How did it ever come about... or get confused, that fear is the way towards love; towards God. This is with respect to many religious doctrines/teachings that exist in our world today. The ones that control their followers by way of fear and cloud their minds with the idea that by fearing God one is in turn loving God. Many are even taught that by even questioning in one's mind the beliefs that are laid before them that they are in turn being blesphemous towards God, which in turn warrants an eternity in Hell without any chances of salvation. (Like this single lifetime was their only chance for salvation, but since they messed up their short stint of time here, they are in turn to pay in full by spending an eternity basking in Hell.) Something seems awefully wrong here. But, it seems that this notion of fear has such a hold that they are afraid to let their minds expand onto further extrapolations of the concepts of God for "fear" of being punished for all of eternity. This fear idea seems like an irreversable catch 22 that feeds off of itself and never relents to a more meaningful solution.

Thoughts?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

yes, I have some psychology thoughts; tell me if you think its any relevance to your train of thought...this is from my book..wasn't sure whether to leave it in the book or not...need opinion. thanks ahead of time. :-/  (was gonna use our favorite bathtub smilie but it disappeared)

Guilt Which Acts Out


  LR made a study of certain relationships where people use guilt and innocence, or punishment and reward to some end. She asked DP what he thought about it, why they act this way. The following is his answer. It’s convoluted because it’s circular interaction-reaction behavior.
LR: DP, why did my mother push her chin into Big Jim’s fist? I saw this.
DP: Because she offered him a challenge LR.
LR: Why then did he hit a woman weaker in physical strength?
DP: Because the chin put itself on the fist? ha ha!
LR: Very funny DP. Could you be serious please?
DP: All right my dear. Remember one thing; a relationship is one unit. No victims and no perpetrators who did not come here for the interaction. Wisdom comes after the long walk home. No free rides. Guilt is a mask over fear which says punishment is acceptable, even desirable because within relationship can exist a game of control whereby one measures his innocence or his power against another.  It is a natural act spirit portrays within ego dominion and building. There is no judgment in ego building; such building creates greater consciousness starting in childhood; as does the act of separation from All That is Good create challenge. The thesis of no pain no gain, another belief system, yields it’s expectations of courage gain, internal fortitude allowing the ego to disintegrate and be cast off when of no use to a soul after experience gained.  Ego is necessary to navigate a belief system world, yet this is a unique planet and does not represent the only dimension of spirit playground.
  All beings feel right. Supremacy without wisdom is force unbalanced.  Within  consensus agreement we are obliged to observe force without wisdom, without compassion; yet the one who would come here for this, learns of this only here; this is his or her school room opportunity to develop correction within balance. Later, you see it was a movie you were in. A larger part of us, Big Mind we can call it, thrust a finger into the set. What you did observe was small mind. You were a projection of Big Mind, and you thought you were the beginning and the end as small mind. Remember the observer, the part of mind you came here to develop and when it happens, synchronization of events in your life fall into place easily.
   Rapists and murderers, the extreme examples in our society feel right. The common renegade spirit is energetically out of balance.  He is in agreement to be self seeking due to spiritual depletion and/or exploration of small mind. Victims arrange their lesson plans with such on unseen levels. The forceful ones are metered into the Earth plane according to planners; beings with wisdom.  Only the victim can reclaim or redeem the soul of the perpetrator; and this is unseen justice but tappable in the observatory lab.  As you know in this particular relationship you were witness to, Jim considered women as objects  beneath himself. Your mother begged to differ, literally. The victim role in this instance is getting one up-man-ship over the perpetrator; in other words, hit me, it feels good, because this will prove my righteousness. Two wrongs do not make a right, yet two are engaged for the purpose of the experience gain.  DP continued as if speaking for mother: If you hit me I can then prove I am superior even if I did something to make you hit me, you should have been in control  because we agree hitting a woman is wrong. He hits her, her point is proven. As she does this action, he perceives that might makes right.  While she claims her rightness within a claim to innocence. He has succumbed to a fear thought. She has succumbed to nothing.
LR: Hold on. She succumbed to a flight instinct. He split her lip and she ran away screaming.
DP: Right. Her spirit did not succumb. Her body was broken, not the spirit. She still felt right. Guilt and innocence was passed back and forth utilizing the body.  Between the victim and the victimizer is created the product of relationship. We are necessary for one another for our drama, we are one. We cannot be powerful beings without each other. There is no solution except to surrender having to be right, to the observer part of the mind, and this within generosity of spirit and lack of fear of loss. Did you notice the change in their relationship some thirty years later?
LR: Why yes, it was amusing! Jim had stopped punching although he could still get angry with her, she had a way of making faces at him, perhaps a twinkle in her eye like this was all a game.Then they would both laugh. They did this by eye contact and telepathy. It was instant balance for both of them. She was still pushing his buttons but now he didn’t lose control.
DP: Yes, she was teaching him where the boundaries were.
LR: Did he teach her anything?
DP: He allowed her to be herself. It is as a lovingness and reinforcement of her uniqueness that he gave her audience. She is a stubborn woman. He has grown to the point that he realizes she is no threat to his own sense of being right.
LR: That’s quite an accomplishment for him, wouldn’t you say?
DP: Yes, he had obtained control and possession of self in this life.

