In my opinion,the spirit world is not heaven.I think its a place between our earth and heaven.So I would say that everyone who dies go to the spirit world.We could stay there as long as we want,before coming back to earth for more lassons.As jesus says,many are called,but few our chosen,or all have sinned and have come short of the kindom of God.George

Hi George I beleive that the spirit world is heaven and this earth plain is hell,and the spirit world is Gods world,the first words of the lords prayer is"Our father,who art in heaven"and God gives all of us a chance to make amends for whatever we are making amends for.God forgives us,if we truly repent.

This earth plain is were all the hatred,misery and violence is,thats why when we lay down and fall asleep for the last time,our spirit goes into heaven,which is our divine spirit Gods world and it is full of unconditional love and the one thing we all want and thats peace.

Jesus said to the two theives who were also on the cross that day with him,you will be in paradise with me,and that is the spirit world,which is heaven.Thats what i beleive.Love and god bless you juditha

While I dont want to draw this thread into a religious one it has to be pointed out that in all of Bruces books and all the other material I have read I have never come across an overly religious theme to the more level-headed afterlife research. Don't get me wrong im not denying the existance of God or Heaven but by citing certain Jesus quotes are you not enforcing the idea that one religious is right at the expense of others?

Hi Senote thats not what im trying to do,this is just my beleif and i quote what Jesus says because of my beleif,everyone has there own ideas and beleifs and this one is mine.Love and god bless juditha.

The spiritworld is heaven my dads there i know he is i know when my time comes i will meet my dad there love and light deanna

AH1976 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2006 at 5:28pm:

While I dont want to draw this thread into a religious one it has to be pointed out that in all of Bruces books and all the other material I have read I have never come across an overly religious theme to the more level-headed afterlife research. Don't get me wrong im not denying the existance of God or Heaven but by citing certain Jesus quotes are you not enforcing the idea that one religious is right at the expense of others?

I don't think that is necessarily so.  One of the things that I find fascinating is how alot of what I've learned about Bruce's experiences, NDE's, etc. does not necessarily conflict with the Christian faith.  In fact, alot of these things tend to confirm it, on an even more mystical level.  

There are legacies of confirmational experiences and personal experiences by the multitude both in the history of the Christian faith (saints, miracles, visions, etc.) AND in the things experienced by people on this board and around the world.  

It is not automatically unreconcilable, and as we do not possess all knowledge, who is to say it is not at some high level all reconcilable?  

I always love the idea that what is impossible with man is possible with God.  That leaves a ton of room for lots of new knowledge and revelation for us! ;)

Juditha,

I don't think those thieves where what you would class as sinners ,from what I remember they stole for survival, bread wasnt it. And in the higher order I'm not sure thats a sin.

In any case the after life is still a process for our souls /higher selves to learn through. I don't think its a picnic as the process of evolution is still at hand. In any case once you regain full consciousness I'm sure you'll see things differently than you do today.

How Long do we stay in the spirit world?

Forever.

George, you are in the spirit world right now.  

If you believe you have a second body that survives physical death then this shouldn't be very hard to grasp.

Heaven is not a reward that you receive at the end of your life.  You are deciding right now whether you are in hell or heaven.

Hell is not a punishment from God at the end of your life.  No one with a heart would ever punish another being with a banishment to hell, let alone God.  Only you can sentence yourself to hell.

If you want to be in heaven then love has to be the motive for every thing you do or think.  Try practicing this by loving people the way you would imagine that God loves them.  If you can do this then you're already living in heaven.  When you take away the flesh you will be in a very happy heaven surrounded by beings who are like you.

If you would rather live for yourself and take advantage of every living thing in order to gratify your physical needs.  You are already in hell.   When you take away the flesh you will continue this hellish existance in the next world surrounded by hellish beings like you.  And if you don't want to change your ways no one will be able to help you.

My advice - choose to live in heaven right now.  It's a lot of hard work but you'll be a happier person ultimately.

