Hi people,

Tuesday I was in my usual relaxation/meditation. I went to what feels like Focus 21 or a bit further. The surrounding was dark, like outer space. I met a woman, I wasn't sure if she was one of my usual helpers, but she picked up my thoughts and we had a conversation, she gave me some advice so I didn't thought about who it was. It was about how I improve my awareness there, to more let go my physical body, I had at this point of time an uncomfortable feeling at the stomach area, which sometimes is stronger when exploring. Also I thought of the abilities of a shield around the physical body (REBal in TMI terms). Now, this woman told me something like to make the silver cord thinner and more flexible to get more distance to the physical body, as well as to put a second, nonphysical body asleep near the physical body so that it could not interfere while exploring. She then started to do an exercise with me, which I already knew. I had to look with my eyes (I had a sort of body out there obviously) in her eyes/at her face, and imagine that my center is at the heart chakra position, both at the same time. Additionally, she held both my hands with both her hands. It worked good, I saw her face relatively clear for some moments.

Then something changed. My viewpoint zapped to a different position, a bit above, backwards and to the left, and I saw the woman and "me" from this new position. That "me" now was making movements as if exercising at the horizontal bar, having the bar at hip position, grabbed with both hands and stretched arms, and revolving round the horizontal bar. I found this very inadequate and tried to stop this, but it was very difficult, this revolving of me/my body continued again and again, I really had to put all my concentration on it to make it go away. I had repeating persistent scenes sometimes earlier. Don't know what it is.

When I finally pushed that scene away and my awareness was again face to face with the woman, her face quickly shapeshifts into something that looked like an insect face, two more than golf ball big spheric facetted eyes, and a narrow and a bit lengthy mouth area. The skull wasn't as big as a human it seemed, the face was dominated by the eyes. The general shape was like an old gas-mask of WorldWar 1. Now, with the shape also the behaviour had changed: This being became obtrusive, wanted to come nearer to me, and it wanted something from me, and it didn't politely asked, it was about to GET it. I was quite astonished as I couldn't remember to have experienced something similar. I kept it on distance somehow, and imagined to be connected with that white energy, let it flow through me and radiating it, as well as I thought by myself when you think of PUL there will be no fear. That had the effect that my surrounding started to look grey and hazy, didn't saw this alien anymore, but felt like it could be still around, so I called my usual helpers and my "big I". I felt and saw then a circle around me of many, foggy figures, and felt secure. I then left with helpers I knew.

Later I two times asked helpers/guidance about what it was. The first time they simply said nothing. Silence. The second time I got a bunch of confusing bits of informations which are not usable.

Don't know if it's important at all. It just came really unexpected. I don't think about aliens usually, and I hadn't thought of insects recently, and not about gas-masks.
I noticed also the thread Juditha started with this "bad spirit". A test? Images coming from hidden fears? I don't know.

That was a bit
Spooky

Hi Spooky!  Several thoughts, lets see if I can get them together..I had them while taking a shower..

My first thought has to do with the saying "I have a gut feeling.." or in other words, we feel fear and negativity first in the belly.  I've often used the phrase "I have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach." which means I just know something "bad" is going to happen, and its usually just related to some fear.

Fear for me is felt first in midsection too.

When we think of "bad" aliens, they usually have the attributes you described..which goes right back to out fears.

Perhaps this "alien" was trying to "get" your fear?  Of course, negativity feeds on fear, so that's a possibility also..that she needed to "feed."

It could also have been a mirror to something within you...that needed to be let go.  A test or a lesson, perhaps..aided by your guides.

Perhaps..if she returns to you in your meditations, you could ask her purpose? Ask what it is she seems to want to GET from you?

I wanted to add..while I was taking my shower (its early morning here, and still dark outside), I could see your alien in my mind's eye..and felt a sense of fear rising within me also..which for me, it seems to represent some "fear."

We are naturally repulsed by insectlike creatures..most likely an instinctive reaction as bugs bite you..

