Day in day out it scares the heck out of me, i dont want to die, i was born with the will to live. I guess the more i learned about different religions and got to the point where my questions couldnt be answered i lost alot of faith over the years, but im only 35 and feel i have to believe in something so i dont have to cry anymore about my worry (phobia?) death.
I watch films like michael, what dreams may come to get temporary hope. but i wish i knew for definate that there is something out there. i yearn to see a ghost, hear a voice, anything to let me know that i have nothing to worry about. Flatliners was a good example of how desperate i am. im petrified of this heart stopping, all i have learned or not in life to be forgotton, people i have met to forget me and visa versa. What can i do? can anyone please help me  :'(

Hi iviewolfe70,

you have come to the right place.  There are many people on this board who have direct experiences with the afterlife, ranging from Near Death Experiences to After Death Communications, to being able to project themselves in out of the body or astral levels.  

It is completely normal to be afraid of death.  The good news is that there is an enormous mountain of evidence pointing to the reality of the afterworld.

As you have struggled with religion, I would suggest to help you build some confidence to read about Near Death Experiences.  Many of these have instances where the person was scientifically certified to have suffered bodily death, and when the person came back, they were able to describe things they heard and saw that were fully confirmable in "our" world..whether it was a joke told by an operating doctor, what tools they were using, what personnel were involved, and a whole lot more.  

I think that these are fascinating stories, as they have verifiable elements to them that tie directly to the time that the person was clinically dead and could not have had vision, hearing, etc. in a physical sense.  

that is a good place to start for someone that is highly doubtful in a religious sense.

The other idea I would have is to suggest that you consider that a growing number of quantum physicists are starting to theorize possibilities that have only been considered in mystical senses...such as scientific basis for other universes and levels, consciousness, and lot more.  It is very intriguing that this sector of quantum physics seems to be converging with the mystics.

Those are just two ideas that do not necessarily involve any matters of "religion", just to get you started...however, do not overlook the religious traditions, especially when it comes to confirmed stories of bilocation, clairvoyant episodes, miracles such as raising of the dead, etc...a number of which were experienced by people who were skeptics, atheists, etc. prior to experiencing the incidents.  

Let us know how you are doing after you delve into this a little bit.

Stephen

Hello Iviewolfe70:

First of all, I have no reason to lie to you.

Second, I'm not prone to jump to quick conclusions.

That said, based on numerous experiences I've had I no longer fear death because I clearly understand that we don't die when our body dies.

Notice that everything you see, hear, smell, touch, taste, feel and think, is experienced by one awareness that is able to experience anything that is presented to it. You are that awareness.  This awareness is too transcendent of all it perceives to be destroyed when what it perceives comes to an end.

Just do your best to be a good and loving person, and you'll end up in a wonderful place when your physical life comes to an end.

You don't actually fear death itself, because the part of your mind which creates fear doesn't know what death is.  Rather, this part of your mind fears its concept of death. Don't pay attention to this concept. It is just one irrational thought pattern that doesn't know what it's yapping about. It doesn't have the ability to effect you all on its own.  It requires your assistance and obtains it when you choose to believe in it. Listen to the part of yourself that knows better. The part of yourself that wants there to be more because it knows that there is more.  You can find this part in your heart.

Hi Iviewolfe,

You are so fortunate that you are confronting your fears. I think that is a wonderful position to be in, even if it is profoundly uncomfortable.

I think that if you explore this site you will find some tools to use to grow into a realization that you are much more than your physical body. This awareness will teach you that your fears are smaller than the resources that are available to you through love and connection to others. There is nothing that we fear that cannot be confronted and dissolved through the greater powers of love.

In my own personal experience, the more I realize that I am connected to life, love and all the other beings in this universe, the less I think about death in a negative way because there is so very much to explore and experience from the heart. The world view that we are taught is not as broad as it should be. There is so much more to who you are.  It is our own limited concepts of who we are that cause our fear. You have come to the right place.

I am so glad you stopped by here, and I hope that you stay a while.

love, blink

Welcome Iviewolfe,

The best way to get over your fear of death is to confront the fear and learn how to go to the afterlife. Direct experience is the only way I know of proving to yourself that life goes on, we are eternal.  There's a lot of information here in this website so I'd suggest you start reading and then perhaps get Bruce's books or at least his 5th one.

