its the 666 day is anyone worried about this  love to hear your comments love deanna

Why worry..................be happy!

I believe that 666 refers to Nero, who died a long time ago. There are a lot of Christians who don't believe in that 666, armegedon, rapture business. An invention of people like Hal Lindsey and Lahaye, propogated through fiction novels.

I recently read Revelations, and it seemed current to the time. Because of Nero etc Christians went through some hard times back then.

Here's one interpretation of the time period for which revelations applies.

http://www.reformed.org/eschaton/beast.html

Recoverer,

I commend you for citing a scholarly article that does not derive from the New Age ghetto.   Most people do not realize that the original identity of "666" is well known in scholarly circles.   Any attempt to interpret ancient imagery must begin by asking what this imagery meant to the author's contemporaries.  Early apocalyptic writings like the Book of Revelation use coded imagery to protect their communities from heightened persecution.  For example, if an apocalyptic seer wished to criticize Roman oppression, he would use "Babylon" as a code word for Rome.  Babylon was of course the center of an earlier empire.  

In both Greek and Hebrew the letters of the alphabet each also stand for numbers.  According to Revelation 13:18, "666" is "the number of a man."  The numerical equivalent of "Emperor Nero" in Hebrew adds up to 666.  By the time of Revelation, Nero had fled in exile to Asia Minor (now Turkey) and was now dead, probably by suicide.  But many were uncertain of his fate and were terrified by 3 Nero impersonators who burst on the scene.  It was commonly believed that Nero would return, perhaps from the dead, to regain power and finish the job he started in persecuting Christians.  This fear is expressed by image in 13:3 of "the Beast" recovering from a  mortal wound.  For this and other reasons, the meaning of "666" is clear.

What then does this prophecy mean?  At the very least, it predicts new Neros arising to torture and execute Christians.   This prophecy was repeatedly fulfilled until the time of Emperor Constantine.   But does it have a secondary application for us today?  I find the case for a modern fulfilment unconvincing.

Don

We are talking about the date today, which is a date on the Gregorian Calendar, adopted 14 September 1742. The Book of Revelation was written under the prior Julian Calendar, introduced by Julius Ceasar in 46 B.C. (in force the following year). The dates of 6/6/6 on each don't coincide.

Rob

Source: Wikipedia (yes, it has errors, but I think you get the idea).

Thank you Don:

Are you suggesting that the dispensationallist viewpoint comes from the new age ghetto?  :)

Hopefully the remake of the Omen doesn't do anything to fuel it.

Hi i always thought on the 6/6/06 the devil would rise from the abyss and make war on god,and god would defeat the devil and throw him into the abyss with his evil followers for all eternity.Love and god bless juditha

So did i juditha love deanna

I had a very good day at work.
No problems at all!
I am also not superstitious
love to all!

Recoverer,

No, but both Dispensationalist Christians and New Agers engage in sensationalistic speculation about an expected Anti-Christ without due regard for the meaning of apocalyptic symbols in the first century.  

Speaking of Dispensationalism, here is an intereeting tidbit.  Most of them believe Christians will be resurrected to reign with Christ on our Earth (citing Revelation 20:1-3) What they overlook is John's vision of a New Heaven and a New Earth with no sea (21:1).  The New Earth is not a remodelled version of our Earth; the old Earth "has disappeared."  The New Earth is best understood as an earthlike spiritual realm in another dimension, perhaps like Focus 27.  However the millenial reign is understood, it too seems to occur in another dimension.  This is just another nail in the coffin of the indefensible doctrine that we need this body to be restored so we can reign on our planet.

Don

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 1:00am:

Speaking of Dispensationalism, here is an intereeting tidbit.  Most of them believe Christians will be resurrected to reign with Christ on our Earth (citing Revelation 20:1-3).  What they overlook is John's vision of a New Heaven and a New Earth with no sea (21:1).  The New Earth is not a remodelled version of our Earth; the old Earth "has disappeared."  The New Earth is best understood as an earthlike spiritual realm in another dimension, perhaps like Focus 27.  However the millenial reign is understood, it too seems to occur in another dimension.  This is just another nail in the coffin of the indefensible doctrine that we need this body to be restored so we can reign on our planet. Don

I have heard some speculation that when the poles shift earth's frequency of vibration changes to that of a higher dimension.  I don't know if this is plausible as a cause or not since the poles have shifted many times in earth's history.  

