Hello guys, unfortunately we are faced witht eh challenge of believing in something that some of us are not sure exists. I think that some people believe in God and Afterlife as a security blanket. Also unfortunately I am a very logical thinker. When I think of NDEs or OBEs I fail to grasp them as moving into the spiritual realm. I dislike the fact that I do this, for some reason I believe that time is all a perception and can be viewed differently by different people at different times. For example you are at work, time goes by slow :) You are on vacation, time goes by fast :) Now the hopefully false belief I have is that when you experience an OBE or NDE your mind is basically creating an illusion based on what you have learned in life. The mind might percieve you being the for 2 hours, but in all actuallity it only occured in the milliseconds before you die. I sadly say I am agnostic, this really doesn't leave me with a good outlook on life after death. I just hope that someone can inform me of my mis thinkings and guide me in a more....pleaseant direction. It is funny, I wish I would believe in God, but for some reason I can't.

Another question that I seek guidance in is how may I attain an experience or piece of knowledge that will help me come to believe in God. I am extrememly frightened at this point in time.

Someone, please help me I really have had no 'spiritual' guidance and wish for some. I also would like to thank anyone willing to spend their time talking to a simple agnostic teenager.

Thanks tons,
Joe

Hello Joe, I appologise that I cannot bring you the answers that you seek. But this is because like you, I came here looking for a belief system. I really want to believe, but I feel bound by something.

I hope we can come to learn together.

-Sven

Don't you find a disgusting feeling deep down in your mind that there isn't anything after life? Honestly people who believe blindly have it better in a way than we do. I mean if someone believes it blindly, then they really aren't believing they are just trusting, and for that i am grateful that I must actually form my own beliefs. I am just insanely scared that I won't find what I am looking for. When someone more knowledgable posts on the topic (no offense at all sven) what do you believe happens to people who stay agnostic their entire life, if there is an afterlife they must go somewhere too right? Also I was wondering about people who believe in reincarnation, I think that reincarnation is a very scary thought if you can't remember your past lives after you are dead because I really like the experiences I have had in this life, and I really would feel horrible if I had to forget them.

Thanks a lot and for the benefit of our quality of life I hope we do find some answer sven.

Hi Joe-

There are three separate traditional paths to enlightenment, the three basic yogas. These are bhakta yoga, where union with the transcendental world is sought through love; karma yoga, where union with the transcendental world is sought through action; and jnana yoga, where the path to the transcendental  is sought through understanding and awareness. Often these are lumped together into "raja yoga", as well as associated with specific types of practices such as kundalni yoga or tantra.

Yoga (from Sanskrit root YUG - meaning to unite or join) is simply a way of mastering your abilities. It is not religious. The core of all yoga is the ability to meditate.  Meditation is a state in which interference is allowed to die out, while the mind is pointed at a "target", whcih initially is a physial object, and later is abstract. By meditation you gain the ability to tun off the internal "self-talk" and create inner silence. ("The sound of silence" so called.) That allows much deeper concentration and focus of the mind.

Yoga suggests that there are three useful (and three negative) states of living. These can be seen in the familiar picture of the Mandala of the Wheel of Life. The three states are related to the three yogas. One part is to recognize and practice unity (bhakta) so that you can relate to the world as a single system. (The opposite is hatred and rejection, criticism, false pride.)  To act joyfully is desirable, because the action is valuable, a way of making thr trip through life happier, and not in hopes of some distant reward. (Life is not an end to be gained, but a trip that passes through several stages. Trading the quality of the trip for some hoped for reward is a false economy.) To be clearminded and aware means that we stop making excuses, that we are logical, truthful and rational. (The opposite is delusions of all types, lies, deception, impulsivity and useless fads and distorted values.)

I suggest that you take up yoga as a general approach to self development. The late Swami Sivananda pointed out that his sincere students went from nescience to enlightenment in six months, more or less. So can you. That will make life easier. Than, so long as you continue in the same manner, and don't get in your own way, you will steadily develop insight.  This is insight into the way things actually are, and not the way people tell you.  Don't believe anything until you can test it for yourself. Blind faith is blind.

