become confused. Becoming confused is part of the game while we're down here. We each become confused in our own way. People who become confused so they end up doing bad things, just happen to be people who get involved with negative possibilities. For example, a person who becomes angry after being abused all through his or her childhood.

Sure it's always possible to tune into our inner divinity and find love and light there. But life proves that it isn't always that easy to do so. Each of us gets confused so that instead of looking within, we become angry, afraid and depressed at times to varying to degrees, according to the level of confusion we have developed.

Certainly God and beings of love and light understand this. When they see a brand new baby they understand that such a baby doesn't choose a life of darkness right then and there.  They understand that because the World exists in the manner it now exists, it is very possible that a brand new baby might end up getting confused according to the circumstances that exist, and end up needing their loving help some day when they end up in a dark realm.

If finding the divinity within were such an automatic thing, people wouldn't become confused to the extent they do.

Considering the above, why would God and beings of love and light set things up so that millions/billions of souls end up in hell for all of eternity?

I don't buy the satan argument, because anything that is created by something that is infinite,  is way to finite to stand up to that which created it. For how could something which is finite stand up against something that is infinite?

When it comes to the negative influences that do exist, these are beings who are confused in a dark way, and for the most part they can only influence beings who are already confused in a similar way. For example, if a really mean person handed a clear thinking man a gun and told him to shoot himself in the head, certainly this clear thinking man wouldn't be abliged to do so.

I love what you have said here, Recoverer....I, too, find no logic in the idea that a universe designed by a loving Creator would allow any beings to suffer infinite punishment for mistaken beliefs as fallible humans.  By interacting with each other and correcting our mistakes we become beings of greater depth and understanding, and...when you think about it, is a lifetime of an average of 70 years enough for any of us to develop to our greatest potential? For many people it is simply not enough time. I would have to say, for all of us...for is there a man or woman among us who has nothing left to learn in life?

Logically, there simply must be more to this story if we believe in a love that is infinite, and a greater power which creates all that is.

love, blink

Higher Love
Steve Winwood (Winwood/Jennings)


Think about it, there must be higher love
Down in the heart or hidden in the stars above
Without it, life is a wasted time
Look inside your heart, I'll look inside mine
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

Worlds are turning and we're just hanging on
Facing our fear and standing out there alone
A yearning, and it's real to me
There must be someone who's feeling for me
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring be a higher love
I could rise above on a higher love

I will wait for it
I'm not too late for it
Until then, I'll sing my song
To cheer the night along
Bring it...Oh bring it...

I could light the night up with my soul on fire
I could make the sun shine from pure desire
Let me feel that love come over me
Let me feel how strong it could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?



M

wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2006 at 1:50am:

I love what you have said here, Recoverer....I, too, find no logic in the idea that a universe designed by a loving Creator would allow any beings to suffer infinite punishment for mistaken beliefs as fallible humans.

I agree. I've read that such a statement that non believers of Christianity for example, would go to hell for all eternity has no basis. Even in the Bible it is a mis-translation of an old text that really says 'eon' or an age, but not eternal. Atleast that's what I've seen in my afterlife research on the WWW

Exellent post Doc! I love that song.

I agree also Recoverer & blink. That's something that has always bothered me about the religions. God is love and can only act out of love.

Are animals in the afterlife? What about animals such as cows, chickens, turkeys, fish, etc.? What about our pets? Where do they go when their bodies die?

everything that breads has a spirit,and they all have relm to go to.George

sure, theres animals there, but no cockroaches unless you like them :) and no militant flies either.

Thank you Blink and Traveler.

I knew that Steve Winwood has some nice melodies, but I didn't know that he had nice words.  Maybe I should check him out.

Didn't he record a really nice song called "sailing," or something like that?

Jesus said:"There will be wars and rumors of wars, but this is not the end."

So then, we should ask; what is the end?
The end is when we stop following the belief system of this world and adopt the principles of love that Jesus had taught and lived and died by. In selflessness and unconditional love we offer our lives as helpers in service for the benefit of all others.
Does that sound like the end of this world to you? Disolving a world defined in conflict, fear and hate with acts of unconditional love sounds good to me.

Hi Michael..Jesus also supposedly proclaimed that unbelievers will be cast into a lake of fire..how is that love?

hi Shirley..I'm sort of a closet Jesus freak and if I meet anybody who said that he said only the elite could get into heaven I might want to punch them... :-*  sometime in the not too distant future we are all going to heal this old world, just like I'm sure he meant us to understand, we are no different than he was when he was a man. meanwhile, I should control myself when I come across the lies that are spread, or perhaps to be nice, misinterpretations that are purported to be the truth. they gave him a really bad rap but he knew it would happen. almost all great souls get strung up, and then they turn around and worship them later. geez...what a crazy world.. :-X
I know you've had some bad experiences with religious misinformants..I have too, try this on for size...was tricked into going into a small room to meet an exorcist because I divulged I had spoken to spirits. I won. :D
nowdays its like u can't even talk about J without a big argument happening, but his message was pure love with no price tag, no judgment on it. we don't know how to relate without our judgments on others though but maybe we can learn to forgive each other faster? that means I can't punch anyone!!! :(  rats.  I'm joking but serious too. theres too much lip service to a religion..we gotta bring it home to working on ourselves..not the whole world, just ourselves. I'm glad you moved away from those who gave you a hard time. I think you're just fine who you are. love is the way.

