just read both his books and well.......just don't know what to make of things now! basically it just says that everything is just an illusion anyway and that forgiveness is just letting go of these dreamworlds we all take as realish to get back to our home which is reality. but what is reality and how real are these dreamworlds. if we are all one. then what's happened to those loved ones that have passed on? do they just blend into an indistinguishable singularity in which there is no subject or object, or is my interpretation wrong. the books are based upon A Course In Miracles, which I have not read and by the looks of it from quotations I've read, would leave me just as confused or even more so after reading it. could anyone clarify any of this, perhaps Bruce could say something.

Good topic evolver .. im sorry to answer before Bruce does, if he is available to answer.

But there is a need to look at our lives in Earth very closely.  This illusion word is mis-understood in my opinion.  It is not an illusion - it is a manifestation of our spirits.  

Realising that we are continually making our spirits become into form .. makes living in Earth a honour and a art.

It is creative expression and it is said the human body is the biggest mystery.

Hi yeah I find his first book very challenging, haven't read the second.

He...or rather his compatriots there...state that this material is different. I don't think you can say "just an illusion" because it is hard to get to a point where you can see behind the illusion. What intrigues me is that the illusion they are talking about is obviously one that continues into the afterlife. You don't die and then just "get it."

They talk about reality being just a dream and then they talk about the choice to either perfect the dream or move beyond it. How can you know if it is correct?

One thing that made me sad was the idea that we can't really fix all the problems because the system is meant to make more problems.

The problem is, there are things in that book that I thought before all by my little old self, and that makes it difficult to disregard the things that I don't understand or think sound appealing.

What do you think of the idea that conciousness created all of this reality ina big bang moment? What about the idea that the Buddha reached the level of mind but not of God? How could Pursah have been a victim of false claims of sexual abuse at a later time in history; doesn't that stuff get better? What do you think of the sci-fi twist on time in the story, with Pursah only going forward in spiritual development because of the book, but the book wouldn't have been written if a spiritually evolved Pursah didn't contact Gary (feels like looking at some of Escher's work!) What questions do you have specifically?

too many questions!

evolver

How does some of what you read in Renard compare with what is being said in the post about reading the Upanishad?

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1158606114

very similar, the emphasis however in Renards books seem to be based on forgiveness above anything else, in order to remove the illusion. but it also seems different to what we normally understand as forgiveness. it's like forgiving ourselves and others for what we thought was real but never really happened in reality ie because it was a dream anyway. I don't know the more I think about it, the more confused I become.  

The questions about the ideas are topics for further discussion. I thought I would just throw in a rebuttal to Renard's contention that he was visited by ascended masters. This all comes from one group but it is interesting. Look at the links on references 6, 7, and 8. I don't think this entry was written by Renard fans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_the_Universe,_The

The ideas themselves deserve more discussion. Reminds me of something Dave said here somewhere, that some of these ideas have benn argued over in the Eastern cultures for centuries, while we here in the West are just starting to chew the fat. Many questions, few answers.