You might be interested in some of the classics of the field. For very basic yoga that would be the Upanishads, Hatha Yoga Pradipika and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. (The West has much less to offer than Eastern traditions.) Another thing that I'd suggest is that you read Bruce's books on soul retrieval, and then as your meditative skills improve, see if this works for you.  Or get involved with anything else that tweaks you. My only specific suggestion is to make certain that whatever you do will have a useful benefit to the rest of the world, and harm nobody. Then it will be safe.

You're just starting out on a wonderful path. Keep on!
Enjoy!
dave

~what do you believe happens to people who stay agnostic their entire life, if there is an afterlife they must go somewhere too right?~

Agnostic, Athiest, Christian or Satanist, doesn't matter, there's the same afterlife for all of us.  What you do in this life doesn't change your afterlife local as much as your state of mind when you die.  

You might be thinking; If there's one afterlife, how can it be different for different people?  Same way this... current life is.  Say you wake up in one of the starving countries in africa, who are only allowed 2 gallons of water a week, that's brought in by a truck.  These peoples life sucks.  Now, imagine waking up in a fancy Hotel with room service at your fingertips, cable TV, and a beach view out your window.

I can't really help you though, as I'm a complete noob as well.  I'm just repeating what I've heard.

And you repeated it very well too. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

Hey joe, I truly feel for you because I think that we have all been there with regards to questioning one's belief system... It's not fun, but it is part of our growth as souls venturing into the unknowns of itself as a whole/as God. Like Bruce said, belief system crashes can lead to an identity crisis because we as humans identify ourselves by our strongly held beliefs... So, it can be painful at times. I would highly recommend doing exactly what you're doing and keep researching different areas of the afterlife that pique your curiosity. After all, we are "all" probes of curiosity sent out via the Source/God to do just that... be curious. So, with regards to that, you are on the right track. Just stick with it. The journey can take literally a life time. Be patient. As long as you hang on to your curiosity, it will eventually lead you to the ultimate truth; that which resonates with you. Remember, confusion is the way to enlightenment. Strange, but true. Hold on to that which resonates/rings true to you, and you should be just fine. Also, always allow your belief system room to grow. Be open minded, and expect anything with regards to the reality that you find yourself in. After all you are "here" aren't you? -- Standing on a ball, floating out in the middle of space, revolving around the sun... makes one wonder, doesn't it...? It truly is a *magical* place if you allow yourself to see past all of the negative things in life. That's where a lot of the stumbling blocks come from with regards to one's belief system. However, don't let the negative overwhelm the positive. And don't let other people's thoughts/beliefs carry your own... Believe in things based on your own personal experience and feelings of resonation, and incorporate all of these notions into your "always evolving" belief system. It's a long journey... but, it's well worth it. We are forever molding ourselves into that which we wish to be... We are co-creators designing the best realities possible, so that we may constantly grow and thoroughly enjoy "all that is". So, have fun, smell the roses, go to the beach every now and again, spend some time with a loved one/friend; in  doing such simple activities one is discovering oneself and growing towards the infinite possibilities of what uconditional love truly is/means.  God is all of this... You are all of this... ;)

Also, with regards to your/our lifetime journey of gaining spiritual understanding/enlightenment, here are a few references that I have found useful towards spiritual growth/understanding:

(Reprint from previous thread):  

You may find it useful to do some independent research regarding texts/websites/forums (such as this), regarding afterlife experiences/explorations. Then, as Bruce has put it... filter through the information and integrate into your own belief system that which resonates with you (feels right)... Also, as Bruce has put, nobody can force beliefs onto you or anyone else... you must experience things for yourself in order to fully understand/integrate them into your own belief system. Hence, Bruce has lovingly paved a road for those willing to take the journey by explaining to them ways in which they themselves can explore the afterlife/astral planes, and gather information for themselves... I do highly suggest you do some immense independent research regarding this often times, complex and sometimes difficult topic regarding the afterlife. Here's some study material that I've found personally useful regarding my own research:  

1.) Bruce Moen's collection of "Afterlife Journey" books/tapes/workshops...