I used to have a fear of death too but haven't ever since I started exploring the afterlife and doing retrievals.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hi Iviewolfe,

 I can understand you perfectly well as this was/is my feeling regarding death. I can/could not support the idea of ceasing of exist.

 I was so afraid, I was not able to read about the issue, thinking that the scientific facts would make clear that we do not survive.

 Until one day, a few months ago, when I was able to investigate a bit. Then I reached this page, and also

http://www.victorzammit.com
http://www.near-death.com/index.html
http://www.nderf.org/

http://www.nderf.org/vonlommel_consciousness.htm
http://www.nderf.org/vonlommel_skeptic_response.htm

http://www.survivalafterdeath.org

http://www.thepsychicbarber.co.uk/index.html

http://www.afterlifeshow.com/

And a great book "Is there an afterlife? of D. Fontana":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1903816904/002-0171924-5320036?v=glance&n=283155

and many other resources which have help, together with the messages I read in this forum, to make me if not 100% sure, at least capable of think there could be anything else after this life.

Of course I'd love "see a ghost, hear a voice, anything" but meanwhile, I'm reading Bruce's books to see if I'm able to investigate the afterlife on my own.

I hope this can help you a bit as they did to me.

Hi Iviewolfe,
The fisrt start is loosen up a bit. What is there you are afraid for? What is death in your idea?
Try to find the thing about death wich scares you.
The best thing to overcome your fear is to start searching for the one thing which scares you about it.
I can write that death is a sort of rebearth, but if I write that down, that is not a proof to you. The only one who can make your fear disappear is yourself, proof for me is not a proof for you, so nor I, nor anyone else can proof to you that death is nothing to be scared about.
We can only point in directions you can search.

First things first, try to find the answer to the fear you have. Try to make clear for yourself what it is exactly what you fear about it. That could be more then one thing, so make a list of those things that scare you so you can start tackling them one by one.

A complex thing like "afraid of death" can't be taken away at once, it can be relieved though if you divide it into "don't know if someone will think about me when I'm gone" / "fear of pain" /
"don't know where I'm going to" / "need proof" etc.

Just an example: First fear: Will anyone think of me when I'm gone?  Ask yourself, what is the worst thing which can happen to you if no-one does? If no-one thinks about you now, at this moment, does that influence your life? Why would it influence you if they wouldn't think about you sometimes after you die? Fact is, you will be remembered, sometimes, somewhere, somehow, but just like in real life, not continuously.
So what is the worst thing which could happen to you if you have a period where you are not thought about?

Also, try to remember what you dream, if you can, ask the question before going to sleep and you could get an answer to it.

And relax a bit, what is the worst thing happening to you if you die? The only answer I can think of is that you won't have to fear death anymore, because you know what happens then.
Why bother about it so much while being alive then?

I use to have those fears too.  Oddly enough, my worst fears came when I was a fundamental Christian.

As I moved away from that, the fears abated.  The more I explored, the less fear I had.

Now, let me ask a question. If we were all delusional (and I don't believe we are), and there is nothing after life, what is there is still to fear?

Death is as natural as life...an integral part of life.  My personal belief on the matter is that its a new beginning.  Somewhat like graduation from school, then beginning another aspect of life.

Explore for yourself..that is the best way to get rid of the fears.

I just returned from a cxonvention that had a "dead entities" panel. The objection was that nobody has ever encountered a dead entity - they're all very much alive!

I suggest that you heed Marilyn's advice and become a rescuer, and you'll find out that the person being rescued is you.
d

recoverer wrote on Aug 8^th, 2006 at 5:56pm:

Hello Iviewolfe70: First of all, I have no reason to lie to you. Second, I'm not prone to jump to quick conclusions. That said, based on numerous experiences I've had I no longer fear death because I clearly understand that we don't die when our body dies. Notice that everything you see, hear, smell, touch, taste, feel and think, is experienced by one awareness that is able to experience anything that is presented to it. You are that awareness.  This awareness is too transcendent of all it perceives to be destroyed when what it perceives comes to an end. Just do your best to be a good and loving person, and you'll end up in a wonderful place when your physical life comes to an end. You don't actually fear death itself, because the part of your mind which creates fear doesn't know what death is.  Rather, this part of your mind fears its concept of death. Don't pay attention to this concept. It is just one irrational thought pattern that doesn't know what it's yapping about. It doesn't have the ability to effect you all on its own.  It requires your assistance and obtains it when you choose to believe in it. Listen to the part of yourself that knows better. The part of yourself that wants there to be more because it knows that there is more.  You can find this part in your heart.