Don mentions the body needing to be restored and this leads me to wonder about the frequency changes of the body in regards to this and how we already exist in this "new body" or in other words this new body currently exists as something that is not separated from us.

Some years ago there were some studies done by Dr. Valorie Hunt and others at UCLA where scientists mathematically analyzed wave patterns and frequency of the colors of the human energy field as reported by well-known healers and aura readers.  

They were able to validate certain definite colors have certain definite frequencies.  While the frequencies may in actuality be higher than what the electronic equipment was capable of, the measurements listed in the study showed the nature of the human energy field to be a fluid like bioplasma or what some scientists say is a state between pure energy and matter or a "fifth state of matter" called bioplasma.

I'd be interested in hearing opinions, scenarios and other speculation about these predicted occurrences and how they might take place.

Kathy

I believe that the wonders that await us are far greater than what can be obtained by a refurbished physical earth.



wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 1:00am:

Recoverer, No, but both Dispensationalist Christians and New Agers engage in sensationalistic speculation about an expected Anti-Christ without due regard for the meaning of apocalyptic symbols in the first century.   Speaking of Dispensationalism, here is an intereeting tidbit.  Most of them believe Christians will be resurrected to reign with Christ on our Earth (citing Revelation 20:1-3).  What they overlook is John's vision of a New Heaven and a New Earth with no sea (21:1).  The New Earth is not a remodelled version of our Earth; the old Earth "has disappeared."  The New Earth is best understood as an earthlike spiritual realm in another dimension, perhaps like Focus 27.  However the millenial reign is understood, it too seems to occur in another dimension.  This is just another nail in the coffin of the indefensible doctrine that we need this body to be restored so we can reign on our planet. Don

Deanna:

I believe it is important to read revelations really closely before drawing a conclusion as to what 666 signifies.  I also believe it is best to "not" rely on a Biblical version that hasn't been around for very long.  It's also good to see what somebody who knows about the history from the time period has to say. Other wise it might be hard to understand what the symbolism is about. That's why I posted the article I posted.





wrote on Jun 6^th, 2006 at 6:39pm:

So did i juditha love deanna

Could a devil really make war on God? That would be like a rain drop trying to make war with an ocean. Talk about a deluded rain drop.


wrote on Jun 6^th, 2006 at 6:34pm:

Hi i always thought on the 6/6/06 the devil would rise from the abyss and make war on god,and god would defeat the devil and throw him into the abyss with his evil followers for all eternity.Love and god bless juditha

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 12:16pm:

Could a devil really make war on God? That would be like a rain drop trying to make war with an ocean. Talk about a deluded rain drop.

I don't have all the fancy book learnin' like everyone else, but isn't the devil, or Satan as he likes to be called, a fallen angel? I might be mistaken on that. Anyways fallen angel or not I've always considered them to be the opposite ends of the light/dark spectrum, where god represents 'good' the devil represents 'evil'

Senote:

Why would an angel created by God fall? Some say because of free will. But having a free will doesn't mean you have to be a complete idiot and turn your back on God after having had a chance to know him.

I believe that if somebody knew what it was like to be in a heavenly realm and the presence of God, they would find it impossible to fall.

IF an angel could fall, then what would stop anybody else who went to heaven from doing the same.

According to what I've found, the fallen angel concept began with Lucifer in Isaiah. THE ORIGINAL HEBREW TEXT OF ISAIAH, DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A FALLEN ANGEL. It wasn't until later texts that such language was incorporated. Isaiah is about a fallen Babylonian king, not a fallen angel.

Don (Berserk), who knows the Bible and its history much better than me, stated the same thing on another post.

If you're interested, here are some internet articles that speak about the matter.

http://www.godward.org/Hebrew%20Roots/Feature%20Articles/who_is%20lucifer.htm

http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sojouner/devil/devilintro.html

Here's part of the relevent text, plus a little commentary from the site's Author.