Cosmic_Ambitions wrote on Jul 18^th, 2006 at 1:07am:

How did it ever come about... or get confused, that fear is the way towards love; towards God. This is with respect to many religious doctrines/teachings that exist in our world today. The ones that control their followers by way of fear and cloud their minds with the idea that by fearing God one is in turn loving God. Many are even taught that by even questioning in one's mind the beliefs that are laid before them that they are in turn being blesphemous towards God, which in turn warrants an eternity in Hell without any chances of salvation. (Like this single lifetime was their only chance for salvation, but since they messed up their short stint of time here, they are in turn to pay in full by spending an eternity basking in Hell.) Something seems awefully wrong here. But, it seems that this notion of fear has such a hold that they are afraid to let their minds expand onto further extrapolations of the concepts of God for "fear" of being punished for all of eternity. This fear idea seems like an irreversable catch 22 that feeds off of itself and never relents to a more meaningful solution. Thoughts? PUL, Cosmic_Ambitions

I don't believe in any kind of hell other than the one we are living in now. I think somewhere other than evil somebody created suffering. The two toghether make it really hard on those who are trying to be good. I don't understand the concept of fear either, the biblical idea of it is discipline. I have felt about some of the most unbehaved people around me in my life, is that I want something done about them, unless you have encountered a great deal of hatered in you life maybe then, you don't understand it.
There is someone that done things to me that I can't disscuss with anyone other than my family, and she hasn't really gotten away with it in a way but in a way she has, shes related to some very well known person. She should be in prison. I want her to go to prison. I try to avoid the feelings but when I think about what has happened, you know I want her to suffer like I have. I want her to fear actually. I know its wrong but I feel that way. But punishment is not my job, and I begin to understand what punishment is. I don't believe in an everlasting hell. At some point unless a creature is just made to be evil then their has to be a release of something good.

Eggshellseas,

First, I would pay careful attention to what Alysia writes. She is one of the wisest people on this board, and she isn't here because she has a dire need to be here.

"I don't believe in any kind of hell other than the one we are living in now. I think somewhere other than evil somebody created suffering. The two toghether make it really hard on those who are trying to be good."

You ARE good. If you think you have to try to be good,  like it's something you aspire to, that's a sign that your conscious awareness is not aligned with who you really are. This is a major cause of suffering.

"I don't understand the concept of fear either, the biblical idea of it is discipline."

Suggestion for now: The next time you read the Bible, remember this: Love and fear cannot exist in the same place at the same time. They are in contradiction. Fear is the absence of Love. Love is real, fear only appears to be real. Reread the Bible, but this time accept what strikes you as loving and toss out the rest.

"I have felt about some of the most unbehaved people around me in my life, is that I want something done about them, unless you have encountered a great deal of hatered in you life maybe then, you don't understand it."

Don't underestimate the suffering undergone by the members of this board. Trust me, you have no idea.

Balancing things out, making sure lessons are learned and things coming out in the end as they should in the big picture, are the responsibility of others. We are responsible for ourselves. We should mind our own selves. When we focus on what others should do, how they should be, what should happen to them, ect. we are not focused on ourselves, our own business. We are not minding our own store.

"There is someone that done things to me that I can't disscuss with anyone other than my family, and she hasn't really gotten away with it in a way but in a way she has, shes related to some very well known person."

