Not knowing your dead.Jon c fox says some people dont know they are dead,so they just keep on doing the things they do in every day life.for example,they will go to work in the morning,and come home after work.They could be doing this for years.What are your thoughts on this.George

George,

I get retrievals in my apartment almost every night. I do them OBE in my sleep. A lot of people do this; I just happen to be aware of it. I can sense them, often 'see' them, and I get info from my guides and theirs. I ask guides a long series of questions about each one. I keep a log.

Many don't know their 'dead.' I am usually the first to tell them. Almost always, they accept it. Some are very sad about it, most are ok about it. I had one that took off as soon as I told him, but his guide says he'll be back. I *physically* saw him leave because his energy increased to the point where I could physically see him. Knowledge of his passing really spooked him. The ones who suffered a long illness usually know their 'dead.'

Most have no idea why they are in my apartment. They get there either because of an energetic resonance with me or their guides brought them, or both. Some do know they've passd, though, and I have no idea how those few know, considering there's been only one that I've actually know in C1, and I knew that guy back in the 1980's, and I had no idea about these things back then. I do occasionally get verification from the info I get and a google search or Iraq casualty list.

Their sense of time is definately different, and their level of lucidity varies, although all of them understand what I tell them, and surprisingly, they ALL always believe me, although some of them aren't too bright/lucid. One lady, a devout Catholic bound for a BST (according to her guide), thought I was a priest because I explained things within the limits of the Catholic faith. My apartment does not give that impression, and I was half-naked when I was talking to her. I have to handle them on THEIR level, from their perspective. Their guides have always been consistant about not explaining things to them that lay outside what they are capable of understanding, although I can plant seeds. I did, however, throw something in that I hope will help this Catholic lady out of her BST: Love and fear cannot coexist in the same place at the same time. Fear and Love are in contradiction. Love is real; fear is not. Please, no matter what, remember that.

Some of the retrievals I get have been 'dead' for a while, sometimes years. I have no idea what they were doing during that time. It could very well be just as you described, going to work and so on. Some people who've passed, though, know quite well that they're 'dead', they just don't want to move on, for a variety of reasons. I don't get those people, although I've run into them, including a dark entity inhabiting my last apartment (more on that another time, after I've done Releasement for him).

I've gone on a bit but I hope this helps.

Love,
Rob

It's true George,

Many souls won't immediately know that they've passed over and will continue to do what is familiar to them from physical life,  without knowing they're in the non-physical afterlife.

I will probably be one of them.

No worry... Some kind soul will be there to gently remind me that I've passed.

Will you do me a favor George?

You are a very kind soul. Will you remind me that I've passed over when my time comes?

I'll do the same for you. I vow to remember.  (I'll never forget you)

Love, Tim F.

Rob_Roy that is a lot of helpful work that you do.

.. but surely they know that they don't need to go to the bathroom? sorry for my base question but they might still 'think' they eating and drinking etc .. but with the loo you know when you gotta go you gotta go and only a full bladder of liquid does that.

Augoeideian,

God, you crack me up! I gotta run with this a bit. Don't be offended!

Well, I don't know about whether or not they need to pee. Like I said, some are more lucid than others. I could ask, though, if they need to 'pee'! Now you got me wondering if some of them think they are peeing on my floor!

I say this because most of them just stand there, for hours, not moving unless I go into another room, then they might peek around the corner to see what I'm doing. Most are respectful and/or shy. They even jump out of my way when I walk towards them, like I would knock them down or something. That's another time when I physically see them, because their energy jumps up and I see them move without sensing, like "Ooops, here he comes, better move!" kinda thing. I have learned that when an entity jumps in front of you, forcing you to walk through its energy (which they crank up), it means it is either trying to get your attention and/or intimidate you.  The nice (normal) ones move.

Some of them, a few, however, are not so shy in other ways and will make loud noises or move things to make sure I know they're there. Maybe they need to pee!

The smaller children tend to stand close, within reach, *sob*. I don't know if they need to pee, either, but if they are typical kids, that would be ten times a day.

I had a teenager, a female, the other night who had, no kidding, an *attitude* (she was 14-15 when she passed).  Maybe she needed to pee. She didn't know she was dead, either. Her attitude changed very quickly. Yes, I was gentle, despite the temptation to put this stuck-up young blonde in her place. The *news* did that by itself.

That DE I mentioned? That JERK did some very poltergiest-like things - wait until I do the write-up on him! I don't think he needs to pee, though. That (expletive deleted) knows full well that he's dead. He just didn't want me in 'his' space. Maybe I should pee on him! I know, we Yanks are soooo crass! That would be poor manners, even for me.

