Hi I went onto the link ,that antwhns put on here, and it was great to read,  also it was really good ,listening to spirit caught on tape,talking from the spirit world.

I sat and thought about this afterwards,and it came to me ,that if we have no physical body ,after death,and we are spirit,how can we talk on tape ,with no vocal chords.

I really enjoyed your link you put on antwhns.

Would appreciate your veiws on this subject.
Love and God bless you all.Juditha

Idont know if you read my post,on mary comes back,but she talked to me in a real voice.When I asked her who fixted her hair,she said she did it herself,and she was dead for 60 years.hope this helps.George

A very interesting point raised by Juditha.
Although spirit can communicate with us by telepathic means, as I have experienced myself, it does beg the question of how a spirit voice can be captured on tape.
On the other hand, perhaps they have a way, at present incomprehensible to us, of being able to do so. Telepathic energy converted to sound waves? Is a microphone used during this recording to tape? I wouldn`t totally dismiss the idea out of hand.

Wasn`t Bruce working on some sort of equipment to achieve this?

On the point of George stating "....and she was dead for 60 years", I thought that time didn`t exist in the Afterlife. If this is the case how would she relate to that period of time? If spirit relates time to our time then surely it must exist for them too, or am I missing something here?

roger  :-/  

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On the point of George stating "....and she was dead for 60 years", I thought that time didn`t exist in the Afterlife. If this is the case how would she relate to that period of time? If spirit relates time to our time then surely it must exist for them too, or am I missing something here?

Spirits show up so that people will recognize them. The little girl knew George 60 years ago so that's why she appeared to him as she was then. If she appeared the way she looks now, George probably wouldn't have known who she was. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

I have a friend in Australia who records spirit's voices too. She says she has the TV or radio on in the background and the spirits somehow use this to create voices on the tape. I have no idea how this works, but it does for her.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Marilyn,

In the first of your two posts, above, I understand exactly where you are coming from.
Spirits can appear to us showing any stage of their life they wish. O.K., if the girl wished to appear to George as she was then (a young girl) so he would recognise her, surely there was absolutely no point in her saying she had been dead for 60 year? What purpose would it serve? Was she, in fact, a young girl who could fix her own hair? I haven`t seen his original posting on this.
It still doesn`t answer my query - well, not for me anyway.

roger  :)

I haven't listened to the particular audio piece you have juditha so I can't comment on that but the way spirit usual makes its voice appear is through mediums who create artificial voiceboxes using some kind of 'etheric energy' maybe 'ectoplasm'. There are lots of recorded instances of this.

Although there is also EVP (electric voice phenomena? or something like that) in which messages from the dead appear on recordings usually of white noice or tv/radio static.

Those are the two most common ways i've heard of.

I haven't even figured out how a tape recording works for the living yet.. :P :D

Seriously, though..sound is a wave.  It vibrates at a certain level so we can hear and interpret what it is.  There are some sounds we cannot hear-think of a dog whistle.  WE can't hear it, but the dog can.

For spirit to communicate, all it needs to do is vibrate at the right level.. :)

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if we have no physical body ,after death,and we are spirit,how can we talk on tape ,with no vocal chords.

The same question might asked about the tape player itself, or a radio, tape players and radios don't have vocal chords either, so how can they talk?

Maybe the answer is that some things don't need vocal chords to talk, they just need the right kind of energy/signal coming into them and they can convert that energy/signal into talking?

Bruce

To answer to your question Juditha spirits can communicate  using direct voice- an artificial larynx constructed from ectoplasm. Due to the necesity of ectoplasn a 'direct voice medium' needs to be present that is able to allow spirits to extract the substance from his body. These mediums are very rare and nowadays only a couple good ones exist in the world.  For more examples you can also visit the site of the most famous direct voice medium ever who is now dead, Leslie Flint.

http://www.leslieflint.com/

Hope I've been of help, take care.

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The same question might asked about the tape player itself, or a radio, tape players and radios don't have vocal chords either, so how can they talk?

Hi Bruce, hope you are well.  That is a brilliant statement!

And Shirley ... lol  ;D

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I haven't even figured out how a tape recording works for the living yet

i've just figured out the quote thing .. lol

Here's another mind blower; read my sentences out loud to yourself.  Right now, without moving your lips.  Hmmm....what does the voice sound like?   Male or female?  What was the tone like?  You just read my sentences.  There is no vocal cord in your brain.....so............

thought/consciousness and energy are what we are dealing with here.  In order to hear the extra-physical, we must free ourselves from the notion of purely physical means to an end.

Put another way.  In EVP (electronic voice phenomenon) usually a voice is heard gradually, as a tape of static is listened to again and again after a question is placed.  Many, myself included believe that the listener, is a key factor to the voice being heard through conscious intent and an energy exchange.  The voices are not usually heard while the recording is being made.  It is as if the act of listening impresses something onto the recording, and then becomes reproducible.

Matthew

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O.K., if the girl wished to appear to George as she was then (a young girl) so he would recognise her, surely there was absolutely no point in her saying she had been dead for 60 year? What purpose would it serve? Was she, in fact, a young girl who could fix her own hair? I haven`t seen his original posting on this.