Greetings spooky,
Did you notice that in your second paragraph you were changing positions very many times? Would that be about some change of mind on some issue you are thinking about? Or--Do you know the name of that position (or one similiar) at the bar?---perhaps its name is a pun or clue for your puzzle.
On the other aspect, I agree with Shirley, because....
Not too long ago here a link to a site on aliens was posted. Did you go there? It was particularly fact-filled, well illustrated, and logically organized, etc. I did not look at it critically because I go to links from here wide-eyed and ready to believe, just because they came from here. No more! It's too easy to accidentally pick up ideas that really don't fit with my core beliefs. :P  Perhaps you have accidentally allowed some picture or writing on these insect-type critters to gain more of your thoughts than you intended. Even though you are usually quite courageous in your explorations, abit of their fear might have crept in.
Respectfully submitted :), bets

Spooky, did you see it's body?  What you described sounds like the mantis space beings but they are very friendly and kind and loving, one of the most loving of our space brothers. I have a mantis guide/mate in another dimension named Jukro.  And there is nothing to fear from them. I always wondered why I was so fascinated with the praying mantis and then I found out why when I met my guide. He first appeared to me in a TMI meditation group in a garden sitting on my chest. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn & Jukro

Hi Spooky I feel by reading your experience,that this woman is another spirit guide coming into your life,thats why she was giving you advice,also your fear came from the way she looked,because if we dont see a face ,that we call normal,thats when the fear comes into it, until you get used to this space being,as Marilyn said it could be a mantis spirit guide,and that they are friendly,kind and loving,and thats really great.

I had a lot of fear with my experience Spooky and also it being my first out of body,but im starting to come to terms with that now.I have been reading about St Padre Pio and he had simaler experience,that i had,and it was because of his really strong beleif in God,also he had the stigmata for 50 yrs.

Love and God bless you   Juditha

Hi all,

Shirley, yes I'm working on my gut feeling, trying to figure out where it comes from. I have it everytime, sometimes weaker, and sometimes stronger. I had also very short times when it left me and I felt like I'm sitting on top of the world then- a feeling of being free. And perhaps this alien was a sort of image for my fear, or it was a real alien and it met me for a reason which is related to my fear (if my gut feeling actually is fear based, I'm not sure if it's the right word, as I said, I'm working on it).

Bets, I thought about what name this exercise had, in school I did it...and, I think, it was called "belly-wave", that's interesting isn't it? Could be an allusion to my gut-feeling! I'm not aware to have carried alien-knowledge from websites with me, but I remember I once were on those sites, so might be true. But, what I remember too is, some years back (David?) Mack's book about alien abductions was in the media, and I had to really push away the thought to wake up in the night with some aliens around me, ready to take me off for some experiments; that was a very scary topic for me; I don't remember that such a thing ever happened to me. Never saw an ufo. But poltergeists for example, that's scary for me too, never experienced one though.

Mairlyn, what a surprise! I wanted to write "like a mantis head" but couldn't because the English word wasn't in my German-to-English dictionary! But in my English-German one I found "mantis", so that's exactly what it looked like! I know this because I've seen many photographs and movies about animals, and also one of a mantis. Couldn't see the body, only the head. So, very interesting! In German it's called (translated) "God's worshipperress".

Yes Juditha, I notice in daily life how much I'm influenced by outerly attributes of people, fortunately I'm aware of it, so I can try to reduce automatical responses of mine that are only caused of superficious outerly look and prejustice.
I have read your experience, it's something new when first OBEing, it takes awhile to digest it and to cool down isn't it? I have heard of Padre Pio, it is told he was seen at different places at the same time. In Italy he is a kind of national saint and there are many who pray to him and ask him for help.

Spooky

Just to toss this out - If you look at the pictures of the "aliens" that are reported around UFOs, they all could be insectoid. Perhaps, for planets that didn't have the same history as ours, the dominant species might be insects. It's possible that mammals are a minority.
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Mairlyn, what a surprise! I wanted to write "like a mantis head" but couldn't because the English word wasn't in my German-to-English dictionary! But in my English-German one I found "mantis", so that's exactly what it looked like! I know this because I've seen many photographs and movies about animals, and also one of a mantis. Couldn't see the body, only the head. So, very interesting! In German it's called (translated) "God's worshipperress".