Hi Recoverer,

another good post by you, my friend.

I think you are onto something with the contemplation of awareness or consciousness.  I've always sat down and pondered the fact that we are made of billions of independent little cells in a physical sense, each governed by its own nucleus, etc. and each with its own independent function and mission, yet our whole body is controlled by one consciousness.  I find it fascinating that the idea of consciouness confounds science again and again, even leading them to these ridiculous theories about NDE's being quantum consciousness "leaks" when they haven't defined consciousness in the first place.

I am interested to hear about your experiences, as I know you've mentioned to me in a post reply that you have had OOBE's.  

I agree whole-heartedly with your advice on being a good and loving person, leading to a better world beyond this life.  

:)

Shirley wrote on Aug 9^th, 2006 at 5:39am:

I use to have those fears too.  Oddly enough, my worst fears came when I was a fundamental Christian.

Ha, same here, mostly because I thought I was going to burn in hell because I couldn't fathom a man walking on water, and I only feared that because my sunday school teacher told me it would happen when I told her such things were impossible.  Must have struck a cord, to piss somone off enough that they'd tell a 9 year old they were going to sleep in fire forever.   ::)

Which is why I hate modern day christians.  I know, it's wrong to hate blah blah but I really, really do.

Indiglo,If i had been there when she told a 9yr old that she would sleep in fire forever,i would have had a few things to say to that woman to put her right.that was a terrible thing to say to a child.Theres no such thing as burning in hell,it does not exist.Love and god bless juditha

wrote on Aug 10^th, 2006 at 12:48pm:

Indiglo,If i had been there when she told a 9yr old that she would sleep in fire forever,i would have had a few things to say to that woman to put her right.that was a terrible thing to say to a child.Theres no such thing as burning in hell,it does not exist.Love and god bless juditha

Well, I know this now, that was 8 years ago.  To this day, I constantly test/ask christians about their beliefs and try to see why they believe or if they even know why they believe it.  Most are satisfied with the fact that somone told them to think that way, so they do.  Ignoring all the holes and such that the history of Christianity has, even when I put it right in their faces and show just how ignorant they are.

I use ignorant because it means uninformed, so don't let that rub you the wrong way.

NOW, Christianity as a philosophy, using Christ as a flashlight in the dark room of life is absolutely awesome.  So don't get me crossed with some antichrist punk or what have you.  

Idiglo i dont think that you are antichrist or anything else,i have always beleived in free speech for everyone,you got your beleifs and i have got mine and i know you dont beleive it now, because you are older ,i just meant that it was a terrible thing to use religion to try and control a childs life. i go to a spiritualist church,which is all about the afterlife, thats how i know so much ,that hell does not exist there, god shines a light on the world and thats what i beleive myself and he is forgiving,he does not send anyone into the fires of hell,that was one of the biggest fiction ever told.Love and god bless juditha

Quote:

Which is why I hate modern day christians.  I know, it's wrong to hate blah blah but I really, really do.

I'm really sorry to hear that you hate so much. Your hate will bring you down in the end. One cannot advance with hate in their heart.  Let the Light in and realize that Christians are going by what they have been told to believe.

Love and Light, Mairlyn ;-)

wrote on Aug 10^th, 2006 at 3:45pm:

Quote: Which is why I hate modern day christians.  I know, it's wrong to hate blah blah but I really, really do. I'm really sorry to hear that you hate so much. Your hate will bring you down in the end. One cannot advance with hate in their heart.

Yup.

I've been working on it.