Roger, perhaps the purpose was to jog George's memory. And I'm sure that anyone who has been in the afterlife for 60 years can fix their hair any way they want, just think it into the style wanted. Remember that she wasn't really still 6 years old. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

The difference with the direct voice mediums is that all the people present in the room are able to hear the spirit, it doesn't depend on the listener so much. It is also an important experience since the voice is exactly the same with the one the person had before he died. This is why most people that study the spirit agree that direct voice mediums are the most important source of confirmation.

Hi Juditha-
Good question - I like Bruce's comeback too. However, I have a sort of "guesstimate" idea that might be useful.

When the body falls off, it seems that we gain a few dimensions of freedom, but we don't actuallty "go" anywhere, in the sense of packing up our gear and reolcating to hyperspace. Instead, it appears that our functions are externalized and supported by the surrounding world. That way we can, if desired, go back and verify that the old body is being eaten by happy worms, that our friends and loved ones are praying for us, and it seems that we can identify with the old familiar world enough to pass our words and other aspects of our old self back to those we left behind through telepathy etc. Anyhow, this is how it seems to me - and I'm speculating here.

When a house is haunted, there are often "cold spots" in which the natural Brownian motion of the air has been stilled. Since heat is the sense of molecules banging on our skin, this feels cold. However, it also (in theory) allows beings to select patterns of molecular motion by which they can partially "re-embody" themselves in a "body" of air molecules that are more or less moving in the same way. That gives them an additional ability, and it seems that many spooks use this kind of "re-embodiment" to enter the TV set (I had a TV that used to moan at me, even when unplugged!), electrical system of the home (electrical static and related stuff is common with entities - I seem to recall Bruce mentioned something of the sort as well in one of his books), or various other pieces of gear like tape recorders. To produce a voice in a tape recorder it is only required for the being to alter the magnetic bias oscillator level in a pattern similar to the alterations that would normally correspond to speech in air. This is essentially the way recording occurs anyway, and would require little more than attachment to some of the innards of the gear. It is not necessary to understand how this works in order to o it - it only would be necessary to get involved and fool about until results ocurred. From the recordings I've heard, it might very well be a trial and error procedure.

As an example, I have much better luck using the TV as an oracle, and I'm not too sure how that works either. My process is to ask a question, and then click through a series of channels, taking a phrase at a time from each. The answer is very often there in the assembled remarks, a new context for the words, even though each phrase may sound strange when taken out of initial context. Because this actually seems to give information, yet is in response to a question asked a moment earlier, my guess is that there's more happening than meets the casual eye. I feel that the spirit world is somehow able to access choices in a way that alters the way our world appears, like locating a cold spot, or sequencing the remarks on TV, or entering electronics to alter energy flow etc. If we accept the idea that we live in a limited 3-space corner of a multi-dimensional world, where the other dimensions are generally not observed, then this would imply a way to choose the appropriate worldline for our 3-space universe from the vast number of multi-dimensional options otherwise available. And - as before - this is speculation.

I'd be interested and appreciative if one of you whose recordings work well would ask your spirit correspondent about these ideas, to see whether they are in the right general direction. If so, how might we improve their abilities to interact?

dave

Another note - about 1959 in (I think it was) Physics Today, an article by Hugh Everett, John Wheeler and Greer (EWG) dealing with Schroedinger's "cat paradox". The issue was that quantum mechanics views all states as collectively superposed probabilities, which meant that a cat imprisoned in a sealed box with a poisonous chemical, unavailable to be directly examined, must be viewed as part dead and part alive. The EWG solution was to suggest that reality is actually all possible states, with state probabilities superposed, so that we experience only one of all the possible states of existence we might share. Every choice made thus affects what we experience. There is no reason that discarnate beings could not make choices to control which states we, including the discarnate spook, would then experience. Accordingly, what we experience as a continuous stream of events would actually be a series of related snapshot (quantum) universes in which we all, incarnate and discarnate, share causality, and thus physical events can be selected (like a changed oscillator bias) that we would not expect if we alone were the sole cause of our experiences.

dave-

Hi my friends,I just would like to let you know,that it was not the little girl who said she had been dead 60 years. It was me who said that.George

That's what I thought George. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

Hi everyone,

My own two cents here...
From what I've read/seen of EVP (electronic voice phenomena, which I believe is the formal name for what we're talking about here) it is very rare for there to be noises created by spirits without anything else.  World-itc.com, in its' guide to creating evp tapes, says that you'll actually get best results when the tape has some kind of background noise on it...they recommend running water.

Likewise with the TV, you'll normally get images appearing out of/over the top of white static.  What that means to me is that spirits can't so much generate entirely their own sound/image in the way that we can, but what they *can* do is re-arrange pre-existing sounds/visual static somewhat into vocal messages that can be understood, or images that can be seen.  The Spiricom device, also on worlditc.com, actually had the sound of a lot of magnetic interference/flanging going on in the background, and the spirit using it apparently actually shaped the electrical noise into something close to a mechanical-sounding version of their own voice.

It also takes a huge amount of energy for them to do it, I think...because they have to try and influence corporeal machinery while being entirely acorporeal themselves...not an easy feat. ;)