Very cool Spooky. Have you ever read any of Laurens Van Der Post's books?  He wrote about the Bushmen of Africa and the mantis always figures in  his books. The Mantis is the creator to the Bushman if I remember right.

Love, Mairlyn

Wow, that's quite an adventure Spooky; hope you'll get more informations on this shortly. It's always interesting when those experiences happended. Leave us with a lots of; why/where/who was it really.

Thanks for sharing
With love,Romain

Hi,
no didn't read that book Mairlyn; Romain, yes interesting! About the "where", it was near Focus 21, I'm never absolutely certain in which Focus Level I'm exactly in. But interestingly, from the first times I was able to get something while listening to F21 HemiSync, to me there was a huge space station for spacecrafts, similar to an airport, and also a place where you can travel to other far away worlds nearly instantly, in a way they did in the old tv series "Time Tunnel".
In one of the confused infos I talked about I found that my encounter had in some way to do with "shamanism". Today I went again to get more infos. I imagined that it was a friendly guy as Mairlyn supposed. Then I made an affirmation, that I'll be like air, no one can harm me or take something away from me, except informations, and only if this being is friendly. So I concentrated on this mantis being. I saw short unsharp flashes of this being, then it stabilized more; what was a bit scary was the movements it made with its arms/legs and what it all had. But I stayed cool, there was an information flow but too weak to distinguish any details; it came nearer, and finally was in the same place I was. I sensed a very careful, thoughtful and calm mind. I asked where did you come from, and how? I saw pictures of a group of this beings, communicating; all in all they seem to be doing things slowly. There was vegetation, with green leafs that were about the size of their bodies. They seemed to live on these leafs. Then I saw a group of them standing close together, touching each other, and they didn't move. They were in a sort of meditation! And then I thought, they do astral travel, the answer of my question how the came here. I'm sceptical about these infos, don't know how much of it is imagined by me.

Spooky

This is really interesting. I begin to pay more attention when
several poeple see the same thing, and this has a tendency to head
things more toward verification.

It is a fascinating idea that an insect could become the dominant
species on a planet. On Earth, the insects were the first to take
to the air. The dragonfly once reached a wingspan of 3 feet.
But then the small dinosaurs, who had evelved feathers as a
protection from the cold, learned to fly, possibly from jumping off
tree limbs. This began their evolution into birds. Indidentally, a
few months ago, a squirrel fell out of a tree and fell 15 feet to
the concrete path in front of my door, and without skipping a beat,
ran to a tree and climbed right up it in a hurry, because there are
cats around here. So that suggests to me how a species might learn
to fly. With dinosaurs able to fly and prey on insects, the insects
would have lost their chance to become the dominant species.

On earth, the praying mantis dies off in winter and is born again
from eggs in the spring. Thus there is no cultural transmission
from one generation to the next. On Earth, the mantis is not a
loving species. They are a successful predator that eat other
insects. They eat each other upon hatching, if there is not enough
else to eat. But winter is only a product of the axis tilt. There
are planets like Venus that have no axis tilt and would have no
seasons. There, there would be no dying off in the windter. The
axis tilt is a product of the random scatter in a billion solar
systems that are out there. Like, Mars has an axis tilt that is the
same as it is on Earth. The random scatter would allow for the
occurence of a planet like Earth, but with no seaseons, or maybe no
serious winter. This would completely change evolutionary
development from what it is on Earth. An unusual dominant species
could be possible. There is also no winter in the tropical zone on
Earth, but that is just one more factor in an intricate web of
development.

This also suggests the possiblity of panspermia, where a similar
species could be spread out on a million planets. On Earth, the
conditions were not right for the mantis to become dominant.

There is also some UFO lore to the effect that this developed
mantis is on board UFOs, along with other alien species, and are
tall as humans, and seem to be in charge of operations.

The mantis aliens aren't insects. They're called mantis because they resemble the praying mantis.  It was the mantis people that came to the Bushmen in Africa and that's why they revere the praying mantis as they equate them to the mantis aliens.