A voice told me many nations will be distroyed.he said the USA and Canada will also be,and only the outer most reaches of canadas north will be speared,and that this will happen in the next 6 years.George

george, I don't want to believe that voice. we can change things. prophecies do not serve the highest good unless they offer us a solution..not the problem. I'm not saying it wasn't a real voice or spirit told u this, I'm just saying we all can focus on construction thoughts not destruction thoughts and help each other that way.

That's kind of my thinking..the best prophecies are those that can be averted, no?

Sorry for my comment..and come  to think of it, it wasn't J who said those things anyway, but his followers?  Actually, he never wrote anything. His disciples/buddies/friends wrote it all down, and I think most of it got distorted in the retelling..

Yes, I think the old prophecies have been diverted..had certain changes not taken place within the Earth and human consciousness..perhaps the end would have already happened?

You know me well, Alysia..these are my "hot buttons"and I should leave well enough alone..

All you need is love..love..love is all you need..

hi again, yes we can't see the whole picture what happened back then, just word of mouth situation :-X   like the blind leading the blind. you've heard of if theres a situation where for example, theres an incident, and witnesses are called upon. each one will have seen different things that others missed or seen differently. this is a fact of human nature. I have no reason to believe those way back in linear time have any more holdings in truth than you or I. I do like the part in the bible talks about love, Corinthians, I think it is, some of it pretty neat except for the old timey language that is so stiff...although I have no idea who said what and don't really care. all paths will lead to the same place; somewhere where everybody treats everybody as if their voice actually counted.

I remember when the year 2000 was going to be the big one! It came and went and no
Jesus..Now its 2012..It will come and go like the year 2000...It seems these christians
want all these horrible things to happen to humanity..millions of innocent babies, children,
adults, killed for the pleasure of their warlord type God...But thats not all!! Their spirit
bodies or Astral bodies will suffer in the eternal fire...How sadistic?!!...But. On a lighter
note. If this Jesus guy comes..What a big production number it would be. All those
reporters and TV networks trying to get the first interview...Imagine how much the
advertising time would cost? I think Oprah will get him first. What would he be wearing?
Nike? Addidas? Reebok?...Maybe one of those top french or italian designers would make
him a fabulous silk one piece seamless gown?..A world sold out tour would follow, thousands
trying to get his autograph...Now who gets the healings and who don't?..Will he bring back
the King-Elvis? What would they charge for a ticket to one of his sermons? Every kid would
want a Jesus doll for christmas..What a mad rush it would be at Toys 'R' Us . Jesus and the
twelve apostles trading cards, Oh NO! It cost me a small fortune with those basketball cards in the 1990's. and so on, and so on..Bye. GMan

jesus came to me as a spiritual presence of unconditional love growing within me.
that energy conquered the effects of this world upon me, bringing that world to an end.

I have another friend who talked with J, Michael, I believe you and I'm happy you and he walk together. you must have earned the visit somewhere someplace. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smiles/angel.gif

can you go into some of the details which filled your senses or even your heart? I think I could relate even if no one else believed you.

oh I see you used the energy concept thats easier to share. same thing happened to me back in the 80's.

I've received messages about Jesus and found that he did indeed come here as a messenger of God, his presence is still available to anybody who seeks his help, and he plays a MAJOR part in the spiritual evolution of mankind.

I've also been told that he has been misrepresented a lot, and it is a mistake to judge him accordingly.

For a while I was somewhat closed to the idea of Jesus. I'd go for walks and tell God, if Jesus is a part of your divine plan I'm all for him, because your plan means everything to me. But I can't just simply act as if Jesus is a key part of your plan, without really knowing. I would be lying if I did so.

Not too long afterwards I started to have experiences and receive messages which showed that Jesus is a key part of the divine plan. Not in a restrictive fundamentalist way. In a way that has to do with love and joy.

You can't find out what Jesus is about, if you're closed to finding out. After I opened up to finding out various blocks went away including heart chakra blocks.

I believe it is better to think of Jesus as a wonderful friend that you want to work with, rather than somebody you have to be obedient to or else.

Hi  God is always there and Jesus to help me through the bad times,i could not get along without there unconditional love,as i have had a few messages from spirit,and i know they are from our blessed saviour.i love God and Jesus so much.

I read somewhere that spirit said through a medium,that the world will never end.

But i also read somewhere that spirit said through a medium,that the spirits are getting ready to enter the war zone,and the first signs of this,will be blue flashing lights in the sky.

Love and God bless you all Juditha

The atheist is speaking.

I believe that the reason talk of the end times still exists is mainly because of wishful thinking (believe it) lol.

My roommate helped me come to this conclusion last night (my bro also) by coming home from work (waiter) and complaining that he was doing all the work. That is understandable but what he said next is not. (words from his mouth) The world has to end because people are so wicked and worthless.

He is saying this because I think he believes that by devoting himself to god he will be rewarded for his goodness and that these people (the worthless wicked ones) will be abolished.

There will be no end times (opinion) There will be no magnificent
return of christ. Every religion is a fairy tell put in place to control the masses.

Each of us has a part of the creator inside him. The greatest gift god gave us was the gift of individuality. So why do we keep trying to give it up????