She has not gotten away with anything. What she needs to learn will be handled by her higher self and guidance. They can do a much better job than either you or me.

"She should be in prison. I want her to go to prison."

Maybe, maybe not. What she goes through in this life is not up to you or me. And there are considerations that lie beyond the awareness of most people. Like attachments by dark entities, known in biblical language as demonic possession. What if this person had this problem? Would you wish prison, or the releasement of the entities? Which would be the more loving wish? Yet you problably don't know if this is the situation or not. This is an example of why it's best to withold judgement. We don't know everything. We don't have the big picture. And we don't know what this person came into this life of hers to do, to learn, and to teach those she interacts with. Sometimes we learn the depth and nuances of what Love is better by learning what it is NOT.

"I try to avoid the feelings but when I think about what has happened, you know I want her to suffer like I have. I want her to fear actually. I know its wrong but I feel that way. But punishment is not my job, and I begin to understand what punishment is. I don't believe in an everlasting hell. At some point unless a creature is just made to be evil then their has to be a release of something good."

No 'creature' is made to be evil. Wishing fear for someone, anyone, instead of Love is not being the good person you really are while also denying the divine spark that is in every creature. When you deny this divine spark, which is part of God, you are denying God (aka Pure Unconditional Love/All There Is). This is why it feels wrong. By wishing fear you are denying Love. By doing this you are doing two things: you are returning evil for evil, taking a step down from who you really are, and distancing yourself from God, Love, whatever you want to call it. Two wrongs never make a right. Our thoughts matter, btw.

Love,
Rob

Rob_Roy wrote on Jul 18^th, 2006 at 3:10am:

Eggshellseas, First, I would pay careful attention to what Alysia writes. She is one of the wisest people on this board, and she isn't here because she has a dire need to be here. "I don't believe in any kind of hell other than the one we are living in now. I think somewhere other than evil somebody created suffering. The two toghether make it really hard on those who are trying to be good." You ARE good. If you think you have to try to be good,  like it's something you aspire to, that's a sign that your conscious awareness is not aligned with who you really are. This is a major cause of suffering. "I don't understand the concept of fear either, the biblical idea of it is discipline." Suggestion for now: The next time you read the Bible, remember this: Love and fear cannot exist in the same place at the same time. They are in contradiction. Fear is the absence of Love. Love is real, fear only appears to be real. Reread the Bible, but this time accept what strikes you as loving and toss out the rest. "I have felt about some of the most unbehaved people around me in my life, is that I want something done about them, unless you have encountered a great deal of hatered in you life maybe then, you don't understand it." Don't underestimate the suffering undergone by the members of this board. Trust me, you have no idea. Balancing things out, making sure lessons are learned and things coming out in the end as they should in the big picture, are the responsibility of others. We are responsible for ourselves. We should mind our own selves. When we focus on what others should do, how they should be, what should happen to them, ect. we are not focused on ourselves, our own business. We are not minding our own store. "There is someone that done things to me that I can't disscuss with anyone other than my family, and she hasn't really gotten away with it in a way but in a way she has, shes related to some very well known person." She has not gotten away with anything. What she needs to learn will be handled by her higher self and guidance. They can do a much better job than either you or me. "She should be in prison. I want her to go to prison." Maybe, maybe not. What she goes through in this life is not up to you or me. And there are considerations that lie beyond the awareness of most people. Like attachments by dark entities, known in biblical language as demonic possession. What if this person had this problem? Would you wish prison, or the releasement of the entities? Which would be the more loving wish? Yet you problably don't know if this is the situation or not. This is an example of why it's best to withold judgement. We don't know everything. We don't have the big picture. And we don't know what this person came into this life of hers to do, to learn, and to teach those she interacts with. Sometimes we learn the depth and nuances of what Love is better by learning what it is NOT. "I try to avoid the feelings but when I think about what has happened, you know I want her to suffer like I have. I want her to fear actually. I know its wrong but I feel that way. But punishment is not my job, and I begin to understand what punishment is. I don't believe in an everlasting hell. At some point unless a creature is just made to be evil then their has to be a release of something good." No 'creature' is made to be evil. Wishing fear for someone, anyone, instead of Love is not being the good person you really are while also denying the divine spark that is in every creature. When you deny this divine spark, which is part of God, you are denying God (aka Pure Unconditional Love/All There Is). This is why it feels wrong. By wishing fear you are denying Love. By doing this you are doing two things: you are returning evil for evil, taking a step down from who you really are, and distancing yourself from God, Love, whatever you want to call it. Two wrongs never make a right. Our thoughts matter, btw. Love, Rob