Love,
Rick

newwayknight wrote on Aug 7^th, 2006 at 7:35pm:

AH1976 wrote on Aug 7th, 2006 at 5:28pm: While I dont want to draw this thread into a religious one it has to be pointed out that in all of Bruces books and all the other material I have read I have never come across an overly religious theme to the more level-headed afterlife research. Don't get me wrong im not denying the existance of God or Heaven but by citing certain Jesus quotes are you not enforcing the idea that one religious is right at the expense of others? I don't think that is necessarily so.  One of the things that I find fascinating is how alot of what I've learned about Bruce's experiences, NDE's, etc. does not necessarily conflict with the Christian faith.  In fact, alot of these things tend to confirm it, on an even more mystical level.   There are legacies of confirmational experiences and personal experiences by the multitude both in the history of the Christian faith (saints, miracles, visions, etc.) AND in the things experienced by people on this board and around the world.   It is not automatically unreconcilable, and as we do not possess all knowledge, who is to say it is not at some high level all reconcilable?   I always love the idea that what is impossible with man is possible with God.  That leaves a ton of room for lots of new knowledge and revelation for us! ;)

I apologise for kinda starting a slightly off-topic debate, but a lot of whats said here goes over my head so I dont get many chances to post. I appreciate what your saying but it seems to me that and your right  Bruces own experiences don't conflict with the Christian faith, but he himself sais Christians end up in their own idylic vision of heaven all together, suggesting that the afterlife is what we make it. From his books I get the impression there is a 'central core' that sort of organises it but that everyone else is free to do as they wish Christians have their heaven, Satanists have their hell and pie eaters spend their time flying round the clouds on a giant blueberry pie if thats what they choose.

Now fair play people suggesting that this is all actually heaven or that heaven comes after, and that God created all or God is our father etc but it seems to me when they do this in their head they see it in their own religious sense whether thats Christianity, Catholicism etc. And as you say since we don't know all then maybe if the afterlife is religious maybe Christianity is the true religion, maybe the Greeks were right with their many gods but the point I was badly making was that people seems to still have this 'the afterlife is christian cos im christian and it must be right' mindset.

ps. sometimes I ramble sometimes I dont make my point very well, maybe this is one of those times  :-/

Senote, you made the point very well!  

I used to be a fundamentalist Christian, and believed if one did not believe in The One True God of Christianity and the bible, then that person would end up in a fiery hell eternally.  And that every other religion was wrong.

Since coming here and exploring for myself, I see this just isn't true.  There is no "set in stone", this group goes to heaven, that group to hell.

What you believe here is what you carry with you there.  My friend Jerry is a good example..and I haven't been able to find him for quite some time.  Its posted here somewhere, but long story short:  He crossed over.  His beliefs in this life were that any unforgiven, unconfessed sin in this life and you were no longer "saved".

I found him sitting outside of a church on a rock, very sad after he crossed.  See, he had enough doubt that he couldn't "get in"..but not so much that he ended up in eternal torment.  I tried to convince him to go inside, have a bite to eat.

Hmm..I wonder what Jerry is doing these days?  I think I need to explore and see if he's ok..

Hi Senote,

I think you made your point very well, I just wanted to suggest that the concepts of God and faith are likely alot broader than many of God's followers suggest as they try to put God in a "box" so to speak.  I've always found it amusing that many claim to know all the "rules" or "boundaries" of God, etc.

The other issue is the matter of interpretation.  Bruce's findings of the personal hell mesh pretty well with what I tend to believe...I.E.  that God doesn't SEND you to hell, you pretty much have to choose or want to go there.  

I do believe in justice, however, regarding those doing great evils in the world willfully and consciously, but I believe these are the sorts of people that would almost choose to be in a Max's Hell like in Bruce's chapter.  A true heaven would almost be a hell to this sort.

There are also alot of semantics with translation in religious documents, some of which are very significant.  A small nuance missed in translation can alter the interpretation.

I just wanted to suggest that what Bruce has found is not entirely unreconcileable..in fact, I've always believed that the real Heaven (and I'm a Catholic) is a whole lot like Focus 27 in Bruce's descriptions.  That sounds like an incredible place beyond what I've ever heard or seen...in other words, a real Heaven.

Hah, hah, hah! ;D I better watch it.


[quote author=senote  and pie eaters spend their time flying round the clouds on a giant blueberry pie if thats what they choose.

I'll go with the below. Chances are that Jesus was simply telling people that if you want to end up in a nice place when you die, then don't sow a negative one while you're here in the physical  (not his words of course). It's not about punishment. It's about what you sow. If a person spends his or her life being an angry hateful person, chances are they won't be ready to move on to heaven when they cross over.


[quote author=newwayknight link=1154981181/0#10 date=1155073022]Hi Senote,


There are also alot of semantics with translation in religious documents, some of which are very significant.  A small nuance missed in translation can alter the interpretation.