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Message started by duboisuk on Jun 12th, 2006 at 6:32pm

Title: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by duboisuk on Jun 12th, 2006 at 6:32pm
I was wondering today if the search for an afterlife can become too much of a consideration. Can it get to the point where we stop living life altogether in the search, and lose some of the precious moments of living.

One of the things I like about the motion of an afterlife in a sense is that this would be a mute point. What I dont manage to do in this life I can do in the next, or in the "Intralife". How do people feel about this?

Also how do you balance the mundanity of every day life with the excitement that seems to come across concerning the afterlife? When the bills are on the table, and there are so many concerns why dont we just head for the nicer place to be?

Dave

Title: Re: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by Vicky on Jun 12th, 2006 at 11:52pm
I do find it hard to keep the balance, especially with having a family.  They tend to pull me away, keep me too busy.  They drive me nuts sometimes, always needing me for something.  But then again, I know I wouldn't trade it for anything!  I think working on the balance keeps you sane.   :)

Title: Re: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by laffingrain on Jun 13th, 2006 at 12:50am
Hi Dave and Vicky. yes I agree it seems life is all about getting in balance, but obsessions are interesting and I've had a few of those. I think practicing being in the now moment aids a balanced perspective and makes you enjoy whats happening right now. but I wasn't always this way..it took a long time to appreciate the now moment which can look mundane until you try and look deeper. I've been accused of not being grounded and talking about the afterlife or before life too much, but I found out these others who would say that were in my life because I did think about death, or not being here, I was trying to get to the positive balance, and used their negative input to do it. so its all good, but it only has the meaning you place on it. others opinions belong to them.

hugs, alysia

Title: Re: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by augoeideian on Jun 13th, 2006 at 6:15am
Hi all .. nice questioning Dave

When one discovers there is a spiritual world out there the normal day life can seem rather mundane.  Dont we all wish we could live in a cave without the cares and stresses of everyday living wearing us down (the cave will have to have internet connection of course .. there's a paradox!) But we have to realise that the everyday living is part of the spiritual world; the living world is a manifestation of the spiritual and here lies part of the magic - and as you said Dave - the precious moments of living cannot be overlooked.

The obsession of the spiritual quest often takes us away from the very quest itself which is physical life.  When we firmly grasp the knowing that there is a divine plan in our creation, the realisation that we are part of the creation process and we manage and manifest our individual creation, the understanding of reincarnation, the understanding of what makes up our physical bodies (the etheric and astral bodies etc), the understanding that earth is a physical manifestation but not the only one, the understanding that foremost we are spiritual beings before physical beings and we are here on earth, being here is not a small feat - it is an honour. Once we are armed with this knowledge we look at the world with different eyes, it also changes our perspective and we find a stillness that calms us from the rush going on around us - a rush that has still not aspired to spiritual attainment.

With this spiritual knowledge; the earth seems to portray itself as a stage; i wouldnt say a puppet stage because that misses the subtle nuances of life but more a on-going play in which the  chapters are still in creation.  Not only are we the actors but we are the directors of our play.  Being the director we sit in the big seat off stage ready to be called upon by us, in the actor part, to help the unfoldment of the play.

This is the balance; recognising that every moment in life is charged with higher direction from ourselves.  It is up to us to make this connection with our director part, our oversoul, keep the connection and see it working in everyday situations in our lives.  This leads to the appreciation of life and with this constant awareness those precious moments become magically.

Alysia sums it up very well; it has the meaning you place on it. We can miss the small and big happenings in our life or we can think to ourselves - nothing happens without a reason.  The spiritual is fond of symbols and every interaction we make; whether it is paying a bill or making lunch for the children may be seen as symbolic.

Alysia has also made an extremely valid observation in telling us of the accusations that she has confronted in her path, and Dave you summarised it as well - We know the spiritual world is exciting and magically, we feel and experience this magic by bringing the spiritual into the physical, and even with the understanding of this - why are we confronted with things that we would rather not have in our lives and indeed most times life might seem to be a sort of punishment.

Again Alysia has spoken wisely; she used the negative to find the positive.  This is a truth of life that makes us as spiritual beings on a quest - find the quest.  Often it is the hurt or unhappiness in our lives that has made us, even forced us, to seek death.  And upon entering the realms of death we realise that it is not death that we have found but birth.  We could only find this birth through the sting of negativity.  Upon this realisation that the negative energy, that seems to follow us, is the gateway into birth - we embrace the negativity and take it as a challenge that gives us strength to rise further into enlightment.  This is called initiation - that is likened to a fire burning.    

Back to balance; mental discipline is important and the appreciation that the everyday things in life is the spiritual; this brings a love of life that is meant to be lived in every detail.

i think i have rambled on long enough and as Alysia said it might not be everyone's opinion or path.
Vicky i loved what you said - the balance keeps us sane!

Just another point you raised Dave, if we don't get it right we just come back - it's not that easy to come back and the attainment we reach here now has a far reaching ripple effect in all realms and that is why life is so precious.  But i suspect you know this Dave as your posting is an attainment.

:)





Title: Re: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by duboisuk on Jun 13th, 2006 at 11:21am
Thank you all for your wonderful replies. I find this balance to be incredibly tricky at the moment, mainly I suspect to do with changes that are going on in my life currently. I went through a big shift about three months ago, where I realised I had been gathering a great deal of material things around me. Mainly books.

A lot of my thinking about the afterlife has been quite kind of mundane I guess. At the same time it has been really quite refreshing as well. For a long time I tried to pack in too many things to do in one life. I started to resent the fact that I would not be able to achieve everything that I wanted to.

I have so many books I want to read. So much music I want to hear. Things I want to write and share with people. Places to visit. I am sure that you all know the score with this one. I was getting tense and irritated.

Think what a relief it was that there was even the potential of doing some of this stuff later on in the Intralife. Wohooo. It allowed me to slow down a little bit more and relax.

I guess as I say it really is a mundane view of things when I think "Hey I can read books and learn new things" when I am over there. I can get into the cinema without paying:) Though I did like comments by Elizabeth Kubler Ross that she was going horse riding when she passed over.

All sounds good to me

Dave

Title: Re: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by augoeideian on Jun 14th, 2006 at 4:43am
i can understand how you feel - each life is relatively short and there is so much to do and see in this awesome planet of ours.  Not to mention all the books to read and movies too watch!

it is good to surrender 'panic' and relax.  Sometimes i think we only need one good book on spiritualism to nourish us - just one enlightened book will be fine.  And begin to rely on ourselves; our thoughts and our ideas will sustain us in understanding and becoming closer to the One.

Indeed, we will have 'time' to explore in the spiritual realms - exciting!

i enjoy concentrating on the image of a Disc when i feel overwhelmed with things to do.  The image of the Disc - pure and silent in its Ru shape is very calming.  And somehow the tasks get done easily with no panic.  Now ... travelling the world ... thats what we should be doing  :)


Title: Re: Can the search become too obsessive
Post by Rondele on Jun 14th, 2006 at 11:08am
Yes, by all means the search can become too obsessive.

Think of it this way- a person who is happy with his or her life, who finds life to be fulfilling, stimulating and rewarding, will in all likelihood not have a pre-occupation with the afterlife.  

If we spend most of our waking hours thinking/writing about the afterlife, we might as well have stayed there in the first place!  Why choose to be born?

No matter how obsessive our search is, it won't change the reality of the afterlife one iota.  It is what it is.  Far healthier (and probably much more beneficial) to put our computers on ice and get out there in the world and help those less fortunate than ourselves.

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