I saw the thread on Alysia,
My misunderstanding I guess I thought he was speaking of like a spirit guide or something.
I was describing the biblical explanition of fear because it says that fear comes from punishment and that God disciplines because he loves us. But I agree with the fact that love and fear have no business being together.
I agree its not my job to decide what happens to another but sometimes you tend to want to play that role becuase of former hurts. I guess thats what I was trying to say.
And that "god" whomever god is to you. is the one that decides.  
It seems to me that God is the creator of all things, good , evil, love, fear, suffering. Unless God really has an opposser, I don't know. I don't claim to know everything.

Cosmic says: Something seems awefully wrong here.
But, it seems that this notion of fear has such a hold
that they are afraid to let their minds expand onto further extrapolations of the concepts of God for "fear" of being punished for all of eternity. This fear idea seems like an irreversable catch 22 that feeds off of itself and never
relents to a more meaningful solution.

Hi Cosmic,
(different tone on this quest than some of your recent ones. :) )
It's not in the quote above but seems like you answered your own question when you said it's the doctrines and religions that induced the fear. Maybe it happened innocently enough when some 2nd rate teachers (not like Bruce, Mair, alicia, spooky etc) got impatient and instead of taking time to answer, thought they'd throw in abit of fear to quell their students. Or maybe when religions become institutions they like to feel their power so they throw in the fear factor. Maybe it was valid in OT times for peoples' development then. Do you need it now?

I'm very surprised that you said it's irreversible. Where have you been, man? You found a wonderful community not based on fear, with belief, no,  experience  in PUL that leaves absolutely no room for fear. IMO it reverses as one makes those choices that leave fear out and replace it with the PUL.
Have you been working on your focusing exercises, so you can quiet your very cosmically active mind? Studies show  ::) that racing your mind leads to anxiety and fear just because one cannot keep up with all it's poring thru, and such a mind can get your heart and other systems racing too. We have to find you a quiet park bench!
PUL to you!
bets

Betson wrote:

"I'm very surprised that you said it's irreversible. Where have you been, man? You found a wonderful community not based on fear, with belief, no,  experience  in PUL that leaves absolutely no room for fear. IMO it reverses as one makes those choices that leave fear out and replace it with the PUL.  
Have you been working on your focusing exercises, so you can quiet your very cosmically active mind? Studies show  Roll Eyes that racing your mind leads to anxiety and fear just because one cannot keep up with all it's poring thru, and such a mind can get your heart and other systems racing too. We have to find you a quiet park bench!  
PUL to you!
bets"

LOL! You're a true spark of the divine Betson! You have brought a smile to my face today. Quite humurous indeed! I think that you misunderstood me though... or possibly, I communicated it wrong. I do know that fear is not a constant and that it is in fact reversable. I guess that what I was trying to get at is that there are "those" religions that have so much hold and control over their followers that they use this against their followers; by believing that God is a being which controls us by way of fear. This of course isn't outwardly spoken within these religions, however it is subconsciously felt instead. When I said that "This fear idea seems like an irreversable catch 22 that feeds off of itself and never relents to a more meaningful solution"... what I meant is that those people that are under the influence of a fear/control based religion will have one he(ck) of a tough time relinquishing some of those fear based notions of God. I personally believe that "God" is Love, Love Is God. Plain and simple. However, some people have been raised/brainwashed with the idea that God is a mixture of fear and love. As you have already well pointed out fear and love cannot co-exist. As such, by following the beliefs that God is both fear and love, one negates God's existence all together. So, those religions that use fear based control to gain followers are compromising God's true identity.

LOL! (I already have a park bench, and it resides by a calming creek, but thanks for the offer Betson!) ;)

PUL to you as well!
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. And you are right. I HAVE found a wonderful community not based on fear, with belief on experience in PUL that leaves absolutely no room for fear. I just wish we could bring more people into this train of thought. It's truly/sincerely beautiful!

