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Message started by Accelerator on Jul 25th, 2006 at 7:31pm

Title: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by Accelerator on Jul 25th, 2006 at 7:31pm
                         WHY THE AFTERLIFE IS LOGICAL

EVOLUTION – We know that everything.. in time.. evolves… and that each further stage of evolution.. proceeds from a former stage.. and becomes more complex.. while.. at the same time.. achieving the greater degree of freedom.

The question is.. What evolves out of human life?

What comes next?

In Teilhard de Chardin’s theory of evolution.. it is brought to our attention that what is evolving now.. is the human heart and mind.. Human consciousness is something that has been slowly growing and changing over the centuries.. and presently.. human imagination dances merrily on the highest peaks of evolution.

We also know that evolution proceeds in quantum- like leaps and bounds.

Could that next great leap the evolution takes be.. what we call the afterlife..?

That’s food for thought.


REPRODUCTION
We also know that life has a strong tendency to reproduce itself. Everyone knows what babies are so I won’t touch on that topic.. but what about other forms of reproduction.. which may still not be so obvious..?

Memories.. for example.

Memories are a form of reproduction.. of all the most interesting.. and exciting.. (and the worst things).. that we have ever experienced.

Consider this.. When ever we experience something that interests us or excites us.. our minds reproduce this as a memory. The question that begs to be answered here is why.. ?

Could it be that the purpose of our lives is to gather information… in  the form of experiences.. and to reproduce our material experiences in a non-material form.. ? In other words.. the universe itself reproduces itself by means of our organic senses.. and our purpose is to gather all this exciting and interesting information.. and when we are not doing this. Nature punishes us.. by making us feel bored.

Why do we love to travel..? Why do we love fast cars.. sport.. exploring.. sex.. friendship.. ?

Aren’t these the things that stay in our memories.. while the more trivial repetitive things are disregarded..?

If atoms and molecules are the building blocks of the physical universe.. then why shouldn’t emotionally charged memories be the building blocks of the next world.

A world that is imaginary.. yet paradoxically.. even more real.

My recent post on Joe’s Scripts illustrates this idea perfectly.


EVIDENCE FROM GENIUS
How many of our greatest thinkers.. the most intelligent people who have ever lived.. said.. that they either knew.. or believed.. that there was another level waiting (metaphorically) above us..?  Jesus.. the Buddha.. Einstein.. the list goes on forever.

Most atheist thinkers were more than likely disillusioned by misleading teachings of organized religion.. and failed to read the true words of the masters.

There are many atheist who believe that Buddha taught there was no after life.. because he taught there was no immortal soul.. but the reason he said this was because he understood that everything was in motion.. and therefore was continually changing. So.. even our souls evolve.. and in time we will for get our past personalities.. and move on to new ones. In fact.. the Buddha went deeply into the metaphysics of the afterlife.. much more than the Bible ever did..


WILL – (Or spirit)
We all want to live forever.. None of us really want to die (suicide is a sickness of the mind). Life.. itself in general.. is immortal.. meaning.. as fast as biological life dies it is being reborn.. as a baby.. or a bud. The message nature sends us is that the will of all life is to continue to exist.  The afterlife is in harmony with the course of nature.


REALITY
Thanks to modern physics we now know that reality is a strange kind of paradoxical existence. Since Plato we have believed that the universe was constructed out of solid particles.. and now we find that this isn’t really true. The solid ground under our feet is in fact mostly empty space.. with the so-called particles.. which seem more to resemble bits of information (or code) constantly move relative to each other.. while appearing and disappearing.. at incredible speeds. This creates the illusion of solidness. The dance of energy.

In the future.. our out-date belief in the material universe will become shelved.. and the idea that will replace it is that the universe is a kind of thought that originates from an imaginary dimension (noticed by Einstein.. but was refuted by the out-dated conventions of physics.).. that has always existed.. and always will. I call this imaginary dimension.. “A Primary Field”.

In religion this Primary Field had been expressed symbolically.. by and old man with a long white beard. Because it is not bound by the laws that govern the material universe.. it is neither created nor destroyed. It just exists eternally.. while an infinite number of universes form in it.. like small expanding bubbles. These universes.. (The object of our observation).. serve as platforms for consciousness (The subjective observer).. to evolve upon. It really is that simple.  

And.. the subjective observer is who we are.. We are this Primary Field.. by means of our consciousness.. looking into its own creation.. and reproducing this creation.. in our minds as memories…. And the accumation of these memories.. is what we call.. “our soul”

Nature loves a cycle.

Finally.. that well worn argument.. that every thing must be scientifically proved to be shown to be true.. is based on a short-sightedness.. thinking that science can prove absolutely everything.

However.. this is simply not true… science can not prove EVERYTHING.

Science has it boundaries and limitations.. especially concerning our subjective experiences.. like..  the activities of our imaginations.. (or minds).


Well.. I think I still have some more points to add.. but these will suffice for now.

If any one has some more logical arguments for.. or against.. you are most welcome to join in.