2.) Robert Monroe's books regarding the afterlife...

3.) "Any" independent "authentic" books regarding the afterlife...

4.) Websites that pertain to the questions you pose, including, but not limited to: "www.nderf.org"... "www.near-death.com" ... "www.astralpulse.com", & all of the sites that Kyo has so kindly posted regarding the information you so desperately seek (located under the "personalities" topic in this discussion forum)...

5.) And "much" "much" more...

(What better way to find out information about the afterlife, than from those who have been there)... and remember, hold beliefs in that which resonates with you, and you alone! ;)

Have fun, and enjoy a little life along the way!  
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Hi also, joe und sven und jen,
People here are very caring and helpful, you see, but I'm not sure our faith is 'blind.'  From what I've read many of us have won our beliefs thru experiences that could include extreme difficulty all the way to the heights of joy.
You're fortunate to be starting this quest while you are young, Joe. You have more time to find your way. Up until now school has been filling your logical mind, and now you are hungry for other types of knowledge!?  You are way ahead of most!
You're welcome to ask as many questions as you wish. Different people word their answers different ways but we all agree to share our spiritual quests with each other.

We all have Belief Systems,  all of us,  that’s why we’re here.

My guess is that, at the very least, you believe that:

1.You are alive
2.You are here (on Earth)

You probably believe several other things as well.  That (for starters) is your Belief System.  All Belief Systems are equally valid.  The challenge is to determine if your Belief System is taking you where you want to go; and if not, to change it.

This is one of the reasons for this life.

At least that’s my opinion.

Hey thank all for their replies I am extremely appreciative that someone is guiding me through the self-fufilling process that I am going through. I am planning on being something in the medical field, I am already on my way there with starting college next year at a fairly prestegious college while majoring in Biochemistry. I think helping people would be very fufilling and would be very powerful in influencing my self-confidence.

The problem that I am having though is everyone is telling me not to pursue something such as afterlife knowledge because I am much too young to be thinking about it, quite frankly I disagree with them because we all must die and tomorrow it might be me. But i do realize that it is depressing to think about when you are in a situation like me, but the small amounts of enlightenment taste that much better.

Once again I would like to say thank you very much for the information, I think that I am going to become a regular poster on this site because it is very intriguing, it is disgusting though that i must hide it from my friends because they will, in a way, ridicule me for it.

Now adressed directly to Cosmic and Dave, I would like more information on these topics about the books and meditation. I find meditation especially interesting because for some reason I can't imagine  having total silence in your mind. Dave would you be so kind in recommending a course or book that i might read to learn how to meditate. I apologize if something has already been mentioned I am kind of out of it today and the past 3 days because I have some type of illness, should clear up soon. I appreciate all of the knowledge you have shared with me guys, especially Cosmic and Dave, I believe all of your knowledge is of an infinite amount (maybe not infinite :) ) that is very beneficial to something like me.


So Thank You SOOOOO much,
Joe

~what do you believe happens to people who stay agnostic their entire life, if there is an afterlife they must go somewhere too right?~


I've always been a bit bemused when this question comes up, since it has absolutely nothing to do with believing in an afterlife.  You could be an iron-clad, 100% atheist and still completely believe in an afterlife, it's not an either/or issue.  And yet every time in RL I mention not being the standard (around here) denomination, forget just "believe in a god", I get asked don't I think we go to heaven (or where ever) after death.  Huh?

Hi joejoe2288, you wrote:
>>>everyone is telling me not to pursue something such as afterlife knowledge because I am much too young to be thinking about it<<<
I feel some sympathy for agnostics but one thing I know for certain: The above, that you're too young for such things, is silly. Reading about the afterlife is about life, not about death. It's always the right time to read about the issues which are important to you.