Taunt of the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:4b-21)
Is 14:4b “Look how the oppressor has met his end!
Hostility has ceased!
14:5The Lord has broken the club of the wicked,
the scepter of rulers.
14:6It furiously struck down nations
with unceasing blows.
It angrily ruled over nations,
oppressing them without restraint.
14:7The whole earth rests and is quiet;
they break into song.
14:8The evergreens also rejoice over your demise,
as do the cedars of Lebanon, singing,
‘Since you fell asleep,
no woodsman comes up to chop us down!’
14:9Sheol below is stirred up about you,
ready to meet you when you arrive.
It rouses the spirits of the dead for you,
all the former leaders of the earth;
it makes all the former kings of the nations
rise from their thrones.
14:10All of them respond to you, saying:
‘You’ve also become weak like us!
You’ve become just like us!
14:11Your splendor has been brought down to Sheol,
as well as the sound of your stringed instruments.
You lie on a bed of maggots,
with a blanket of worms over you.
14:12Look how you have fallen from the sky,
O shining one, son of the dawn!
You’ve been cut down to the ground,
O conqueror of the nations!
14:13You said to yourself,
“I will climb up to the sky.
Above the stars of El
I will set up my throne.
I will rule on the mountain of assembly
on the remote slopes of Zaphon.
14:14I will climb up to the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High!”
14:15But you were brought down to Sheol,
to the remote slopes of the pit.
14:16Those who see you stare at you,
they look at you carefully, thinking:
“Is this the man who shook the earth,
the one who made kingdoms tremble?
14:17Is this the one who made the world like a desert,
who ruined its cities,
and refused to free his prisoners so they could return home?”’
14:18As for all the kings of the nations,
all of them lie down in splendor,
each in his own tomb.
14:19But you have been thrown out of your grave
like a shoot that is thrown away.
You lie among the slain,
among those who have been slashed by the sword,
among those headed for the stones of the pit,
as if you were a mangled corpse.
14:20You will not be buried with them,
because you destroyed your land
and killed your people.
The offspring of the wicked will never be mentioned again.
14:21Prepare to execute his sons for what their ancestors have done.
They must not rise up and take possession of the earth,
or fill the surface of the world with cities.”

This passage is an imaginative poem.  Its content is a taunt.   Just as the trees didn't literally "get down and party" when the king of Babylon died (14:8), we shouldn't read the description of Sheol as a theological treatise on the afterlife.

The passage is clearly about the literal Babylon (14:4a, 22) and her human king (14:16).  As the epitome of evil, the language used to describe the arrogance of the king of Babylon here is used by Paul to describe an eschatological "man of lawlessness" in 2 Th 2:4 (cf. Isa 14:13-14).  But Paul is not interpeting this passage in Isaiah as referring to him, but rather using the language as a sort of cliche; at most, he is treating the king of Babylon as a type of the man of lawlessness.

Historically, it has been a common practice to spiritualize this entire passage to be about Satan rather than the human king of Babylon.  This misinterpretation is behind much popular mythology about Satan.  The reference in 14:11 to his string instruments (which in context would not refer to the king's personal instruments, but the instruments of the musicians at his court -- compare with David playing the harp at Saul's court) is behind the myth of Satan originally being the chief musician of heaven until he attempted to rebel and take over.  Whatever the actual details of Satan's fall from heaven, this passage is not about that.

It comes from this site.

http://www.jeff-jackson.com/new/religion/eschatology/Isaiah13-14.html  


wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 2:36pm:

I don't have all the fancy book learnin' like everyone else, but isn't the devil, or Satan as he likes to be called, a fallen angel? I might be mistaken on that. Anyways fallen angel or not I've always considered them to be the opposite ends of the light/dark spectrum, where god represents 'good' the devil represents 'evil'

Hi recoverer thanks  for writing to me and explaining ,i have read the revelations ,thats why i thought it was satans number i dont like the number it frightens me love deanna

Hi Recoverer There are a lot of people out there that associate 666 as the devils number and the devil started off as a good angel but he tryed to turn angels against god,and god got to know this ,so he threw satan down to earth with his fallen angels and god gave him a thousand years to do what he does and when the thousand years is up,satan will try to rise against god with his armies of evil followers and god will throw him into the abyss with all his followers and satan will be locked up for all eternity.