Now, suppose they do have to 'pee.' How might I handle that?

"Hey, dead guy, gotta pee? There's the loo. Don't forget to flush! And don't pee on my seat, either. I HATE that."

"I'm sorry, ma'am, that's a man's bathroon. You'll have to go outside. Ok ok, go ahead. Yes, I promise not to look (yeah, right!)"  

Should I put a copy of The Invisible Man for them to read while they're in there? : - ).

Hey, I think I just won the Crass Contest!

Seriously, I'll start exploring their levels of lucidity more in depth and see what the answer is to your very good question.

Love,
Rob

Gemini-at-large

Can you drink alcohol on the other side, or should I make the most of it while I'm here?

Rob_Roy you have just cracked me up even more!! oh its so great we can have a good laugh  :)
.. the invisible man .. thats so good!!

wiping the tears from my eyes here lol

(All i get is golom type things .. im not going to ask them if they need a pee!! .. maybe i should lol that'll make them think.. what the heck!! they'll have to do it outside though cos they not human hey maybe i should put a litter box out for them!!)

Isn't it great how our basic human needs make us so human ... while we are still physical lol. Hey but jokes aside you are dealing with some heavy stuff there Rob_Roy. Asking if they need the bathroom might confuse them even more or you never know it might be the 'acid' test and make them come to their senses .. im grasping at straws here though.  Picture this major scientific experiment .. all centered around the bathroom!

First of all are you okay?  im thinking that these vistors must put a big strain on you. Do you have permanent stayers or do they come and go?  Except that de character whose bothering you ..

Maybe it's your premises Rob_Roy?  haunted ... or maybe re-built on a old hostipal .. maybe your premises are positioned on a ley-line (high current vibration) ?

They must be attracted to you for a reason though .. and it must be your kindess in helping them and that is praiseworthy .. i cant understand how someone doesn't realise they spirits now though .. it really befuzzles me .. there must be an attachment .. or maybe spirits are always around us and it is only people like you who can see them? i do actually see my granny every now and then .. she pops up in the corner knitting for about a minute then disappears.  

Its just from what i've learnt when we pass over there is a 'backward' glance period and a 'forward' glance period and then a settling in period.  These processes happen and it seems that these spirits are not where they should be .. it is sad.

A situation this is isnt it .. are you happy helping them Rob_Roy? or would you prefer to be free of them?

Gemini is nice.  An Air sign and a intellectual sign .. intellectually in the ethers!
The planet Neptune is normally the indicator of psychic sensitivity and what sign it is in and what house it is in.  For instances, if your Scorpio was in Neptune in the 9th house you would have psychic ability.  Oh sorry getting off the subject .. where were we .. oh yes .. i need the loo (aaah thats crass now!)

Take care Rob_Roy and sorry all the questions!


um .. evolver no and no i reckon is the best answer lol .. nothing wrong with a good party though!






 

Sorry for my ignorance but how do you communicate and 'see' these people who don't know they are dead?

Augo and Rob,

ROFLMAO  You've both made my day. (I'll bet Irene's laughing her butt off too)  Hey Rob, do any of them have their legs crossed? LOL

Much Love,
Mairlyn ;-)

Regarding spirits wondering about why they don't have to pee, just consider how dreams can be at times. All kinds of inconsistencies are experienced without question that a person would definitely question while awake. Perhaps the same kind of forgetfullness happens for spirits who don't realize that they are dead.

Hi George. I agree with Tim, you are a polite human being who is honest. quite a rare thing to see and I think you got it right, your ideas. I once retrieved a man's girlfriend. I found her doing something she loved to do. she was shopping on a street, going in one shop and going into another. you have to admit, some of us women were born to shop and I say don't pick on us if we do that. ;) she was in a sort of inbetween state and retrieval didn't seem to be necessary right then, so I just observed her and reported back to the boyfriend. he was not happy about it. he thought she would be mourning their parting but she wasn't. maybe she would later. one bit of evidential I picked up was that she was into body fitness and had a superb muscle structure as well, and this was confirmed by the boyfriend, so I figured I was probably right about the other thing I saw.