Spooky

Hi Joe Joe,

I can hear in your voice here that you know you are on the right path.  Meditation is easy.  You can take a very simple object such as a candle or a beautiful piece of inspirational art or a picture of a natural area and simply focus on it for a period of time.  That is meditation. It is very simple.  

You can also purchase meditational aids such as cds of many different kinds.  You can join a group which does meditation together and enjoy the powerful group energy there.  There are so many ways.  

The silence you are trying to imagine always exists in the core of your being and you are simply becoming interested in accessing this knowledge which you already possess.  

This will give you strength in your chosen field and you intuitively know that you desire and need this connection with your greater Self.  Congratulations and best wishes on your search.  The journey is an amazing and quite wonderful one.

When you begin to look for signs of the afterlife you will find them.  Where you look for peace, for love, you will find them.  All life is a reflection of your inner state of being.  It appears that the afterlife will be this way when we cross over.  How very lucky you are to recognize what a great and vast path you are on.

love, blink

sorry posted 2 that were the same cause i screwed up

Hey joe

Im 18 too and I  recently realized i was gonna die and all that stuff you kno i was frightened. I kno how you feel about believing god cause i would think i do believe in him but is he really something that im believing him for u kno. well hun dont worry we are all going 2 go though death sooner or later and will just have 2 accept it and what ever happens in the afterlife  it will be ok. are soul lives on so dont worry hunni

Ashley

Hi Joe-

Blink is right on target! This may seem to be a stretch if you haven't any experience at all, so I suggested a few classics that have been around for hundreds (or thousands) of years, that an give you insights from a thinking level. However, in meditation, the rational thinking activity shuts down and the residual thoughts processes are all affective - emotionl. These thoughts are more or less on the basis of  identification of concepts by looking at (or feeling) their properties.

To get the basic idea of how this works, without going through years of experimentation, you might try this simple hatha yoga (physical culture) technique. I discovered this when I noticed that while lifting a heavy weight, I was so focussed on the effort (Uuuggghhh!) that my mind had fallen silent. This is a more traditional way to get there.

Sit on the floor with your legs outstretched straight in front. Bend gently forward, reaching as if to grasp your toes with your hands. Let gravity do all the work, don't force anything (or you'll feel it later! like any exercize).  Now inhale as deeply as feels comfortable, hold the breath a moment, and then let it all out. (I usually breathe in a rythmic pattern, but we'll get to that in a few minutes.)

OK - now you are sitting, leaning and breathing.  Focus on the muscles that seem to be the most tense. If you're like me, that's going to be both in your back and in your legs. Continue to breathe - breathing is generally good policy, I'm told -   but as you inhale, pull the breath "through" the tight muscles.  As you exhale, allow the tension of the musles to evaporate and relax away. The result is that your head and shoulders are now an inch or two closer to your toes.

Practice this for a few breaths and notice that each breah allows you to relax away tension, and to replace it with relaxation.  That's actually pretty easy. So now, focus your entire attention on the muscles that are being relaxed, so that your mind begins to fill with the sensation of the in-breath, moving it through the muscles, continue your focus on the sensation of relaxation as you focus on the out-breath. The inner sensation is very much like doing any task that requires total concentration, so allow the mind to concentrate.

However -  don't confuse focus of the mind with any kind of tension.  If you wanted to recite the alphabet it would require mental focus, but no kind of physical tension.

Continue with the breathing and relaxation, bringing your mind to bear on the process, but allowing everything else to relax. As you continue to bend and relax lower and lower you'll notice that your mind is far too busy keeping track of pulling the breath through the muscles to entertain any thoughts. Instead, you'll sense that the in-breath feels as if you are composing a statement, and the out-breath feels as if this is the statement you composed. Breathing takes over the functions of the mind, and you have a few moments silence as you focus on the muscles and breath. Those moments of silence are the "sound of silence" meditators talk about.

