deanna wrote on Aug 6^th, 2006 at 5:20pm:

I think derek acorah is the best medium ever ,he is a sincere person i dont believe he is fake and i never will ,if i had a message [reading] from derek i would believe everything he told me ,derek is the best   ::) ::) ;D love deanna

Sorry Deanna as much as I'd love to believe you common sense shows otherwise. Firstly theres the public statement that he got caught faking the Most Haunted show. Then if you watch his own show 'Derek Acorahs Ghost Towns' it is blatantly obvious how much he fakes it either that or theres a lot of 'grumpy old man' ghosts out that that love posessing Derek. Dont get me wrong I do believe he has some skill but sadly he feels the need to exaggerate it and add showmanship to it which sadly only spoils it.

I think derek acorah is a fake medium and a fraud. He is a liar and I believe he is fake and it will take alot of evidence to proove otherwise. If i had a message [reading] from derek I would believe nothing he told me. Derek and others use trickery and deceit which can only lower the credibility of all mediums.

Any medium that recommends Derek Acorah should not be surprised if they are treated with doubt and skeptism as well.

Deanna, perhaps you could explain why you think he is a genuine medium?

I'm very confused by this thread.  One is extolling the virtues of a medium.  Another is very critical of same medium.

What does any of this have to do with Afterlife Knowledge?

And, why the negativity?  That just brings us all down.

Honestly, I know nothing of the man myself, have never seen him "work"..

Is this a really necessary thread?

Shirley wrote on Aug 7^th, 2006 at 3:45pm:

I'm very confused by this thread.  One is extolling the virtues of a medium.  Another is very critical of same medium. What does any of this have to do with Afterlife Knowledge? And, why the negativity?  That just brings us all down. Honestly, I know nothing of the man myself, have never seen him "work".. Is this a really necessary thread?

Ummm for those not able to find out own way to contact the afterlife or those who dont realise its possible mediums are one of the few possible ways of talking with our loved ones. Since some of the people here are training or practising mediums isnt the discussion of the art and those who fake the art a valid topic?

As for the negativity bringing us down, would it not be more negative to believe that all mediums are real and thus be conned and misled by the bogus ones? discussion of the fraudelant mediums opens our eyes to the existance of these people.

is it necessary? maybe not, but valid yes.

Most of the people here are what would be considered mediums. I just don't see how putting someone down, who is not here to defend themselves, helps anyone.

I stand by my thoughts that this is not a necessary thread..unless Derek himself is going to come here to post.

Yes shirley i agree ,i,ve deleted it now  sorry love deanna

Hi matt i,ve always liked derek theres just something about him i know derek supposed to have faked a couple of things but he could not have faked everything on most haunted ,anyway i,ve deleted it now  love deanna

I agree that we have to have a very high standard of discernment when it comes to gifts and mediums, in order to weed out the fakes from the genuine.

However, it is possible that both groups are right on this Derek fellow.  It is certainly not impossible that someone with a modicum of true gifts might also be less than perfect when it comes to integrity...in order to exploit it to a higher degree for financial reasons, fame, etc. In other words, this guy might have gifts AND have faked some elements in order to create events, press, etc.

just a thought, but not everyone uses their gifts for good intentions.

Well sorry but I agree with Senote here! Most Spiritual sites I visit have debates about different Mediums and how genuine or Fraudulent they are....Medium,s put themselves in the lime-light and like any Celeb they have people talk about them. It is called *Life *

It has everything to do with Afterlife Knowledge since Mediums claim to contact Spirit in the*Afterlife * I don't think anyone has a right to dictate to anyone here what or what not they should start a thread about. If we all had that attitude then just imagine the bickering that would occur.

Deanna, Juditha, you had no need to delete anything, we all have free speech and Senote or anyone else has a right to reply with their own opinion. And just for the record...I also think Acorah is a Fraud and I would love to say it to his face!!

newwayknight wrote on Aug 7^th, 2006 at 8:04pm:

I agree that we have to have a very high standard of discernment when it comes to gifts and mediums, in order to weed out the fakes from the genuine. However, it is possible that both groups are right on this Derek fellow.  It is certainly not impossible that someone with a modicum of true gifts might also be less than perfect when it comes to integrity...in order to exploit it to a higher degree for financial reasons, fame, etc. In other words, this guy might have gifts AND have faked some elements in order to create events, press, etc. just a thought, but not everyone uses their gifts for good intentions.

Well said!

I wouldn't say fraud but more talented showman, he exagerates or suppliments his gifts for his own benefit rather than the benefit of others.

You missed my point entirely.  I agree, Deanna did not need to delete her thread.  She obviously feels a connection to this man or she would not have spoken so highly of him.

This man is not here to defend himself..THAT was my point.  Celeb or not, no one deserves that.

I suppose there are frauds, those who would use their gifts for ill purpose.  Unless we know him personally, or he makes the statement that that is what he has done, we truly cannot know.

Newspapers, television reporters, love making people look worse than they are..