To all who have replied to my original post, thank you all so very much for your love and support, i will indeed stay on this site, as also will i copy each of your replies, look at them in depth and start studying up on this subject and my fear in detail.... extreme detail, i dont feel half as sad or alone as i did thanks to your replies.
i really am quite overwhelmed and touched by how many of you have replied and offered support and advice

Again, thank you so very much

Love hugs n stuff

Ivie

xx :)

iviewolfe70 wrote on Aug 10^th, 2006 at 8:04pm:

To all who have replied to my original post, thank you all so very much for your love and support, i will indeed stay on this site, as also will i copy each of your replies, look at them in depth and start studying up on this subject and my fear in detail.... extreme detail, i dont feel half as sad or alone as i did thanks to your replies. i really am quite overwhelmed and touched by how many of you have replied and offered support and advice Again, thank you so very much Love hugs n stuff Ivie xx :)

Feel better already?  Direct result of PUL intended for you alone.

No?

8-)

Feel better already?  Direct result of PUL intended for you alone.

No?

  :-? erm im not blonde or anything indiglo, but what is PUL plz?  :)

Hey, I'm blonde  >:(



;D

pure unconditional love

8-)

Hey, I'm blonde  



 

pure unconditional love

  :o oops sorry, lol anyway everyones 'PUL', has  helpped incl yours, so thank you  :)

Love hugs n stuff

Ivie
(who likes ppl with every coloured hair) ::)

;D you two!

Marilyn hi, hope you had a good birthday yesterday  :)

With all my respect to you i just need to add my pov here; you said:  Let the Light in and realize that Christians are going by what they have been told to believe.  

I was not told anything by anyone, i found my Love for Christ all by myself.  ;)

I hope Steve, newwayknight, you do not mind me copying a line you said elsewhere:

Quote Steve,
I just wanted to suggest that the concepts of God and faith are likely alot broader than many of God's followers suggest as they try to put God in a "box" so to speak.  I've always found it amusing that many claim to know all the "rules" or "boundaries" of God, etc.

I think think that comment deserves framing!  Steve, i read this post a few days ago and could not find it again so i did a search of your posts under your profile - i would like to say i think you are a very fine character - all your posts are made with such honesty and gentleness, this site is extremely fortunate to have you here and thank you for being a good friend to Juditha.

May you be comforted with the recent passing over of your beloved Dad who i am sure is very very proud of you.

I think death is liberating; it is said that the moment of death is the most glorious event for the Soul.  If we could see 'on the other side' we would behold a sight beyond our normal senses - the rejoicing, the colours, the music, the angels ready to take the hands of us, the family members who have gone before are there ready for re-uniting. There is honour in death - as it is a honour to be here in earth although i believe we should rejoice at death and cry at birth.

Love and peace.

Day in day out it scares the heck out of me, i dont want to die, i was born with the will to live. I guess the more i learned about different religions and got to the point where my questions couldnt be answered i lost alot of faith over the years, but im only 35 and feel i have to believe in something so i dont have to cry anymore about my worry (phobia?) death.
I watch films like michael, what dreams may come to get temporary hope. but i wish i knew for definate that there is something out there. i yearn to see a ghost, hear a voice, anything to let me know that i have nothing to worry about. Flatliners was a good example of how desperate i am. im petrified of this heart stopping, all i have learned or not in life to be forgotton, people i have met to forget me and visa versa. What can i do? can anyone please help me  :'(
*****************
Consider a cryonics contract. As I understand it, they have
solved the "freezing damage" problem...
Now, there IS the "yuck factor" to overcome, emotionally speaking.
BUT - is being frozen (with potential to be reanimated in the future!) any
"creepier" than being buried and becoming worm food, or being burned to ashes in a crematorium?
Something to consider...

B-man

Chumley, when will you finally understand that our bodies are but mere temporary vehicles for our spirits/souls in the physical. It doesn't matter what happens to the body after death. You are not your body, never have been, never will be.

Love, Mairlyn

I have also always been pretty terrified of death.  In my mid-twenties my belief in god started to fade.  My mother was in ICU over a year ago - with the outcome not looking good..not good at all.  I for the first time in a long time prayed to please not take her from us yet.  I wasnt ready to lose her - she is all my family had.  She made a pretty miraculous turn-around and is still here with us today.