Next, use a simple counting method as you breathe. Either listen to the sound of your pulse in your ears, or feel the beating of your heart, or if necessary, use one hand to take the pulse of the other wrist. Breathe in the same manner, relaxing away tension. However, breathe in for 4 counts (4 pulse beats), hold for 16 beats, exhale for 8 beats, and then repeat. This gives the mnd something extra to focus on. Allow yourself to become totally absorbed in this process. As you do, you'll notice that your mind is doing nothing but counting, and then even that stops as you shift into a deeper level and sort of "sense" the number of pulse beats. Otherwise, you'll find that inside your mind it is silent.

Once you get the idea, notice that all you need is focus and the mind will shut up. (This is easier said than done, but it is definitely possble with only an hour's effort.) The key is focus of the mind so that instead of munching inner thoughts, the mind focusses on what you're doing and shuts up. It is almost as if the breathing technique is a lecture with the breathing replacing words.

Now try Blinks candle (this technique is called "trataka"  accent on second syllable). If the mind is acting up, use the counting method to occupy it, and let everything else fade away.  With two or three days practice you'll be able to focus and create long periods of inner silence.  That's the essence of meditation

Anther useful practce is to take any common object, such as a pencl and as you look at it, trace each part back to its origins. Do this by "seeing how it came to be" in your inner insight, not be "thinking about it". The wood is obviously a natural product that once was a tree. You can even trace the graphite back to the core of a star that went supernova, generating lots of carbon. This type of non-verbal mental activity uses the lower levels of the mental faculty.

When you are able to keep focussed on task, then once in a while (I do this often at night), just close your eyes and look into your inner spaces. Wave a hand back and forth and notice that you can see it moving, even though your eyes are closed. Look at the space in which the image of the hand is moving. If you move your head, that space also moves. Get a sheet of paper and descfrbe what you see. Check to see if that is correct, or if there is more. Notice that there is a difference if you rotate your head, whether nodding up and down, or turing right and left.  That is different from what you experience when you displace your head sideways, but keping the same direction of focus n your inner space.

Now you're ready to do soul retrievals if you want.  Read some of Bruce' s books to get the idea, and then go inside, find someone needing help, and lend a psychic hand. If you want more similar stuff, I have a little more at my web site.

One thought to keep in mind is that the path to enlightenment is different for each of us. Therefor, it doesn't help to try to talk about it or "explain" your experiences.  Just do it, and keep doing it. There is no real goal. Enlightenment is a process, not a result. So just enjoy!

dave

That was a very deep post dave, and I assure you I will try these types of meditation, probably the one that involves streching first because I think that type will be more beneficial while searching for silence when dealing with my personality.

I thank all for their help and I hope this post continues to grow because it is proving to be very helpful. Does anyone else have suggestions about meditation? Thanks a bunch by the way dave, yet again you stun me while putting the undescribable into written words.

By the way, which of Bruce's books do you reccommend for a beginner like me dave?

Thanks to all!
Joe

I just wanted to say how happy I am that so many young people are here and are questioning the afterlife/beliefs, etc. It's great to start young.

Love, Mairlyn

Far as I can tell, Joe, Bruce writes more or less for fun and enjoyment, so buy whatever looks interesting. His "home study course" (book 5) should be after you're familiar with him.  Personally, I just enjoyed reading what he wrote.
d

Now Dave are you saying that he can't actually communicate with spirits? I am confused I thought he was able to do that. Well i will look inot buying that book but right now their store is closed.

Joe-- a good place to start the meditations is by purchasing Bob Monroes 1st CD's : The Gateway Experience Wave 1.  (www.hemi-sync.com). There are many was to meidtate. Transendental Meditaton is easy--simply choose a mantra and keep saying it to youself. This will put you into a meditative state.  If you are good at stairing: get a picuture or object (like a lamp) and just keep stairing at it. As you are stairing try to imagine youself as a part of that object.  Bring youself in.
that's just the beginning.

Don't you find a disgusting feeling deep down in your mind that there isn't anything after life?
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-I wish I could honestly believe that. But I strongly suspect there IS something after life, I believe that at my core, regardless of what "science" has to say. *Not* because I WANT to.  I'd prefer that there WASN'T an afterlife, truth be told. Different strokes for different folks, eh?