Love, Mairlyn

Thanks, Mairlyn. The picture of a mantis creature I saw in UFO  literature was only a drawing by some artist. It showed a tall creaature
standing upright on 4 of its 6 legs. It had eyes of the insect type
that show many small lenses in a shape like half a sphere. Your
source came up with something else? Are they bipedal, like most
aliens? Why do you think that they are not insects? I am very
curious about such things. Anything you would add, spooky?

Not really something to add Boris; I had the impression that these beings have the size of a human, when they would stand stretched upright they would be higher than most humans, maybe basketballplayer size.
As you are interested in evolution, I heard of an interesting thing which I haven't heard about before: The density of the earth's atmosphere has changed when higher animals already were there on land (say some scientists), to a degree that it had much influence on every animal that flies (or tries to fly lol), as well as the concentration of oxygen, important for quick moving muscles, and especially for big insects as their oxygen-intake/reception system is relatively poor for big sized animals. Also, regarding the size, the upper limit of size of an insect seems to be smaller than the limit of dinosaurs or mammals, because of the exo-skeleton and the design ot their blood system and organs, as well as heat regulation. But, other planets, other evolutional ways I guess.

About the panspermia theory, I'm sceptic that it's possible for higher life forms, as the damage to the DNA through the long space travel would be too great. (Well, of course if you consider that it could be brought with spacecrafts it's a different thing)

Spooky

P.S. A problem for my further explorations in this regard is the interpretor overlay; once having a picture in mind how it "should be" it's almost impossible to get rid of it again, except if I could change my way of perception out there.

Greetings,
I wonder how big is the point of consciousness that is life? If it is very tiny, like small enough to slide through nerves without rearranging the knotted ganglia, then it must be very small and could perhaps fit in crevices of asteroids, etc.
And many layers of the seed/egg are really only protection or food, just for that point of consciousness? Then such an intelligent species would add more artificial layers to that so that any eventuality would be protected against.
Not only is this interesting for the mantis people's arriving here, but also for those of us who'd like to try some other planets in the future.
bets

Hi Betson,
the main difficulty in this I see is the amount of radiation and/or particle impact an organism/egg would receive during a long space travel. We here on earth are relatively good shielded against that. High vibrating electromagnetic radiation (X-rays, gamma, cosmic rays) is very penetrating. (That's btw an argument the doubters of the moon-landing and the critics of a mars expedition are putting forth)

Spooky

Hello everyone,

I'm going to throw in my two cents. I remember reading in one of Joe McMoneagle's books (he's the famous remote viewer who used to work for the gov't) about he had an experience with Monroe at TMI many years ago. Monroe had asked without telling Joe how did our planet or humanity (i forget which) begin? Joe described a race of "insect" beings who developed the system and the eventual evolution of the human form.
If you then connect this to the concepts of Loosh, and energy harvesting, that RAM talks about, you begin to get the full picture - or something really distorted ;) - the earth plane was developed as both an energy harvesting ground and learning center for souls. These aliens as Spooky is seeing could be the caretakers of Earth watching over the energy harvesting aspects (the feeling of wanting something from him). On some level, it seems kinda scary, but it's really an exchange of goods and services. We get human forms to play with, produce the Loosh, and share it with the property owners (Earth caretakers) and most importantly gain a top-notch education from it all.
Sound crazy?  :o

-mike

   

That's an interesting idea Mike- sounds crazy, but some things which had sounded crazy to me in the past are now normal for me...

Spooky

I have no personal data to back up this particular theory.
BTW, I have seen a few different aliens in my experiences. Always takes me aback. Nothing to be worried about though, I think. We share the Universe with all sorts of beings.

-mike  

Hi Spooky,

I haven't read a lot about this, but from what little I have read, mantid spirits aren't the friendliest of beings.  I've actually read one report of someone who had was projecting while on Salvia Divinorum, who encountered some mantids and felt that they were trying to keep him from being able to return to his body.