I just lost my father less than a month ago - and I can say that after going through all of these events and am more and more starting to believe in an afterlife.  I have practiced yoga and a Dahn center where they help you work with your energy - I dont know I am kind of rambling..I guess my point is that I am not so afraid of death anymore.  Still a little...but not nearly as much.  I hope you start to overcome your fear also. :)

[quote author=Marilyn Maitreya link=1155071079/15#25 date=1155318257]Chumley, when will you finally understand that our bodies are but mere temporary vehicles for our spirits/souls in the physical. It doesn't matter what happens to the body after death. You are not your body, never have been, never will be.

Love, Mairlyn
******************
Mairlyn,
Perhaps we ARE more than our physical bodies, I'll concede
that much.
BUT - what if THIS life, is the ONLY shot we get at C1, that
we won't pass this way again?
I think I know why people are scared to die. There's so many
great things here, and SO LITTLE TIME to experience them...
And we'll get to spend the rest of FOREVER wondering what
those things are like.
What if there's no FOOD in the afterlife?
No more beer? No more getting drunk or high?
What if there's no more of "something else" (you
know what I mean.)
I'd like to know what it's like to be RICH, Mairlyn. But
what if I never get there (I'm trying!) There's no money
in the afterlife, it's COMMUNISM there... right? I've probably
got about 40 more years (optimistically.) Even if I DO get rich,
how long do I get to ENJOY it (before disease and decrepitude set in?)
SO...
I think I'll go into the freezer when I die, Mairlyn. The
afterlife will come when it comes in any case. For me though,
I think I'll put it off for a few more centuries, or millennia...
(At least I'm gonna try!)
'Nuff said there,

B-man

Welcome to the board. Its natural to fear death but what I have feared more is whether life means anything or is it just pointless?

My personal research over the past couple of years from many different areas of evidences for the afterlife has made me become a fervent believer in the afterlife. I still classify it as a 'belief' because I do not have the certifiable proof that others say they have. I have no reason to disbelieve them because I give them the benefit of the doubt since I am a believer in the evidence.

As far as areas of evidence for the afterlife goes. There are 23 outlined on Victor Zammit - A lawyer presents the case for the aftelife.

http://www.victorzammit.com/

I am not a Christian or a follower of religion (though I am partial to the spiritualist view). I am an 'evidential believer' as I might phrase it. I believe in the legitimacy of the evidence presented through Near Death Experiences, psychics and mediums, those on this board who have had direct experience and most excitingly quantum physicists.

http://www.synchronizeduniverse.com/

I have personally experienced strange dreams and many instances of synchronisity that I am beginning to accept as more than mere co-incidences. I am coming around to the view that when the evidence and experience can be seen as a whole, the belief of the afterlife can become more than belief it can become acceptance of the reality of the afterlife. But I haven't quite reached that stage yet.

But these are only my experiences. Everyone's journey of discovery in this life is different and as fellow human beings we try to share our experiences to help and inform others. I prefer this kind of debate rather than everyone disagreeing or putting other views down. This is why this board is a great place for discussion.

Never say die

B-dawg wrote on Aug 12^th, 2006 at 10:55am:

[quote author=Marilyn Maitreya link=1155071079/15#25 date=1155318257]Perhaps we ARE more than our physical bodies, I'll concede that much. BUT - what if THIS life, is the ONLY shot we get at C1, that we won't pass this way again?

It depends on whether or not you believe in re-incarnation. I believe that our spirit can have more than one earth life. I believe in the evidence for re-incarnation of which there are links to Victor Zammit's website.

Some people don't like the idea of re-incarnation because of a fear of losing that sense of self or that memory of who you are now. It would seem like your personality had died and you had a new one and a new body in a new life. But there are misconceptions about re-incarnation as I understand it. Re-incarnation is not an instant process that occurs immediately after death. Everybody passes over into the spirit world and can choose to come back and live another earth life if this will help their soul's growth.

I believe that fundamentally as incarnated beings and spirit beings we have the free will to make our own choices. We are not forced into our choices and god does not judge us. We judge ourselves through our own choices. If we experience a hell level for a period it is because our own selfishness, greed or own insecurities have drawn us to that level. But although it would be unpleasant we can ask for help and move up to heavenly levels.