Rob, you are so funny. if I needed someone to retrieve me I'd be on your doorstep in a flash too.
Auggie:  I think I heard eating and getting rid of waste product are optional habits on the other side. on a practical side of it, when we have to pee, the uterus sends a signal to the brain that its uncomfortable in that area. since we don't have brain signals after we're dead, I'd think this habit would be easy to just slip from the recesses of memory and in general we would not be reminded of it; unless Rob fails to retrieve and they can't hold back anymore :-/

I have an idea brewing that once dead, (for some) we enter an area of consciousness where objectivity is lost, at least until full realization of our state of being is ascertained, then I think more objectivity comes back. what I mean is, most can ascertain something is different and they would be wanting to explore their surrounding objectivily I'd assume that would mean looking up friends and relatives and then from there events would unfold.

we all used to gravitate to a religious construct once upon a time. now we just go to Rob's living room...lol....love you Rob. u are a natural portal.

hugs, alysia

hey I meant bladder, not uterus. scuse me. ;D  where the heck is the edit button when u need it?

I still don't understand how some people can die, and not know it.

From my understanding, after you die, your subconscious mind takes over into a lucid dream. Hence, that's why ghosts look lucid/transeparent.

Now, wouldn't it dawn on these people that they aren't waking up physically again? Or do they just wonder off wondering around, than realize later that they're dead?

I assume some ghosts don't realize they're dead, but it's safe to assume most find out fast that they are.

RyanParis wrote on Jul 15^th, 2006 at 3:25am:

I still don't understand how some people can die, and not know it. From my understanding, after you die, your subconscious mind takes over into a lucid dream. Hence, that's why ghosts look lucid/transeparent. Now, wouldn't it dawn on these people that they aren't waking up physically again? Or do they just wonder off wondering around, than realize later that they're dead? I assume some ghosts don't realize they're dead, but it's safe to assume most find out fast that they are.

I always thought ghosts look the way they do becuase things are at a faster rate of speed where they are or slower being its a ghost that decided to stick around. Its heaven thats at a faster rate I think.

i don't think these spirits are dead.

I read in a book (cant recall which one off hand i think it was a Diane Cooper book) but theres a very interesting piece in it-

A women, who lived in Ireland, kept having a dream about a house.  In her dream she would be outside the front door of this house, she would open the door and go in.  She saw every detail in her dream .. the colour of the walls, the furniture etc.  She repetively had this dream for a few years.  Then her husband was transfered to England in his work.  They were looking for a house when they got there .. they went to a house and it was the very house that the women had dreamt about, every detail the same.  The asking price was ridiciously low and when they asked why .. (it took a time to get it out of the owners) .. the owners said the house was haunted.

So here it seems the sleeping woman's body was projecting to this house (because she obviously knew she would be living in it eventually) and this was seen by the owner as a ghost although she was not dead.

Quite a story.  I'm not sure if this helps Rob_Roy cos you do still have them .. but maybe they are in fact not dead?

I remember reading this story above. I had dream about a house I later moved into also..it even had the same package of toothbrushes in the drawer I opened that I would purchase. this was a year before I moved there.

these women Rob talks of could be assigned to him..they could be protectors of him, they could be former family members, former spouses from other times, they could be protecting him from just any body coming into his room and bothering him. they could be former mothers of him from other lives, like disc members change roles all the time.

hugs, alysia

Eggshellseas and Augoeideian ,

“I always thought ghosts look the way they do becuase things are at a faster rate of speed where they are or slower being its a ghost that decided to stick around. Its heaven thats at a faster rate I think.”

In my observation, how nonphysical people appear depends on your abilities to perceive and how they choose to present themselves. They may or may not be aware that they can present themselves differently. I have and continue to encounter these types:

1) Those who no longer have a physical body and haven’t changed their focus from physical existence. These are stuck people or those I am assisting with moving on. These are your garden variety ‘ghosts.’ I rarely physically see them, except at times when their energy cranks up for a particular reason. There have been a couple of exceptions when they appeared as your stereotypical ‘ghost’ to get my attention. They were not rude about how they did this. I almost always mostly just sense them as a specific presence. Sometimes I sense them in detail. Usually it’s a specific presence that I sense (clairsentience) combined with limited, but developing, clairvoyant perception. Occasionally I’ll her them say something (clairaudience).

2) My main guide and other people’s guides. Mine has shown herself in a variety of ways, from intelligently moving shadow-ether-like whatever to lots of sparkling little lights. Mine has also shown herself as a physical person (in color, too) but not a full figure, just enough for just long enough to get my attention to remind me of her presence for a particular reason. Other people’s guides have, rarely, gotten my attention because they know they can, and want who I’m with to know they are there. Usually, though, guides are difficult for me to pick up. They seem to prefer to keep a very low profile.