I am just insanely scared that I won't find what I am looking for.
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-Are you sure you actually KNOW what your looking for..?
And if so, are you sure you want to find it?
FOREVER is a long, long time my friend. Maybe it
is better if life REALLY IS finite...

Just my $0.02,

B-man

Hey Chumley, in my opinion, when considering the prospects of an afterlife and the surrounding infinite existence of all... I believe that our thoughts/notions of the quality of afterlife planes/physical planes is highly skewed by our current conscientious/dualized embodiment. The realized "ultimate" reality which is by its very nature the undergarment of all that is, is something which is undefinable/indescribable by human standards. I wouldn't neccessarily put off your interest in existing within the infinite based on your experiences thus far in the physical. Remember that this physical existence is not the only form of life, ad infinitum. I'm sure that you have yet to fully experience just exactly what living as a conscientious being truly entails with regards to the overall plan for us all. I can't say that I would even consider teasing the idea that you, or anyone else for that matter, would refuse the prospects of life, when exposed to some of the things that you and everyone else will be exposed to as our lives unfold into the vastness of pure unconditional love. We are just learning to walk as spiritual beings... Once our seeds crack open and we grow through the cracks in the concrete, we will realize that there was a beautiful world of light/warmth/love waiting for us all along... ;)

You may call this wishful thinking... but, just wait and see.

I would say that you may be surprised. But that would be be highly inappropriate/inadequate; --- I  know that you will be surprised. ---


PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Hey Chumley, in my opinion, when considering the prospects of an afterlife and the surrounding infinite existence of all... I believe that our thoughts/notions of the quality of afterlife planes/physical planes is highly skewed by our current conscientious/dualized embodiment. The realized "ultimate" reality which is by its very nature the undergarment of all that is, is something which is undefinable/indescribable by human standards. I wouldn't neccessarily put off your interest in existing within the infinite based on your experiences thus far in the physical. Remember that this physical existence is not the only form of life, ad infinitum. I'm sure that you have yet to fully experience just exactly what living as a conscientious being truly entails with regards to the overall plan for us all. I can't say that I would even consider teasing the idea that you, or anyone else for that matter, would refuse the prospects of life, when exposed to some of the things that you and everyone else will be exposed to as our lives unfold into the vastness of pure unconditional love. We are just learning to walk as spiritual beings... Once our seeds crack open and we grow through the cracks in the concrete, we will realize that there was a beautiful world of light/warmth/love waiting for us all along... ;)

You may call this wishful thinking... but, just wait and see.

I would say that you may be surprised. But that would be be highly inappropriate/inadequate; --- I  know that you will be surprised. ---


PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions
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As you like, C.A. -
But I've got my mind MADE UP on this subject.
The ONLY post-mortem existence I will accept is
cryonic preservation/reanimation. (I am currently
researching the subject.)
Everything I love, is right here in C1. All those things
which I HATE are here also... but the things I HATE are made up for by the existence of things I LOVE. So there is at least a BALANCE in C1 - ya dig?
But in the "afterlife", from all the research I've done on it, ALL the things I live for will be GONE (i.e. booze, music with a BEAT, good chow, hot women, anything else that I'd actually LIKE. Unless of course I end up in a "hell", in which my desires for such things would be continually THWARTED. Blow that noise...)
And all that will remain, is things I HATE - like
WORK. Or how about harp music (*retch*)... Organ music (*dry heave*)... Oh, and... CHURCH (*Ugh! Bleccch!! Gag a f*****g MAGGOT*)
I've darkened the door of a church exactly THREE TIMES in the last 20 years, and two of those were to attend funerals and look at embalmed corpses shoehorned into boxes. (Here's hoping for as FEW such future events as possible..!)
So, I'm going for OBLIVION after I die (unless I can actually become physically immortal - the biggest long-shot of all time!) So I guess it's oblivion I'd best shoot for. I wonder how one would go about obliterating one's own soul..?