God loves and guides us on our spiritual journey. It is up to us to make the most of it now in this life. So we won't have to come back for life after life (not that we are forced to but in order to ascend to our most perfect potential as spirits we do what we must to reach this point)

That is how I see it anyway.

Never say die

Ummmm, that quote was from Chumley, not me. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

Never Say Die wrote:

"(Not that we are forced to but in order to ascend to our most perfect potential as spirits we do what we must to reach this point.)"

I've been wondering... What is the definition of a perfected state of existence? The word "perfect" is so malleable; undefinable; subjective. What is perfect for one, may not be perfect for another. One definition of perfected is: "Complete of its nature or kind." I suppose to each, perfect would then be their conditions set forth to reach completeness of nature or kind. Still, this concept of "perfect" leaves me cosmically wondering amidst its vastness of subjective definability.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

augoeideian wrote on Aug 11^th, 2006 at 8:39am:

Marilyn hi, hope you had a good birthday yesterday  :) With all my respect to you i just need to add my pov here; you said:  Let the Light in and realize that Christians are going by what they have been told to believe.   I was not told anything by anyone, i found my Love for Christ all by myself.  ;) I hope Steve, newwayknight, you do not mind me copying a line you said elsewhere: Quote Steve, I just wanted to suggest that the concepts of God and faith are likely alot broader than many of God's followers suggest as they try to put God in a "box" so to speak.  I've always found it amusing that many claim to know all the "rules" or "boundaries" of God, etc. I think think that comment deserves framing!  Steve, i read this post a few days ago and could not find it again so i did a search of your posts under your profile - i would like to say i think you are a very fine character - all your posts are made with such honesty and gentleness, this site is extremely fortunate to have you here and thank you for being a good friend to Juditha. May you be comforted with the recent passing over of your beloved Dad who i am sure is very very proud of you. I think death is liberating; it is said that the moment of death is the most glorious event for the Soul.  If we could see 'on the other side' we would behold a sight beyond our normal senses - the rejoicing, the colours, the music, the angels ready to take the hands of us, the family members who have gone before are there ready for re-uniting. There is honour in death - as it is a honour to be here in earth although i believe we should rejoice at death and cry at birth. Love and peace.

Thank you very much for the kind words.  I am extremely humbled, to say the least!  If you find anything useful in any post I make, feel free to quote or use it as you want to.

Cosmic_Ambitions wrote on Aug 13^th, 2006 at 5:53pm:

Never Say Die wrote: "(Not that we are forced to but in order to ascend to our most perfect potential as spirits we do what we must to reach this point.)" I've been wondering... What is the definition of a perfected state of existence? The word "perfect" is so malleable; undefinable; subjective. What is perfect for one, may not be perfect for another. One definition of perfected is: "Complete of its nature or kind." I suppose to each, perfect would then be their conditions set forth to reach completeness of nature or kind. Still, this concept of "perfect" leaves me cosmically wondering amidst its vastness of subjective definability. PUL, Cosmic_Ambitions

I would like to think that each soul is striving for its 'own' perfection. But I also believe that everyone's perfection is essentially in the end equal. That is to truly be at one with god, no feeling of separation. It would be like you were god and everyone else was too. Kind of like universal conciousness.

I suppose 'happiness' is subjective as well. If you were perfectly happy spiritually then you might not want to come back to earth again, although I hear in some parts that we may come back to play a role in helping others whose souls we are close to. Helping them with their progression. These are some reasons why living more than one incarnation makes sense to me.

Ya I kno how that feels I have those thoughts all the time its pretty bad since i realized i was gonna die i cant even watch horror movies anymore and they are my favourite. But if I watch it the thought of death will come into my mind and wont go away. trust me i kno how you feel like When i realized i was gonna die for 2 weeks i couldnt hardly eat i was just so down and crying all the time. But now the thought of it comes in my head sometimes but not all the time nemore. when u think about it hun just tell ur self its ok there is a place for me when i die and its gonna be a good experience. also try doing somethings that will get it off ur mind. also that helped me is i ate alot of sun flower seeds when i was worrying about it. it kinda calms you down. well I hope I helped ya gotta go byes