3) Rarely, I get someone who has been through Focus 27 and all that. They are much like guides, I think, in that they manifest themselves for a particular reason.

4) A living person who is deliberately OBEing. I have trouble picking up on these people too.

5) The higher self of a living person not deliberately OBEing. This gets interesting. I get these visitations because of an existing or pending relationship with someone.

6) Dark entities and other hostiles. I’ve encountered four. There’s no mistaking what they are. When they move in front of you to force you to walk through them and when their energy gives you the absolute creeps, when the hair on the back of your neck and head stands up, that’s a DE or hostile, at least for me because the other types don’t affect me.

I rely on my communication with guidance for some of the specific information I get and with help in distinguishing who is who.

So, as you can see, how a nonphysical appears and why they are appearing to someone can vary.

Love,
Rob

Rob_Roy wrote on Jul 16^th, 2006 at 3:49pm:

Eggshellseas and Augoeideian , “I always thought ghosts look the way they do becuase things are at a faster rate of speed where they are or slower being its a ghost that decided to stick around. Its heaven thats at a faster rate I think.” In my observation, how nonphysical people appear depends on your abilities to perceive and how they choose to present themselves. They may or may not be aware that they can present themselves differently. I have and continue to encounter these types: 1) Those who no longer have a physical body and haven’t changed their focus from physical existence. These are stuck people or those I am assisting with moving on. These are your garden variety ‘ghosts.’ I rarely physically see them, except at times when their energy cranks up for a particular reason. There have been a couple of exceptions when they appeared as your stereotypical ‘ghost’ to get my attention. They were not rude about how they did this. I almost always mostly just sense them as a specific presence. Sometimes I sense them in detail. Usually it’s a specific presence that I sense (clairsentience) combined with limited, but developing, clairvoyant perception. Occasionally I’ll her them say something (clairaudience). 2) My main guide and other people’s guides. Mine has shown herself in a variety of ways, from intelligently moving shadow-ether-like whatever to lots of sparkling little lights. Mine has also shown herself as a physical person (in color, too) but not a full figure, just enough for just long enough to get my attention to remind me of her presence for a particular reason. Other people’s guides have, rarely, gotten my attention because they know they can, and want who I’m with to know they are there. Usually, though, guides are difficult for me to pick up. They seem to prefer to keep a very low profile. 3) Rarely, I get someone who has been through Focus 27 and all that. They are much like guides, I think, in that they manifest themselves for a particular reason. 4) A living person who is deliberately OBEing. I have trouble picking up on these people too. 5) The higher self of a living person not deliberately OBEing. This gets interesting. I get these visitations because of an existing or pending relationship with someone. 6) Dark entities and other hostiles. I’ve encountered four. There’s no mistaking what they are. When they move in front of you to force you to walk through them and when their energy gives you the absolute creeps, when the hair on the back of your neck and head stands up, that’s a DE or hostile, at least for me because the other types don’t affect me. I rely on my communication with guidance for some of the specific information I get and with help in distinguishing who is who. So, as you can see, how a nonphysical appears and why they are appearing to someone can vary. Love, Rob

tell me more about This OBE is this out of body experience? When someone (a living person) If you have trouble picking up on them is that because you don't see them? Or do you ever simply feel that they are around? Because I sense often that living people are around me that I can't see.

Yes,  Rob_Roy your Awareness is powerful and it is this Awareness that is a Knowing. A very undefined sense as yet to be trusted upon by most people in general (not saying anyone here the world at large)

Alysia yes a piece that may fit.

What makes me think they are not dead though, is the glaring thing : The Child.

Now ... newwayknight .. could help here.  He has expressed his Love for his passion and his passion so happens to be within the Catholic church.  The one thing the Catholic religion got right and that was the burial ritual of a child.  This ceremony is different from the ceremony accorded to adults.
Children by pass a certain part that they do not need to send them off and the Catholic faith has kept this ritual correct.

I hope that newwayknight may confirm this as i have learnt this from another source outside of the Catholic faith.

A child soul/spirit would not be hanging around the earth plane.  This is my opinion.

Also, maybe Marilyn could add from her experience in Spirits and her knowledge on 'retrivals'.  
lol .. crossing legs Marilyn!

My love to everyone  :)

one more thing the Catholics got right is confessionals. it frees the soul to look in the direction to forgive debts others have against them. a very powerful prayer is forgive them, for they know not what they do.

all religion is not completely corrupted..as I thought.  love, alysia