“So the picture of the world in the most sophisticated physics of today is not formed stuff--potted clay--but pattern. A self-moving, self-designing pattern. A dance. And our common sense as individuals hasn't yet caught up with this.’
                Allan Watts

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by Cosmic_Ambitions on Jul 25th, 2006 at 11:06pm
Great post Accelerator! I thoroughly enjoyed the breadth of your discussion. What you have written is a great extrapolation on the facts of the matter with relation to our ultimate reality.

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Accelerator wrote:

"REALITY
Thanks to modern physics we now know that reality is a strange kind of paradoxical existence. Since Plato we have believed that the universe was constructed out of solid particles.. and now we find that this isn’t really true. The solid ground under our feet is in fact mostly empty space.. with the so-called particles.. which seem more to resemble bits of information (or code) constantly move relative to each other.. while appearing and disappearing.. at incredible speeds. This creates the illusion of solidness. The dance of energy.

In the future.. our out-date belief in the material universe will become shelved.. and the idea that will replace it is that the universe is a kind of thought that originates from an imaginary dimension (noticed by Einstein.. but was refuted by the out-dated conventions of physics.).. that has always existed.. and always will. I call this imaginary dimension.. “A Primary Field"."
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(I totally agree with this perspective, it's very intuitive.)

It's pretty amazing when you think about the fact that everything within our physical reality, when broken down to it's most finite fabric/element is actually the same exact thing.  We are all one and the same. From chairs to humans to apples to paper, everything is made up of the same basic element of energy expressing itself in various ways/forms. Break these elements down past the molecule/atom/quark and one runs into the notions of quantum physics and String Theory. Whereby everything in existence is the end result of various vibrations of harmonizing/"randomizing"/multi-dimensional strings. It's these strings that make up the holographic universe that we and everything else find(s) ourselves/itself in. Like you said, "A self-moving, self-designing pattern. A dance. And our common sense as individuals hasn't yet caught up with this." Also, when one breaks out of this "harmony of strings" it is akin to striking a sour chord on the piano. It's just innately/natrurally wrong. This is innately known without any kind of education or preaching. For instance, play the wrong chord on a piano repeatedly to an untrained baby and it will invariably squirm and become agitated... now play some harmonious orchestral music and watch the baby smile and fall quietly asleep. It's the nature of strings... the nature of one.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by laffingrain on Jul 26th, 2006 at 12:01am
lol, thanks Accelerator for the deep thoughts. I kept thinking of the name Accelerator as a gas pedal and my foot was pressed down all the way while reading you. I even had to take notes!! ha ha! fun read really.
Cosmic, on the other side of my notes on gas pedal, I wrote "the mind of god is music."  so we are all on the same wave length.
the memory making. the experience gaining. its like a movie to me. I was playing in the movie, but not the entirety of my being was there.
the mind is like holographic film. the universe is holographic, reproducing into eternity, each kind after its own kind, each thought connecting to another.
Primary field= yes, us. we are as one, a wave, formless..taking on form.
we turned ourselves inside and out and here we are.
Nature loves a cycle..we gave outselves time, linear time. we live inside of linear time but there is not linear time in the other dimensions. there is only a now moment.
Einstein said: "The imagination is more important than knowledge."
Allan Watts ...yes, self designing, or also, self creators in the act of becoming that which they already are. love and life in abundance.

thanks, I think I just got a jump start from gas pedal. all my love, alysia

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by Cathy_B on Jul 26th, 2006 at 12:37am
You have certainly made me sit up and take notice, thanks!
Cathy

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by augoeideian on Jul 26th, 2006 at 2:37am
Wonderful nourishment Allan thanks.

Our Slow Dance to the Music of the Spheres - beautiful.  i particularly enjoyed the part of Memories -take everything away and we are left with our Memories and it is Feeling through our Senses that make these memories alive in our soul. Huge food for thought here, literally.

Interesting that you say or ponder that the next great leap or octave in our dance is the .. afterlife - i have presumed that the afterlife has always been and always will be - and within evolution forever obtaining that higher note that is expressed in creative freedom in the afterlife. i'd be interested to listen further what you have to say about this.

It is said that Christ is a reincarnation of the Budda.

i beg to differ that it was not that genius Plato who earthed our brains but it was Aristotle who squashed our Dance into mathematical equations and logical science.

The whole sounding tone of your post Allan is that we are Gods with the dynamics of the universe spread out before us and within us and around us.

i loved it - thank you  :)

Caryn

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by Indiglo on Jul 26th, 2006 at 9:50am
Oh, thank you, if you only knew how much I love stuff like this.

First few times it made my headspin, but I got a firm grasp on it sooner or later  ;)

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by augoeideian on Jul 31st, 2006 at 3:45am
Great stuff Indiglo - it is like mind gymnastics lol

Title: Re: Some Reasons Why the Afterlife is Logical
Post by Ralph Buskey on Jul 31st, 2006 at 9:49am
Hello Accelerator,

 Thank you for that well worded display of impeccable logic. It all makes sense to me in the way that you describe what is. I am currently trying to unravel the paradox of time. I believe time to be a constant, but many seem to think that time doesn't exist. So far, I like to visualize time as a wave travelling through space. I've been able to shift my awareness along various harmonics from the now moment. I feel that the future is still an unwritten story that we are constantly creating.

Ralph

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