When I read fear, I read it in a couple of ways.  Someone familiar with Aramaic Greek or Hebrew might have a better answer for it as it pertains to the Christian Bible, but I always tend to look at fear as genuine respect and reverence in connotation, not to be read as "terror".  I.E.  If you were before the throne of God, you might fall on your knees from an overwhelming sense of the love, majesty, and awesome power of God (the Source, etc.), and you might describe that moment as having "fear of the lord".  This is merely a suggestion, as I do not claim absolute certainty about such matters.

I do believe in accountability, however, when it comes to individuals that truly choose an evil path in life and have done evil works.  This accountability, theologically, comes in the form of a self-condemnation, hence the theological ideas that you "choose" heaven or hell, and the experiential illuminations here that people choose private hells and the like.  Such an individual, when being confronted for the first time with the reality of what they have done and the full understanding of the wrongful nature of their actions (which they obviously did not lose any sleep over in their physical life) would most certainly feel a sort of shock, or even fear on a great magnitude.  A person immersed in hateful actions in life would most certainly be hit with a fear when they come into comprehension of their actions and the majesty of a creator. What happens beyond that, as far as redemption, forgiveness, and unconditional love, can certainly be possible, but I do believe there would be some fear involved for sure.  

Otherwise, there would be no degree of justice, and justice is a critical component of the divine nature.  Otherwise there is no value to goodness and virtue if every action, evil or good, equates the same.  Bear in mind that Justice, over the big picture, could certainly take the form of eventual redemption over stricly vengeance and punishment for the "errant" soul.  Yet it is still necessary if the goodness and virtue of other souls are to have value.

I love what you wrote Chuckles, and I'm sad to see the bubbleman pictoral gone as well! I definitely think that you should include what you wrote in your book. You have an amazing way of writing and expressing your thoughts/ideas. It was very pertinent.

I love reading your posts!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

another lovely thread Cosmic :-?  we be on a roll here lately I must say. the important thing is we each contribute our thoughts because only self expression and ownership of our thoughts is important..somehow just writing something down on paper or posting makes us grow within our own selves...now, if it turns out we can actually hear another speak a truth that we can own also, there is joy in coming together.

its a good thread when we don't injure each other but just sharing ourselves.

maybe I'm too fluffy...whatever...I've been accused of worse ;)

love to all, what a bunch you are. probably my disc members...where have u been all my life...?

Alysia,

Oh, God. I'll ask my guides of we are part of the same disc, by both Monroe's and Moen's version, and/or Newton's description of immediate and adjacent soul groups.

Love,
Rob

I'd forgotten about the condition that Newwayknight has brought up---that knee-buckling faint in the face of something powerful and wonderful and full of Light. Kind of like you can and should give it up for that being.  (  :D Might be like one of those fainting goats named for that island where Nixon had his getaway? :) )   It's a holy terror, but not in the sense that the phrase has come to mean here on earth/C1.
I don't ever expect to see God but some of his appointed ones may have enough light and grandeur in the afterlife to inspire that terror. It seems familiar somehow. I would rather give it up to them than try to hold on to my Will in the face of their being.
Maybe some remembrance of that type of holy terror is what some churches aspire to have, but they can't pull it off with even the most theatrical lighting, the fanciest pulpit/thrones,  and loudest shouting preachers.
I think the terror being discussed here on this thread is the artifically produced kind, interminably long, not the brief moments before some exalted being who then helps you recover with a wave/vibration of Love. Remember that?  I seem to , thanks to this discussion---thank you!

lol. Betson, you sure have a way with words..ever done any writing?
like the phrase "give it up." yup. thats what a crash is to me.

hey Rob, would love to hear if you get any messages about the group consciousness here on this board. I haven't been able to find another board like it, god (whoever that is) knows I've tried. :)

Hi Betson,

yes, it is that knee-buckling moment.  I'm one of those who would be overwhelmed with emotion in such an experience and couldn't help but react that way!  ;)

anyhow, while on the subject of fear, I thought I would draw from a passage in St. Faustina's diary (she's the nun who devoted to the idea of the Divine Mercy, which touches on the concept of Universal Salvation, by the way).  It also touches on the knee-buckling aspect you mention.

Interestingly, it distinguishes "fears", and I read this passage not long after I left my original post on this thread:

Entry number 732  in Notebook II:

"The great majesty of God which pervaded me today and still pervades me awoke in me a great fear, but a fear filled with respect, and not the fear of a slave, which is quite different from the fear of respect.  This fear animated by respect arose in my heart today because of love, and the knowledge of the greatness of God, and that is a great joy to the soul.  The soul trembles before the smallest offense against God; but that does not trouble or darken its happiness.  There, where love is in charge, all is well."