Without meaning to denigrate Marilyn's experience at all, I know an encounter like what you described would make me extremely uncomfortable...I'd be asking the entity in question to leave, and possibly even asking for some help in removing it.

I believe myself that some genuine threats do exist in astral space/the Afterlife...from memory at least Bob Munroe's first book describes some experiences which weren't always pleasant.

Hi Petrus, thanks for your input!

You said:
>>>felt that they were trying to keep him from being able to return to his body.<<<

I actually had considered this, as that happened after I was in conversation about how to get more distance/independence of the physical body, regarding my focus of attention when exploring.

So I'll keep my eyes open and be careful.

Spooky

This is shocking Spooky  :o  It is a form of hypnotism.  SNAP out of it.
But I suspect you know this.

The San do not believe the prey mantis is God.  They believe God is God - do not insult their spirituality or intelligence.  

I haven't heard so much cr*p in all my life.

Hi augoeideian,
that may very well be that it was hypnotism, it's an ongoing process to decide what in my life is true and what is delusion.
Of course a single thing in the world cannot be God, if God has created everything and/or is everything.

Spooky

On the other hand, hypnotism is just guided meditation, and goes no deeper than the meditator prefers.

I had a patient who mentioned that beings from Vega (I think it was) had "chevron shaped faces". Personally, looking at evolution, it seems that any type of evolutionary stage might well have endured. We were almost wiped out by mollusks and gastropods, and the intelligence and curiosity of octapii is notorius. There's nothing but pure fate to stop the evolution of tube worms into a space faring culture. The insect thing caught my attention because of the general reports by UFO kidnap victims that the "Greys" come in two sizes, big and small, with the big ones supervising. That sounds like termites. If any of us are kidnapped or otherwise transported to a UFO, I'd like to inquire whether they are oviparous and whether they have a "Queen". That kind of thing would also suggest a reason for studying animal reproductive organs, assuming that those cow mutilation reports were valid.

Panspermia has pretty good accidental support from NASA. Someone disassembled an old space vehicle that had been brought home for some reason and discovered that there were numerous little bacteria living in it, despite solar radiation storms etc. This is an incidental observation, but it suggests that RNA or similar enzymatic organizers might be able to make the inter-stellar voyage. Most of the way it's just cold, anyhow, without especially high levels of radiation. Maybe Matthew has more on this.

Another thought - I had a patient who met a shape-shifting "guide" who tried to trap her. Evidently, it can happen.
Stay free-
dave

Thanks for the replies.  Dave, please do not think that I was being dismissive of hypnotism.  Clinically it has good merits guided by a professional like yourself.

However, as a 'play around' spiritual tool I do think it is dangerous and maybe more so hemisync.  I say this with respect but as we know our brains are our computer.  When we first discussed hemisync I did some research to find out the wave patterns of our brain.  The encyclopedia did not mention anything about 'waves' but maybe neurons is another word.

Briefly the brain;  
(just have to decipher my notes here)

Made up of three parts 1) crebrum 2) cerebellum 3) brain stem.
Each consists of neurons and supporting gila. Nerve cell fibres linking spinal cord receive messages from sense organ, messages of touch and temperature throughout the body.  Motor cortex - nerve impulses that control the movements of all the skeletal muscles.  Cortex processes and stores information, mental abilities, thinking, speaking and remembering.  Hypothalamus receives nerve impulses and routes to appropriate areas of the cerebral vortex.  Brainstem connects to spinal cord, movement of eyes, hunger, awareness.  Medulla is breathing and heartbeat.  Brain cells consist of 10-100 billion neurons and supporting gila.  Thin membrane called axon surrounds neurons specialises in carrying nerve impulses from cell body to other neurons and picks up impluses from the axon.

Sorry, my notes are rather brief and I am sure a bit vague but any description of the brain in a encyclopedia will get the order right.  And of course this is baby talk to people like Dave, Spooky and Matthew and ... all the other clever people!

In essence though we can see how important are brain is to us.  It is our computer and like any computer it may be re-programmed.

I have to stop now and go out - without addressing Panspermia but would like to carry on when I get back or if not tomorrow.