And then there will be a new earth and all the evil will be banished forever and suffering will be a thing of the past . Thats what a lot of people beleive out  there,and i do as well. As for deluded raindrops ,it must be poaring of rain out there in the world.Love and god bless juditha

 

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 12:16pm:

Could a devil really make war on God? That would be like a rain drop trying to make war with an ocean. Talk about a deluded rain drop.

Albert,

       Thanks for the laugh & light. I see myself in that raindrop; I've been like that at times...  a deluded raindrop.

              Thanks man,

                          Tim F.

Juditha:

Isn't it possible that people are responsible for their own negativity? Just look at this board and the varied belief systems. You see all kinds of opinions. This shows that people can be psychologically conditioned in many different ways. Perhaps some people get psychologically conditioned in a manner that causes them to view things negatively and to do negative things.

A negative way of being is possible for all of us. Part of the challenge of being here is overcoming the negative/egotistical part of ourselves, and instead living according to our deeper inner selves. This is more a matter of where our heart is, than what we believe in.

If satan actually is the cause of the negativity that some people live according to, then why are some people influenced by him while others aren't? It is logical to suggest that if people are going to be influenced by such a critter, then they have to have some badness in them to begin with, which does away with the need of using satan as a scapegoat/explanation as to why people do negative things.

If satan exists, why doesn't God just stop him right now, rather than allowing him to effect millions of his children in a negative way that leads to them spending all of eternity in hell. To believe that God would allow something such as satan to influence his children in such a way, is to underestimate God's love for us by a long shot.

It isn't simply a matter of believing in Jesus in a particular way, because there are lots of wonderful hearted, loving people who don't believe in Jesus in a particular way and who aren't influenced by some supposed negative outside cause.

What warms your heart more? To believe in the dispensationalist viewpoint and expect that Jesus is going to some day gather all of the people who believe in a "particular way" and leave everybody else behind so they can fight it out for a while until they eventually go to hell for all of eternity, or that in the end God has planned his creation so that eventually just about all of his children find true happiness in his kingdom?

The article I posted at the beggining of this thread gives a very rational explanation for what Revelations means. There are Christians who have interpreted revelations in this way for years. Do you really believe the World was waiting for somebody like Hal Lindsey to come along?    

My bet is that if you were an angel in heaven, you wouldn't let somebody like satan stear you away from God? Perhaps God's angels have the same love and goodness within them that exists within you, and therefore should be given much more credit than they are sometimes given.


wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 3:22pm:

Hi Recoverer There are a lot of people out there that associate 666 as the devils number and the devil started off as a good angel but he tryed to turn angels against god,and god got to know this ,so he threw satan down to earth with his fallen angels and god gave him a thousand years to do what he does and when the thousand years is up,satan will try to rise against god with his armies of evil followers and god will throw him into the abyss with all his followers and satan will be locked up for all eternity. And then there will be a new earth and all the evil will be banished forever and suffering will be a thing of the past . Thats what a lot of people beleive out  there,and i do as well. As for deluded raindrops ,it must be poaring of rain out there in the world.Love and god bless juditha

Your welcome Tim.

Yeah, I'm deluded in some ways too, but I blame myself, not some outside agency.



wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 3:32pm:

Albert,        Thanks for the laugh & light. I see myself in that raindrop; I've been like that at times...  a deluded raindrop.               Thanks man,                           Tim F.

You're welcome deanna:

If one's mind has been conditioned to believe that 666 or someting else is scarry, then they are liable to have a fearful response when exposed to it.  I bet you 666 doesn't scare God, Jesus or John (the author of revelations). Why be scarred by somebody else's misinterpretation?


wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 3:21pm:

Hi recoverer thanks  for writing to me and explaining ,i have read the revelations ,thats why i thought it was satans number i dont like the number it frightens me love deanna

Hi Recoverer I suppose i myself am deluded sometimes ,i think everyone is at some stage in their life,i suppose its seems easier for me to blame the devil for all the pain and suffering in this world as so many more people do , its just i always personally beleived that this is hell where the devil causes suffering and dying ,and that when we die god takes our spirit into his beautiful loving kingdom where only love exists. I always beleive that love conquers evil and i suppose its the only explanation in my heart for the reason that evil exists because of the devil.Ithink that everyone trys to find a reason for evil that exists.Its hard to understand where evil does come from .Love and god bless juditha

Juditha:

I agree with you on the important part. When you die you'll go to heaven where only love exits. ;D




wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 5:43pm:

Hi Recoverer I suppose i myself am deluded sometimes ,i think everyone is at some stage in their life,i suppose its seems easier for me to blame the devil for all the pain and suffering in this world as so many more people do , its just i always personally beleived that this is hell where the devil causes suffering and dying ,and that when we die god takes our spirit into his beautiful loving kingdom where only love exists. I always beleive that love conquers evil and i suppose its the only explanation in my heart for the reason that evil exists because of the devil.Ithink that everyone trys to find a reason for evil that exists.Its hard to understand where evil does come from .Love and god bless juditha

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 5:19pm:

If satan exists, why doesn't God just stop him right now, rather than allowing him to effect millions of his children in a negative way that leads to them spending all of eternity in hell. To believe that God would allow something such as satan to influence his children in such a way, is to underestimate God's love for us by a long shot. It isn't simply a matter of believing in Jesus in a particular way, because there are lots of wonderful hearted, loving people who don't believe in Jesus in a particular way and who aren't influenced by some supposed negative outside cause. What warms your heart more? To believe in the dispensationalist viewpoint and expect that Jesus is going to some day gather all of the people who believe in a "particular way" and leave everybody else behind so they can fight it out for a while until they eventually go to hell for all of eternity, or that in the end God has planned his creation so that eventually just about all of his children find true happiness in his kingdom? The article I posted at the beggining of this thread gives a very rational explanation for what Revelations means. There are Christians who have interpreted revelations in this way for years. Do you really believe the World was waiting for somebody like Hal Lindsey to come along?     My bet is that if you were an angel in heaven, you wouldn't let somebody like satan stear you away from God? Perhaps God's angels have the same love and goodness within them that exists within you, and therefore should be given much more credit than they are sometimes given.

it is impossible to understand "satan" before understanding "god". you have to first identify god so that it perhaps it would make sense when talkin about satan.

i believe there are some beings that mistake themselves as god. :) lets think about all those channelled entities and what might some really be..

have we thought? ok..lets stop thinking now and keep on just talking.

it is possible some in beings mind there really was a satan. and so what is a mind?

it is also possible in some other "worlds" there are things that if we met we would identify as "satan".. just by the look of it.


now, lets go back to "identify god before satan" ideal and try to do this for a couple of billion years.

Ready?

i dont know with which god jesus was speaking if satan is a fallen angel in its mind..but i feel jesus was a special human...just as mohammed and just as millons of others that we havent heard of..and all i know if he was ever shown satan suffer..that must have definitely hurt him more.

in 06.06.06 there was a stiff feelin in the air. "an earthquake is coming?" feeling it was..i think huge amount of people really gave that day a credit.

wrote on Jun 7^th, 2006 at 2:36pm:

I don't have all the fancy book learnin' like everyone else, but isn't the devil, or Satan as he likes to be called, a fallen angel? I might be mistaken on that. Anyways fallen angel or not I've always considered them to be the opposite ends of the light/dark spectrum, where god represents 'good' the devil represents 'evil'

:) there is no need for fancy book learning. just imagine yourself as the god (the one, the creator, the omnipotent, the everlasting)..imagine it for a couple of days..and then imagine you created "satan" ...and see how it feels.  :)

The below is a good approach. If you were God would you create satan, or an angel who is so blind of who you are and what you offer, that it decides to fall? Certainly there are better ways of giving souls a play of opposites, for growth purposes. For example, give each soul an ego essence to deal with for a while.

If you believe in polytheism that might be a good explanation for satan.


wrote on Jun 8^th, 2006 at 3:20am:

:) there is no need for fancy book learning. just imagine yourself as the god (the one, the creator, the omnipotent, the everlasting)..imagine it for a couple of days..and then imagine you created "satan" ...and see how it feels.  :)

wrote on Jun 8^th, 2006 at 11:35am:

The below is a good approach. If you were God would you create satan, or an angel who is so blind of who you are and what you offer, that it decides to fall? Certainly there are better ways of giving souls a play of opposites, for growth purposes. For example, give each soul an ego essence to deal with for a while. If you believe in polytheism that might be a good explanation for satan.

Actually I'd argue that yes it is possible god might have created satan, after all i'm sure God is a humble fella and would never argue he is perfect and thus can make mistakes.