;)

All of your guys' replies have been most amazing! A lot of ideas to consider here.

I have to agree with you Chuckles: "I haven't been able to find another board like it, god (whoever that is) knows I've tried."

Newwayknight wrote: "The great majesty of God which pervaded me today and still pervades me awoke in me a great fear, but a fear filled with respect, and not the fear of a slave, which is quite different from the fear of respect."

I completely understand where this statement is coming from. It also leads me to believe that there are many ways to interpret this definition of "fear". I think we should all collaborate our collective minds and create a more accurate dictionary that depicts more closely our "true" reality as **spiritual beings having a human experience**. This "Webster's Ultimate Dictionary" could serve quite useful to many inquiring probes of curiosity. This new dictionary could be the stepping stone to higher levels of communication (i.e. mental telepathy). Maybe we could open people's minds if this new dictionary was implemented into schools at an early enough age.

(Wishful whisperings on my quiet park bench.) ;)
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I don't know much about the focus 27.
But, I've always wondered that if in the highest heaven if beings were allowed to run as they wish isn't there a chance that someone would get the big idea or notion to start the trend of the earth lifestyle again. I mean if they have all this power with their minds.
i know I think in earthly terms. But I have often thought well if many of the entities of earth got into heaven would their be a chance they would try to destroy it as they try and destroy the earth?
Isn't discipline something you need?

From what I've gathered Eggshellseas, the dualistic nature that we find ourselves in on this physical planet doesn't carry over into the afterlife. So, there really is no way for it to be "destroyed" in any sense of the word. One must keep in mind as well... the afterlife is very much a frame of mind. If I create a reality over there with my mind for my current personality to reside in, how then is it possible for a negative entity to come storming in to "destroy" it. I would just laugh at him/her/it... What power would it have then?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Hi Cosmic Ambitions,

a dictionary project, with analysis of words such as fear, would be a good project to undertake.  One of the vast problems with translations in any language of religious texts and the like is the lack of various nuances which can completely change the perspective.  This is the case with the understanding of fear, as discussed here, and there are a host of other terms which likewise suffer in translation and/or lack of defining of various nuances of meaning.

Yes, this board is fantastic, and I love the rich tapestry that it draws upon...so much diverse, yet so much in common.  A Coincidence of Opposites, you might say.

Alysia,

I asked if certain members of this board are linked by being members of the same disc, the same immediate or adjacent soul groups, depending on whose model you use.

Yes, several of us are linked. I didn't ask about everyone of course. I think you figured out a while ago that you and are are linked.

What became really clear is that all of us on Linn's board are closely linked, and that that board was set up that way on purpose, do draw us together. All of us on Linn's are quite well along on our soul advancement. A few are either an ascended master or one step below that. I WILL NOT discuss who is what.

It's also clear that this board, AKC, is more of an incubator board, a feeder for Linn's as well as a starting point for others who are new to all this. Each board serves its purpose and is needed. It's important that those from Linn's board stay to keep the energy level on this AKC board up and to assist those who need to interact with more advanced souls. This board isn't just about TMI, OBE's, and afterlife exploration. Those things are on the surface and are very important, but the interaction is important as well. We all need assistance and we all need to increase our awareness of who and what we are and why we are here. Hope this helps.

Love,
Bob

Wonderful post Rob_Roy!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I whole heartedly agree Rob. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

(((Rob))))

same thing I got more or less Rob. Linn started here on AKC and was here from the first day for I think 8 years until she was assisted to set up her own forum. so the group over there was born from this one and we will always be connected. and what we talk about on the surface is only a part of the larger picture..like you said and I try to say now and then...the act of posting something here, in a way, is like talking to god. thats just a metaphor as I don't know what god is. unless the word came from the word good.  then we can say its all good.  what I meant was self expression is good as it clarifys the journey to be listened to and responded to on a forum or elsewhere.

I know all over the world these forums are in existence or springing up and setting their intentions for community. this makes me feel very good to consider people reaching out nonjudgmentally to others.


ok, I think DP is back (the preacher) talk soon, hugs, alysia