PUL
Caryn

 

Yes Dave, when they got me I will say "By the way, I have a question sir, or are you a ma'm and maybe even an oviparous queen?"
I sometimes had taken a look into far away worlds (don't know if they only exist in my mind) by using these tunnels I've found out there. Mostly the impressions were very hard to grasp. I remember being in tubes, in a thick liquid, as a sort of Borg-like element of a collective, and at Monroes "The Gathering" I found a sort of collective being that was somehow the whole surface of a planet. The best was what I call the "blue airy world" where I communicated by being a semi-material field which could take on any form and vibration-style, hugging is an art there. Much variety, and sometimes very difficult to communicate and understand.
When there was this hype around Mack's book about the abductions, I thought to what degree are these alien descriptions resulting from a sort of hysteria, people hear those descriptions and then begin to "remember"- or fantasize? Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to find it out, because it's impossible to know all the influences a person was exposed. After this narratings of alien abductions have become known (almost) worldwide, you never know what's genuine and what's confabulation.

Caryn, when stimulating brain waves ("brain wave" means just cyclic activities of clusters of brain cells) people tend to react with "states", but it's, I think, not possible through acoustic soundpatterns to transport certain, special messages or suggestions. TMI assures there are no subliminal messages on their tapes as far as I know, and even if, subliminal messages seem not really as effective as to get dangerous.

Spooky

Hi,

Spooky thanks for the clarification on brain waves. It was incorrect of me to say re-programmed because they are not programmed in the first place but in a natural state.  I still do believe our brains do hold a key and this why we see the symbolism of the Skull always portrayed under the Cross and many paintings of the wise philosophers in the past holding a skull or having the skull at the feet (the feet symbolising Pisces)

Spooky and Dave your postings are quite remarkable. Please do not think I am an authoritarian on this subject. I am learning as I go along and offer my understanding on this.  Also, please excuse my bad language when I said this it is my thoughts; these things should not be controlling people; humans.  We are higher than these things.

Pan ... (not Pan the God of the fields; Pan the elementals)

A bit from Astrology on the elementals;

The elements in astrology are the expression on the natural plane of the activity of the four elements.  The Gnomes are the earth beings, the Sylphs are the air beings, the Undines are the water beings, and the Salamanders are the fire beings.  It is erroneous to call these beings ‘spirits’.

These elementals are expressed in the natural four elements; of which there are five in number, for it is maintained that the four themselves restless, and even in enmity with each other, so that they are bound into a temporary pact (such as is required by the world of material form) by a fifth element.  This fifth element maintains the pact between sublunar things, and is called the Quintessence.

And a bit from Mythology;

From 'The voyage of the Argo' Hercules is onboard the Argo ship with Hylas who was his squire.
Hercules and Hylas went ashore to find wood.  Hercules became thirsty, and he bade Hylas go to the nearest stream and draw water for him.  Hylas came to a little woodland pool, shaded by tall trees and fringed by delicate and fragrant flowers.  As he bent down to draw water for his pitcher the nymphs who lived in the stream saw him, and were at once fascinated by his beauty, for there never lived a boy handsomer than Hylas.  Swiftly they rose from the pool, and gently they took him by the hand, and soothingly they invited him to their underwater grottoes.  Their voices like waters murming and leaves rustling lulled Hylas into a will-less slumber, and slowly pulled him down into the embracing waves, which gave him up no more.  Hercules sorrowfully lamented this loss for ages.

It is related of Jason and the Argonauts that on their return voyage they experienced other adventures, in one of which only the wondrous melodies of Orpheus saved them from the enchantments of the sirens.  (Sirens sea elementals)

We can see here the ancients also had the same experiences as you did Spooky.  Every Myth relates to the same event (Man's passage through life) The stories are just told differently with different characters and different places.

The bacteria found in an old ship is interesting; here the elementals are spirit forms and would not produce bacteria.  

Well, with no conclusion I'd just like to say be careful, as we read from these Myths, elementals are deceptive, love to seduce and entrap.  Also, my pov this is all in the astral world.

What do you think of this in relation to your experience Spooky?

PUL
Caryn