Shirley wrote on Aug 7^th, 2006 at 9:26pm:

You missed my point entirely.  I agree, Deanna did not need to delete her thread.  She obviously feels a connection to this man or she would not have spoken so highly of him. This man is not here to defend himself..THAT was my point.  Celeb or not, no one deserves that. I suppose there are frauds, those who would use their gifts for ill purpose.  Unless we know him personally, or he makes the statement that that is what he has done, we truly cannot know. Newspapers, television reporters, love making people look worse than they are..

If you live in the UK try and catch his television show its called 'Derek Acorahs Ghost Towns' he also does a live show now and then. His show is 1hr a week and he has a truck that goes town to town, he invites the public into the truth to tell their stories about ghosts and hauntings etc. What makes his show good entertainment for joe public but quite frustrating for those of us with a more serious mind to these things is that literally every week he encounters at least one malevelant spirit who will speak through him and cause him to be quite offensive to others. His truck stopped in my town last year and one of the customers in my shop is a local historian and actually spoke on the show, what they dont tell you is they they research haunted locations prior to filming, ok so maybe its unfair not to expect him to pick locations that will likely generate a hit.

There are other comments that have been made, people have picked massive holes in his live shows, there is a website with it on http://homepage.ntlworld.com/isil.telemnar/Doublexposure/ghost_towns_live.htm. And he has even gone so far as to give advice to people on tv about changing career etc, something that is apparently illegal to do. Possibly the biggest sign he is more materialistic (ie after money) than other more genuine mediums is the simple fact he has his own premium rate psychic hotline.

I am always honest if nothing else and I will say when he was doing the most haunted show it was more watchable with him being posessed regularly and picking up the spirits of evil people than it was in later series with mediums who actually dont get posessed or see evil people everywhere. I personally though want realism rather than entertainment, but since Most Haunted and Ghost Towns are both categorised as 'psychic entertainment' I doubt i'll get that.

Finally, I understand where your coming from that the guy isn't here to defend himself, but he has put himself in this position of celebrity status and that in my mind is a luxury you lose when you take that position.

Ahh, ok Senote.  I don't live in the UK, but we do get the BBC on satelite..I'll see if it pops up on there.

Psychic hotline, huh?   :(  I haven't seen an ad for one of those in a long time..but then again, they don't advertise on the Science Channel, lol..

Shirley wrote on Aug 8^th, 2006 at 3:25pm:

Ahh, ok Senote.  I don't live in the UK, but we do get the BBC on satelite..I'll see if it pops up on there. Psychic hotline, huh?   :(  I haven't seen an ad for one of those in a long time..but then again, they don't advertise on the Science Channel, lol..

Unfortunately he probably won't appear on BBC, his program, which is the single best example of whats wrong with him is on a cable/commercial satellite channel. In public appearances he comes across as a very genuine very honest medium, its only when he is working on tv (and maybe personal appearances) that the problems arise. Its a real shame because as I say I do feel he has some real talent and he is the kind of man you do feel to be true and honest and do want to believe.

IMHO a much better medium is Gordon Smith, much better hit rate and unlike most tv mediums (he does very little tv and doesnt have his own show ... yet, but did do a season of Most Haunted) he actually has been a real practising Spirtualist medium with the Spiritualist church. Take a look at [url=www.psychicbarber.com[/url]]www.psychicbarber.com[/url] he does a monthly online radio show I think.

If we were to comment only on people that were able to respond in the same place as us, then many different types of media would cease to exist, we express our beliefs upon what we've learned and if these beliefs have to do with a particular person then they are well to be expressed. I don't see any harm, since the same thing happen every day in the news in the radion in the tv and almost everywere else. Furthermore, these beliefs have their roots in facts and if many people seem to have the same belief then it is good that the whole thing comes to surface since it leads to more investigation....I am not saying that we have to accept it cause many people support it. It is however a good excuse and motive to search for ourselves.....For example I agree that Gordon Smith probably is a very powerful medium and I know that he is a very nice chap....search for him guys....:)

Hi Ive watched Derek Acorah on his shows ,and not so long back i watched him on a show,i think it was called the three mediums,there was Derek, Colin Fry and Tony Stockwell.Derek was fantastic on that show,as he and the other two mediums,were on stage ,giving messages from spirit to the people in the audience,and Derek,Colin and Tony were all spot on.

It made me realise that Derek has got a true gift there and he was using that gift,on that show without any showmanship,he was being the true medium that he is under all that showmanship and acting.One day he will wake up to that.Love and god bless.juditha

Derek has been involved in a number of dubious incidents


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Ciaran, a lecturer in the paranormal at Liverpool's Hope University, knows speaking out will probably put an end to his media career... but he believes viewers should know the truth. He says: "I think it's time to open the dialogue about what I've experienced on Most Haunted. There have been many incidents with the medium that have been brushed under the carpet. "I was put in the show to give a professional slant to it, to give it an element of credibility, but the sceptical argument is just swept away. "In my opinion, we're not dealing with genuine mediumship." He says he isn't the only member of the crew who feels viewers are being cheated. "Other crew members have been irked by Derek and what's going on, because it turns what should be a serious investigation into a laughing matter."

And anyone that has looked into this topic seriously knows about Colin Fry and the trumpet. Sorry, but I will not let my self be decieved. Mediums have no need for showmanship and trickery if they are genuine and honest.