'Nuff rambling for now,

B-man
P.S. You mentioned that physical life may not be the
only form of existence...
And you may well be right.
But I am ABSOLUTELY convinced that a healthy, youthful, well-advantaged physical life is the
ABSOLUTE BEST form of existence (preferably - MUCH preferably - as
a MALE of the species.) I cannot for the life of
me imagine how being a gender-neutral "ghost"
could be better. How could anybody? That's what
blows my mind...

Gender neutrality in the afterlife?  In my little "forays" with meditation and in dreams it seems that All things are possible, B.

Including the "belief" that you are actually in an "Earth-like" environment with "earth-like" abilities, now or later.  Time plays tricks on us.

What if the things you enjoy on earth were actually "enhanced" by your abilities in your own "version" of a heaven? And what if you could remain "youthful" forever there?  

I see you as a person who appears to have what you consider some "addictions" but you are actively questioning and exploring new ways to understand, experience and learn about them.  Isn't that what life is?

When we are babies our mother's milk tastes very very good and we can't imagine anything better and there Is Nothing better for us.  Mother's milk and a mother's touch and everyone around us admiring and fondling us.  Up on our father's shoulders we might begin to see the world from a new perspective.

All of life is a process and we cannot stay the same no matter how comfortable it is.  How enjoyable it might be to remain a baby in our mother's arms and be comforted there.  How exciting it might be to remain on our father's shoulders and see how far our sight can reach.

I think that the "afterlife" simply expands our awareness into new possiblities.  There are helpers everywhere around us.

It seems that we even make regular visitations "there" when we are "unaware" as we "blink" in and out of different realities.  Our desires lead us into new experiences and we learn from them, here, there, everywhere...

love, blink

Hello again, blink...
Couple of comments for you...

What if the things you enjoy on earth were actually "enhanced" by your abilities in your own "version" of a heaven? And what if you could remain "youthful" forever there?  
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-Considering that the afterlife is CELIBATE, I might as well be eternally 93 years old... right? What's the point of youth, power, and beauty if you are in an environment where such things have no use..?

When we are babies our mother's milk tastes very very good and we can't imagine anything better and there Is Nothing better for us.  Mother's milk and a mother's touch and everyone around us admiring and fondling us.  Up on our father's shoulders we might begin to see the world from a new perspective.
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-I prefer the freedom and independence of adulthood. I hated childhood the first time around,
so why would I want to go back to it???

B-man

Chum,

Many sources speak of sex in the afterlife.  Food is not the same, but created.  Our thoughts translate into reality.  Why would you imagine we were all celibate or playing harps?


M

why is it so important to buy the book when you understand how things are like were just gonna die n what ever happens happens lol im still scared of dieing but in my mind i think its just we live for so long and then when its time 2 go its a relief to be gone so i dunno. everyones talking about a book lol why get a book when we kno we gonna die. i dunno lol i wouldnt buy the book lol. ive faced it im gonna die n shit but another thing how does anyone kno about the afterlife and if were gonna see our loved ones if noones been that far into death and came back u kno. well i dunno nemore but i just hope what u guys say is true. another question how do we kno that the book hes selling isnt bullshit like cause hes never experienced the afterlife n came back lol i kno ppl say they seen the light but what if u see the light u walk in it and then ur crappity smackin done thats it?  has anyone thought of that?  im just saying i aint trying 2 be rude or nething ok i just wanna kno well gotta go bye byes

Shorty

Chumley said quote:
I might as well be eternally 93 years old... right? What's the point of youth, power, and beauty if you are in an environment where such things have no use..?



The point of youth, power and beauty is that it is eternally present and we have ultimate freedom in how to use it, here and in alternate realities.

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quote:  I prefer the freedom and independence of adulthood.


Exactly right, my friend.

love, blink

Hi Shorty,

quote:  but what if u see the light u walk in it and then ur f**kin done thats it?


Don't worry, Shorty.  The light won't be done with you until you totally and completely understand it.  It's in you and around you and knows exactly what you need.

love, blink