Thats assuming your belief system relies on God as the 'creator' figure, if you prefer to believe that  material existance is a creation of the universal concious or intelligence then you could argue that 'God' and the 'Devil were created by ourselves to a) fulfill the religion role for those who require it and b) to create this black to white scale of Good to Evil that we use to judge our own actions.

wrote on Jun 8^th, 2006 at 11:35am:

If you were God would you create satan, or an angel who is so blind of who you are and what you offer, that it decides to fall? Certainly there are better ways of giving souls a play of opposites, for growth purposes. For example, give each soul an ego essence to deal with for a while.

is it really the way you and only you would phrase this question inside of you? try to leave aside for a a moment what you have been thought about god..and its way or measurin the value of man. just think and imagine you created the night and the stars..you created the tiger and the deer you created the air..and then once again think you created the "satan". what is this "satan" from your point of view now?

wrote on Jun 8^th, 2006 at 7:21pm:

Actually I'd argue that yes it is possible god might have created satan, after all i'm sure God is a humble fella and would never argue he is perfect and thus can make mistakes.

:) perhaps he wouldnt claim he is perfect..:) but even with the slightest of mistakes it would be impossible to "maintain" this universe for even a second physically. even if he might not claim to be perfect it seems he works perfect.

Just because things such as computer technology has limitations, this doesn't mean that the mind of God has limitations.

If you have a mind that isn't limited, then you aren't likely to make mistakes.  

Going by my connection to my guidance, they don't miss anything and don't seem to be limited. So I doubt the mind of God is limited.

Mistakes are something that minds with limited perspectives make.





wrote on Jun 9^th, 2006 at 3:51am:

:) perhaps he wouldnt claim he is perfect..:) but even with the slightest of mistakes it would be impossible to "maintain" this universe for even a second physically. even if he might not claim to be perfect it seems he works perfect.

Recoverer,

The issue of mistakes and limitations opens a whole new can of worms.  I recall a conversation with Kyo once on the board.  I posited a question, what if a psychic give 20 people the same reading on a day (a "fake reading).  If a woman then goes, gets this generic reading and comes away saying it was bang on for her, was that real guidance?

Kyo, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you answered in the affirmative.  In other words, for this discussion, the notion of "mistakes," may be in the eye of the beholder.  If you don't believe in absolute truth, absolute right or wrong, then you may not believe in mistakes.  The errors allow correction and help you evolve - in that school of thought.  

So, I it depends on your point of view.

Matthew

augoeideian:

I didn't write that 666 refers to Jesus Christ. I wrote that it refers to Nero Caesar who gave Christians a real bad time back then.



wrote on Jun 8^th, 2006 at 11:32am:

Hi, as i replied to Diane on Spitfires site : 666 (indeed on the 6/6/06, well spotted) Recoverer; nice posts.  My understanding is- This number is very arcane and it is not the number of the devil. It is the number of the Prince of Light and Darkness.  Jesus Christ. I would like to post the writings i have on this number soon seeing that it has brought it up. And have a look at the sites Recoverer posted. The literature i have is intense and needs summarising for posting. (i dont mean to be vague in saying the above and just leaving it - im just swapped with work at the moment and in between i am concentrating purely on my Two Children topic's further posting) However; nice topic Diane, a important subject.

I believe God's creations are free to make mistakes, part of the process, often we learn through them. I wouldn't blame our mistakes on God though. It would be hard to explore the creative process and for us to develop an individual souls, if mistakes weren't allowed.

The accidental creation of satan would be more than a little mistake.


wrote on Jun 9^th, 2006 at 1:46pm:

Recoverer, The issue of mistakes and limitations opens a whole new can of worms.  I recall a conversation with Kyo once on the board.  I posited a question, what if a psychic give 20 people the same reading on a day (a "fake reading).  If a woman then goes, gets this generic reading and comes away saying it was bang on for her, was that real guidance? Kyo, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you answered in the affirmative.  In other words, for this discussion, the notion of "mistakes," may be in the eye of the beholder.  If you don't believe in absolute truth, absolute right or wrong, then you may not believe in mistakes.  The errors allow correction and help you evolve - in that school of thought.   So, I it depends on your point of view. Matthew